ChiTrib's Zuckman: Obama Success Story Just as Impressive as McCain POW Story

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Tamron Hall with Jill Zuckman and Kevin Merida, MSNBC News Live | NewsBusters.orgDuring the noon hour of the July 8 "MSNBC News Live," host Tamron Hall discussed McCain's new TV ad with Chicago Tribune's Jill Zuckman and Washington Post’s Kevin Merida. The ad focused on McCain's time as a POW as demonstrative of his love of country and Hall questioned how Obama could compete with such a story.

Zuckman claimed:

Well, look, Senator McCain's got this great story about what he survived and what he endured and his campaign wants to tell that story as much as possible because they think that that's something voters respect and it gives them a sense of what he’s made of. But Senator Obama’s got a great American success story, too, and it’s just a different one and I think voters are equally impressed with what he’s all about.

So, the story of a man who never served in the military but was a community organizer and graduated from Harvard Law is "different" but just as impressive as the story of a man who was a prisoner of war, tortured by his Communist captors and refused special treatment in order to stay with his fellow servicemen in prison?

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Earlier in the segment, Hall seemed a bit wary of McCain's portrayal of the 1960s and asked Merida if the ad might turn off baby boomers:

You've got these baby boomers out there who may not have been full blown hippies but did not agree with what was happening in Vietnam and now they may be Reagan Democrats, they may be independents. Could this turn them off from Senator McCain?

Merida's characterization of the time period was much more flattering than that in the McCain ad:

Well, you know, it’s very tricky, Tamron, because people have a lot of different impressions of the Sixties. I mean, clearly McCain is trying to show a contrast between the carefree lifestyles of the Sixties versus the patriotism of serving ones country but a lot of people remember the Sixties as an idealistic time. The Sixties of the Kennedys and Martin Luther King and making the nation better. It was the Sixties when the first man orbited the earth, John Glenn, first American. So you know there are a lot of different impressions of the Sixties. People, many people look on the Sixties with very fond memories

The transcript of the segment, which aired at 12:52 p.m. on July 8, follows:

TAMRON HALL, host: Welcome back to this Super Tuesday. John McCain’s campaign just released a new TV ad entitled "Love." Without mentioning his rivals name, the ad takes swipes at Barack Obama's message of hope while highlighting McCain’s service in Vietnam. Here’s a portion of the one minute spot that will be running in eleven battleground states.

[clip of McCain campaign ad]

HALL: Jill Zuckman is national correspondent for the Chicago Tribune. Kevin Merida is associate editor for the Washington Post. So Jill I’ll start off with you. Barack Obama was born in 1961 so he was not a part of the hippie love fest at least portrayed in that ad so if this is an attempt to tie him into the anti-war movement and some of the bad things of the Sixties, at least that Senator McCain might have observed, is that a far reach?

JILL ZUCKMAN, Chicago Tribune: It’s a little bit of a stereotype of Democrats frankly, Tamron. It’s just the idea that, oh, Democrats were off in San Francisco sharing lots of love with each other while Republicans were off in Vietnam fighting. But it’s a great way of kinda grabbing people and getting them to pay attention to the ad which provides some important biographical information about Senator McCain as well as a couple of slaps at Senator Obama for his beautiful words and his hope.

HALL: Now, Kevin, that’s what I wanted to follow up on Jill, what Jill touched upon in that you’ve got these baby boomers out there who may not have been full blown hippies but did not agree with what was happening in Vietnam and now they may be Reagan Democrats, they may be independents. Could this turn them off from Senator McCain?

KEVIN MERIDA, Washington Post: Well, you know, it’s very tricky, Tamron, because people have a lot of different impressions of the Sixties. I mean, clearly McCain is trying to show a contrast between the carefree lifestyles of the Sixties versus the patriotism of serving ones country but a lot of people remember the Sixties as an idealistic time. The Sixties of the Kennedys and Martin Luther King and making the nation better. It was the Sixties when the first man orbited the earth, John Glenn, first American. So you know there are a lot of different impressions of the Sixties. People, many people look on the Sixties with very fond memories.

HALL: Yeah, especially when you see those people kissing there, Jill, in that video. Is that you, Jill? Is that you in that video?

ZUCKMAN: Yeah, right. I’m not old enough, Tamron.

HALL: Okay, that’s true. That is true. But let me ask you though, it is powerful when you see Senator McCain and it highlights the sacrifice that he made during that time. For Senator Obama’s campaign, is there really any way to compete when you see those images in that ad?

ZUCKMAN: Well, look, Senator McCain’s got this great story about what he survived and what he endured and his campaign wants to tell that story as much as possible because they think that that’s something voters respect and it gives them a sense of what he’s made of. But Senator Obama’s got a great American success story, too, and it’s just a different one and I think voters are equally impressed with what he’s all about.

HALL: All right, well we’re all outta time for this hour. Thank you both for joining me. Kevin and Jill, thank you again.


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→ Of course it's impressive

Here you have a young African American who had the misfortune of being raised by typical white women.

Just think how much more wonderful he would be both socially and academically if he'd had the good fortune ov being raised by hs loving father of whom he has dreams.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE

So True Cool

but you have to remember.

He is wrapped in a halo and was an organizer in the city, and ....

Yep, that equals POW status.

So as Bill Clinton would put it, When will SOBama explode from all his pent up anger and go crazy??

Personally, I hope it is before the election!

Obama the POW

I hear those POWs go especially berserk when they have been tortured by typical white women.

Sad, he could have been somebody of significant note.

sarcasm intended. Better?

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I don't think Obama will ever blow up

He's a textbook example of passive aggressive. He can't address things head on, he has to make snide comments and implications. Passive aggressive people like him don't have the ability to address the real points. They are too scared. They have to make actual debate out of bounds.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

I agree, Dee. He never

I agree, Dee. He never actually answers a criticism. He attacks the question instead of answering it.

Sort of the debating equivalent of an "ad hominem" attack.

And I've heard a lot of stupid "equivalency" arguments, but equating growing up black (even if it were in worse circumstances than Obama had) to being a POW for 5 years really takes the cake!

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

Dee...

"They have to make actual debate out of bounds."

Just like the rest of our Democrat members of Congress!  

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

MB and CT - It's either loud obnoxious feigned outrage

or passive aggressive snide remarks. Both tactics are aimed at squashing actual debate. The dems can't debate the issues without vilifying their opponent.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Zuckman

Jill Zuckman is a total liberal. Also, they put her on TV as if she is some active DC beat writer for the Tribune, but I hardly ever see her stuff in the paper. I don't know what she spends her time doing, but as someone who has watched my Tribune Co stock plunge, I am not too happy. New Trib owner Sam Zell visited the Tribune DC bureau and couldn't believe how many people were there. I have no idea what Zuckman does with her time, but it seems like a nice gig.

I see the similiarities -

I see the similiarities - Obama had to pay for his loans to go to Harvard and that had to be tough being a lawyer and community organizer.  That is just like being a POW in a Vietnam prisoner of war camp for 5 years and standing up for your country and fellow soldiers and POW's. 

But that is where the similiarities end and the differences are stark.  I'm sure if Obama had been in McCain's position he would have shown his great leadership qualities (as demonstrated during his 143 days in the Senate before deciding to run for President) by talking to his captors and finding common ground and understanding.  The war probably would have ended with hugs all around. 

Change, hope, and hope of change that brings hope.  How can anyone deny this man what is rightfully his.  He should not have to defend himself.

the idyllic 60's.........

Such a peaceful, groovy time...........

Acid rain, smog, Biafra, Mississippi burning, Watts riots, the very real threat of becoming radioactive dust, soviet aggression, armed skirmishes all over the place, the Cuban missile crisis, DDT, nuke testing, the first emerging strains of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, burning rivers.... Oh, and by the way, I seem to recall the assassination of both a US president, and presidential wannabe.  These were all happening whether or not a person spent their time in a drug-induced haze.

 But, you know, like, peace out, bro.

HaloMan

Funny thing about that "community organizer" angle. Notice how few stories are done on the actual community and what it looks like today after Mr. Obama had his hand on it?

Where's the crack investigators of our MSM showing us pictures and the happy faces who live there? 

"Senator McCain’s got this

"Senator McCain’s got this great story about what he survived and what he endured and his campaign wants to tell that story as much as possible because THEY THINK THAT’s something voters respect..."

Notice that this twit says "THEY THINK that". There is no "they think that". McCain's sacrifice for his country IS worthy of respect, and anybody who is not a liberal kool-aid drinker is going to feel that way. Period.

The contempt these people have in their hearts is truly disgusting.

The Britney Spears of politics

Obama's success story is more comparable to Britney Spears:  minimal talent and a whole lot of hype.  He's mainly where he is because he's an attractive black without a lot of baggage (or so they thought when they chose him) who could be marketed and packaged right into the White House.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Um...

So are there actually any voters who think that it's as impressive to take advantage of afirmative action and have a massive ego as it is to have been detained and probably tortured in Vietnam?

Because if there are... things are more bleak than I had thought.

God bless

Fond memories?

Some people look on the sixties with very fond memories? What happened to the quip, "If you remember the sixties, you weren't there."?

That said, yeah, McCain "refused special treatment in order to stay with his fellow servicemen in prison", but if I recall that's part of the Code of Conduct. This makes McCain no more (though no less) noble than his fellow prisoners who also clung to the Code of Conduct.

Not to diss McCain -- just to give credit where credit is due to ALL the POWS.