MSNBC's Shuster: Bush's Remarks 'Intellectually Grotesque and Dishonest'


The 9a.m. hour of Friday’s MSNBC News Live featured only slanted coverage of President Bush’s remarks to Israel's Knesset including "Hardball" correspondent David Shuster’s characterization of the President’s remarks as “clearly an intellectually grotesque and dishonest statement.”

Shuster also argued that Bush’s remarks were offensive to "a lot" of people because "when you talk about Adolf Hitler in the context of the Middle East, it diminishes the atrocities and just how horrific the Nazi regime really was."

The hour long broadcast featured two segments which focused on Bush’s remarks with guests David Shuster and Barack Obama supporter Senator Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), both of whom criticized the President’s statements and went along with the Democratic spin that Bush’s statements were an attack on Obama.

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Shuster also used this opportunity to criticize the "hypocrisy" of President Bush as well as John McCain’s supposed Hamas flip-flop: "There's a bit of hypocrisy here because merely talking with our enemies, that's something that Ronald Reagan has done with the Soviet Union, Richard Nixon did with China. John McCain advocated just a few years ago that we should be talking with Hamas."

Also, Shuster attacked McCain for his supposed hypocrisy on standing for a new kind of politics: "Look at what John McCain was trying to say in his speech yesterday that he stands for a new kind of politics, that he's above of this sort of traditional, slash and burn politics and, yet, he then embraces in what is clearly an intellectually grotesque and dishonest statement by President Bush."

The relevant portions of the transcript follow:

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Live from Capitol Hill right now, former presidential candidate who is now backing Barack Obama, Connecticut Senator Chris Dodd. Senator, thanks for being with us.

SENATOR CHRIS DODD: Thank you, Mika, very much. Nice to be here.

BRZEZINSKI: Without mentioning Senator Obama's name, President Bush said that speaking with a leader like the President of Iran is similar to the appeasement of Hitler. He didn't mention Barack Obama's name, but was that or was it not a swipe at your candidate?

DODD: Well, Mika, I was born at night but not last night. And anybody who thinks that wasn't is living in a never-never land. This was clearly a, I don't know who's responsible for it. The President certainly has to accept responsibility. I've been in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 25 years. One thing we've always followed here, when presidents are out of the country, historically people try to avoid attacking the President when he's out of the country. I've never been in the situation where I've seen a president out of the country attack another presidential candidate. And particularly in that setting, on the 60th anniversary of the establishment of the state of Israel. This is a state which Democrats, Republicans, Americans have strong supported over many, many years. My father was a prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials.

BRZEZINSKI: Mhmm.

DODD: I grew up with great learning about the Nazis and Hitler and what they did. And to suggest, even by implication as the President did, is beyond insulting. It's infuriating. And I hope people all across this country, regardless of your politics, whether you're for Barack Obama or not, would speak out loudly and reject that kind of politics, and frankly, the President ought to be ashamed of himself for what he did.

BRZEZINSKI: Well, what are you expecting Senator Obama to say at this rally in South Dakota because I do have one other way of looking at this that we talked about a little bit this morning, Senator, and that is that this, well, this takes Barack Obama on at a presidential level in dealing with foreign policy. Perhaps it is a huge opportunity for your candidate to get out there on foreign policy and show what he's got.

DODD: Well, listen, Mika, let me just, having been around to watch this, I remember Richard Nixon going to be Mao Tse-tung in China. Not because he liked Mao Tse-tung or wanted to have lunch with him, or was trying to appease an enemy. We were trying to open a door with a very important power in the world with whom we had significant disagreements. Certainly, Ronald Reagan, meeting with Soviet leadership and arms control and efforts here, not because he liked them, wanted us to break bread with them, spend an evening with them, but as an American president he had an obligation to try and reduce the threat of nuclear conflict. The suggestion, somehow, that we don't meet with people we don't like is rather naive to put it mildly. Every American President during my tenure, and I've served with six or seven of them, every single one, Democrats and Republicans have certainly engaged that. John Kennedy said it as well as any of them has some forty years ago, more than that now, when he said that we never should fear to negotiate but never negotiate out of fear. And certainly that oughta be the hallmark and the conduct of foreign policy. What President Bush was suggesting somehow in the Knessest of all places here is that we ought not to try and find ways to bring an end to these conflicts.

BRZEZINSKI: Well, Senator, what I thought was also interesting as this news broke yesterday at 8:45 Eastern time, the President's comments coming over the wires, John Yang reporting it, but then ya had, I think it was in the Post I was reading it, the Secretary of Defense Bob Gates putting out a different approach toward Iran. It almost seemed like one arm wasn't connected to the other. Help me understand what's happening here with the White House and what you think they potentially were trying to do, if this was not [snarky look], if you take their word for it, a swipe at Barack Obama?

DODD: Well, again, Mika, it clearly was. There's no question about it.

BRZEZINSKI: Yeah.

DODD: And you saw the comments by others sort of applauding the President for what he had to say. I thought was Secretary Gates said was the right thing to say. He has it exactly right here. You need to have leverage, and if you have leverage you can begin to talk to people. And there are things you can do and not do. There are carrots and sticks as you begin to approach all of this. And you never eliminate the possibility of using military force. You never take that off the table here. That would be a foolish thing to do. But you don't begin there. That's not the first arrow you draw out of your quiver which is what is being suggested by too many people here. You use all these other tools that a great nation such as this one has to advance our foreign policy interest and those of our allies. And the suggestion, the President somehow, that Barack Obama here would be willing to sit down with people like Hitler here is so offensive it's infuriating as I said earlier. And I think anybody who's been involved in foreign policy, Democrats or Republicans, ought to reject those kind of comments out of hand.

BRZEZINSKI: Well, the debate will continue over this and also if we have rebuilding to do in terms of our global reputation. I'd like to have you back to talk about that.

DODD: Absolutely.

BRZEZINSKI: Senator Chris Dodd live from Capitol Hill. Always good to talk to you Senator, thank you very much.

DODD: Thank you very much. You bet.

BRZEZINSKI: All right, take care.

[…]

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Okay. MSNBC Hardball correspondent David Shuster joins us now. This was quite something on Morning Joe this morning. We had a good time with this. Biden was on our show and went on with the point that he was developing there. Clearly McCain, though, thinks this is a legitimate issue. Is this a winning issue for him, though? To line up with the President on this one?

DAVID SHUSTER: Well I think the way this all went down was not a winning issue. I mean, look at what John McCain was trying to say in his speech yesterday that he stands for a new kind of politics, that he's above of this sort of traditional, slash and burn politics and, yet, he then embraces in what is clearly an intellectually grotesque and dishonest statement by President Bush. I mean, it's striking on so many levels, Mika. First of all, it's offensive to a lot of people because when you talk about Adolf Hitler in the context of the Middle East, it diminishes the atrocities and just how horrific the Nazi regime really was. And, then, secondly, there's a bit of hypocrisy here because merely talking with our enemies, that's something that Ronald Reagan has done with the Soviet Union, Richard Nixon did with China. John McCain advocated just a few years ago that we should be talking with Hamas. The issue, it becomes appeasement only when you're under threat and you give something away. When you give something away, that's very different from talking with your enemies and I think that's why, perhaps, on an intellectual level, John McCain loses here. However, as was also pointed out this morning, a lot of Americans are perhaps not as involved in the complexities and when it gets boiled down, maybe in that sense, John McCain gets to sorta renew the focus as to whether Barack Obama is as supportive of our ally in the Middle East, Israel, as John McCain is.

BRZEZINSKI: You know, you say John McCain loses on this one. And I'd add, I could be wrong here, Shuster, and you tell me what you think. I think Barack Obama potentially wins on this one because he's being brought in to the foreign policy conversation at a presidential level. He has an opportunity today to lay it out on the line and show people exactly where he stands on this issue.

SHUSTER: Yeah, Mika. I think you're absolutely right. It does elevate Barack Obama to the level of President Bush. It's a winner in the sense that Barack Obama's taking on a president with a twenty-seven percent approval rating, one of the lowest in history. It takes the focus away from Hillary Clinton and in a weird sort of way, it takes it away from John McCain. It becomes an Obama versus Bush battle with the entire Democratic Party united behind Barack Obama on this one. And, he's got the advantage of having several hours to craft out exactly how he wants to respond. So, I'm with ya.

BRZEZINSKI: David Shuster, thanks for your perspective and thanks for helping out on Morning Joe this morning. Talk to you soon.


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"...diminishes the

"...diminishes the atrocities and just how horrific the Nazi regime really was."

Unless of course you deny it ever happened. That would be diminished to the Nth power.  

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

shuster

Right on BuffNbone. Also, the Israeli's gave Bush standing ovations. I think they'd be just a little sensitive to someone they felt was diminishing the Holocaust

Appeasement predated atrocities

Diminishes the atrocities? Bush's analogy to the Nazis was specific to their period of appeasement. Their greatest atrocities followed and, indeed, were enabled by the negotiated concessions of this period. Would Shuster have us wait until after the terrorists' ambitions to wipe out the decedents of the survivors of the first Holocaust have been fulfilled before we permit ourselves to compare present appeasement with past ... in future hindsight? The greatest goal of studying history is to prevent the worst of it from being repeated. 

Really Grotesque... Have

Really Grotesque...

Have you ever seen the black hair on the back of David Shusters hands. It's Grotesque!

You only see hairy hands like that on chest thumping Apes. 

"Abstain from McCain"

“when you talk about

“when you talk about Adolf Hitler in the context of the Middle East, it
diminishes the atrocities and just how horrific the Nazi regime really
was.”

Oh right, David. That comparison is rightly reserved for the Bush administration.

<sarc off>

You know, some people just can't see irony.....

Oh and I love this:

One thing we've always followed here, when presidents are out of the
country, historically people try to avoid attacking the President when
he's out of the country

Yes, Sen. Dodd, the tradition is for Democrats to go to another country and attack the President from there while he is here.

And you know what, Sen. Dodd? In my whole life, I have never seen that happen like it has with this President. Neither have I seen ex-Presidents constantly criticize and insult a sitting President as Democrats Clinton and Carter have done with this President.

So please spare us your sanctimony.

Dodd...another Presidential

Dodd...another Presidential has been wanna' be....speaking what he considers some kind of important voice for all of us to pay attention to considering this great speech by President Bush that really said it all about them and all their ilk over the years...along with Dean, Kerry, Biden Richardson, Clinton and Edwards on this subject...where's Kucinich?

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Denny's hard at work

Building the lastest Tin Foil hats - ver. 4.7, logon to Nutjob.com to pre-order. Better hurry, Kos Kids are snapping them up... 

American Dream – 10,000 politicians swimming to Europe with a lawyer under each arm. 

They just can't figure it out

Man, they just can't figure it out. This wasn't a speech about Obama the egomaniac; it was about the Israelis. The Democrats are completely ignoring the history of Israel and it's citizens and are making this all about Obama. The Democrats and the MSM are OBSESSED with this! That tells us everything we need to know about the Democrats and their MSM lackeys. To Wit, they're VERY obsessive, to the point of insanity.

...Bush suckered em in

...Bush suckered em in again:)...

I thought Rove was behind all this brilliance...but he's gone now...hmmmmm....

Disappointed

I generally try to give reporters the benefit of the doubt.  I believe reporters (the vast majority) do their job with objectivity and professionalism.

But, Shuster has continually disappointed me.  As a reporter, he gives my profession a bad name (in my opinion.)

To me, he seems to be a reporter who wants a commetary show.  And, apparantly he thinks by going partisan he can get it.

Again, disappointing to me.

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

Wow cur... We finally

Wow cur...

We finally have found something we agree on...I'll be danged...hope does spring eternal...lol.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Call it like I see it

No kidding, BT.

But, what can I say.  I'm an ardent supporter of stories and reporters I think to be justified.

But, I have nothing positive to say about Shuster's coverage.

We may disagree on the amount of bias that's out there... but, you need point no farther than to Shuster to prove to me that it does exist.  

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

“when you talk about

“when you talk about Adolf Hitler in the context of the Middle East, it diminishes the atrocities and just how horrific the Nazi regime really was.”

Sure dummy. Except the Israeli parliament gave President Bush loud, prolonged applause for his comments

But what do they know about the holocaust and Hitler, Mr Shuster? I mean, they're only Jews for God's sake.

I'll tell you what is intellectually grotesque and dishonest Shuster. You..

You're a partisan paraody of a journalist, in the tank for Obama right up to your manicured eyebrows.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

My take on that bit is an

My take on that bit is an unintended implication. When comparing two bad things, the lesser evil seems diminished compared to the greater. In this context, Shuster accidentally condemned the Middle-East as worse than Nazi Germany.

www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi

The North African Campaign

The North African Campaign of WW II was a good example of the cooperation of the Nazis and the Muslims against the Allies. The audience in the Knesset would be well aware of the connection of Nazism and radical Muslims in the Middle East. It's no accident that radical Muslims often deny the Holocaust, a point not lost on them either.

As it happens, Saddam Hussein's uncle viewed Hitler as a great hero, and had a picture of him on his wall long after WW II was over.

Arafat was also an admirer of the Nazi regime and was a student of their techniques of terror.

I think

Bush hit exactly what he was aiming at. Call an appeaser "appeaser" and it really lights them off.

Democrat Appeaser Party (DAP)

10k

I like it...."lights them off".

I haven't seen such a liberal snit fit in quite a while.  And while I know the phrase has been somewhat worn out...I have my own little twist:

If the shoe fits, Cinderlla! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

You got it, and in Obama's

You got it, and in Obama's response he said that president "referred to me and other Democrats....".

Oh really Mr. Obama? He referred to you? Did he mention you in any way? Or do you simply know you are what he said and it hit you square between the eyes and you couldn't help but let us all know that you couldn't help but know it was you he's talking about? And why would he be talking about you? And why did you come out harder against that than you did against the comments of Rev. Wright? Why did this touch such a nerve in you, Mr. Obama?

BRILLIANT...

 The fact he named nobody & pissed off everyone on the left because they all assumed he was talking about them. Brilliant!

 

 

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

I may disagree with his

I may disagree with his positions on some subjects, but the man isn't half as dumb as a lot of people think. At the very least, he's brighter than the media fools who waltzed right into this trap. Like I said before, a Matlock moment: Toss out an undirected accusation and see who goes defensive.

www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi

Shuster, how

sad this cerebral midget really is.

Or should I say, how grotesque, this cerebral midget really is?

What is left to say about these shameless fools on MSNBC?

From the first show in the morning to when ever they end at night, they suck.

Chris Matthews does not even know when the USS Cole was hit.

So much for his short term memory!

Matthews is so dumb he

Matthews is so dumb he thinks it's the USS Gary Cole.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

"Yeeeeeah....and Chris

"Yeeeeeah....and Chris Matthews, I'll be needing you to go on and come in to work this Saturday, and, yeah, probably Sunday too. Yeeah....'k?"

(Lumberg [Gary Cole], Office Space)

This is another of those

This is another of those liberal things that they make up on the fly. What the H does "intellectually grotesque" even mean????

But all his buddies probably thought "oooh David, good one!!!" 

Is there a competition among

Is there a competition among Shuster, Matthews and Olberman to see who the biggest dumbass at MSNBC is? I just cannot understand how any of these people who claim to be professionals (and I use the term loosely) make these statements that are so blatantly absurd and do it as though they are discussing something as mundane as the weather. This level of stupidity would get anyone with a real job fired.

delete

delete

gimme a break

These people are running out of vocabulary to describe real disasters with all of these breathless adjectives being used over a speech. 

That's exactly right,

That's exactly right, candance.

Liberals are constantly looking for new ways to say the same old insults. What the H does "intellectually grotesque" even mean????

But all his buddies probably thought "oooh David, good one!!!"

 

'scuse me

I'm hoping you're not insinuating that democrats are the only political party in this nation that finds new ways to throw old insults?

I'm sure I could find a few examples about 'anti-patriotic' or 'terrorist sympathizer' which the GOP has used.

Again, I think what Shuster said is appauling.  I just don't want anyone to think conservatives have their hands clean when it comes to insults. 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

Inferring Insults

"I just don't want anyone to think conservatives have their hands clean when it comes to insults. "

No one is making that claim. Conservatives do use insults from time to time, but it's rare for a conservative to INFER a personal insult out of what is arguably an innocuous statement which contains absolutely NO reference to anyone and then proclaim that the person who made the statement doesn't know what he or she is talking about.

"Some people" is an innocuous description, wouldn't you agree? It's the Democrats and the MSM who infer that Bush was insulting them and Obama and they now using that inference as a means to further insult and demean the President. That's a rather childish reaction, wouldn't you agree?

No, I think motherbelt was

No, I think motherbelt was implying liberals have some kind of a monopoly when it comes to certain types of insults with this line...

 Liberals are constantly looking for new ways to say the same old insults

I just wanted to make it clear, dems and repubs are equally dirty on that point.

On your point (which I don't believe motherbelt was refering to), "some people" is ambiguous, innocuous, what have you... but, I think a fair-minded assesment of President Bush's speech and guess Sen. Obama was at least one of the people intended for the "appeasement comment."

That said... why are dems upset for the President voicing his opinion?  Seriously, I'm obviously no fan of this president... but, this comment is right in line with is foreign policy views.  It's not shocking he would say something like this.  And he has every right to voice that opinion.

Was the comment directed at Obama?  I believe so.  Is it that big a deal?  I don't think so at all. 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

Equally dirty? I don't think so.

"I just wanted to make it clear, dems and repubs are equally dirty on that point."

Equally dirty? I don't think so. After the enormous Democrat and MSM response to the President's speech, and the disgusting level of vitriol directed by the democrats and the MSM at the President because of that speech, you just might want to reassess that conclusion.

I'm Fine, Thank You.

First off... for every headline that read "Bush Blasts Obama..."  There were several headlines the next day that read "Obama Fires Back."

So, the rhetoric was being used by the media to classify both speeches as punches or fighting words.

Secondly, throwing insults and who does it more or less isn't contained to this story soley.

Looking at politics in general, the cheap shots and name-calling, etc., is something both sides are very good at.

To say one does it more than the other is like saying the Flyers took more penalties than the Blackhawks in the 70s.  You're taking sides just to take sides. 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

curator

Would you kindly point out, in the President's remark, where, EXACTLY, he supposedly accused (or in your word..."insulted") Obama of being an appeaser?

Pretty please?

Personally, I thought the remark was aimed at Jimmuh.  But, I could be wrong. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Same Comment

 I thought the remark was aimed at Jimmuh.

If you're familiar enough with the comment to associate it with Jimm Carter, then you know to which comment I'm refering.

And, its just as easy to think its was aimed at Sen. Obama as it is at President Carter.

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

Actually, curator

It would be interesting for you to prove, positively, that the President's comment was "aimed" at Bambi.  Too bad for you, it just can't be done, can it? 

As much as I know you positively HATE to refer to GWB as the President....dude, he is.

So....defend Barry's hysteria.  He's like a teenaged paranoid chick worrying about the other bimbo ripping off her boyfriend.   "Like Wow, dudette".

And, in a funny thing I read yesterday:

To Barak:  "You're so vain....you probably think this song's about you"  ~ Carly Simon. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

It would be interesting for

It would be interesting for you to prove, positively, that the
President's comment was "aimed" at Bambi. Too bad for you, it just
can't be done, can it?

No more or less than you can prove it was aimed at President Carter. As I've said before, it's personal interpretation.


As much as I know you positively HATE to refer to GWB as the President....dude, he is.

I don't know where you go the the impression that I hate refering to President Bush as Commander in Chief. I've never stated that anywhere. I disagree with much of what he's done... but, it doesn't pain me to admit he's president. Again, I have no idea where you even began to draw that conclusion.

 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

One could say the same of you

"You're taking sides just to take sides."

One could say the same of you. Just like the Democrats are doing with the President‘s speech, you're falsely inferring my intent. My intent is clear. President Bush DID NOT refer to Obama or any other Democrat in any way and nothing the President said was an insult to him or anyone else. Claming that this was an attack on Obama is asinine. The White House even issued a statement clarifying this, but the Democrats won’t accept this.

The Democrats don't care about the speech and it's content, they only care about how they can spin it to their advantage, just like they have so many times in the past 8 years. It is blatantly obvious they are trying to turn a respectful speech to the Israelis into an attack on Obama and other Democrats and a lot of people have swallowed their partisan bait hook, line, and sinker.  That’s more than just childish, it’s down right insulting!

Cobra

Spot on.

 The "dems" just want to have their panties in a bunch. Publicly.  How sick is that????

They are glomming on to something that wasn't even said (hmmm...typical, yes?).

I hope GWB throws it right back at them, in spades.  But we all know he won't.  The Obambabies are reframing the argument...oppose THE OBAMA...you are a racist, mysoginist pig (oops, Bambi....shouldn'ta called that chick "Sweetie", huh?)

I am about over, over, over the politics.  About.

But not there yet.  I'll keep fighting the liberal twits, I suppose, until I'm six feet under.

 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Only Obama and Democrats are important

This entire manufactured "insult" fantasy tells me that Obama and the Democrats actually believe that they, and only they, are important in the world. By insisting that "some people" refers to only Obama and the other Democrats, they have EXCLUDED all other people in the world. Apparently they don’t care that "some people" can refer to people other than Democrats or that"some people" could, and does, refer to some Israelis themselves, who were the intended audience of that speech.

By denying the rest of the world from inclusion in "some people," the Democrats show what they really believe. They believe that they are the supreme creatures on this planet and the rest of us don't even count. Way to go, Democrats! Now we know what you REALLY think about us.

Some People

Are so insane that they believe everything is about.....THEM!

Que'lle twits!

I have to laugh, tho. 

President Bush's statement about "appeasers" has all of them thrashing. 

Seriously, if someone called me an red-headed slut, I'd not even notice.

As a disgusting old fart once mentioned...the proof is in the pudding.

Okay...enough for me on this. 

Bambi is toasty, nice and warm, and really stupid. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Diff Topic

I'm not taking issue with your take on the President's speech.  Just that dirty politics is more associated with one party than the other.

As an aside... I don't see the big deal about the speech.  The President is entitled to his opinion.  Even if it was directed at Obama.  They are from different parties, after all.

 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

That's because it's true

"Just that dirty politics is more associated with one party than the other."

That's because it's true. The Democrats resort to dirty politics and personal insults far more often than the Republicans do. I have seen this my entire voting life, 30 years and counting. It's grown worse in the last 8 years and I am disgusted with the amount of vitriol that the Democrats have directed at the President during his time in office.

I posted this elsewhere, but

I posted this elsewhere, but it bares repeating: Obama's camp shouldn't have ever responded to this supposed "attack." There was absolutely nothing to gain from a "response."

hi Bal

i must agree, it's like he's saying:  "appeaser?, he's talking about me"

"the dog that gets hit yelps the loudest"  -- old saying  

Yup. Makes him look "guilty"

Yup. Makes him look "guilty" just by addressing it. He should have dismissed any notion that Bush meant him. He could have spun this for himself, easily.

Shot himself in the foot

Yea, he really shot himself in the foot over this, and the MSM supplied him the ammunition. Instead of taking this as a personal attack, he should have remarked politely and positively about the speech and the appreciative response of the Israeli people for whom it was written. That was a Gentleman would have done.

curator, you are mistaken.

curator, you are mistaken. I was not implying that liberals have some kind of monoply on insults.

I should have been more specific. The "same old insults" that I was talking about that liberals keep rephrasing are the claims that President Bush is

1) stupid

2) a liar.

Since Shuster's comments involved both intellect and dishonesty, I thought that was evident. I shouldn't assume people know what I mean.

 

Curator

There may be hope for you yet!

And isn't that why we're

And isn't that why we're all here? ;-) 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

I visit this site everyday... usually 3 or more times

Now... I'm no Rohdes scholar,,,,

But I am constantly amazed every freaking day how stupid "reporters" are...

They are a product of the dumbed down and let us dumb you down educational system in this country...

 Seriously,,, how do they tie their shoes in the morning????

Check this out for more info...  http://www.anxietycenter.com/subversion.htm

It's interesting reading...

 

 

I hear ya

I'm no rocket surgeon myself (no insult implied), I'm trying to connect the dots. . Think, think, think... Hitler, Jews, Israel... that was tough, whew.

American Dream – 10,000 politicians swimming to Europe with a lawyer under each arm. 

MSNBC....Who watches this network? Honestly.

"women and minorities hardest hit"

Where are all the Republicans?

We're hearing all the outrage from every liberal Tom, Dick and Harry about how "awful" (albiet completely factual) Bush's comments were. My question is: Where are all the Republicans? How come nobody is throwing it back in the face of Barack, Hillary, Biden et. al., backing up Bush and McCain? I'd think at least Huckabee, Thompson and Romney would be telling Biden to sit down and shut up.

krendler...I guess their

krendler...

I guess their strategy of silence is golden...once again.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Excellent point, krendler

I'm less and less enchanted with this GOP crop. Then again, I wonder how many media reporters actually called a Republican to get a response. More than likely, we haven't heard from Republicans because no one in the media has asked them. (The most common form of liberal bias ... )

Perhaps the reporters don't know how to get in touch with a Republican. I'll be glad to compile a list. You can get it off the internet ...

krendler

I did see Huckabee on F&F the other day making fun of Obama over this. Also, Dana Perino defended it in an interview and McCain has made a statement about it despite the MSM's willingness to report it.

I watched the first 15

I watched the first 15 minutes of Morning Joe today and my jaw hit the floor. Listening to Mika and Shuster was really unbelievable...Mika's giddy pronouncement that Biden's profanity laced Bush bash was 'fantastic' and then Shusters 'grotesque' comment...these are supposed to be reporters not commentators, right?

I've been looking for video of this..please anyone know where I might be able to find it? 

You are tough

I don't have the stomach to watch MSNBC (along w/ geraldo/heraldo? on FOX). I seem develop a extreme case of Tourette's.  This is why I'm thankful for discovering NB and it's contributors.     

American Dream – 10,000 politicians swimming to Europe with a lawyer under each arm. 

Kit9, you have the stomach to watch...

Kit9, you have the stomach to watch perhaps the two greatest living airheads of msm? Despite Chris Dodd's Letters from Nuremberg, many of the msm remain appeasers of the first order. All of us know that the United Nations isn't the answer to just about anything; they don't know that. They see the UN and many of the NGOs as solutions, not the problem.

Joe Biden? The Dandy of the Senate.

 

How is Mika's daddy doing as a foreign policy advisor to Obama, by the way? Her daddy advised Jimmy Carter, now Obama--wow!

The real depressing thing

The real depressing thing is that Bush could give a critical state of the union speech detailing a ten-step plan to a sound economy and solid foreign policy, and it would barely receive media coverage or be picked apart for "not addressing climate change or homosexuality." On the flip side, any Congressman, Senator, or party rep could respond to the speech simply saying, "Bush, on behalf of my friends and the nation, f*** you," with middle fingers included, and be hailed as a national hero and a nonconformist.

It wouldn't at all be considered "intellectually grotesque." In fact, quite the opposite. It would be considered "courageous."

O, how times have changed.

 

 

I find the libs choice of

I find the libs choice of examples of historical statesmanship to be quite amusing. First of all, the Presidential visits to Russia and China were negotiations with superpowers, not tin-horn nutcases. They had specific treaty agendas and both sides were trying to diminish tensions for their own economic and strategic benefits.

Biden's example of North Korea is especially stupid. Carter and Albright fawned over Kim Jung-Il, signed some flowery-languaged papers, and then North Korea tore up the treaty as Air Force I was leaving the tarmac. Exactly the kind of appeasement diplomacy that Bush referred to.

 

My first thought was

Jimmy Carter and those like him who cannot wait to slam the United States or take issue with President Bush's foreigh policy.

Nasty Pelosi, and Hurry Reid et al.

They visit our enemy and kiss up to them.

President bush was absolutly correct in everything he said.

I applaud his ability to piss so many liberals off all at once.

The only way Bush's speech

could have been aimed at Obama is if Obama was an appeaser.

That explains the anger coming from the left and the Obama camp.

They recognized themselves and went balistic.

As for me

I love cowboy diplomacy....!!!

Me too, but with more

Me too, but with more Cowboys ; ] 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

The President delivers a

The President delivers a stirring speech to a nation continually on the receiving end of missiles.  It was a ‘we are with you’, ‘Ich bin ein Berliner’, kind of moment, and the best Shuster can do is call it grotesque.  On MSNBC a speech is either grotesque or a thrill goes up the leg…. that’s quality analysis.