Media Pushing False Notion Dem Victory in NY Race Would Mean Rejection of Medicare Reform
Many in the press are gearing up to present today's special election in New York's 26th Congressional District as a referendum on Republican budget proposals and plans to reform entitlement programs.
MSNBC's website collected examples of such claims from numerous news outlets, including the Associated Press, Roll Call, the Hill, and a pair of local newspapers. Left-wing news outfits such as the Huffington Post and Talking Points Memo have also tried to play this card.
The facts belie these claims. A conservative third party candidate seems to have siphoned significant support from the Republican candidate, and polling data suggests district residents support Republican Medicare reform proposals. But don't expect that to stop reporters from making their referendum claims, just as they did after the 2009 special election in upstate New York.
Here's what the AP had to say about today's election:
Today's tight race in New York's 26th Congressional District has become a referendum on the Republican plan to transform Medicare.
The western New York district is among the most conservative in the state.
Nevertheless, the latest poll shows Democrat Kathy Hochul (HOH'-kuhl) with a slight lead over Republican Jane Corwin in the race to succeed Republican Chris Lee. Lee resigned in February after shirtless photos surfaced that he'd sent to a woman on Craigslist.
Corwin was the early favorite but has seen her lead shrink after expressing support for a proposal to recast the government's health plan for seniors as a voucher program.
The AP mentions that Jack Davis, the conservative third party candidate, trails in a distant third, but doesn't mention what the precise numbers are. A quick Google search reveals the latest Siena poll findings: 42 percent for Hochul, 38 percent for Corwin, and 12 percent for Davis. In other words, absent Davis, Corwin would likely be able to overcome the statistically-minuscule four-point gap.
What's more, efforts to tie Corwin's lagging poll numbers to her position on Medicare routinely ignore recent poll data showing that NY-26 voters, by a 53 to 36 margin, want their representative to support the Republican Medicare plan.
Like this special election, the one in NY-23 in January 2009 saw a split ticket right up until the week of the election, with Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman squaring off against moderate Republican Dede Scozzafava. Like NY-26, that election was billed as a referendum on the Republican agenda - at the time its opposition to Obamacare.
As the Washington Examiner's Conn Carroll noted of Democrat Bill Owens's victory in NY-23, "The New York Times called the loss 'a blow to the right' that undermined 'party’s most deeply held conservative principles.' Democrats took the election as evidence that they would hold on the House in 2010. How did that turn out for them?"
And of course the "referendum" talk in 2009 tended to ignore or downplay gubernatorial victories in New Jersey and Virginia that ended up being far more predictive of the electorate's mood the following year.
Don't expect media predictions to be any more accurate this time around.
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Isn't this the race
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 10:58am.
Where a three-time losing democrat is running as the "Tea Party" candidate?
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Jack Davis...
Submitted by pvujo on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 12:56pm.
...this is the guy who ran for this post three times before. At least two times as a liberal Democrat. Now he says he is a member of the Tea Party. Uh huh. If he is a Tea party member, Charlie Sheen is modest.
I live in this district and you would NOT believe how many phone calls AND e-mails I have received from ALL three candidates. Last count (Caller ID) was 20+ calls in the last week alone. 7 e-mails on a Yahoo account (from Davis).
And to top it off, the Republican candidate is no conservative by any means. Years ago she would have been the perfect Democrat candidate (before they turned commie). Even a popular local radio talk show host (an avowed conservative) also noticed that the blue bloods in the local Republican party anointed her to be the candidate.
This is like choosing which venereal disease you want from the choices of syphilis, gonorrhea or chlamydia. Ugh!
Knowledge is Good
- Emil Faber
"...this is the guy who ran
Submitted by classicliberal2 on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 1:21pm.
"...this is the guy who ran for this post three times before. At least two times as a liberal Democrat. Now he says he is a member of the Tea Party. Uh huh. If he is a Tea party member, Charlie Sheen is modest."
Jack Davis is a lifelong conservative Republican from Newstead. He actually ran three times as a Democrat, which seems to have stemmed from a bizarre personal feud with Dick Cheney, but he's always been a solid conservative. He backed Chris Lee in the last election, and, in fact, ran for the Republican nomination to replace him in this year's special election, but he lost to Corwin. All of the candidates in this special election are well to the right of both the public and of the Democratic party.
LOL!
Submitted by pvujo on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 1:54pm.
Davis has run as a Democrat in the past two elections and his proposed policies were in synch with the Democratic platform. He must have lost his conservative principles along the way from Newstead as that is NOT how he comes across.
Hochul is so in bed with Pelosi and Reid with regards to beliefs it is not contestable. She may be to the right of Obama but I saw nothing that says she has any conservative values. This district is predominantly conservative. She is NOT to the right of that. Guaranteed. To top it off, she does not even live in the district she is running for.
Knowledge is Good
- Emil Faber
"Davis has run as a Democrat
Submitted by classicliberal2 on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 3:24pm.
"Davis has run as a Democrat in the past two elections"
No, he hasn't. He's a lifelong Republican who ran as a Democrat in THREE elections--in 2004, 2006, and 2008. Last year, he ran as a Republican, but lost to Chris Lee, whom he then supported. This year, in this special election, he again ran as a Republican, and lost the nomination to Jane Corwin.
"and his proposed policies were in synch with the Democratic platform."
No, they aren't. Davis' song is always the same. He runs on gun rights (brags about being a lifelong member of the NRA and other gun rights orgs), absolutely insane anti-immigrant sentiment, expanding oil drilling, and, while he opposes the now-toxic Medicare-into-vouchers approach of Paul Ryan, his criticism of the larger Ryan plan is that it doesn't go far enough with spending cuts. Davis also offers a Pat-Buchanan-esque phony economic populist line that opposes "free trade." While this is more in line with the Democratic base, it's not in line with most of the elected Democrats, or with their platform. Hochul is with Davis on "free trade," and she flogs immigrants, as well (though not to the same extent--Davis is a real crackpot on the issue). She started her political career as a candidate of the state's Conservative Party, and Code Blue, the big liberal money machine, won't give her a cent, but it's true that she's the least conservative candidate in this race. Corwin, who you said "is no conservative by any means," has, in fact, the 2nd most conservative voting record in the state legislature (as ranked by the Conservative Party).
Only a classic liberal would miss the irony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 8:48pm.
in pointing out that someone "--is a life long conservative --actually ran three times as a Democrat--but he's always been a solid conservative."
Conservative; maybe.
Wacko; probably.
"Solid" conservative; in a pigs' fat pink ass he is.
MD
Well to be fair Matt
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 8:53pm.
I am sure he is at least as conservative as Classic-lib. BTW, what a perfect handle for this guy.
Boudin---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 8:56pm.
:o)
I did point out in an earlier post that classicliberal2 is indeed perfect cuz this one is doubly classic liberal stupid.
MD
Yep.
Submitted by VBaxter on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 2:24pm.
Yep.
Ron Paul 2012
Remember when they portrayed
Submitted by kareling on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 11:29am.
Remember when they portrayed November's shellacking not as any referendum, but as a sign that voters were like stupid, impatient little children who can't make up their minds what they want except they want it right now?
The notion that this is a
Submitted by classicliberal2 on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 2:21pm.
The notion that this is a referendum on the Ryan Medicare plan is not unreasonable at all, and it certainly isn't "false." This is a VERY red district we're talking about. Only six months ago, Christopher Lee, the Republican who came to a scandalous end and had to vacate the seat, won with 74% of the vote. Hochul should have been nothing more than a token Democratic challenger, like every other Democratic challenger in this district has been. Corwin should win in a one-sided massacre, particularly in an off-off-year election. Instead, Hochul is actually ahead, and she came to lead the pack--an, again, absolutely astonishing accomplishment--by making Medicare one of the top issues. Almost her only issue, in fact. The Siena College poll you cite in contending that residents actually support what Ryan wants to do to Medicare is a month out-of-date, and doesn't make the point you want it to, that this isn't the issue driving the campaign. It makes little sense to cite it, when, in the CURRENT, just-released Siena College poll you'd already cited, 74% of respondents who named Medicare as the top issue are supporting Hochul. In recent days, Corwin has been furiously backpeddaling on the issue.
Another portion of those two polls, conducted a month apart, also works directly against your contention that Jack Davis is responsible for Hochul's lead. In the April, poll, Republican Corwin led by 36%, with Democrat Hochul trailing by 31% and Davis bringing up the rear with 23%. In the new poll, Hochul leads by 42%, with Corwin at 38% and Davis at 12%. Davis, in other words, lost 11% of voters in that month, which is exactly the same amount Hochul gained. Davis, it would seem, was siphoning off Hochul voters, not Corwin voters.
To be blunt, Lachlan, this is shoddy work. Do better.
But it couldn't be all the lying liberal smears and
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 2:29pm.
falsehood scare tactics. Fooling the seniors for your votes and agenda is about as evil as you can get. Although, you libs have no problem killing a late term fetus, so it's really no surprise.
But yup. It's about that evil Ryan and his plan to throw old people off the cliff. That's the same cliff that Obummer is driving this country off if you haven't figured that out, classicMoron2.
You complain about smears,
Submitted by classicliberal2 on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 3:28pm.
You complain about smears, but that's all you offer. You're totally unresponsive to the criticism I offered, and your smears are unconvincing. Do better.
He is right about the latest Siena poll
Submitted by Lipton on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 4:22pm.
The fact is Republicans haven't convinced enough Americans that Medicare will change. It will either be something like Ryan suggested or based on a rationing system. I think most people are of the impression that if health care does get rationed, they'll still get their when they want/need it -- in other words, it will only affect other people.
"The fact is Republicans
Submitted by classicliberal2 on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 7:05pm.
"The fact is Republicans haven't convinced enough Americans that Medicare will change. It will either be something like Ryan suggested or based on a rationing system."
Health care is already rationed, and the Ryan plan would just add rocket-fuel to that trend. The "problem with Medicare" isn't a problem with Medicare at all, and it can't be fixed by tinkering with Medicare, no matter what the tinkering. The problem is the skyrocketing cost of health care in the U.S.. The Ryan plan ignores this, and wouldn't fix a thing. It would only harm people. LOTS of people. Obama rhetorically acknowledged the problem, but his Romneycare bill ignores it, as well, and hurts people in an entirely different way, by putting insurance companies on welfare. It's the equivalent of trying to solve the problem of homelessness by making it a law that everyone must buy a home, then putting contractors on the dole so they can buy legislators at public expense to short-circuit any real reform. Worse than worthless. MUCH worse.
The thing is, the rise in the cost of health care is an unsustainable trend. It has to be brought under control or it will consume the entire U.S. economy. Obviously, there will be reforms before that, but it would be a lot less painful to do now than later, and I don't even see the possibility of any immediate movement in that direction. The dominant Democratic party faction is with Romneycare, which not only stands in for real reform but acts as a major roadblock to any future reform efforts, and the Republicans are just trying to eviscerate government spending, which just leaves seniors with no health care.
"Health care is already rationed"
Submitted by Rukus on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 8:04pm.
Now... where have we heard THAT before?? Hmmmmm.....
And if the government had run research on poliio
Submitted by TheHistorian on Wed, 05/25/2011 - 4:56pm.
The United States would be have the finest iron lung in the world.
The way to change the cost curve is not to put bureaucrats in charge. The way to bend the curve is to get the bureaucrats OUT of it. Dems dumped requirement after requirement into the health care plan to benefit the special interest groups. You libs own the health care bill; what we have seen in almost a year is no more coverage and a larger-than-normal cost increase in premiums.
And Dems took $500 Billion out of Medicare to try to balance this piece of garbage in cost. They only failed by a few trillion dollars.
Dennis Prager
doesn't matter
Submitted by jessieH on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 3:04pm.
I don't care who is President, I flat refuse to participate in anything un-Constitutional! They know where they can put their agenda.
Five posts so far on this thread, classicliberal---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 8:53pm.
and each one confirms your username as they are all full of liberal bullshit talking points.
That is all.
MD
writings of classicliberal2
Submitted by alvin on Wed, 05/25/2011 - 1:07am.
Terrific stuff - keep up the good work. Not much competition for you though. The responses of " liberal bullshit talking points", "they know where they can put their agenda", and "classic liberal stupid" must make you sigh at how easy it is.
alvin---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 05/25/2011 - 6:47am.
still an idiot, I see.
On a conservative site, it is exceedingly rare to find any comments by libs that are not ideological talking points.
That you are loath to admit that merely points out and underlines your liberal mindset and shallowness.
Putz.
MD
"It’s all nonsense." Charlie Cook
Submitted by Red Jeep on Wed, 05/25/2011 - 8:42am.
"In this Republican-leaning 26th District fight, there is one Democrat, one Republican and, oh, yes, a wealthy, abortion-rights, economic protectionist, former Republican, former Democrat, current tea partier, who ran for Congress in 2004, 2006 and 2008—spending a total of $5.2 million of his own money—and has already spent at least another $1.7 million in this race for Congress.
If anyone can find a race next year with a similar configuration, be my guest and apply the “lessons learned” from this race to that one. But implying that the outcome of this race portends anything about any conventional race next year amounts to cheap spin and drive-by “analysis” of the most superficial kind, which is sadly becoming all too prevalent in Washington. There are a lot of folks in D.C. who would be well-served switching to decaf." (Bold, mine.)
The meaning of this race according to Cook:
"For those who live outside the boundaries of the 26th District, the significance is this: If Democrats capture the seat, they will need a net gain of 24 seats to capture a majority and if Republicans hold the seat, Democrats will still need 25 seats. That’s it. Any grander conclusions are specious."
http://nationaljournal.com/columns/off-to-the-races/charlie-cook-beyond-...
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Where the media goes wrong is
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 05/26/2011 - 9:57pm.
Where the media goes wrong is in assuming they still control the narrative. They denied the Tea Party as a real grass roots effort up to and even after last November. They do, however, see it and are attempting to replicate it by pushing this.
Ronald Reagan