Pro-union Harper's Publisher Changes Tune as His Employees Unionize
If liberalism is more "academic" than conservatism, it's because it looks a lot better in a classroom (or a newsroom) than it does in real life. Just ask Harper's Magazine publisher John "Rick" MacArthur.
In a recent article, New York magazine detailed an ongoing fight at Harper's between MacArthur and his recently-unionized staff. MacArthur fought hard against unionization, and is now trying to lay off a veteran at the magazine who, according to NY mag, "played a key role in the union drive." The newly-formed union says the effort "is pure retaliation."
The irony of the situation has the righty blogosphere giggling: despite his vehement efforts to prevent unionization, MacArthur and his magazine have a history of supporting the labor movement.
NY magazine reported:
In a follow-up phone call, MacArthur told Rosenstein that he viewed the union as a “power play” by the staff. “He was very hostile,” Rosenstein told me. “He said people had lied and misled him me about the reason they wanted to form a union, and that the staff was angry about Roger Hodge being fired. This was about Ben Metcalf becoming editor and they were against Ellen.”
MacArthur contested the entire staff's right to unionize, arguing that editors and assistant editors who make up about half of the editorial team were management and thus did not qualify. Staffers couldn’t help but chuckle at the irony: The staunch defender of unions, who in a 2009 Harper's piece called the UAW “the country’s best and traditionally most honest mass labor organization,” was now on the other side of the table as the "worst kind of factory owner," as one staffer put it to me.
MacArthur hired veteran employment lawyer Bert Pogrebin, who had previously faced off against the Village Voice union, to negotiate on his behalf. In August, the matter was taken up by the National Labor Relations Board. Pogrebin tried to get many of Harper’s' editors, including Metcalf and senior editors Donovon Hohn and Chris Cox, excluded from the union on the grounds that were in management positions. In September, the NLRB ruled that Metcalf and the others could join the union. In October, the NLRB denied MacArthur’s appeal, and the union went ahead with plans to hold elections that would certify the union. Staffers put up signs around the office and a ballot box was placed in the conference room.
On October 13, the day before elections were scheduled, MacArthur sent a letter to the staff lobbying employees to vote against the union. “I confess that I remain confused about the goal of the people seeking union representation,” he wrote, “but I have to assume it has something to do with my firing of Roger, objections to my promoting Ellen over Ben, and general insecurity about the future of the magazine.” MacArthur wrote that forming a union “will not, as some have requested, give any of you a great voice in the selection of the next editor,” and added, “Certainly, the union will not be able to solve the financial problems of the magazine or get us more subscribers, newsstand buyers or advertisers. It will, of course, be able to collect initiation fees and dues from you.”
On October 14, staffers certified the union and formally joined UAW Local 2110.
MacArthur had lauded unionization in writings beyond the April 2009 article NY mag mentioned - which, of course, praised the same union, the UAW, that now represents Harper's employees. Two years earlier he bemoaned "the bipartisan bludgeoning of labor unions into nothingness."
(Harper's has generally been, editorially, a pro-union publication. The magazine's left-wing Washington Editor, Ken Silverstein, has written numerous articles extremely friendly to union interests. In one, he described efforts to defeat the Employee Free Choice Act as "the latest onslaught in a business crusade to destroy the labor movement" - hardly a neutral presentation of the issue.)
But now MacArthur is in the position of having to deal with some of the consequences of unionization, and all of a sudden the labor movement is not looking so helpful.
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Submitted by DumbCanuck on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:03pm.
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"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
You just have to believe in karma.
Submitted by Duff on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:15pm.
Aint hypocrisy grand!
The chickens have come home
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:19pm.
The chickens have come home to roost.A Rod Serling ending
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:23pm.
Nancy Pelosi has won awards from the AFL-CIO for her support of unions, yet the last information I saw indicated that there are no unions at either the winery or hotel that she and her husband own in California.
I hope they get unionized.
Smells Like Tuna
Submitted by SnapTie on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:47pm.
Nancy Piglosi fought hard for a waver on minimum wages for her husbands tuna cannery in America Samoa.She received it because most of the employee's were from Asia Countries.
Kill tuna, but go balls-to-the-wall to save the delta smelt,
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:02pm.
and end up destroying the Central Valley. That's the Patriotic Pelosi way.
May her vineyards suffer a major outbreak of canker over the winter and produce nothing but hog feed next year.
Heh, it's a different story when the shoe's on the other foot
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:27pm.
Too funny.
-Dave
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Good for them
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:29pm.
Good for the employees to fight for a union contract. Plan for a boost in quality of life.
It didn't do much for your quality of life, did it, Zippers?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:49pm.
Considering you're a "union man" and all, but still your whole life is centered on posting at NB. Despite your being castrated and banished to the ozone on a regular basis.
And keep filling in those subject lunes... you don't want any more potentially-cover-blowing slipups, right?
You have no idea
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:06pm.
Who I am.
Good. Try and keep it that way.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:18pm.
.
SoL---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:24pm.
Exceptionally nice job of busting One's serve.
MD
Hollywood Freakshow
Submitted by MrShy on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:17pm.
Still bringing home that hard-earned check every day dropping these oh-so familiar liberal turds on our beloved NewsBusters from 9 to 5?
Who wants to wager how long One lasts before he's targeted (oh gosh, sorry, no, wrong word!!) by the NB admins only to reemerge with a new sock puppet name?
You see, Dead One, some of us get things done and contribute to society.
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Hold the horses!
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:25pm.
That's not a real record.
One = Dead Zippers
Submitted by MrShy on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:41pm.
Now I know it's you.
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Shy he's exposed himself
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:48pm.
Shy he's exposed himself again, and it's not a pretty sight. He needs to zip up and zip it.
Rad79
Submitted by MrShy on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:53pm.
Yes, but I know now, for sure, that it's him after his reply... thanks to a little internet tracking magic. :)
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Shy
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 11:17pm.
Ah, I don't know those tricks, but I thought from the posts...Then when he couldn't resist needling you...I expect when the Vet catches wind of this the "One" will be in his sights and targeted for removal.
Oh Dead Zippers is on his way to being banned again.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 4:35am.
I have said it again and again. This guy is as stupid as they come. Only an idiot like this would walk into a Shy Trap so easily and with such gullibility.
All servers, including web servers, log connections by ip address. Example here.
We know from the blabbly troll that is Dead Zippers that he works at a children's TV Show in Hollywoodland and posts on a work computer during Pacific Time Zone business hours.
Mr Shy would simply check his weblog and run a reverse IP Address lookup such as the one here. He would be checking IP Addresses from the time of his post on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 7:17pm to the time of the Idiot's response (and acknowledgement he visited the site) at Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:25pm.
The IP Address is not that important. We want to know WHAT COMPANY it is registered to. Any IP Addresses registered to a Hollywood production company especially one involved in a CHILDREN'S TV SHOW. That is how the Stupid Butt Hurt Diaper Troll gets busted again.
Too bad Mr. Shy is such an ethical person, otherwise he might send an email to said production company and inquire as to why they allow their employees to make threatening posts (harassing women, threatening their children, harassing christians, harassing pro-life people, slandering everyone and his brother for years on end) on a website using their computers. Something that could get them in legal hot water mighty quick.
Or MrShy could give me the name. Dead Zippers has sent several dozen PM's to me under at least 4 of his banned accounts that would give any manager pause as to the sanity of his employee. It's cool ethicswise with me. I have one overriding ethic - to send trolls to troll hell where they belong.
Teh Vet Has Mail
Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 4:49am.
Disregard the map on the link I sent you. :)
My tracker showed this, btw:
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Number of views: 2
Last view: 7 hours ago (this was about 8:00 PM-ish)
The only other hit I got at that time was from Milwaukee, but it was too early, I think. This was him.
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Busted. Dead to rights.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 6:02am.
Told you guys. Dead Zippers is that stupid. 2 weeks and he all but wears a sign telling us he is the same idiot brain behind a new account.
Hey Dead Zippers, next time just call yourself something like It's-me-guttermouth or I-am-back-dead-zippers or guttermouth's-return, oops, yeah you did that one. Idiot.
Gasp!
Submitted by One on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 1:38pm.
You must have a very popular website. 3 clicks? I had to go to the site 5x myself since the link you posted was dead.
Whateer nwahs.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 1:44pm.
Looks like you can quit pretending to be a new user. Must have been tough filling out the subject line like one of us normal people. Gasp.
You, sir
Submitted by One on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 1:51pm.
Have poor internet blogging etiquette.
And you are a Stupid Butt Hurt 18 time retread troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 2:05pm.
You can quit pretending. You gave away your computer name, ip address, & your employer to people you have spent a year and a half harassing.. That is insanely stupid even for you.
IPs change all the time
Submitted by One on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 2:17pm.
From where I'm sitting I have 3 hotspots to connect to. I'm hardly concerned about my dynamic IP address getting out.
Yeah. That is what it is all about. How stupid are you?
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 2:34pm.
You connecting to hot spots, yeah. Yeah, hippiebear was the smart one. Idiot.
Pack Sand Dead Zippers AKA Guttemouth AKA Dead Kennedy AKA tougher mutt AKA stewMckin AKA arkansas zippers AKA nwahs AKA One AKA THE 18 TIME BANNED TROLL.
Apparently you forgot a few
Submitted by One on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 2:54pm.
Blablablather, Garlock...seems you think we're all the same person. Nwahs, balboa, arkansas zippers... looking through the history pages, I can only guess you're thoroughly confused.
Yes. I did forget a few.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 3:23pm.
Hot Germ Tutu
bert huggins
Why is a guy that has been posting for only a week suddenly familiar with every troll I talked to in the last 6 months?
LIAR.
There's a handy search function
Submitted by One on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 3:35pm.
And I couldn't help but notice you've been calling every liberal here by the same name. So I looked through your history and found a fine collection of verbal assaults on your behalf.
What a wonderful site I've discovered.
yes one, there's a handy search function*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 4:32pm.
It's called the DSM IV..Get some help deddy,, please
Ding Ding Ding Ding.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 1:07am.
Did I wander upon a troll quirk? Trolls post some of the most viscious lies, slurs, and slander on humans their tiny brains can come up with. They spew propaganda and call monkeypeople every name in the book including names of other monkeypeople.
We called trolls stupid, idiots, dolts, liars, sissies, cowards, and make remarks about their uggleness. It all bounces off that thick skull of theirs.
But call a troll by the name of another troll, THEY GO ABSOLUTLEY BONKERS. Look at this one above. I name his various old accounts, he shines. He beams. He is proud of his harassment. His ego glows. But call him the wrong name, nwahs, balboa, arkansas zippers etc. and his diaper fills and he starts furiously scratching at those red swollen diaper rash ridden nads of his.
It was the same thing with mamabear. Everything has been thrown at it for months now by all kinds of monkeypeople. But I call it Dead nwahs and it threw a hissyfit.
Might be on to a weakness in troll egos. Stay tuned boys and girls.
Another Dead Account (Very Soon)
Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 5:45pm.
Idiot. That "2 views" was you and the third mystery clicker was someone who visited my site around that same time, within 20 minutes or so. That's what those 3 are.
Idi - freakin' - ot.
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And he's outta here...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 8:08pm.
Bye Teddy, ADK, One, whoever else you claim to be. I'm sure we'll be seeing you around here soon, you just can't seem to let go of this place.
And another ONE bites the dust!
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 8:32pm.
-Access Denied-
:-)
Bet he comes back as TWO.
-Dave
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Dave, Rad79, Vet, MD, EVERYONE....
Submitted by MrShy on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 12:47am.
I'm the one that suckered him into my Shy Trap For Idiots.
Soooo... guess what? I think he went and "got his revenge" by posting a comment on my youtube page. Just scroll down, and he's the first comment. I'm 99.99999% sure it's him. User name is "finalpage", and the timing is just too much of a coincidence. :p
I returned a comment to his page, in kind, btw.
Oh, and, Dave:
Bet he comes back as TWO.
Brilliant! :)
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The loser never creates just one account.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 12:54am.
He creates them in lots. Look for another account that was created last September.
Shy---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 1:06am.
Given that all the comments were favorable, versus one nasty one, by George, I think you're right.
I know you're right.
Conservative, too.
Good thing we is bruthahs, cuz uthuwize it be evah so temptin' to calls you by da name Fly Trap now, ketchin' up on them insecks an' all.
My man Shy; ever the droll, but cool, troll catcher.
MD
Vet & MD
Submitted by MrShy on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 1:12am.
Here is what might be his blank, nameless, faceless youtube page (or one of them, at least.)
I also just noticed this.... Age: 40 (and that's about right, from what I've learned... last I heard, last year, he was in his late 30's, pushing 40 :p)
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And when you say
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:58pm.
"Plan for a boost in quality of life"
you mean watch Harper's go out of business soon.
Why is that?
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:07pm.
Does unionization kill big business?
Are you kidding?
Submitted by pockets64 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 5:41pm.
They not only kill "big business" but unions kill almost all they touch. Look at the problems California is having, look to our education system problems, look to the recent automotive manufacturing crisis, look to the problems the unionized airlines have had, look at the snow removal problems in NYC, look at the transportation problems in France.
Holy cow. the list is too long to get into here.
But you were only joking, right??
Beware
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 5:49pm.
pockets64:
Just like at the zoo, NewsBusters recommends you don't feed the wild trolls here.
BTW, some of them fling their poo, too.
Nice post
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:19pm.
Though you didn't mention a single local responsible for killing a business.
Because all unions are
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:27pm.
Because all unions are resposible.
Really?
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:35pm.
So the 15 million or so Americans belonging to labor unions are really just unemployed imaginers?
Actually, they're
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:05pm.
leeches sucking the life out of the host they've managed to cling to. I.E. GM, Chrysler, Penn Central RR, Conrail, Pan Am airways, American education(hah), the states of California, Michigan, Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania.
One unions kill business's
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 7:11pm.
My sister-in-law family had a auto parts wholesale company. They unionized. After about 15 years the wages and benefits for the unskilled union workers were so high the business folded.
Look at Bethlehem Steel. Union costs made it impossible for the company to invest in new technology. Bethlehem Steel is no more.
Wrong
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 7:32pm.
The entire American steel industry had been in trouble for several decades due to cheaper overseas manufacturing prior to the demise of Bethlehem Steel.
Bethlehem Steel was unionized in 1941 but only went bankrupt in 2003. In other words, which 15 years were you talking about?
Right
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 7:41pm.
What caused manufacturing to be cheaper overseas? Labor costs.
No comment on the unions destructive effects on small business?
Which is it?
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:22pm.
You stated in your previous post that the unionization of Bethlehem caused them to go under in 15 short years, which is factually incorrect.
Furthermore, do you really want to compare the American working man's wages to the slave labor emerging industrial nations can provide? It wasn't that the unions were asking for $20 an hour in 1979, it was the fact that overseas steel industries were getting labor at $1 an hour.
There are some very successful unions still functioning in the US, who work cooperatively with employers in thriving industries. Harper's is hardly a small business, and to predict the demise of the company at such an early stage is premature thinking.
Still cant get it
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:29pm.
It wasn't that the unions were asking for $20 an hour in 1979, it was the fact that overseas steel industries were getting labor at $1 an hour.
Ever heard the term: Shipping and Handling? Would you say steel is heavy, or light?
Also,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:36pm.
If labor cost is at issue, then why do foreign manufacturing Co,s move here? Just about every auto maker builds cars here, meanwhile were sending our's else where. What the difference? 3 guesses, the first 2 dont count
Because Americans want American-built cars
Submitted by pockets64 on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:12pm.
Kia, etc opened plants in their customer's back yard mostly for marketing, if memory serves.
Unions and thriving industries?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:56pm.
So if the union wages were $20 in 1979 that's equivilant to about $71 per hour in today's money. Pretty good for not having any education for that kind of money.
You've got to be kidding about unions and thriving industries. Manufacturing has been leaving the U.S. at huge rates, we are now a service economy.
From http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/04/05/366339...
And then it waned, dropping inexorably in rank, as U.S. industry in general grew and Bethlehem stalled or only sputtered upward. Later, disaster arrived: 15 years of losses, the first wiping out 1977, the others papering long stretches in the 1980s and 1990s. Even then, the losses understated reality, because for years the company's books--in line with practices throughout America--lowballed the costs of pensions and almost totally ignored bountiful health-care promises that the company was making to retirees.
Rad mentioned a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:33pm.
business other than Bethlehem Steel that went out of business fifteen years after unionizing.
Your thinking, One, is on a par with your reading comprehension.
MD
Wrong
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:34pm.
Bethlehen steel hasnt run in any capacity since the 70's.
The entire American steel industry had been in trouble for several decades due to cheaper overseas manufacturing prior to the demise of Bethlehem Steel.
Even while stumbling over the answer, you cant see it. Ever occure to you WHY B Steel could no longer "compete"?
Don't just make things up now
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:29pm.
The Bethlehem plant didn't shut down until 1995.
Did you think I wouldn't check up on that?
Comprehension
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:45pm.
Where did I say shut down?
Have you ever seen Bethlehem Steel, it used to be one of the largest employers in Baltimore, until the 70's. Ever see Baltimore in the 70's and 80's all boarded up? BTW, a big chunk of their buisness went down South and West, not just overseas.
Boudin
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:00pm.
I live near Bethlehem PA, where the steel began. I saw what happened and the behavior of the union locally. How they were more interested in time off, pay, and benefits, until the company was gasping it's last breath.
Do unions kill business?
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:03pm.
Well it seems that is the plan. Dont you find it interesting that the major spokesman for all unions is not interested in best interest of workers?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/union-boss-trumka-admits-main-goal-is-using-unions-to-fundamentally-change-america-into-his-progressive-vision-not-negotiate-members-salaries/
No, I don't find that interesting
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:33pm.
Because the head of the AFL-CIO is not the major spokesman for all unions, only those who fall under their umbrella, leaving some 5,000,000 union members without AFL-CIO representation.
As the position of AFL-CIO president entails, it is not a responsibility to negotiate member salaries, as that is the duty of each local's business rep.
One
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 7:06pm.
So please enlighten us, if the AFL-CIO president is not responsible for negotiating member salaries, just what does he get paid for?
Good Question
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 7:34pm.
Considering the organization oversees some 50+ US and International labor unions, his day to day duties are not on my radar.
Off your radar?
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:03pm.
Off the charts maybe. Tumpka has been to the white house 67 times in 2 years. He is big buddies with SEIU and ACORN corruptors, the Rathke brothers, who are currently organizing unions throughout Europe and India. When they have millions of Indians, Indonesians, and Europeans signed up, where do you think American union members will be on your totum pole for a better "quality of life"? Stop reading the union newsletter and study the real events going on behind the curtain.
If you can't say what his day
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:59pm.
If you can't say what his day to day duties are then don't presume to tell us what they aren't. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
A jab by Rad, a left hook by cajun, a right cross by Rad---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:36pm.
and One is on his kiester.
Down, but unfortunately, probably not out for good.
MD
Howard,
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:47pm.
(Cosell), if One gets up this time, the ref should definitely step in and stop the fight. He's out on his feet, and visibly in trouble, the only way he makes it to his corner is to crawl. And, there's just too much work for his cut-man this time.
Good description, UpNorth---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:17am.
Ol' One struts onto NB threads like he was entering the ring, verbally shows his liberal arse, and then thanks to deft work by some sharp regulars, is lucky to be able to crawl away.
MD
The goonions combined to kill Eastern Airlines dead, troll
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:11pm.
And pay attention to the cartoon at the top, as that demonstrates the goonion mentality better than anything else I could come up with.
They hung around Hartsfield for about six months after Eastern went Tango -Uniform, still carrying signs and bitching and moaning about an airline that was no longer around, because these uneducated morons had killed it.
But yeah, they sure stuck it to Frank Lorenzo, didn't they? They sure showed him.
Fact is, they didn't show him squat.
Funny thing was, no other airline here would hire them, as they weren't interested in hiring dumbasses that hated their employer enough to kill it.
My guess is, once their union benefits expired, they headed off for exciting new careers where they could say things like, "Would you like fries with that?" or "Fill 'er up?"
Unions exist solely for the purpose of wealth redistribution (the head goon at the AFL-CIO admitted that just the other day), which is really nothing more than stealing someone else's money who had earned it, and giving it to people who didn't.
No wonder unions are becoming extinct, as they lay waste to everything around them, even if they have to screw themselves in the ass to do it.
-Dave
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Whatever Hollywood Zippers.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:39am.
The 18 time banned user Hollywood Zippers was in Local Homosexual Day Labor #16 in Nevada where prostitution is legal.
Are you in a union?
Man
Submitted by MightyMax on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:30pm.
Karma (or irony) can be a real big B!%ch
LOL
I agree with Dumbcanuck...
Submitted by onewiseguy on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:30pm.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
The resaon they wanted to Unionize is obvious
Submitted by c5then on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:42pm.
The paper is run by a trerrible tyrant who drives his employees like slaves and pays them next to nothing. The magazine is in financial trouble obviously because that tyrant of an owner is misusing the funds and living a life of luxury all the while allowing his employees to just bately survive above poverty.
Watch...the union will fix everything and get the magazine back on a firm financial footing. Isn't that what unions do?
/sarc
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Union
Submitted by dmaley1714 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:47pm.
Liberals - union for thee but not for me, Pretty much how liberals see everything
Imagine that!
Submitted by Ashrak on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:48pm.
Rules for thee, but not for me.
There is a God. And, He has a
Submitted by johnsonl on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:52pm.
There is a God. And, He has a sense of humor.
Apparently, He also...
Submitted by KyWriter on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:12pm.
...dislikes liberals.
God's love
Submitted by One on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:46pm.
God loves all of his children, not just those on your side of the politics game.
Yes He loves us all, but some
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:31pm.
Yes He loves us all, but some are not His (not his) children.
Ok, I'll bite...
Submitted by Tenebrous on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:11pm.
What I know of God is that He's interested in behavior. If you were, say, to call something a "Free Choice Act" when it strips away the right of secret ballot, He'd call that LYING. If you were, say, to negotiate grandiose pensions, low work hours, and extravagant salaries, He'd call that SELFISH. If you were, say, to do all these things and then try to decieve others about the inflationary effect on goods and services and the fact that doing so makes American labor too expensive to compete, and slowly but surely drives companies overseas, again, He'd call that LYING.
It's not a political issue so much it is a truthfulness issue. You worship a god that supports lying to advance the cause. I do not.
Visions and Principles blog
"Fox News" Credibility Is On
Submitted by overthere55 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:22pm.
"Fox News" Credibility Is On The Decline! http://bit.ly/eSjSCa
PBS is trusted?
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:25pm.
you cite public policy polling, a wholly-owned subidiary of the democrat party? BwaHaHaHaHa!! NB is certainly attracting a lesser class of troll lately. And resurrected ones too.
ot 55
Submitted by jdlybrand on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 10:59pm.
"Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid"
John Wayne
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
I actually kinda feel for him
Submitted by richb313 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:22pm.
I actually kinda feel for him, well just a little. It is very hard when reality confronts a false world view. It can be very devestating on a deep level. I suspect however that his world view, however distorted, has been ingrained so deeply that he will just look on his situation as an aberation instead of seeing it for business as usual for unions.
When times are good if we do not like where we work we vote with our feet and simply get another job. Today many people are just glad to have a job and will put up with a lot more abuse. Unions would help if they actually had the interest of thier members at heart, but as we have seen unions only care about more money and more power for the union. If they truely had the interest of thier members at heart they would bend over backwards to help companies survive and all the jobs with them.
LOL!!!
Submitted by ConservativeHokie on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:31pm.
This made my day!!!
It does NOT
Submitted by The_Barrel_Guy on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 5:18pm.
get any better than this =8-)
While The Iron's Hot
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 5:28pm.
Another Liberal mugged by reality.
Alert the GOP to send out an RNC carry card and contribution form.
#1 said what I was going to say
Submitted by pockets64 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 5:45pm.
Almost to the word, DumbCanuck stole my comments.
dmaley1714 beat me to the punch...
Submitted by ConservativeHokie on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 5:59pm.
...my thoughts exactly!
Unions destroy everything they touch.
Submitted by Cyborg 0427 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:53pm.
Just look at where the jobs have gone. Answer, where the unions are not.
Yep! Unions destroy*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:41pm.
UAW spent $80million of members dues to get Obama elected. He then forces GM, as part of their bailout, to give half a billion to build a manufactoring plant in MEXICO!
This administration, through massive regulatory changes, are forcing business delays and destroying growth in all industries. Now the Unions are DEMANDING jobs.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/union-protesters-overwhelm-security-and-barge-into-banking-meeting/
cajun
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:45pm.
Does One remind you of anyone? A recently banned poster with multiple accounts maybe? Or is it just me?
Rad,
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:30pm.
LOL - After nearly half a decade around here, they all start to run together.
I used to try and keep them all straight, but I decided about two years ago it was no-longer worth the effort.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Hard to say Ms Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:51pm.
Some trolls have this thing about fat people, some like profanity, some hate women, most of them hate Palin. The only significance between them is they change their post names. I leave it to Captain Troll Hunter to identify these liars then wait for her to call in the troops...LOL
The whole troll thing makes
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:38pm.
The whole troll thing makes my hair numb. I don't understand why people around here get into arguments with obvious trolls. It plays right into their hands. If ignored, they will get bored and go away. Nor do I see any honor in supposedly being able to "expose" trolls. Trolls are not exactly subtle, are they?
Oh sorry,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:57pm.
One=Troll
I didnt know it was official.
MB as annoying as the trolls
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:57pm.
MB as annoying as the trolls are, if their arguments are not broken, people like Olberman could cite comments on NB that were not disputed, leading people to think they were fact. That is why I comment.
No MB*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:52pm.
They are not subtle. They outright lie, spew their sto' bought talking points and leave those posts here at NB. Thousands of people "view" the articles at NB but are not "commenting members". There are some assertive and proud members at NB that do not want lies, profanity, and inciteful remarks left here for occasional viewers which is exactly what the trolls DO want. Trolls annoy me but as you, I generally ignore them. But to those NBers who chase the vampires with hammers and wooden stakes, kudos to them all.
Liberal trolls tell what---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 11:08pm.
they believe is their side of the story, but the story is told how they want it told, and their overall schtick, while not only reeking of dishonesty and falsehoods, if not called out, would fester interminably on these threads for all to read as though everything said by them was acceptable, because it was not countered by conservatives here.
That type of inaction, a failure to contradict, was precisely why the reputation of Bush 43's administration went downhill so rapidly.
If you accept an ounce of BS today, they will be back tomorrow with a pound, and subsequently, with tons of it.
Letting the troll(s) ramble, rant, and rave, without any reflection or rebuttal whatsoever from our side, may well result in the ruination of NB's AND conservatism.
I give you, as an example of not taking up the cause, argumentatively if necessary, the sorry state of the media today because of liberals having their uninhibited say for so long.
MD