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'Study' Claiming Fox News Viewers 'Misinformed' Is Fraught With Errors

By Lachlan Markay | December 20, 2010 | 17:19

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For the past few days, the far-left Fox haters have been using a study by the University of Maryland's World Public Opinion project to claim that FNC "mis-informs" its viewers. There's nothing particularly novel about the claims, but some lefties are apparently under the impression that this study lends academic weight to their deranged hatred of everything Fox. It does not.

Let's start with the study's broad disclaimer, which should have (but so far has not) dissuaded the Fox haters from their rabid attacks. The study's findings (pdf) plainly state:

…misinformation cannot simply be attributed to news sources, but are part of the larger information environment that includes statements by candidates, political ads and so on.

Anyone who thought calls to refrain from extrapolating some condemnation of specific media outlets from this study would deter liberals from doing just that clearly has not dealt with the Fox-haters before.

Baltimore Sun media critic David Zurawik expanded on the problem with singling out Fox, or any other news organization, using this study's findings:

Most of the fact-based questions about whether certain programs were started under Bush or Obama were, in fact, the very subject matter of political attack ads. And it would be no surprise to find that far more of those ads aired on Fox, since it is by far the highest-rated cable news channel with the biggest audience. And the channel is watched by many independents and people who are likely to actually go to the polls and vote. I read nothing in the report that addressed that possible misreading of the data -- that the "misinformation" came from the political ads viewers saw on Fox and not from Fox editorial content.

These issues of course did not stop liberal blog after liberal blog after liberal blog from piling on, with equal parts righteous condemnation and jubilant "told-you-so" snark.

But there are plenty of problems inherent in using the study as a cudgel against Fox beyond the specific, direct warning to not do so, and the problems inherent in ignoring that warning. Chief among them is the study's strange means of deciding what is true.

Guest-blogging for Patterico, Aaron Worthing examined one such example:

But the hilarious part is that the authors of the study themselves are misinformed. For instance, their first question is this “is it your impression that most economists who have studied it estimate that the stimulus legislation: A) created or saved several million jobs, B) saved or created a few jobs, or C) caused job losses.” The first option is marked as correct.

WPO's "evidence": The Congressional Budget Office "concluded that for the third quarter of 2010, ARRA had 'increased the number of full time-equivalent jobs by 2.0 to 5.2 million compared to what those amounts would have been otherwise.'"

But there are two problems with that. First, um, we are going to trust the government to estimate the success of the government on this? Really?

Second, that utterly fails to relate to the question, which is whether a majority of economists who studied the question believe this to be the case.

And that question - whether a majority of economists agree with some contention - is a strange way to phrase it. Johnny Dollar explains:

Any time you ask about what ‘most economists’ believe, you aren’t really asking for facts or data. You’re asking someone to know the result of some survey--like an episode of Family Feud.

Furthermore, CBO's numbers have no basis in reality, as I have reported a number of times before. They are based on models that assume stimulus spending will create growth and employment, and hence the success of this particular stimulus package is predetermined. So if the idea is to reveal who is more attuned to reality, the CBO numbers are irrelevant; they only exist on paper, and have no real bearing on the success of the ARRA in creating jobs.

The blind faith the study puts in CBO's numbers suggest that it is quite eager to pass them off ipso facto as truth. That says a lot about WPO's perspective on the issue, and their politics generally.

The study makes a similar move with regard to the CBO score on ObamaCare's effect on the deficit. It parrots the numbers CBO released just before ObamaCare passed in March showing deficit-neutrality, but neglects to mention that those numbers pegged the law's 10-year cost using only 6 years of expenditures.

Rep. Paul Ryan dismantled the budgeting gimmick beautifully during the health care "summit." Former CBO director Douglas Holtz-Eakin blasted the "fantasy" numbers, and claimed the law would add $562 billion to the deficit. Even Democratic Senator Max Baucus admitted that the bill's cost was roughly 250% of the CBO score.

So the WPO study once again cherry-picked the numbers that would produce the "truth" best suited to bashing Fox News. For a study ostensibly concerned with "misinformation," the WPO is certainly peddling its fair share.

Zurawik picked up on this trend as well. "[T]he definition of a respondent who is considered 'informed,'" Zurawik wrote, "is essentially someone who agrees with the conclusions of experts in government agencies."

So, presumably, if you were to disagree with such top economic experts in government as Timothy Geithner or Larry Summers, you would be labeled as misinformed. If you dared to disagree with those experts in government who say that the Wall Street bailout was absolutely necessary and that the takeover of GM was desperately needed and that healthcare reform will actually be good for the economy -- you would be labeled as MISINFORMED...

Or, think of it this way: If this survey had been conducted when George W. Bush was president and his wall of "experts" in "government agencies" were working overtime to sell the New York Times on the belief that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, you could have been "misinformed" if you said there were no such WMD's in Iraq. M-I-S-I-N-F-O-R-M-E-D. Agency experts did, after all, say the existence of such weapons was a fact.

Beyond the problems with the supposed-"truth" of specific questions, the question selection was itself stilted against Fox, as Johnny Dollar noted:

When you touch on 11 issues, most of them about ‘misinformation’ from the right, with only one (re the Chamber of Commerce) about ‘misinformation’ from the left , you are going to end up with many more cases of ‘right wing’ misinformation, skewing the result. Why no questions like: Were the Bush tax cuts primarily for the wealthy? Or: Does the middle class pay the majority of federal income taxes? By making most of the questions about one variety of ‘misinformation’, the study insured that more ‘misinformation’ would be found among viewers of that persuasion.

After all this, it should come as little surprise that WPO receives funding from a variety of hard-left organizations, such as the Ploughshare Fund and the Soros-backed Tides Foundation.

And it should be even less surprising that despite all the inaccuracies, omissions, and distortions in this study - despite even a direct warning against using the study to condemn single media outlets - it's been received by a frenzy of Fox-hatred from the left.

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Lachlan Markay is an associate with Dialog New Media. Click here to follow Lachlan Markay on Twitter.
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The poll is from a Soros

Submitted by Thoreau on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 5:26pm.

The poll is from a Soros funded organization.  Nothing to see here but a sociopathic commi.  Move along.

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Danger Will Robinson, Danger

Submitted by KyWriter on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 5:41pm.

Fox News? Tea Party? Sarah Palin? Between now and 2012 I expect a huge increase in documented examples of spontaneous human combustion among liberals.

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Lost in Space

Submitted by jdlybrand on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:13pm.

"CANUS STUPIS. CANUS STUPIS."

Robbie the Robot

 

"What a revoltin' development this is!"

Chester Riley

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Oh, YAY!!!!!

Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:52pm.

Oh, YAY!!!!!

That's just my opinion; I could be wrong. -- Dennis Miller
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Is it wrong........

Submitted by almostacowboy on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 5:53pm.

.....for me to laugh while reading this article? This poll was so pathetic......."If you agree with me, you're smart and informed. If you disagree with me, let me show you some numbers I just wrote on this piece of paper. See? I just proved you're dumb and uninformed."

It reminds me of an old Bob Saget joke - "I read that it's possible to milk a dolphin. Really! I wrote it down, then I read it."

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Stimulus - no tax cuts

Submitted by forest on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 5:55pm.

The stimulus did not include tax cuts.  that's a fact.  It included "tax credits", which are not the same thing.  In fact, Making Work Pay tas credit pays credits to people who do not make enough to pay federal income taxes.  In those cases, it is more like "welfare" than a "tax cut" which can only apply to those who are actually paying taxes.  Nice trick to get welfare rebranded as "tax cuts", but I'd definitely call it "misinformation".

Some of the circumstaces of Obamacare have changed too.  222 exemptions issued to various big companies.  How's that impact the bottom line?  And the presdent himslf has said he wants to revoke the new 1099 rules that were somehow supposed to raise something like 16 billion for the program.   maybe they should use up to date information instead of a ridiculous old guesstimate that was based on a bunch of bunkum.

We've lost close to 3 million jobs since the stimulus was enacted, and the uneployment rate has gone up several percent.  Obama said the law would have an "immediate impact", and unemployment was not supposed to go over 8% and was forecast to be 7% by now.  It's almost 10%.  And people who say it didn't create jobs are the "uninformed" ones.  Right.

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making work pay

Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:13pm.

Actually, it went to a lot of people that do make enough to pay taxes on.  Now they are saying that some 13 million people will be getting the "bill" for that next year.

Here's one reference to it, but you can search for it using the same title, just that it came from the ass-ociated press.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/13M-get-unexpected-tax-bill-apf-514145692....

Nice, huh?

-Jon

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Yep, I'm aware that it went

Submitted by forest on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 9:08pm.

Yep, I'm aware that it went ot both taxpayers and non-taxpayers, but it's just not a tax cut.  It's a payment.

It's similar to Bush's "stimulus" awhile back when they just cut checks to everyone.  Except the Democrat were smart enough to dress it up like a "tax break", when it is really just transfer payments from the government to individuals - like Bush's stimulus.

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ANOTHER Fox thread? Yeeha!

Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 5:56pm.

What a day! To certain trolls, this is even better than extolling the virtues of deviant sex.

Dig right in!

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Well played, SoL

Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:02pm.

Now we need a couple of Palin threads, and troll heaven will be complete.

Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)

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B: So far, it's working

Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:33pm.

But I can sense him circling way up there... a feather just floated down.

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So now we know who the truly

Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:01pm.

So now we know who the truly misinformed are.

In this case, it is the ones who conducted the study, and those who belive it.

 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!

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"...now we know who the truly misinformed are."

Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 7:01pm.

And I didn't even need to read the study to know that's a fact!  After all, I am a regular viewer of Fox News.  And even if I weren't, the second I saw it posted on the Huffingtonpost I knew it was bogus.

That's just my opinion; I could be wrong. -- Dennis Miller
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My Conclusion the Same

Submitted by scarebear83 on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:04pm.

This is basically the same thing I came to the conclusion of when a friend on facebook posted the study on Friday. I told them that if we base this study off of what the government tells us then what would they say if this study was done under the Bush years with weapons of mass destruction? At least this proves that we can think for ourselves even if we do come up with the same conclusion ;-)

"... they slash prices, drown in their sorrows, punch buttons, and kill time. I won't tell you what they do to eggs. They blow up photos, hang plants, crash at a friend's place and then when they're done arguing they bury the hatchet." -Mork
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Sigh....

Submitted by tampamom25 on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:20pm.

Another liberal idiot, quoting a foolish poll based on faulty questions....and the point of it all is that if people hear a lie often enough, they believe it's the truth.  Never mind looking for facts, so and so did a study on it, so it MUST be true.  Since liberals have no valid/rational arguments for any of their positions, they have to lie and be convincing about it:o(  Either that or get really loud and call names, then bring up the race card....

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This is like those "studies" the lefties used to puke up all the

Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:41pm.

...time about America's talk radio listeners - about how we were all a bunch of knuckle-dragging cave-dwellers, who beat our wives with clubs, and were not worthy to breath the same air they did.

Of course, the exact opposite was the case, as I am sure it is here.

There is nothing intelligent about statist, Marxist, commie fascists, which is who is behind this so-called "study," and who are just sore that Fox doesn't cover up for the left's tyrannical aspirations as the MSM does.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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Brahahahahahahahaha

Submitted by MacWell on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 6:47pm.

I can't believe I ate the whole thing! So, Fox News lies?, yeah, but not ABC NBC CBS, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, NPR, no, they are the pillars of virtue. The main stream is the only place to get the truth? Awe, I can just feel the tingle down my leg when I don't watch all of the other (real) news channels. Thank you, all you lefties who are afraid of Fox and the truth for enlightening us with this study. I'll have to ponder it for awhile... OK, done pondering, I'll stick with FOX thank you.

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The really sad part about

Submitted by redmike on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 8:09pm.

The really sad part about this story is that some moron going to the University of MD is probably working up a Ph.D. on this trash.

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The first question. How many jobs were saved or .. saved

Submitted by Gary Hall on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 9:26pm.

The first question.

“is it your impression that most economists who have studied it estimate that the stimulus legislation: A) created or saved several million jobs, B) saved or created a few jobs, or C) caused job losses.”
 

I ponder once again:

"how many jobs were saved by the Bush tax cuts following the economic crisis he inherited: A) 20 million,  B) 150 million, or C) 14 million?

Just curious. Isn't it funny that the naional MSM is not?

(;~? gary

 
 

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gah

Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 10:11pm.

21 THOUSAND comments at HuffPo??? Talk about yer red meat!!!

The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Ronald Reagan
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A Note on the Question of What is "True"

Submitted by JakeMo on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 10:58pm.

I read this silly study just for grins.

If you enjoy laughs, check out the section of the study titled "A Note on the Question of What is 'True'"

This entire study was really just a game of "Guess what I'm holding behind my back."

They might as well have asked, "What is Richard, er, Rachel Maddow's favorite color?" If you fail to answer correctly, you're counted as "uninformed."

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Not a computer science person, but GIGO....

Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 11:02pm.

...still stands for "garbage in-garbage out".

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The Majority of Economists Are Idiots

Submitted by John Galt1776 on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 11:22pm.

The only economists worth reading and listening to are Austrian economists.

http://mises.org/

 

How Much Faith Should We Put in Keynesian Models?

Mises Daily: Monday, December 20, 2010 by Robert P. Murphy

Jim Manzi has been challenging mainstream economists to defend their models, which tout the benefits of fiscal and monetary "stimulus." Manzi has repeatedly asked why he should put any faith in the predictions of these models. read more…

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Misinformed about the facts

Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 12/20/2010 - 11:31pm.

Misinformed about the facts as the LEFT would have us informed. I keep saying again and again: the media has tried to create a virtual alternate reality where liberalism works, conservatism doesn't, the third world is noble and right, the US (under conservatives) is wrong, etc. etc. That some of us aren't buying their version of reality makes us "misinformed" in their eyes. So, the "brainwashing" will continue until everyone is a liberal...

Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error"
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Balanced Questions?

Submitted by adamjw2 on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 12:14pm.

These questions are so aimed at making Fox look bad, it's ridiculous.  

Where are the questions about if Bush blew up the levies?  or 9/11 truther questions?  or If there has been any warming in the past 15 years?  or If Don't Ask Don't Tell means that gays can't serve in the military?  or If health insurance companies are making obscene profits?  

This is obviously a skewed poll.  

Another flaw, even if this were a fair poll, with equal questions to each side, don't these specific questions only prove that Fox News viewers are more distrustful of the government?  You don't need a poll to find that out.  

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Agitprop Pollsters, Journalists, and George Soros - Oh My!

Submitted by stratman on Wed, 12/29/2010 - 8:13pm.

From BigJournalism.com ... doing the job the MSM tries so hard not to do:

 

  • Debunking That Study on ‘Mis-Informed’ Fox News Viewer
  • Alternet: Soros-Funded Study Says Fox Viewers Are “Stupid”
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