Joy Behar Hosts Truther Jesse Ventura to Decry 'Spineless Puke' Bill O'Reilly's 9/11 'Hate Speech'
For Joy Behar, saying Muslims killed Americans on September 11, 2001 is "hate speech," but saying the American government did it is perfectly acceptable and well within the bounds of civil discourse.
That, at least, is the standard she set forth yesterday, first throwing a temper tantrum on "The View" when Bill O'Reilly noted the religious identities of the 9/11 terrorists, and then calmly sitting down to discuss the incident with 9/11 truther Jesse Ventura.
"I question 9/11, I got a conspiracy theory." Ventura made sure to note at the outset. "So who's to say [Muslims] actually did [perpetrate the attacks] or not."
Behar's response: "Well that's another thing, yeah" (video and transcript below the fold - h/t Allahpundit).
BEHAR: Today on "The View", Bill O'Reilly had a real pinhead moment. First he said a mosque should not be built close to ground zero here in New York, and then he said this.
[Clip from "The View"]
I was really angry. I got angry. I saw O'Reilly, I thought he was saying something that i construe as hate speech, frankly. I'm joined now by former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura.
It upsets me as you can see because I really think that to say Muslims killed us on 9/11 is like - you could say that about any group. To lump an entire group like that.
VENTURA: And,Joy, to say that to me, I question 9/11. I got a conspiracy theory. Sho who's to say they actually did or not?
BEHAR: Well that's another thing, yeah.
VENTURA: Let me say this about the mosque. Excuse me. The constitution says they can do it. It ends there. You cannot subject the constitution to a popularity poll. The constitution is there, joy, to protect unpopular speech. Popular things don't need protecting.
BEHAR: Do you think that is hate speech or is it free speech when somebody says something like the muslims killed u on 9/11?
VENTURA: Well, it's a fact.
BEHAR: Isn't it provocative?
VENTURA: Sure it is. But, you know, to me it - i don't really consider it hate speech. You know? If it's truly the truth and it's facts and facts are facts. And whether they make you uncomfortable or not, that's you as an individual.
BEHAR: Well he would say they were facts. That was his answer to us. And that they -
VENTURA: But the point is it doesn't matter because the Constitution says they can do it. Now we're going to change the Constitution according to Bill O'Reilly's opinion or 70 percent of the nation's opinion?
BEHAR: Is it 70 percent? He cited a poll.
VENTURA: So what?
BEHAR: But it's possible this type of speech is what's provoking people to say things like that.
VENTURA: Maybe. Even if it is, no matter, I'll repeat again, the Constitution and Bill of Rights are there to protect unpopular things, not popular.
BEHAR: So when he apologized, he did apologize for it, I don't know, did you see the apology? I thought it was grudging but he did it. What do you think about him?
VENTURA: He's a spineless puke.
So let's get this straight: correctly identifying not only the religion but in fact the motivating ideology of the 9/11 hijackers is "hate speech" (Behar's words), but suggesting that the U.S. government was complicit in the murder of thousands of its own citizens is, what, a legitimate point?
Viewers are left wondering whether Behar is in fact a truther herself, or simply so viciously hostile to conservatives that she will dub a center-right position "hate speech" while overlooking a repugnant, wackjob conspiracy theory simply because the person espousing it agrees that Bill O'Reilly is a "spineless puke."
In addition to giving her audience a glimpse of the true depths of her hypocrisy, Behar also demonstrated just how uninterested in rational conversation she really is. She apparently thinks stating uncomfortable facts should be proscribed. But calling an intellectual opponent a "spineless puke" is apparently unworthy of a dramatic, angry exit.
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Comments
On one show....
Submitted by notinstl on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 10:54am.
a gas-bag and a douche bag.....well done HLN!!!!
I was thinking more of a
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:08am.
I was thinking more of a classic case when two fools met.
Behar and Ventura: bucket carriers for the camel-washers
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 10:59am.
-DaveVote for the American in November
Japs killed us on Dec 7th
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:04am.
Japs killed us on Dec 7th 1941 and Muslims killed us on Sep 11th 2001. Period. No racism or hate speech involved.
Muslims and "Japs"...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 4:07pm.
In that case I guess we should have rounded up all the "Japs" living in this country at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack and locked them up. Er...on second thought, that's exactly what we did. So, in that case, I guess we should have sent the Marines into the internment camps and exterminated all the "Japs", inasmuch as the hatred for Americans which had its roots in the militarist extremists in Tokyo must surely have been shared by all Japanese wherever located.
Jer
Not the case with the Japanese.....however, the Muslims are
Submitted by nonncom on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 4:30pm.
under the same mindset world wide....we are infidels to them and must either convert or die....therefore, to round them up and exterminate them may indeed be in the best interest of all...your idea, I just ran with it....
That's some mighty impressive
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 4:40pm.
That's some mighty impressive running, young man. Are you an Olympic marathoner by chance?
;-)
Jer
Hate speech
Submitted by tampamom25 on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:11am.
Liberals never consider anything they say to be hate speech. Behar just thinks she's right, so it's okay to say anything she feels like saying. Typical liberal ruling class mentality. I'm still trying to figure out how Behar went from a third class commedian to a talk show host, a sad commentary on American entertainment. For all her talk about tolerance, she showed herself to be intolerant when she and Whoopi walked off the stage.
Muslims admitted to the
Submitted by rbosque on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:23am.
Muslims admitted to the attack, are proud of it, and threaten to do it again! But these fools insist otherwise, these people are nuts!
Are they working on making
Submitted by nicksmith112 on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:22am.
Are they working on making this new design of Newsbusters friendly to Firefox users.
HELP!!!!!
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
I use FF
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:29am.
and it's not that amusing. a bit different but it's eh, ok.
Perhaps Blohar could explain
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:25am.
why muslims were dancing in the streets around the world on 9-11-01
Jesse "the butthead" Ventura
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:26am.
A conspiracy theorist with no source of realization to any of it. The few of the shows he did looked like a scripted side-show for barnum and baley's circus.
keep on showing your true colors and ignorance sitting with a d-bagging skank like Behar.
She only had a little over 400K viewers the other night. How does that make you feel.
"spineless puke"... BOR needs to invite him on his show and see what he says then. That would be need to see entertainment.
Joy is soooooo obnoxious. I
Submitted by Seashell on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:30am.
Joy is soooooo obnoxious. I don't understand how anyone can find anything uplifting or enjoyable about this show she has on HLN. For the record, I think SHE'S a spineless puke.
Of course if BJ Clinton had been prez on 9/11,
Submitted by no tingly legs on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:32am.
any talk of a government conspiracy would be heresy for the likes of Behar.
Two Issues
Submitted by Gat New York on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:36am.
Gat*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:12pm.
I agree with both of your points. BOR has in the past discussed the GZ mosque issue at length with many guests on his show. There are many issues to discuss in that debate and it would have been interesting except for one minor point. BOR WAS ON '"THE VIEW"!~
I have a conspiracy
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:46am.
I have a conspiracy theory. Jesse Ventura is the result of an experiment to combine the DNA of Bennedict Arnold, Aaron Burr, and George McClellan./// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Now
Submitted by ripper58 on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:47am.
there is a MENSA meeting if I ever saw one...Joy the "Brainless" and Jesse the "Boob"
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an appropriate place for Governor Turnbuckle to spew
Submitted by wizardjr on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:55am.
A tenth rate governor goes on a show with fewer viewers than any show on the Cartoon Network and tries to get face time and street cred as a truth teller...... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ROFLMAO!
How's all that workin' for ya Jesse?
Great. Another 15 minutes for Jesse.
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:29pm.
Jesse, go back to Mexico until it's time to stick your head out again in time to publicly "consider" whether you will run for President in 2012. That'll get you another 15.
Jesse embarrassed himself as governor, and continues to embarrass himself now. That is, if he is capable of embarrassment, which I doubt.
I have lost all respect for Ventura.
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:01pm.
I used to respect him because of his retired SEAL status and then when he was elected Governor of Minnesota as an Independent.
But hearing some of his ideas lately, I think that he's gone off the deep end without a wet suit.
To deny that it was radical Muslims that attacked the US on 9/11/2001 is a form of national suicide. Not acknowledging your enemy makes it almost impossible to fight. I find it disgusting that an ex-SEAL is advocating not responding to the enemies of this country and the Constitution that he swore to uhold and defend when he took his oath.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
my comment above
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:13pm.
was going to actually say the same thing, but i decided to leave it out.
Ventura is a disgrace to the military... how's that!
Did either of you guys live
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:37pm.
Did either of you guys live in Minnesota when Jesse the Whine was governor?
He whined his way through his term. He ingored the local reporters who held him accountable and gravitated toward the national press who fawned over him. In a budget dispute, he closed the Governor's mansion and fired the staff.
Not a lot to respect, IMO.
MB
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 3:16pm.
The corp I work for has plants all over the place and Minn. is one of them. I would talk to some of the sales/marketing guys there and that's what they would say... along with a few other choice words.
He is a thin-skinned worm looking for his 15 seconds of shame. Worst part is those 15 seconds aren't ending.
Except, it wasn't radical muslims that attacked us...
Submitted by ThisnThat on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 1:27pm.
It was muslims. Period. Everything makes them mad. Including:
The only "moderate" muslims are those that blow themselves up, rather than blowing others up.
__________
Make sure no one tells obama what comes after "trillion"
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Ventura
Submitted by buddyc on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:08pm.
Ventura like Arnold and McCain are publicity whores. The media smiles at them and they bend over. They will say anything to get the mug on the camera. All Ventura has to do is criticize Arnold before Arnold became irrelevant or criticize republicans/conservatives.
O'Reiley is an idiot to go on the view. They hate him. Is selling a few books worth demeaning yourself to hang out with those hasbeen hags? How pathetic.
Behar is not worthy of comment.
Frankly I am beginning to
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 2:51pm.
Frankly I am beginning to wonder how much of Ventura's stuff is kayfabe. It would not be surprising to find out that he has been playing a role to promote his TV show just as he did in his wrestling days. Ventura is an old-school kayfabe wrestler.
O' Reilly stated the truth,
Submitted by scarebear83 on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:11pm.
O' Reilly stated the truth, that a large portion of Americans disagree with the mosque.... that being said, disagreement does not constitute as someone denying them the right to do so. Most Americans are saying, it's a slap in the face and we would like it if they moved it. But of course the left will misconstrue merely disagreeing with a point of view as something that is a vast right wing movement to overtake the United States and to bring back slavery and a time when those "evil" Christians were in power...
Muslims don't kill people...
Submitted by stage9 on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:23pm.
"radical muslims" kill people. Have you ever noticed that muslims are always "moderate" until they murder someone, and then they mysteriously become "radical"?
Liberals are too stupid to undertand that muslims were ALWAYS radical, because their demonic "religion" teaches radicalism.
Liberals seem to only equate radicalism with al qaeda and the taliban. The others who commit honor killings in Texas and in Georgia, kill soldiers outside of a military recruiting center in Arkansas, murder soldiers at Fort Hood, and attempt to bomb an aicraft in Michigan are just "disallusioned" moderate muslims.
Wake up America, islam is coming to America, ready or not, and liberals are aiding and abetting them.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
He gives Navy Seals
Submitted by WhoIsJohnGalt on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:30pm.
a bad name.
Good grief
Submitted by StarAZ on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:54pm.
What charmers.
"...is it free speech when
Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 1:31pm.
"...is it free speech when somebody says something like the muslims killed u on 9/11?
VENTURA: Well, it's a fact."
So, this whole "conspiracy theory" of his is just the crock everyone suspected it was. Okay then.
It's not a crock. The
Submitted by pwoz on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 1:53pm.
It's not a crock. The truthers want to expose the globalists who are destroying our country and funding terror while stealing all the money.. any charges of "inside job" in terms of actual gov't officials is bunk
Most truthers don't question
Submitted by pwoz on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 1:40pm.
Most truthers don't question who attacked us on 9/11.. they question who REALLY funded them, as well as who really funds them throughout the world. It's pretty obvious.
So were the planes that
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 2:48pm.
So were the planes that crashed and murdered thousands of people hijacked by Lutherans? By Jehovah's Witnesses? By Buddhists?
No, they were hijacked by Muslims. And it is documented they did it for reasons directly tied in with Islam. Those are the facts, Behar & Goldberg. You may want to be politically correct and bury your heads in the sand so you won't be bothered with the cold, hard truth that O'Reilly proclaimed that Muslims murdered thousands on American soil on 9/11.
There are none so idiotic who try to deny documented facts.
To people like Joy Behar, it
Submitted by Smartypants on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 3:26pm.
To people like Joy Behar, it is a criminal offense to make a generalization about Islam based on the behavior of a few "radicals". Yet, Behar makes crass generalizations about Republicans, conservatives and anyone who disagrees with her myopic world view on the basis of less evidence than that. Let one Republican politican step slightly out of line, and this woman and her ilk run off at the mouth spewing venom at all Republicans. Everything that comes from her pea brain is some kind of idiotic generalization rooted in intellectual quicksand. She has no ability to discern right from wrong, up from down, in from out or any other basic direction. She has no business passing judgement on anyone for any reason.
Behar Has To Be The Dumbest Woman In America
Submitted by DaMama on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 3:41pm.
How anyone could say that "Muslims killed Americans on 9/11" is hate speech? Everyone is this country knows and has probably seen the videos these terrorists taped stating that they were doing this in the name of Allah. Allah is only worshipped by Muslims.
Behar is one of the most stupid and foolish people to walk the face of this earth. How she can say these things and live with herself is beyond all reason. She is a liar, a bully and a fool.
Ventura is also a brainless twit. While I respect his service to our country as a Navy Seal, and a civilian, he's a washout. The guy is just dumber than a bag of hammers.