This hardly going to get the alarmist to admit the truth.  In fact, this is going to get them to attack the "skeptics" even harder and with more vigor.  There's way too much money and power involved (just look at Al Baby).

We (the raitional thinkers) need to keep pushing back, if not harder.  Truth is our only guiding light here...

It does not matter if we ould or can prove that the entire AWG movemnt is a scam the beat goes on. The stage is set for massive amounts of Government Intervention and for the One World Govt. Types AWG is the gift that keeps on giving. Instead of slowing down the meeting in Coppenhagen in which nothing was seen to be coming out of it will I predict instead lead to new and more restrictive treaties which will be quickly ratified by the Senate. They will not let this opportunity to meddle in everyones lives go away.

The same way that Healthcare will pass regardless of what all the pundits say Govt. always wants more Govt. Always.

Skeptics include liberal intellectuals.

Meet an skeptic - a denier of eminent proportions; physicist Freeman Dyson, professor Emeritus of Physics at the Institute for Advanced Study, in Princeton, is a fellow of the American Physical Society, a member of the US National Academy of Sciences, and a fellow of the Royal Society of London. Dyson has been awarded 21 honorary degrees from universities like Georgetown, Princeton and Oxford.

And did I say that he's progressive? Can you hear the stampede of the little feet of the liberal media running to schedule an interview? He is a staunch advocate for distribution of wealth - not just here in the US, where he believes capitalism, is simply bad, but in global redistribution of wealth. My goodness how will be be able to comply with all the media demands?

Oh 

He also has a keen interest in this debate on global warming. Yes Virginia, there is a debate.

One would think that the MSM would be fawning all over him; inviting him to offer up his two cents on the issues here. Why not? On the topic of Global Warming alarmism, Dr. Freeman stands with the science of science, rather than the hypothetical politics of science:

"The fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated," Dyson wrote in his 2007 book "Many Colored Glass: Reflections on the Place of Life in the Universe." Dyson focuses on debunking climate models predictions of climate doom: "They do not begin to describe the real world that we live in. The real world is muddy and messy and full of things that we do not yet understand. It is much easier for a scientist to sit in an air-conditioned building and run computer models, than to put on winter clothes and measure what is really happening outside in the swamps and the clouds. That is why the climate model experts end up believing their own models." 

From an interview with Charlie Rose in 1999:

Rose: You're not surprised that communism failed, are you?

Freeman: Yes! I am surprised. I did not expect that. I think that few of us did. ... but still people did take care of each other..

The MSM is not lined up to listen to this intellectual talk about global warming and the rush to pass cap and trade? The MSM will not allow an intelligent informed conversation to take place if and when the intelligent person is a "skeptic." Well.. these just captured e-mails and conversations amongst the alarmists community may show that they may not actually believe their own models - ya think?

The NYTimes Magazine, in yet another rare look at a skeptic, previewed Dr. Dyson earlier this year in a piece called, "The Civil Heretic." A few excerpts:

Among those he considers true believers; Dyson has been particularly dismissive of Al Gore, whom Dyson calls climate change’s “chief propagandist,” and James Hansen, the head of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York and an adviser to Gore’s film, “An Inconvenient Truth.” Dyson accuses them of relying too heavily on computer-generated climate models that foresee a Grand Guignol of imminent world devastation as icecaps melt, oceans rise and storms and plagues sweep the earth, and he blames the pair’s “lousy science” for “distracting public attention” from “more serious and more immediate dangers to the planet.

“Al Gore’s just an opportunist. The person who is really responsible for this overestimate of global warming is Jim Hansen. He consistently exaggerates all the dangers.”

"The warming, he says, is not global but local, “making cold places warmer rather than making hot places hotter.” Far from expecting any drastic harmful consequences from these increased temperatures, he says the carbon may well be salubrious — a sign that “the climate is actually improving rather than getting worse.."

Any wonder why the MSM doesn't have this "idiot" up in the discussion of what we should not be doing right now?

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<p>So the Washington Post characterizes publication of unreleased documents as an "attack"  That must means that each one of WaPo’s publications in the 60's and the 70's must have been acts of war by WaPo against the American people.  </p><br /><p>This release by a hacker is far more justified than any of those WaPo publications were back then.  This documents an ongoing fraud, a crime in progress.</p><.p>Back then, WaPo and Jack Anderson, publishing got three million people killed and the Pentagon Papers were not first hand source documents but the musings of some pencil neck geeks who should not have been hired to start with or paid given the poor quality of their work   </p>

and THEN bitch and moan you are being attacked.

This is a classic criminal kabuki. Scream and holler but don't disprove the other guy. Scream and holler but don't provide your alibi (the actual data sets and algorithms). Point the finger at just about any passer-bye. Etc., etc., etc.

The reason this stuff was jacked is that they have been stonewalling FOIA requests for years now. The reason was readily figured out when no one else could reproduce their outputs. It's much like the cherry picked tree ring data that used one tree out of hundreds of trees sampled in order to get data that supported the stupid AGW hoax.

Now we find out they are trashing the emails, etc. which is strictly against the law. I guess that only applies to us.

  Science is about looking at the world and saying I think X may be happening here and then setting up a system whereby X can be proven. Then going before your fellow sceintists and saying that yes X is indeed true. And presenting them with the reproducable sequence of events that can prove X is true.

  Climate change was always about plugging a bunch of numbers into a really big computer.

Numbers that cannot be completely known as true. (Temperatures prior to accurate termperature taking) (Weather stations that are too close to manmade structures such as asphalt parking lots)

Numbers that cannot ever be known as true (output from the sun)

Numbers that cannot possibly be forseen (volcano output)

Numbers that were not forseen but should have (melting ice would open up new areas of the ocean to act as carbon sink)

Numbers that can still only be guessed at (There is still an unknown carbon sink on the planet. Something is sucking up CO2 and we have no idea)

Crappy formulas that turned everything input into a hockey stick.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.