On last night's "Rachel Maddow Show", the New Yorker's Seymour Hersh commended President Obama for taking the reins in Afghanistan. Hersh stated that Presidents must decide their own war strategies. But in the early stages of the war in Iraq, Hersh was a leading critic of similar actions by the Bush administration. Hersh's hypocrisy suggests he is more concerned with the political implications of military policy than strategic ones."Lincoln did not let McClellan write a report on how to win a war against the South," Hersh told Maddow, in reference to Gen. George McClellan, initially the top general for the Union during the Civil War. Hersh was offering a historical perspective on why Presidents should not rely on military commanders to form strategy--McClellan was a disastrous general, after all (video embedded below the fold).
The comparison seems reasonable--if a bit cynical--but it turns out that Hersh offered the same historical comparison in denouncing then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for going over the heads of military leaders in forming the strategy for the invasion of Iraq.
Rumsfeld’s personal contempt for many of the senior generals and admirals who were promoted to top jobs during the Clinton Administration is widely known. He was especially critical of the Army, with its insistence on maintaining costly mechanized divisions. In his off-the-cuff memoranda, or “snowflakes,” as they’re called in the Pentagon, he chafed about generals having “the slows”—a reference to Lincoln’s characterization of General George McClellan. “In those conditions—an atmosphere of derision and challenge—the senior officers do not offer their best advice,” a high-ranking general who served for more than a year under Rumsfeld said...Hersh had stern criticisms for the Bush Administration when it disregarded the considered opinions of some of its most senior military advisers. He even quoted Rumsfeld complaining that top generals were the George McClellans to Bush's Lincoln. But this comparison did not elicit the sympathy for Bush's attempts to take the reins in Iraq that Hersh shows Obama's efforts to go over Gen. McChrystal's head.
Gradually, Rumsfeld succeeded in replacing those officers in senior Joint Staff positions who challenged his view. “All the Joint Staff people now are handpicked, and churn out products to make the Secretary of Defense happy,” the planner said. “They don’t make military judgments—they just respond to his snowflakes.”
"Obama is putting his foot down, and that's great. He's making a political gamble in a sense. It's a little too early to say, but he's grabbing it. He's grabbing it, and he hasn't been grabbing it until now," Hersh told Maddow.
Hersh's narrative is this: Obama is trying to wrest control of the war from military advisers who won't offer candid advice. Rumsfeld, on the other hand, simply purged the military of anyone who would not sign off on the administration's policies.
In both cases, as in the Lincoln-McClellan paradigm, the executive seized control over military operations from the top generals. In Obama's case, Hersh thinks it's "great." In Rumsfeld's, it signified a failure "to anticipate the consequences of protracted warfare."
Hersh supports Obama's attempt to circumvent high-level military commanders because he agrees with the president politically. As one of the most prominent critics of the Bush administration's military policy, however, Hersh did the best he could to portray the same policy he now supports as reckless disregard for the opinions of military experts. The double standard is glaring.





















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Taking the reins???? What
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 17:03 ET by motherbeltTaking the reins???? Puttin his foot down???
What is Hersh smoking?
After all this dithering on Afghanistan policy and troop levels and all the studies by who knows how many people, I saw today on CNN at the bottom of the screen that the CinC is "not pleased" with any of the proposals he has received!
So what now, back to the drawing board?
Obama's got the two best US
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 17:11 ET by eaglewingz08Obama's got the two best US generals giving him the same advice. He's got the top NATO generals giving hims the same advice as the top US generals. He's got the heads of France Germany and Poland giving Obama the same advice as the top US Generals. He has Hillary also on the side of all of the above. And against that staggering military consensus he has Rahmbo the ballerina and Biden the Village Idiot. And Obama sides with the ballerina and idiot. I don't know which is more deplorable that the same folks who called Gen. Petraeus, "Gen. Betrayus" are calling Gen. McChrystal, "Gen. McClellan" or that the POTUS who has not even run a lemonade stand, agrees with the latter.
As predicted,
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 18:04 ET by boomerconAs predicted, once again Barry votes "Present".
Yeah
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 17:17 ET by Quasi-socialistObama's saying, "I'll waffle when and where I please!"
He's patiently waiting
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 17:21 ET by KC MulvilleObama is waiting for the "option" where the experts magically explain how we win without any loss of life, where the Taliban and al-Qaeda surrender, Pakistan and Afghanistan become Disney parks, and everyone loves Obama. Until then, he wants them to go back and think it over some more.
It's kind of like slapping the side of the computer when it isn't working the way you want. Sure, that'll work.
He had
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 17:28 ET by UpNortha summit in May, addressing the Afghan-Pakistan "problem". Aside from the fact that this guy really has a lot of "summits", from beer to jobs to fiscal policy to whatever, I thought, given that nothing was said to the contrary, that they had settled on a course of action. I guess not. Now, he's off to Asia, maybe for a saki summit, or a sushi summit?
This guy sure does love to fire up AF1 and take off, for dates, dinners, theater, the Olympics, apology tours, maybe someone could remind him that there are troops dying and they would like, you know, a decision on whether he values that, or they're just interfering with his health care plans.
In conclusion
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 17:10 ET by Tugboat PhilHersh commented, "I never thought so many of us could fit into Obama's backside."
Gun Control - The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
Lincoln's issue with
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 17:25 ET by BuffNBoneLincoln's issue with McClellan was the general's continuing reluctance to engage his opposition until he had absolute numerical superiority. At one point, Lincoln asked if he could borrow the Grand Army back since it didn't appear that McClellan intended to use them to fight. While McChrystal, on the other hand, has asked for more troops, the ones he has are actively engaging with the enemy.
All this diddling about giving the McChrystal the requested troops plays into the enemy's hand because it shows a lack of resolve. If it could be supported logistically, giving McChrystal double his request might the best thing to do.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
I'm no fan of
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 17:49 ET by JerI'm no fan of McClellan--this was a general with the stunning effrontery to once arrive at his home to find President Lincoln waiting in the parlor only to retire to his upstairs bedroom and go to sleep--but he did rely upon the spectacularly erroneous estimates of Alan Pinkerton which placed Lee's troop levels at approximately 300,000!
Jer
Nice point Jer
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 19:37 ET by Captain KirockPeople forget about the disinformation fed to Pinkerton's gang, which led to Little Mac being so timid on the Penninsula and elsewhere.
Of course, Little Mac completely flubbed Antietam, when he knew Lee's plan, had Lee backed up against the Potomac, and could clearly see with his own eyes that Lee did not have 300,000 men.
True Captain Kirock, but
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 20:02 ET by Jerthat staggering blunder was at least partially offset by the fact that Lee knew that McClellan knew and was able to adjust accordingly, thus preventing Antietam from being a crushing, unrecoverable defeat for the Confederacy rather than a bloody stalemate.
Jer
Who runs a war?
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 19:45 ET by RHawkinsDoes this dimbulb think that Lincoln was in the field directing the actions of his generals? A president should give guidance, provide his troops with Rules of Engagement (ROE), and then let them do their job. I keep asking myself if I imagined hearing Obama say that he had a well planned strategy for the war some months ago. He put his man in charge of it having, one would think, given him the objective and ROE. The military leaders job is to then tell his boss what he needs to complete the mission and then set about doing it. If the military leader fails to do what he was told, remove him and put someone else in charge. Sh!t or get off the pot. Turn the professionals loose to do what they know best or bring them home.
I honestly don't care...
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 22:40 ET by Patrick MichaelI honestly don't care if BUSH DID EXACTLY THE SAME THING (which he didn't) but what difference does it make? This is not about Obama and it is not about Bush and it damned sure is not about Lincoln. It is about our soldiers in the field. I have not agreed with Bill O'Reilley a lot lately, but there is much to be said for his position of saying that if he was President he would send the 40,000 troops while telling America, I'm not sure if this is the right answer, but I would rather err on the side of caution for our soldiers sake and then admonish the government of Afghanistan that they needed to clean up their action in order to enjoy our continued support. I have a hard time finding a problem with that strategy.
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I agree compleatly Patrick
Thu, 11/12/2009 - 22:46 ET by general companySend the troops, while working your plans. I remember the Dems ridiculing Bush when the vendors could not make enough bullet proof glass and Hummer armor fast enough. Give em what they need!!
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