Media Gush Over Chief Justice 'On the Side of History' With 'Clever Lawyering'
During NBC's noon et hour special coverage of the ObamaCare Supreme Court ruling, Nightly News anchor Brian Williams declared that Chief Justice John Roberts sided with liberals on the Court in upholding the unpopular law in order "to be on the side of history." Legal analyst Savannah Guthrie praised Roberts for having the wisdom of King Solomon: "I guess you'd call it a Solomonic decision." [Listen to the audio or watch the video after the jump]
During special coverage on ABC, correspondent Terry Moran touted the ruling as "a clever piece of lawyering by the Chief Justice," explaining: "...the government can tax you if you don't buy insurance, it can't order you to buy insurance." World News anchor Diane Sawyer chimed in: "So you pay the fine if you, in essence, don't pay that tax." Moran laughably replied: "You still have a choice."
Speaking to Williams on NBC, Meet the Press host David Gregory confirmed the "historic" description of the decision: "...re-examining the legacy of Chief Justice John Roberts. I've spoken to conservatives today, Supreme Court lawyers, who say there will be a prevailing view that he got intimidated by the Left, that he wanted to be on the right side of history, as you suggested before."
Here are portions of the June 28 NBC coverage:
12:14PM ET
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BRIAN WILLIAMS: And Pete, it's notable that the Chief Justice, there's an expression that these chief justices often want to be on the side of history, so that in big rulings, they want to be in the majority and not in the dissent. And that's what happened today.
PETE WILLIAMS: Well, he was clearly in the majority. So that means he assigned the opinion to himself. It's interesting, obviously, this – this dispels any notion that this was going to be one of those decisions that divided along strictly partisan lines, on the usual 5-4 split. It was a 5-4 split, but not the usual way.
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12:27PM
WILLIAMS: David Gregory watching all this from Washington. David, how does this change the discussion at your famous table on Sunday morning?
DAVID GREGORY: Well, you know, I'm focused on the politics and the palace intrigue. I know you're keenly interested in both. I mean, the discussion we have on Sunday, what I think will be a discussion all week, is how this plays into the presidential race. This issue is not going away. You heard it from Governor Romney, Republicans want to repeal what they call ObamaCare. That's going to be a big issue. As Savannah mentioned, the tax question, now that becomes part of this debate.
But there's the palace intrigue, and that is re-examining the legacy of Chief Justice John Roberts. I've spoken to conservatives today, Supreme Court lawyers, who say there will be a prevailing view that he got intimidated by the Left, that he wanted to be on the right side of history, as you suggested before. And that he gave this nod to the Right by saying, "I agree with you. It can't be upheld under the Commerce Clause. We can do it under Congress' taxing authority." There'll be a lot of debate about just what his role was in this case as we move forward.
WILLIAMS: And Savannah, they do call it, for good reason, the Roberts Court. This bears your stamp, this bears your imprimatur, just like the Warren Court for so many years.
SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: Well, he put together this majority opinion, but it's a deeply fractured court. Yes, he sided with the liberals in his decision. But the liberals said that Congress had the power to do this under the Commerce Clause. And in some ways, it is a – I guess you'd call it a Solomonic decision. This Chief Justice Roberts trying to walk that line. In the end, the act is upheld, but for jurisprudence going forward, for other cases that examine the power of the federal government, that age-old question that our founders grappled with, the Chief Justice comes down on the side of his fellow conservatives. It's a big, heavy opinion we have right here. And we'll all be studying it for a long time to come.
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Have your giggle fest.
Submitted by johnsonl on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:47pm.
We'll see who's crying the blues in November.
Roberts
Submitted by HudsonRiverGirl on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:57pm.
Roberts is the left's b*tch now.
Exactly, it doesn't matter
Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:37pm.
Exactly, it doesn't matter how conservative he is from now on, he blew the one that mattered. This was a once-in-a-century decision, and when it counted Roberts abandoned his principles to get caught up admiring his own convoluted reasoning. I'm embarrassed for him. Or I would be if it wasn't the nation that had to pay the price for his idiocy.
Faux Paladins: Vote in November
Submitted by libBuster on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:42pm.
Roberts did espouse a principle -- that of the ballot box. He did not see it as the Court's role to preserve civil society in the face of electoral majority that swept progressives into power. .
He as much as stated if the people don't agree with the law, go to Congress, don't use the Court as a fix-it. In that sense the decision is "conservative". The Court should not be the political last stop.
Conservatives must prevail at the ballot box and win the battle of ideas. The Court is not the Republic.
All of that was unrelated to
Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:49pm.
All of that was unrelated to whether the law was unconstitutional, which was his only job. The fact that he went on a completely unrelated rant is even more proof to me that he was trying to justify a wrong decision. If he felt he ruled correctly on the constitutionality of the law there would be no need for him to cover his a** by preaching about the ballot box.
Roberts Eviscerated the Law
Submitted by libBuster on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:20pm.
Roberts has eviscerated this law. States can now opt out of the new Medicaid. I suspect most, (except for New York and California) will opt out. That leaves ObamaCare with a hole as BIG as the individual mandate.
Roberts did not right a legal decision. It was a political writing worthy of Machiaveli or Bismark.
Vote in November to finish the job.
I'm not buying it. You're the
Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:30pm.
I'm not buying it. You're the only one I've heard who is this optimistic about the Medicaid portion of the ruling. If Roberts really wanted to eviscerate the law he would have just ruled the mandate unconstitutional.
Use Your Enemies Energy Against Hiim
Submitted by libBuster on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:04pm.
It may be that Roberts is ten steps ahead of every conservative instead of in lock step with the liberals. Without the Medicaid portion, there is a hole in ObamaCare as big as the loss of the individual mandate. It was a twist no one expected. Political brilliance.
As leftists take high fives on NBC, conservatives are even more energized. Vote in November and ObamaCare will go away. The Republic depends on us, not a President or a Justice of the Supreme Court. .
Well I'm still not buying it
Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:05pm.
Well I'm still not buying it but your conspiratorial optimism is amusing me and therefore cheering me up. : )
Just Vote in November
Submitted by libBuster on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:31pm.
You don't have to buy it and I am glad I'm cheering you up. We need strength and fortitude for the coming months. What's important is that all of us vote in November for candidates who can fix this mess.
In the meantime, thanks to Justice Roberts, Romney can now credibly say that Obama has put forward the largest tax increase on the working poor in American History.
Don't focus your energy on Justice Roberts. All of us should move on from Justice Roberts and be inspired to work to elect candidates who understand the meaning of a civil society.
Completely Missing the Point
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:33pm.
You are completely missing the point. What happens in the November election is irrelevant. As I stated in another thread, we can vote out every liberal in the White House, House of Representatives, and Senate, repeal Obamacare, and it still wont matter. Legal precedence has been set that will allow our government from this day forward to tax its subjects for inaction. That has far reaching ramifications that noone yet fully appreciates and is not going away... not this November or any other.
Precedent yes, practical now
Submitted by libBuster on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:44pm.
Yes, he did create a precedent. But politicians are loathe to raise taxes. There was a good reason why Obama did not call the mandate a tax. Taxes are very very unpopular.
So now all who seek control economic behavior will have to tax us. They can't hide any longer and use subterfuge. Far from destroying the Republic, he has told the public to hold your politicians accountable.
Do you live in this country?
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:47pm.
Because it sure seems like your understanding of American history began this morning.
Total Crap
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:30pm.
That's total crap. SCOTUS justices, especially the Chief Justice have one job and one job only - to determine if a situation is constitutional. They are most definitively NOT responsible for playing legal or political chess. Twists? Political brilliance you say? He's not writing the screenplay for a friggin' movie. He made the wrong call, plain and simple. Even if you are correct in your assertion, what you are describing is political activism which makes him just another judicial hack.
The Court is a Political Body
Submitted by libBuster on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:39pm.
The Court has become a political body and Roberts both realizes this and regrets it. His opinion was more political writing than legal scholarship. Yet Chief Just Roberts is capable of first rate legal scholarship. So why did he do this?. The reason is politics and preservation of the Court.
A 5-4 opinion striking down the mandate would have painted a target on the Court and given Obama political advantage. If the mandate had been struck down, leftists would be telling underprivileged people that Roberts and Romney want to take away their health care.
Instead Roberts, got a 9-0 majority which said the Individual Mandate violated the commerce clause. That's remarkable.
Please channel any anger you may have toward Roberts into action at the ballot box in November. Ultimately, it is better that the people and not a Court decide the future of the Republic.
What?
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:42pm.
What are you talking about??? The SCOTUS is not a political body. They have life tenure so they don't have to bow to political pressure. And what are you talking about "painting a target on the SCOTUS?? People will say they took their healthcare? Who cares if they say that? They sure don't seem to care that people are saying they put this country on a non return trajectory toward socialism!
And like I said above, what happens in November is irrelevant.
And by the way - Roberts isn't remarkable but your twisted view sure is.
Sorry these are "polical decisions"
Submitted by libBuster on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:52pm.
When dealing with politically charged constitutional issues the Court has assumed the role of blocking back for Congress, making the political decisions Congress cared not to implement or take heat over. . Often the Contituional principles are not clear or are ambigous. Arizona v United States is a much a political decision as a legal decision. So was Miller v Alabama. A pure judgment call. Could have gone either way.
The Court needs to get back to dispute resolution and out of the political business. I think Roberts tried to say that in his opinion.
Since FDR the Court has been forced to act as a polical body with disasterous results. Roe v Wade is the quintessential example. Gay Marriage is another pollitical time bomb for the Court.
Done
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 8:02pm.
Why do you assume SCOTUS has assumed the role of running block for congress? They are under no responsibility to do so. They can't lose their jobs or be replaced because of their rulings. What you are describing is judicial activism. I'm done with this. You are like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.
Yeah, he's reading WAY too
Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 8:17pm.
Yeah, he's reading WAY too much into this. SC Justices are big boys and girls, if they have an opinion they rule on it, not sneak around some back door. Roberts would have ruled the mandate unconstitutional if he wanted to get rid of the law. He screwed us but good, and he is a disaster.
Tell me about it
Submitted by ckc1227 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 3:12am.
"And by the way - Roberts isn't remarkable but your twisted view sure is."
He makes it clear with every post that the democrat party isn't the only party with its share of mental patients.
It's more like you pulling nonsense out of your rear
Submitted by ckc1227 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 3:07am.
I"t may be that Roberts is ten steps ahead of every conservative instead of in lock step with the liberals. Without the Medicaid portion, there is a hole in ObamaCare as big as the loss of the individual mandate. It was a twist no one expected. Political brilliance."
Give us a break. If he rules the law unconstitutional as he should have, Obamacare and the Medicaid portion goes away, and we don' t have to settle for holes. The only thing dumber than Robert's ruling is your attempt to justify this bogus decision by creating a ridiculous conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.
"Vote in November and ObamaCare will go away."
Want to bet? There is virtually no chance Obamacare goes away, even if we win in November, which frankly isn't likely anyway. First, we have to pick up 6 seats MINIMUM in the senate because neither of the Maine sisters will vote to repeal. Realistically we'll need more than that because at least 1 or 2 more RINOS will join them. So let's make it 8 seats. Good luck with that. We also have to hold the House, which is likely, AND win the White House, which is a toss up at this point. And even THEN we have to hope Romney isn't the progressive squish everyone knows deep down that he is.
Yes, what political brilliance. Thanks to the "political brilliance" of John Roberts, Obamacare is officially the law of the land, and is most likely here to stay.
Not the usual way
Submitted by Model850 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:49pm.
It was a 5-4 split, but not the usual way.
Translation: It was a 5-4 split but it went our way so it's not the hack decision we were all afraid it was going to be.
And Roberts decided the way he did so he could be "on the side of history?" If true, shame on him. That's a damned weak stance to take on something as important as this decision, and he really is a hack if that was his reasoning.
I wonder: Will Obama give the negatives to Roberts now that this decision is over?
Exactly: http://www.slate.com
Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:45pm.
Exactly:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/scocca/2012/06/roberts_h...
Stupid logic
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:06pm.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: And Pete, it's notable that the Chief Justice, there's an expression that these chief justices often want to be on the side of history, so that in big rulings, they want to be in the majority and not in the dissent. And that's what happened today.
PETE WILLIAMS: Well, he was clearly in the majority . . .
??? Let's do the math.
Had Roberts joined the 4 conservative justices to shoot Obamacare down, then they would hold the 5 to 4 majority, and the Chief Justice would be not be in the dissenting side but rather the "right side of history" and still get to write the majority opinion.
Which ever way Roberts ruled, he would be in the majority.
Not surprisingly, Williams and Williams try to sound insightful and fall short.
Roberts
Submitted by JustAl on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:39pm.
My one word reply to all of those who've insisted that we libertarians need to abandon our principles to vote for whichever watered down liberal "moderate" the GOP nominates "because of the effect on the court".
I've written in Ron Paul for
Submitted by alberta43 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:01pm.
I've written in Ron Paul for the past two elections and will do the same in November. Romney or Obama? Two peas in a pod, both owned by the UN and the NWO.
makes perfect sense
Submitted by ckc1227 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 3:22am.
I guess we should just let liberal democrats win and hope they nominate conservative justices instead. I'm sure that's what Kerry would have done had he won in 2004.
By the way, I've got another word for you....Alito....you know, the guy who actually voted the right way, and who usually does.
No
Submitted by JustAl on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 8:46am.
We should stop rewarding the GOP for business as usual so we get a conservative candidate, let them loose until they deliver.
Party Loyalty
Submitted by JustAl on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 9:19am.
. . . is not a principled stand. Robert's vote is the same regardless of which party the liberal president who appointed him was from. Scott Brown's votes are the same regardless of the little letter next to his name. The caucus system needs to be overthrown so we can get candidates with principles instead of just the patience to wait in line.
The only true hope for the Republic (what's left of it) is if the convention cracks and we get a noteworthy candidate nominated from the floor; Allen West puts the rest to shame in my opinion.
Supremes Okay More Fascism In Amerika
Submitted by donabernathy on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:49pm.
hey, all you repuke supporters - recall voting for Bush because he would give you so-called "conservative" justices.
Yea, well, you can now give Justice Roberts your daily BJ with his "vote" for imposing those shackles on you.
Have fun swallowing.
roflmao
Yup
Submitted by ckc1227 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 3:25am.
We should have taken our chances with Gore or Kerry instead.
Wrong Again
Submitted by JustAl on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 9:20am.
We should have set the GOP in it's place by electing Perot.
not an individual mandate any longer
Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:06pm.
We've got to stop calling it what we've been arguing, that of the 'individual mandate'. The mandate dissappeared and in it's place is a tax increase. obama's tax increase.
So now we should only refer to the Supreme Court as upholding obama's largest tax increase in the history of the country.
here's what candidate obama promised in 2008.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HE-rGGKksQ
Buy insurance, pay no tax.
Submitted by Shreve on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:20pm.
Buy insurance, pay no tax.
meanwhile in the real world....
Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:39pm.
That all sounds so simple but think real hard and guess why many people do not have health insurance. stubborness? Nope. They can't afford it. obamascare does not make insurance cheaper. At present the fine is far cheaper than insurance, so yes for millions they just had a big tax increase.
In other words
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:41pm.
Put the shackles around your own neck and hand government the key.
No thank you.
Your simplistic view
Submitted by Unsilent_Minority on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 12:18am.
May be correct on the surface, but ignores a few facts. My insurance premiums will skyrocket by necessity, as I will no longer be assigned to a low-risk pool because of my relatively healthy lifestyle but rather be forced to help pay for those who are either unhealthy overall or are conveniently exempt from this monstrosity. I may not be paying a new tax, but I will be paying more money and that's the bottom line.
Simplistic
Submitted by Model850 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 2:59pm.
"Buy insurance, pay no tax."
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
Buy insurance = more money out of the taxpayer's pocket, sent to the insurance company.
Pay the tax = more money out of the taxpayer's pocket, sent to the government.
What's the cliche? Oh yeah: Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
As far as the taxpayer being forced to pay more than they did before, insurance premium or tax makes no difference. It's pretty much a Hobson's choice.
And by the way, I'm unemployed and I pay for an individual health insurance policy now, so it's not like I have a particular ax to grind here.
what Roberts did
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:40pm.
beyond the specifics of upholding Obamacare, what Roberts has done is establish a new and very dangerous precedent that the government can impose a tax on its citizens for not doing something. This now means that the government is not bound by anything, but can tax for anything that it wants to.
if the government wants to boost so-called green energy, they can impose a tax for not installing solar panels on your roof. They can impose a tax for not owning an electric car. In the interest of National Defense they can impose a tax for not owning a gun.
The long standing idea that we have a limited federal government has been killed and burried by justice Roberts and he has handed us the prospect of unlimuted government which can tax anything and everything.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
June 28, 2012: Today the
Submitted by alberta43 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:57pm.
June 28, 2012: Today the United States of America passed away. What a great country she was, a land of opportunity and justice for all. She will be greatly missed by the patriots that so loved her.
That's a little too much on the melodramatic side of history
Submitted by 4for4 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:07pm.
It's health care. Your fellow Americans. Not the unborn embryos and fetuses whose inevitable abortions will keep you up at night, but affordable health care for Americans. Americans. Americans. Americans. Americans.
Health care for Americans. Your fellow man. Play God somewhere else. Humans deserve life, and YOU'RE NOT GOD!!!
??
Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:12pm.
You must be on the wrong thread. We are discussing obamacare here and it has nothing that will making healthcare affordable. it only adds the government.
How DO you figure that?
Submitted by 4for4 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:15pm.
I'm hearing the opposite.
costs cannot come down
Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:20pm.
There is only one way to lower the cost of healthcare... rationing. By increasing the amount of insured people the number of people seeking healthcare will increase the burden on an already heavily loaded healthcare industry. Rationing and long waits are just around the corner.
If that's what you're hearing,
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:08pm.
you really need to walk away from the occutards, Kos, DU and PuffHoes.
UpNorth, if this drip
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 12:53am.
UpNorth, if this drip actually BELIEVES ANYTHING that comes from Boy Baraka's lying purple lips, then we're wasting our precious time and energy even bothering with him.............there IS such thing as a 'lost cause', and these days, this poor country if full of them!!!
The last thing that I believed, coming from Boy Baraka, was that he was going to 'fundamentally change this nation'. Oh, yeah, and 'don't get between Mooooooooooooochelle and a tamale'.....................
The GAO
Submitted by Unsilent_Minority on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 12:24am.
Has already determined that this bill will add to the deficit and not do a thing to make healthcare more affordable. If you honestly believe that adding more people to the already cash-starved and debt- exploding programs of Medicare and Medicaid will reduce the deficit and make healthcare more affordable, then you need to have your head examined. It's an impossibility.
WHERE exactly are you hearing
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 8:32am.
WHERE exactly are you hearing that?
Do tell.
Must be one of the voices in its head
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 9:10am.
I think there are four of them.
Not the "Wrong Thread"
Submitted by JustAl on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:42pm.
Maybe the "Wrong Meds"
Sorry but only an idiot would think that getting the government more involved in ANYTHING would make it "more affordable". It's simply laughable.
The username 4for4 stands for the number of ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:00pm.
times this particular lib troll has been wrong when opining on four separate thread subjects.
MD
The Progressives' Plan B
Submitted by nanoflex on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 8:56pm.
Roberts is, today, regarded by the Progressives as a wise and careful jurist.
Had he ruled against obama,
Roberts would have been described as a right wing judicial activist.
Chief Traitor John Roberts
Submitted by John21 on Fri, 06/29/2012 - 8:24am.
Chief Traitor John Roberts has begun the loss of American freedoms. He has decided that big government is more important than personal freedom. He has created more dissention in the legal system than clarification.
The logic in his decision paper is badly flawed and will cause more legal case law arguments because of his failure to at least attempt to provide a realistic guidance or logic in this decision.
I do not know the cost of a Chief Justice but I am sure the DNC has written the check and Judge Roberts cashed it yesterday and betrayed the American people in doing it.
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“Few men have the virtue to withstand the highest bidder.” George Washington
Obviously the Chief Justice is not one of them