NBC's Mitchell: Does Middle Class Wealth Loss 'Justify' More Stimulus?
In an interview with Republican Pennsylvania Senator Pat Toomey on her Tuesday MSNBC show, host Andrea Mitchell attempted to use a new Federal Reserve report showing massive wealth loss for the American middle class to promote President Obama's agenda: "Does that, in fact, justify what the President has been saying...about the need for more help and the need for more stimulus?"
Toomey dismantled that argument: "The problem is the President's program has been making it worse. The President got the big stimulus bill that he wanted.... the economic growth is so feeble that we're not even creating enough jobs to meet the demands of the new entrants in the work force....Unfortunately, the President wants to double down on all the failed policies that he's been pursuing."
Not pleased with Toomey's response, Mitchell pushed back: "Of course we should point out that that Fed report only went through 2010. So it doesn't even bring us up to date. So we don't know what the data are from the last two years."
Toomey replied: "But we do know the last year hasn't gone very well and even now, our economy is not even growing at 2%....we're still in a very bad place and we really need to break from these – these policies that have gotten us here."
Here is a transcript of the June 12 exchange on Andrea Mitchell Reports:
1:05PM ET
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ANDREA MITCHELL: And finally, I wanted to ask you about the report, I'm going to follow up in a moment with the White House, of course, with Gene Sperling. But this report from the Fed which says the recession was so much more painful for the average American family, especially middle income families, than previously thought, and that it wiped out 39% to 40% of families' net worth. Does that, in fact, justify what the President has been saying, and the White House has been saying, about the need for more help and the need for more stimulus?
PAT TOOMEY [SEN. R-PA]: Andrea, well, it's devastating. It is horrendous. Families have had so much of their life savings just erased from this financial crisis and the subsequent enormous recession.
The problem is the President's program has been making it worse. The President got the big stimulus bill that he wanted. He got the huge health care takeover that he wanted. He had complete control of the elected government for the first two years, could do whatever he wanted, and he did. And we are still in this terrible situation where the economic growth is so feeble that we're not even creating enough jobs to meet the demands of the new entrants in the work force, much less putting back to work the people who have lost their jobs.
What we need to do is clear away some of these excessive regulations, bring federal spending under control, because we're on a completely unsustainable level, and that's having a chilling effect on the economy, and take off the table the threat of this massive tax increase. Unfortunately, the President wants to double down on all the failed policies that he's been pursuing.
MITCHELL: Of course we should point out that that Fed report only went through 2010. So it doesn't even bring us up to date. So we don't know what the data are from the last two years.
TOOMEY: But we do know the last year hasn't gone very well and even now, our economy is not even growing at 2%. That is so feeble, as I say before, it's leaving people off the payrolls, it's not creating the demand for new workers that would help to elevate wages and thereby standards of living. No, we're still in a very bad place and we really need to break from these – these policies that have gotten us here.
MITCHELL: Senator Toomey, thank you very much. Thanks for joining us today.
TOOMEY: Thanks for having me.
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➚ Angria Mitchell
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 10:48am.
Angria you just don't understand. What we want is fewer people (and corporations) in line for handouts, artificially inflating the worth of everything from land to toothpaste.
Andrea, do you have a brain....
Submitted by c5then on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 10:51am.
Who pays the taxes? Is it the poor? Nope. The government gets its money from taxes. Does it make any sense to take more money from the wealthy and middle class to then turn around and try to force the wealthy (who now have less money) to hire people into middle class jobs?
The answer is to STOP THE SPENDING!!!! Pull back and let the people who make the money keep it so they can re-invest it back into the economy AS THEY NEED TO AND SEE FIT. This will create a sustainable recovery not the goose spike that Obama wants.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
You can't make this stuff up
Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 11:00am.
Fifi honestly thinks the answer to wealth destruction is to destroy MORE wealth?
You can't make this stuff up.......
Submitted by Herbster on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:06pm.
.......Destroy YOUR wealth and MY wealth....but not HER wealth! We are all equal, it's just that some are more equal than others.
As Goethe stated, "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action."
A "stimulus" is part of the
Submitted by rbosque on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 11:02am.
A "stimulus" is part of the reason we have loss in real wealth you dumb cow! The value of our dollar goes down when you print money and inject it in the economy. In the long term, it makes things worse. Idiot.
Thinking the same thing..
Submitted by NavyBuckeye on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:58pm.
Rbosque,
I was thinking the same darn thing. The stimulus is one of the reasons wealth has dropped so drastically. But hey, double down on stupid and you get more stupid....
I really hope the majority sees the forest through the trees this time around come November.
The obsessive devotion to class
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 11:10am.
Thanks, Andrea, for confirming what I already know: you are obsessed with the happy idea that the "middle class" are FORCED TO STAY THERE FOREVER with zero hope of being able to improve their condition, much less wanting to improve their condition.
One day people in this country will accept that people who talk constantly about "classes" are Marxists or Socialists, because the concept of "class" doesn't fit this country. It is too dynamic for that. It is better to look at "classes" as stages of life.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
There was a "stimulus" for
Submitted by kg on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:46pm.
There was a "stimulus" for the middle class? Last I seen Obama stimulated his big donors. In the meantime the middle class tanked.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
H-R Diagram
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/14/2012 - 8:14am.
"Class" in this country is more like...well, think of an H-R Diagram from astronomy. What the Left and too many on the Right call the "middle class" is really more like the "main sequence" - and like stars, is a stage we pass through.
One day I am going to come up with an economic H-R Diagram that can explain it better.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
When this woman shakes her
Submitted by John21 on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 11:12am.
When this woman shakes her head does it rattle?
When standing next to her on a windy day can you hear it whistling through?
Has she been comatose for the last three years?
Does she understand basic (High School) economics?
Ms. Mitchell in the future please only comment on things that you have a clue about, it will save embarrassment for both of us. I really don't want to believe that anyone is that stupid other than the idiot at the NYT Klugman.
Damn, Andrea. Are you really
Submitted by texastommy on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 11:14am.
Damn, Andrea. Are you really that stupid?
Stupidity is an affliction of the leftist elite media
Submitted by Conservator on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:08pm.
Did Andrea mention that the middle class loss of income she cited was mostly caused by the housing bubble? What new stimulus plan can Obama support that will increase real estate prices? - NONE.
more immigrants
Submitted by milootoole on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:22pm.
Bring in 10 million more immigrants. That will stimulate the construction industry. That will also strain all our resources so we will import more oil from--Oh, wait, that helps other---wait, wait, What? where will the jobs come from for the new immigrants?? Well , they will just take the current American employee's' jobs at lower wages and--what?? Oh, I don't know, it just gets so confusing, but like Pelosi and a few others say, let's just try it to see if it works out.
Oh yeah. don't foget to raise min wage to 10-15 dollars. That will be a bu=ig help. Yeah, I know a lot of people will get laid off, but the ones who stay may make enough now to pay a couple of bucks in taxes.
Well, if I am wrong it's because I bought my calculator during the Bush administration, so don't blame me.
+1, Milo
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:57pm.
Your last sentence is truly tagworthy.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Remember: Her understanding of economics . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 4:19pm.
. . . stems from her marriage to former Fed chair Alan Greenspan, who as I recall, conceded back in 2008 or 2009 that "We got it wrong."
This is a theological question, you know
Submitted by CO2Maker on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 11:20am.
Mitchell makes the Protestant bailout case for justification by faith alone. Toomey rebuts it with the Catholic case for salvation by good works.
Good idea, Mummy.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:16pm.
How about we raid YOUR tomb this time?
We don't need stimulus.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:17pm.
We can just go in the backyard and pick some more money off the money tree. It is in season after all.
Amoral "journalistic handjob!
Submitted by Qtaug on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:47pm.
By a skilled practitioner!
You tell me
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 2:20pm.
"Does that, in fact, justify what the President has been saying...about the need for more help and the need for more stimulus?"
I don't know, Andrea. We've had, what, three "stimulus's" in the last four years and the median income dropped each time it happened, so you tell me, does that justify another stimulus? I guess it depends on if you would rather help people than continue hurting them.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
More Stimulus?
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 3:30pm.
Only if it is in the form of cash payments directly to taxpayers in the same proportion as taxes paid.
Arguing from both sides
Submitted by Model850 on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 4:40pm.
First Andrea posits that the data reported may justify additional stimulus.
Does that, in fact, justify what the President has been saying, and the White House has been saying, about the need for more help and the need for more stimulus?
When her thesis is rebutted and shown to be fallacious she uses that same data to argue against the rebuttal.
Of course we should point out that that Fed report only went through 2010. So it doesn't even bring us up to date. So we don't know what the data are from the last two years.
So if the data don't "even bring us up to date," Andrea, how would it be of any possible use in determining whether or not more stimulus was in order?
Again, those who read this site are making a mistake.
Submitted by stratosaurus on Thu, 06/14/2012 - 5:17pm.
Many of the readers of this site, and other conservative websites, operate under the illusion that the normal tools we use with which to communicate ideas (things like logic, facts, and common sense) are tools not found in any libloon's toolbox. There is no way to have a reasonable discussion with a lib -- reality is what's in their heads, not what is happening all around them. If reality doesn't match with what they think, reality is wrong.
And, oh, yeah! It was probably dubya's fault.
More specifically, stratosaurus
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 06/14/2012 - 5:23pm.
Obama Money! From his stash!
Hard to argue with somebody who's spending the money you had earmarked for retirement.
Andrea The Loose Cannon
Submitted by Brhurdle on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 6:33pm.
It's painfully obvious that Andrea doesn't have both oars in the water in addition to a faulty control panel for her elevator. Given her glaring intellectual defects, she must have doozie pictures of some big wig at NBC since she sure doesn't survive on asthetics.