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By Kyle Drennen | February 23, 2012 | 16:04

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Citing Rick Santorum questioning President Obama's "theology" and recent comments form evangelist Franklin Graham, on Thursday's NBC Today, co-host Savannah Guthrie wondered: "Does religion belong in our political discourse?" Show panelists – attorney Star Jones, advertising executive Donny Deutsch, and NBC medical editor Nancy Snyderman – gave a resounding no:

>JONES: Not if people are going to actually be talking about the relationship that they have with God or Christ or Buddha or whomever. I think it's inappropriate for people to bring in their own personal religion in politics.

>DEUTSCH: I think religion is the problem in the world. We all fight about religion and to me, everybody has their own faith and God bless. That is part of who somebody is....I think it's terrible what they do and they use it divisively – but it's part of who somebody is, so it's hard to dissect it out.

>SNYDERMAN: Yeah, but it's this pushing people's buttons....It's the, "Obama's still a Muslim, you can't trust a Mormon"....It wasn't that long ago that Jack Kennedy was a Catholic. And so, if we don't do it to advance conversations, we do it to throw up roadblocks.

Guthrie followed up: "Do you think talking about religion in the context of politics hurts religion? Does it bother any of you?" Jones chimed in: "Only when you have somebody who is hypocritical standing up there and trying to put themselves on the cross. You know, don't use Christ in order to advance something when you know good and well you're not being a Christian."

Considering that Today has promoted the religion debate in its political coverage on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, it's curious the broadcast would suddenly fret over candidates discussing faith.

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Here is a transcript of the February 23 panel discussion:

9:10AM ET

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: Actually we have a hot topic to talk about, religion and politics. You know the old saying, never discuss religion or politics, well, in this campaign season we're hearing a lot of both. I mean you had Rick Santorum the other day, comments that some people interpreted as him questioning the President's theology.

NANCY SNYDERMAN: Because he used the word "theology."

GUTHRIE: Right. Which he has an explanation for that. But even we heard of Billy Graham's son, Franklin Graham, questioning Mitt Romney's faith, questioning the President's faith. So the basic question I put out to you, does religion belong in our political discourse? Let's start with you, Star.

STAR JONES: Not if people are going to actually be talking about the relationship that they have with God or Christ or Buddha or whomever. I think it's inappropriate for people to bring in their own personal religion in politics. Because politics is culture. It's not about Christianity or Judaism.

GUTHRIE: Do you think that character has no place in politics?

JONES: Character absolutely has a place, because it shows judgment or lack thereof.

GUTHRIE: But if religion drives your character or your decisions is it not relevant?

JONES: But religion is different than relationship. Religion is about your affiliation with a certain doctrine. Relationship is about your affiliation with God.

DONNY DEUTSCH: But Star – now we can go back to fighting.

JONES: Yes.

DEUTSCH: But the interesting thing is, look, I think religion is the problem in the world. We all fight about religion and to me, everybody has their own faith and God bless. That is part of who somebody is. So it's very hard to tell an electorate, "Well, you can keep religion out of it, but talk about relationships."

SNYDERMAN: Yeah, but Donny-

DEUTSCH: By the way, as long as – no, no, no, I think it's terrible what they do and they use it divisively – but it's part of who somebody is, so it's hard to dissect it out.

SNYDERMAN: Yeah, but it's this pushing people's buttons.
JONES: That's what it is.

DEUTSCH: Duh.

SNYDERMAN: It's the, "Obama's still a Muslim,...

DEUTSCH: Of course it is, it's disgusting.

SNYDERMAN: ...you can't trust a Mormon."

DEUTSCH: But it's hard to keep-

SNYDERMAN: It wasn't that long ago that Jack Kennedy was a Catholic. And so, if we don't do it to advance conversations,...

DEUTSCH: Of course we don't.

SNYDERMAN: ...we do it to throw up roadblocks.

DEUTSCH: It's wrong but it's impossible to keep it out of the discussion.

GUTHRIE: Do you – you may argue that politics – that religion doesn't belong in politics. Do you think talking about religion in the context of politics hurts religion? Does it bother any of you to see how-?

JONES: Only when you have somebody who is hypocritical standing up there and trying to put themselves on the cross. You know, don't use Christ in order to advance something when you know good and well you're not being a Christian. There's a big difference.

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Sorry if I haven't been paying attention

Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 4:10pm.

Wasn't Santorum questioning the "false theology" of environmentalism?

President Obama is a Muslim (from his own lips), Kenyan (read it from his publicist) a homosexual (read it on a news magazine cover) and a Socialist (I'm alive and can see it for myself)
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They want to just say it so

Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 4:12pm.

They want to just say it so bad, "If religion is being used to promote left-wing causes, then YES it belongs in our discourse. Otherwise, it is everything that is wrong with the world today."

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LOL! So TRUE!

Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 4:38pm.

Obama just did it. Great comment!

-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.

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Svannah needs to ask the

Submitted by ForeverOnTheRight on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 4:16pm.

Svannah needs to ask the founding fathers that question, not this cherry picked panel of non-experts. This panel can only spout thier opinion. Their are honest books out their that would tell you that the founding fathers did feel that religion and specifically Chrsitianity was foundational to this countries survival and prosperity.

Right is never wrong, Left is never right.
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...faith defines

Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 4:16pm.

I don't think anything defines a person more quickly and thoroughly than their faith.

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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

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Liberals believe

Submitted by c5then on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 4:24pm.

That religion is something that you do one day a week. They do not think it should "dominate" your life.

Normal people are defined by their religion and cannot make any decision outside of it.

This is why liberals never "get" religion or understand religious people.

 

Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it! 

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Bingo!

Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:33pm.

Bingo!

'One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church'
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Right on

Submitted by BuffNBone on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 7:15pm.

Where I grew up Bingo is for another day of the week--maybe two.

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Morals, and lack of good

Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 4:36pm.

Morals, and lack of good morals (which are still morals), affect every aspect of your life and the decisions you make. And likewise the decisions our politicians make. Morals relate directly to ones religious life and beliefs. Same for the "non-religious" as they are their own god. Still a religion. It does not make a lot of sense to elect someone you believe to be immoral. Many of their core decisions will be shaped by what they believe. Duhh! So of course this is a critical area to discuss. What is taught and why. What evidence, what results...?

-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.

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It's strange how . . .

Submitted by WingletDriver on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:03pm.

. . . none of these super genii complain when BHO goes to the National Prayer Breakfast and makes a mockery of himself and his religious understanding. Somehow BHO saying his faith mandates him to redistribute wealth nationally and internationally is not discussing religion.

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The answer is simple.

Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:06pm.

It's appropriate when liberals do it; inappropriate for conservatives.

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Thou Shalt Not Read

Submitted by CJohnson on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:00pm.

Perhaps these commentators should ask someone from Ferengi or Bajor that question.

Hakapelita!
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Donnie Dumb

Submitted by mmilesll on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:01pm.

Any show with Donnie Dumb on it isn't serious.

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Hope and Change Are On Life Support

Submitted by JRobertGiles on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:04pm.

Barack Hussein Obama keeps looking down his smug little nose at us as his minions fervently and blindly defend his failures. Please read and share the following article. Ready the troops!!.

http://tiny.cc/ag81t

J Robert Giles

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Mr. Giles, your using

Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:10pm.

Mr. Giles, your using Newsbusters comments to solicit links to your own blog and ask people to share your work is also "inappropriate."

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Only when it can be used to

Submitted by John21 on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:22pm.

Only when it can be used to cover a incompetent liberal administration or when a sick minded liberal needs a way of insulting a conservative. Liberals have no morals so they cannot understand the need for religion.

The only other way a liberal believes that it should be in political discourse if it can be used to advance the liberal socialist agenda in some manner.

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Clueless...

Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:33pm.

Clueless...

'One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church'
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Why were these people speaking?

Submitted by Mike Bratton on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:37pm.

Particularly since none of them "advanced the conversation."

Please, TV talking-head people, don't just open up your mouth and let words fall out because the red light on your close-up camera comes on.  Have something substantive to say.

--Mike

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For Me, Not For Thee

Submitted by HardRightTurn on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 5:48pm.

Only when the left can use it to their advantage to either justify their agenda or to guilt the right into going along with them. Otherwise the right has no right to bring up religion, at all, ever, never, period.

To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html

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Really?

Submitted by Dave in PA on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 6:01pm.

Who listens to these people? First, who under the age of 60 watches the Today show anymore? Not to mention, why in the world does Donny Deutsch keep appearing all over NBC to talk politics? If we wanted to know how to sell toilet paper, he may be the guy to go to but for him to keep blathering on topics that he doesn't know anything about isn't worth anyone's time. Can he just go away?

Dave in PA
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Religions are values systems

Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 6:06pm.

I can't see how any set of conflicting values systems wouldn't have the same net result. Even people who tell you not to "push your morality" on to others, are pushing their value system onto you.

Let's say somebody decides that religion "doesn't belong"? For what reason? That reason is a value and usually falls into some hierarchy in somebody's worldview.

Nobody is as full of it or clueless about values as hipsters and skeptics, and those who won't entertain the notion that they too have an exclusive value system. And want or need other people to do things they don't want to do as a result.

People call environmentalism a "religion". Not really, it's a values system, like religion. But there is a burden attached to it as well. The burden is the thing that detractors of the system don't like about it. And if we view civility as the lack of burden, then there will always be something uncivil about value systems.

Politics is the way we chart our path as a society. Nobody is saying let's not have any values to steer by, they're just saying let's not use the other guy's. This "discussion" is no different.

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The Ten Commandments

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 6:51pm.

The Ten Commandments get in the way of the leftist's philosophy and Chicago politics, particularly the ones that say you shouldn't steal and you shouldn't be jealous of other's possessions.

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Fortunately

Submitted by JustAl on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 7:55pm.

They were wise enough to keep it out of the Constitution except for the establishment clause. Aside from the fact that most were religious, the founding fathers did, in fact, keep religion out of politics.

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Except when they established

Submitted by redfish on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 8:52pm.

Except when they established a Congressional chaplain to start each session with a prayer, and allowed church services in the Capitol on Sundays....

I'm sure they also used crosses when burying war dead, though I haven't seen anyone research that yet... (you can also note that the concept of burying dead and holding funerary rites is itself religious).

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Yes and Yes

Submitted by IdahoJim on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 8:11pm.

"Does religion belong in our political discourse?"

Yes. Absolutely. Most all Americans align their political views with their religious beliefs. They should be able to protest, work for the repeal, or otherwise influence legislation that they find morally wrong.

I think it's inappropriate for people to bring in their own personal religion in politics."

Wrong!!!!!!! They are not "bringing" their own personal religion, they are defining what has influence over their views. The fact that these opinions did not come from a secular source makes not one tiny bit of difference.

As far as I am concerned, both these quotes are calling for more control over free speech. The First Amendment is taking a beating from these folks.

"I find that I am deeply offended by political correctness." IdahoAndy

IdahoJim

http://idahoandy.net

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I'd like to keep sexuality and race out of politics.

Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 9:07pm.

But that ain't happening.

Proud member of the 53%!
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Apparently.........

Submitted by GregE on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:53pm.

.........they do think it belongs. The keep bringing it up over and over! Good grief.

I bet it wouldn't come up so much if the economy was BOOMING for Obama, eh?

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Way of Life

Submitted by LaVallette on Fri, 02/24/2012 - 5:53am.

Because according to these nincompoops, religion is only about what you do for an hour or so on Sunday morning. The rest of the time you do what you will and your religious beliefs count for zip!!!

PS Why is it that religion should stay out of public affairs when its principles get in the way of the free exercise without responsiblity of the basest physical pelvic drives, but then is blamed for not doing enough when the entire civlization about us is collapsing?.

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