NBC's Lauer Spends Half of Interview Pestering Michele Bachmann About Herman Cain
In an interview with Michele Bachmann on Friday's NBC Today, co-host Matt Lauer's first four questions pushed Bachmann to comment on the Herman Cain controversy: "As the only woman in this race, I just would like your perspective on all this....Do you think you are hearing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from Herman Cain?"
Bachmann repeatedly told Lauer: "I don't have any comment on this particular issue." However, Lauer persisted: "Is a subject like sexual harassment, and if there – especially if there is more than one instance of it, even back in the '90s, is it a game-ender if it's proven to be true?"
Bachmann attempted to move to substantive policy issues: "That's something that you all will have to focus on. That's not for me. I'm focusing on Iowa and I'm focusing on turning the economy around and creating millions of high-paying jobs." Lauer was undeterred: "Alright, I won't ask you on the specifics anymore, though, but I will ask you about the comments that Herman Cain has made that he's being singled out because he is a conservative African-American. Do you think there is a race element to these accusations?"
Once more trying to transition to issues, Bachmann replied: "You know, again, I don't have any comment on this....It's really desperate out here in Iowa, I want you to know that, it's really desperate, and people want to focus on what's very important right now, which is the economy." Lauer finally relented: "Alright, let's talk about your plan for taxes then. I can get a hint and I'll take it."
Here is a full transcript of the November 4 interview:
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MATT LAUER: What does the only female candidate in the race think about the ongoing controversy? Michele Bachmann speaks out in a live interview.
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LAUER: We're going to have the latest and talk about this all with Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann.
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LAUER: Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann joins us now. Congresswoman Bachmann, nice to see you, thanks for joining us.
MICHELE BACHMANN: Good morning. Good to see you, too.
[ON-SCREEN HEADLINE: Bachmann One-on-One; Will Sexual Harassment Allegations Hurt Herman Cain?]
LAUER: So we have to figure out what we know here. We know that Herman Cain is vehemently denying these accusations. We also know that it's been reported that at least three women accused him of sexual harassment back in the 1990s, when he was the head of the National Restaurant Association. You're a candidate first, but you are also a woman. And as the only woman in this race, I just would like your perspective on all this.
BACHMANN: Well, I don't have any comment on this particular issue. I don't have any inside information, there's nothing I know. The one thing I can tell you is that you won't find any surprises with me on my record. I have a very consistent, conservative background and record on policy, and there won't be any surprises.
LAUER: Yeah, but you've been listening, I know, to what's been going on and you've heard the comments Mr. Cain has made over the last several days. Do you think you are hearing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from Herman Cain?
BACHMANN: Well, this is garnering a lot of attention and people are going to continue to take a look at it, but again, I don't have any comment because I don't have any inside information.
LAUER: Is a subject like sexual harassment, and if there – especially if there is more than one instance of it, even back in the '90s, is it a game-ender if it's proven to be true?
BACHMANN: That's something that you all will have to focus on. That's not for me. I'm focusing on Iowa and I'm focusing on turning the economy around and creating millions of high-paying jobs.
LAUER: Alright, I won't ask you on the specifics anymore, though, but I will ask you about the comments that Herman Cain has made that he's being singled out because he is a conservative African-American. Do you think there is a race element to these accusations?
BACHMANN: You know, again, I don't have any comment on this. And I think that, again, what people ask me about all the time is, 'Michele, when in the world are we going to see the economy turn around?' It's really desperate out here in Iowa, I want you to know that, it's really desperate, and people want to focus on what's very important right now, which is the economy.
LAUER: Alright, let's talk about your plan for taxes then. I can get a hint and I'll take it. Unlike a lot of your opponents, you want all Americans to pay taxes, even the poor. We know about Herman Cain's 9-9-9 proposal, we know about Rick Perry and his flat tax and Newt Gingrich and his flat tax. What do you want the rate to be set at, Congresswoman?
[ON-SCREEN HEADLINE: Bachmann One-on-One; Candidate's Plan to Fix The U.S. Economy]
BACHMANN: Well, tax rates are only one piece of the puzzle. I want them flatter, fairer, simpler. But there are so many other aspects of tax – of the tax code, rather than just rates. I'm a former federal tax lawyer. I have a doctorate and post-doctorate degree from William and Mary in tax law. I spent years working in the United States federal tax court. Taxes are extremely complicated. They can't be reduced just to a sound bite. The principles are what's important.
And people today, only 47% of the American – 53% of the American people pay any federal income tax. 47% of the American people pay zero federal income tax. That's not fair. Everyone benefits from this magnificent country. Everyone needs to pay something, even if it's only $10. Everyone needs to be invested. That's what the problem is. That's unique about my plan. I believe we have to broaden the base to include every American. It's about time, and it's only fair.
LAUER: Some of the other things you want to do, not – in addition to reforming the tax code, you want to get rid of a lot of regulations, you want to repeal health care reform and Wall Street reform. Can you give me a number of how many jobs you think under your policies you could create in the first couple of years of a Bachmann presidency?
BACHMANN: Well, I have no doubt that we would create millions of jobs. Remember, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said if we passed ObamaCare we would be creating four million jobs. 400,000 almost immediately. That's despite the fact that even the government said that ObamaCare would result in 800,000 jobs lost.
I can tell you that's the truth here in Iowa. I talk to job creators all the time in Iowa. They aren't hiring because of ObamaCare, because of all of the tax increases that are involved. It's at minimum $2,000 per employee and then there's other hidden taxes beyond. Plus, I just talked to a doctor who said to me, 'Michele, I sat on the phone waiting 2 hours and 15 minutes to get a hold of someone at the IRS to get a number to fill out a Medicare certificate for one of my patients.' That's because of ObamaCare, because ObamaCare is now enforced by the IRS with 16,500 new agents.
LAUER: Let me ask you – you keep talking about Iowa and let me ask you about Iowa and the polls there, which have you very low in the pack, and nationally the same thing. In New Hampshire, many members of your staff resigned en masse. According to recent reports that I've read, your campaign is surviving on about $1.5 million. This at the same time when other candidates are hauling in huge donors. How long can you stay in this race and carve out a path to the nomination?
BACHMANN: Well, you know, we are working very hard and we're very strong. We're hiring people on our campaign every single day. In fact, we're announcing more new people that we're hiring. Not one person has ever asked me about who we're hiring or who our staff is. What they say to me is, 'Michele, I really like your plan.'
It's real jobs right now at MicheleBachmann.com because I intend to create millions of jobs. Just by legalizing American energy production, you create 1.4 million jobs. If you have everyone pay something on the tax code, you get fairness. And if you repeal ObamaCare, you also create millions of jobs as well. So mine is a pro-growth, pro-job plan. That's what people want. That's what they're excited about here in Iowa.
LAUER: Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, thanks for joining us this morning. It was nice to see you.
BACHMANN: Hey, good to see you. Where are you going to go next week? That's what I want to know.
LAUER: I'm not telling, not even you. Not even you, I'm telling.
BACHMANN: Oh, come on, give us a tip.
LAUER: No, no.
BACHMANN: Everybody wants to know. Oh, come on.
LAUER: Alright, we'll see you very soon. Thanks for your time. And by the way, she's going to be back in just a little while to talk about a new book called "Core of Conviction."
Another programming note, coming up this Sunday on Meet the Press, David Gregory will be talking to another GOP presidential hopeful, former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman.