CBS Promotes Failing U.S. Post Office Over Private Companies: 'Makes Community Whole'
On Tuesday's CBS Early Show, correspondent Michelle Miller reported on planned closures of 2,000 U.S. Post Office locations: "...in this age of digital communications, online bill paying, and Federal Express, are physical post offices still relevant?" She seemed to answer her own question: "Folks are not going to let this go down without a fight...It's what makes their community whole."
During her report, Miller explained how the government subsidized organization had "a record deficit this year of $8.5 billion, the Postal Service loses a staggering $23 million a day and is facing a growing number of problems." Even so, she played on the emotions of viewers, interviewing an elderly New Jersey man named Harold Schutzman, who explained: "[I] got a friend there at the desk, Gary. I can't get into the paying by e-mail."
Miller emphasized the "customer loyalty" to "one of America's oldest and most trusted institutions" and noted how people in areas affected by the closings "say that these offices are an essential form of the federal government and they're a part of their community." Tossing coverage back to co-host Chris Wragge in the studio, she added: "folks are going to fight it." Wragge replied: "You know what, I still like to send out my bills in the mail, as well."
Following Miller's report, Wragge spoke with Jason Cochran of WalletPop.com, declaring that the two of them would proceed to "do some price comparisons [with UPS and FedEx] so people can see exactly how affordable and economical it is to still use the Post Office." In each price comparison that followed, the Post Office was always the cheapest option, but neither Wragge nor Cochran connected that to the fact that the U.S. Postal Service is losing $23 million a day and subsidized with taxpayer money.
At one point, Wragge proclaimed: "So you look at the price and it seems like a no-brainer," but wondered: "What are the minuses with using the Post Office?" The only problems Cochran could think of were a lack of notification of potential shipping problems and having to pay a little extra to track a package.
At the end of the segment, Wragge concluded: "It seems obvious that the Post Office would be a necessity." Cochran agreed: "It seems obvious." He suggested people were just inpatient: "Yeah, but people don't like waiting in the lines, I think, and a lot of businesses use these other companies so people tend to write it off."
On the January 31 Early Show, Wragge talked to Cochran about government efforts to ban the incandescent light bulb. The two men touted the cost benefits of newer CFL and LED bulbs.
Here is a full transcript of the February 8 segment:
8:14AM ET TEASE:
ERICA HILL: Just ahead, many post offices will be closing across the country. So what does that mean for you the next time you need to mail a letter or a package? We will show you the best way to make sure whatever it is you have to mail, that bill or birthday present, that they arrive on time and for the right price.
8:17AM ET SEGMENT:
CHRIS WRAGGE: Well, the recent announcement that the U.S. Postal Service wants to start closing 2,000 post offices next month leads to the inevitable question, are the brick and mortar buildings still necessary? CBS News correspondent Michelle Miller is outside the Maplewood, New Jersey branch with that story for us this morning. Michelle, good morning.
MICHELLE MILLER: Good morning, Chris. Well, closing a post office by law is a tough thing to do. So along with considering those 2,000 closures, Congress is looking at a bill that would make it easier to shut down underperforming branches. That would drastically reduce the physical presence of the Post Office and could signal the beginning of the end of a branch near you.
[ON-SCREEN HEADLINE: Please, Mr. Postman; USPS to Close 2,000 Post Offices]
'Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.' That unofficial creed has guided the U.S. Postal Service since the founding of our country. But in this age of digital communications, online bill paying, and Federal Express, are physical post offices still relevant? Harold Schutzman of Fair Lawn, New Jersey believes they are. Tell me, do you use the Post Office?
HAROLD SCHUTZMAN: Sure.
MILLER: How often?
SCHUTZMAN: Oh, every other day or so.
MILLER: Really?
SCHUTZMAN: Yeah. Got a friend there at the desk, Gary. I can't get into the paying by e-mail or-
MILLER: Online.
SCHUTZMAN: Yeah, online.
MILLER: Despite intense customer loyalty in delivering 24 million pieces of mail to American homes six days a week, the current economic downturn may bring one of America's oldest and most trusted institutions to an end. With a record deficit this year of $8.5 billion, the Postal Service loses a staggering $23 million a day and is facing a growing number of problems.
JENNIFER LEVITZ [WALL STREET JOURNAL]: They have been hit, like everyone, by the recession. People are mailing less. And then just in general, the digital revolution, we text, email, pay bills online. So that's hurting mail volumes.
MILLER: Add to that the exploding cost in retiree health care and the problem could go from bad to worse. Federal laws mandate universal service and restrict the closing of offices for economic reasons. But Congress is in a cost-cutting mood and recently proposed legislation may make those familiar brick and mortar buildings a thing of the past.
So in addition to the 2,000 branches now in jeopardy, there are another 16,000 under review. The cuts are aimed at mostly rural communities and suburban neighborhoods like mine. Folks are not going to let this go down without a fight. They say that these offices are an essential form of the federal government and they're a part of their community. It's what makes their community whole. So, Chris, folks are going to fight it.
WRAGGE: You know what, I still like to send out my bills in the mail, as well. CBS's Michelle Miller in Maplewood, New Jersey for us this morning. Michelle, good to see you, thank you. Joining us now with what this means for consumers is Jason Cochran, editor at large for WalletPop.com. Jason, good to see you this morning.
JASON COCHRAN: Hi.
WRAGGE: So I guess that leads us to the inevitable question. I mean, do you feel and are the post office – are they still necessary?
JASON COCHRAN: Yeah, yeah. Let's not confuse difficult to use and maybe financially troubled with worthless. There's a lot of reasons to use the Post Office. First of all, passport photos, tax forms, and it is still the cheapest thing going.
[ON-SCREEN HEADLINE: Keep Me Posted; Which Shipper Gets Stamp of Approval?]
WRAGGE: And let's talk about some of those prices. We're going to do some price comparisons so people can see exactly how affordable and economical it is to still use the Post Office. So here we go. We've – instead of using a UPS or FedEx, we've taken a couple of items here. First a letter, via ground shipping. And let's take a look at the costs here. First, a letter, like I said, from here to Los Angeles.
COCHRAN: Yeah, we sent it basically from this studio here in New York City to where 'The Price is Right' is out in Los Angeles. 44 cents got it there. And of course, you know, the price is much, much higher for a FedEx. Now a lot of people are making the mistake at the Post Office of using the priority mail envelope because it looks like one of those. Costs about ten times as much. But about two years ago the New York Daily News did a study, about 80% of the time, priority mail got there just as soon as the first class. So first class, about ten times less than priority mail but you still get it there about the same time.
WRAGGE: So you look at the price and it seems like a no-brainer, but there's got to be a few minuses and what are the minuses with using the Post Office?
COCHRAN: Well, one is that you don't get someone on the phone if something goes wrong or you need it redirected to another address in the middle of its transit, you don't have anyone to talk to. That's a major one, I think. And also tracking does not come standard at the Post Office. You have to pay extra for that.
WRAGGE: Alright, let's look at some more prices here. Because that same envelope we're talking about, now we want to send it next day air. Okay, so we'll look at the price comparison between the Post Office, which can do it for you, and also, of course, FedEx and UPS. And you the prices there and again-
COCHRAN: It's about double. Yeah, the Post Office is about half as much if you want to send a letter next day air. Now – and also, mind you, FedEx will get it there in the morning, so will UPS. Your post office gets it there sometime during the next day. So that's another consideration for that money.
WRAGGE: And insurance, tracking, those things which do come?
COCHRAN: All of that extra, you know, it's about $2.80 if you want to get tracking at the Post Office, insurance is from about $1.75 up, depending on the value of the item. The Post Office has a 'Would you like flies with that?' profit model these days. You go in there they try to upsell you with all these extra little add-ons. But what that means is the no frills version is going to be one of the cheapest ways to send something.
WRAGGE: Looking at another price now, a five pound package that we're just sending standard. We'll give yo the break down, between the Post Office, FedEx, and UPS. And, again, there is a net savings there.
COCHRAN: And here's the case where we did use priority mail. Because in the cases of a package, if you use the flat rate box, $10.95, priority mail can be a great deal.
WRAGGE: And also now we switch it to next day air for that same five found package and this is where you really see a big difference. And you're seeing a net savings here.
COCHRAN: Once again, next day rule, twice as much if you go outside of the postal system.
WRAGGE: It seems obvious that the Post Office would be a necessity.
COCHRAN: It seems obvious. Yeah, but people don't like waiting in the lines, I think, and a lot of businesses use these other companies so people tend to write it off.
WRAGGE: Alright, Jason, thank you very much.
COCHRAN: Sure.
WRAGGE: Good to see you.
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→ Oh heck yeah
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 7:43pm.
That Post Office is a hub of the community all right.
Yep---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 7:48pm.
the Post Office is clearance central for welfare checks.
MD
I am left to wonder....
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 7:56pm.
if folks in the concrete jungles of this nation understand that there is a number of us out here in rural America who do not have mail delivery service. It's not that we want "the federal government" in our communities, these small post offices are the only reason we don't have to travel 20 miles (or more) to get mail from a P.O. Box.
UPS comes to my house, FEDEX comes to my house, but the USPS does not come to my house. It drives me crazy when folks complain about the idea of losing Saturday delivery, when so many of us don't have post office delivery of any kind, on any day, and petitions to join the rest of the country in post delivery are dismissed as meaningless and undoable.
I know folks who have to pay for a P.O. box even though they aren't able to get home delivery - talk about a racket!
Just goes to show you, private sector endeavors succeed where government "managed" debacles fail so miserably. Socialism sucks and the USPS demonstrates it as well as it can be shown.
It's so easy to bash the post office...
Submitted by outamyroom on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 8:31pm.
Just one example: A $.01 increase in the price of gasoline costs the post office $8M per day. They do an amazing job considering what they're up against!
Amazing Job
Submitted by SimJim on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 8:55pm.
When a business does an "amazing job" it can easily survive in a free market system. Consumers love businesses which do an amazing job.
Yes, Post offices ...they bring lazy union workers together
Submitted by redright88 on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 8:57pm.
so I guess technically ...she's right.
I cannot say for sure there will still be an America five years
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 9:38pm.
...hence (well, not one most of us would recognize, anyway), but either way, I'm pretty confident there will not be a USPS.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I don't go to my local post
Submitted by goldbough on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 9:53pm.
I don't go to my local post office to socialize so it's certainly not a community of mine. I'd be fine if they eliminated Saturday delivery. What's the equivalent of getting rid of Sat. service and number of closed post offices? If they kept open more offices, but no Saturdays, more people would keep their jobs.
An American Institution
Submitted by IrateNate on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 10:27pm.
(we now join the President's address, already in progress)
Not only should we not allow these American institutions to close, but we should begin to built more! Hundreds more, all across America, built by American workers, creating jobs for Americans, in America, shining monuments to the spirit and determination that has made this country great.
This is why today, with bipartisan support, I have assembled a team of the best and brightest minds available, from both sides of the aisle, in order to determine the best way to combat this crisis, perhaps the worst crisis we've faced since the last really bad one.
The $300 billion Community Recovery Action Program is designed to search for waste in our systems, eliminate this waste from our systems, and to deposit this waste where it can do the most good, or the least harm, hard working, middle class Americans.
The pipeline of our economic growth has been plugged with years of waste and abuse. This new CRAP will replace the inefficient CRAP of the previous administration, which has clogged our system and led to the severe irregularity that threatens the bowels of our economy.
Additionally, CRAP will work in conjunction with a newly combined Senate and House Investigative Taskforce, which will add the pretense of transparency and accountability to the process of eliminating all waste accumulated over decades of improper government diet.
This new joint committee, under the combined oversight of Rep. Norm Dick and Sen. Dick Durbin, is structured such that no one legislative body can abuse its majority, regardless of which Dick is on the floor. I wish to thank Rep. Barney Frank for graciously offering his services, and expressing his desire to work with two Dicks.
Now, let me be clear on this - I'm not going to lie - it will take a lot of hard work and determination from all of us. And education, too, lots of education, the really expensive kind, in order to compete in the high-tech global postage marketplace of the future.
But if we can put aside our differences and work together, I know we can be successful, because that's who we are as Americans. Now is not the time to shy away from our goals, but to reach out and seize the moment - and to win the future.
This investment in our future will create jobs, rebuild our communities, and place America once again at the forefront of worldwide postal inefficiency...winning the future...health care...save...invest.....create...spend....tax...zzzzzzz....
Wha....where am I? Oh, sorry, I don't know what came over me. Never watch an Obama speech before bedtime.
I like it!
Submitted by Franksam on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 9:17am.
And then we can all just mail a lot of stuff to each other and everyone can make money.
I can say I havent seen the inside of a Post office
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 10:33pm.
Since I got married, but I have been to more then a few UPS stores and Fed-Ex terminals.
So now libtard are worried about the community being "whole".
I went to the PO to get my
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 02/08/2011 - 10:47pm.
I went to the PO to get my passport.
wasn't necessary
Submitted by wizardjr on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 1:37am.
You can get the form needed online and mail or courier it to the appropriate office for processing.
Waht about the picture?
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 9:43am.
Waht about the picture?
They took your pic at the Post Office?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 9:47am.
I had mine taken at Walgreens.
Really, the post office needs to be phased out. It's like the Pony Express. Technology has overtaken it's raison d'etre (reason for being)...it has no purpose any longer.
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The Post Office is one of the
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 9:58am.
The Post Office is one of the few federal powers explicitly given. And yes they took my picture at the PO. The PO is not a bad thing and it provides a service we make use of. Can it be better, perhaps. Its like anything in government, and I used to work in government, if you get rid of a section of department there are invariably "little" duties they did that will be spread among the other departments.
Fedex
Submitted by astonrickenbach on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 12:24am.
What they don't tell you is how many places Fedex and UPS don't deliver to. You want to send a package via fedex to some place in the boonies in Alaska and they will take your money and take your package to the post office and let the deliver it. Fedex and UPS don't deliver to anyplace that is a loss leader.
US Post Office is losing so much money partly because they deliver everywhere for the same price.
I hate the Post Orfice
Submitted by wizardjr on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 1:30am.
I had in important issue with them once and even a Congressman couldn't bring them to heel. Without their 1st class mail monopoly they'd be out of business by the end of the year.
They even managed to screw up mail forwarding. First they started it too soon (by a month). Then they didn't start it on time (I had to spend another half day getting it straightened out). G*d only knows where all the mail is ACTUALLY going.
They say they can't deliver to my door because my driveway is too steep. UPS, FedX, et al all manage it quite easily on a regular basis.
Down with government monoplies!!
Postal " Service "
Submitted by sarge329 on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 2:25am.
Postal Service a " hub of the community " ? Since when? When our original postmistress left, about 7 years ago, service went right in the toilet. You don't know who you're dealing with from day to day, window hours change on an inconsistent basis, packages have been lost, envelopes have been bent/folded and stuffed in our box, the list could go on and on. I have sent e-mails to the head office online, and they claim that they will respond " in a timely manner " . The last e-mail was received two weeks ago, and I've heard nothing. They make Wal-Mart look like the king of customer service. If it had been a privately owned company, it would have gone belly-up years ago. It, and Amtrak ( God, what a joke ) are nothing but publicly subsidized money pits. And, worse than that, we have no option in this. If the Postal Service was to do half of what they say they do, they'd be giving FedExand UPS a run for their money. Fat chance.
I wouldn't mind the post
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 1:50am.
I wouldn't mind the post office if it was priced more reasonably to send a letter. However, they can't because they have to pay all that ridiculous overhead: middle managers and troublesome employees that usurp all the benefits and privileges.
It makes me sick to think of all the 'middle-management bureaucracy' that exists within the Post Office. All the paid vacations, sick days, healthcare, dental, optometric, chiropractic, etc. etc. All the human resources waste like "sexual harassment seminars" and "racial overtone seminars" and "cpr seminars" and "OSHA seminars"...
You can tell I used to work for the government, can't ya? :)
when will we stop subsidising the "buggy whip makers"??
Submitted by c5then on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 9:42am.
We have bailed out the old giant corrupt corporations(auto, financial, banks). They should have gone away and allowed the smaller more nimble young companies to buy up new assets at pennies on the dollar. We would be out of the recession and ready to meetings the future economy with optimism and excitement. Instead we are stuck with the last century's dinosaurs who are still clueless and trying to behave the same old way that got them into the problems in the first place.Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Social Hub
Submitted by Chris Norman on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 9:56am.
Yeah, the Post office is the social hub of the community, all right. I've had to stand in long lines twenty minutes plus while the clerk at the desk socialized with her neighbors - made me feel all warm and fuzzy. That was with just one window open, while other clerks would occasionally peak out from the back, but never came out to open another of the five counter positions. Why in the blank do post offices bother installing all those counters when only one of them is ever open at any given time?
The PO is one of the powers
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 9:53am.
The PO is one of the powers vested in the Federal government Article 1, section 8..
Yes it does
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:10am.
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
Establish. Not maintain when unnecessary, as the Post Office is rapidly becoming.
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Of course it has relevance
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 7:36pm.
Of course it has relevance and it is needed. Seems we are arguing over the implementation. The idea of continuance is the basis of continuing anything in the Constitution. To stop it or change it we must pass a Constitutional amendment.
UPS and FedEx and a plethora of others say we need a postal service of some type. The PO already has operations that are farmed out to private companies. But, what part of the PO is best served by private and what part public?
The law of unintended consequences works in these situations also.
If they would just eliminate bulk mail...
Submitted by c5then on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 9:54am.
Without the bulk (junk) mail that forces all the postal workers to sort and deliver the advertising for companies that no one cares about, they could regionalize most of their post offices, eliminate 50% of their management and maybe have a shot at profitability.Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Cut back on services, waaay back.
Submitted by CrazyHungarian on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:38am.
It's time for PO to deliver First Class and Certified Mail only. Period. Everything else is either redundant, unnecessary or unwelcome.
Slow!
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 02/09/2011 - 12:35pm.
I'm sure there are exceptions, but 99% of the employees who work at the postal windows are the slowest people on earth! When the turn around to go to the back to pick up a package or whatever, they don't walk, the do a kind of turtle like shuffle that is hard to replicate even if you try. They take ten times longer to perform a task then someone who would be working in the private sector. Even the DMV is faster then the Post Office.
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