CBS 'Early Show' Blames Winter Storms on Global Warming
Speaking to physicist Michio Kaku on Wednesday's CBS Early Show, co-host Chris Wragge fretted over the recent series of severe winter storms and wondered: "...nine storms in seven weeks, why is this happening?...a lot of people want to talk about global warming and thinking that that may actually come into play here. Is that accurate? Is that having an effect on what's going on?"
Dr. Kaku agreed with the suggestion: "Yes. It seems to violate common sense, but as the Earth begins to heat up, that means more moist air in the Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico on average. Which creates more precipitation, and eventually more snow." Wragge followed up: "Is this going to continue?" Kaku argued: "...on average, temperatures are going to rise. Remember, last year was the hottest year ever recorded in the history of science, next to 2005, since 1880. So the Earth is heating up. We can debate exactly what's driving it. But, hey, get used to it. We're going to have more energy sloshing around the Earth, more extremes, and swings."
Prior to discussing the supposed impact of global warming, Wragge briefly asked about other theories "behind this extreme weather." Kaku explained the idea of the weather simply being the result of natural climate cycles: "One theory says it's random, natural fluctuations in the weather. For example, we have something called El Nina in the Pacific around the equator, which is helping to divert cold air into the United States." The rest of the segment focused on the global warming theory.
As Brad Wilmouth earlier reported on NewsBusters, ABC has also attempted to blame the harsh winter weather on global warming. On the January 21 World News, anchor Diane Sawyer declared: "...millions of people across the East saying enough already with the snow and ice and cold. Another winter storm roared through today. More records were toppled, and it heightened that question: Do the leading scientists now agree that this is global warming? And this is what winter will be from now on?"
Here is a full transcript of the February 2 Early Show segment:
7:34AM ET
CHRIS WRAGGE: Here to explain why we're having such extreme weather is physics professor Michio Kaku of the City University of New York and author of the upcoming book, 'Physics of the Future' Doctor, good to have you with us. I think everyone wants to know, very simply, nine storms in seven weeks, why is this happening? Why is this happening?
[ON-SCREEN HEADLINE: Mother Nature's Wrath; Explaining This Winter's Extreme Weather]
MICHIO KAKU: Well, snowstorms take place when dry, ice-cold weather from Canada and Alaska bump up into moist, warm air from the Gulf of Mexico. Monster storms like this are caused by fluctuations which draw more icy weather from the north and there's more moist air in the Gulf of Mexico because of increased temperature.
WRAGGE: What are some of the theories behind this extreme weather, though?
KAKU: One theory says it's random, natural fluctuations in the weather. For example, we have something called El Nina in the Pacific around the equator, which is helping to divert cold air into the United States. And also the North Atlantic oscillations, air currents in the North Atlantic, which again is helping to pull down, pull down more cold air into North America.
WRAGGE: I think a lot of people want to talk about global warming and thinking that that may actually come into play here. Is that accurate? Is that having an effect on what's going on?
KAKU: Yes. It seems to violate common sense, but as the Earth begins to heat up, that means more moist air in the Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico on average. Which creates more precipitation, and eventually more snow. So global warming is caused when sunlight hits the Earth, and turns into infrared, red radiation, heat radiation shown here, and it's sort of like a roach motel, light checks in but the heat does not necessarily escape.
WRAGGE: So I think the other big question people have, is this going to – I mean is this going to continue? Or is there a light at the end of the tunnel?
KAKU: Global warming simply says more oscillations. So we have fluctuations, but on average, temperatures are going to rise. Remember, last year was the hottest year ever recorded in the history of science, next to 2005, since 1880. So the Earth is heating up. We can debate exactly what's driving it. But, hey, get used to it. We're going to have more energy sloshing around the Earth, more extremes, and swings. Flooding in one area and ice-cold temperatures in another.
WRAGGE: Is this the same weather pattern, though, that's affecting us that's affecting other regions around the world? You've had problems in Brazil with mud slides, Australia's going through some weather issues now. Is this the same?
KAKU: Similar. El Nina, cold weather around the equator, is contributing to what's happening in Australia. And I was in Brazil just two weeks ago, where they had monster mud slides, killed hundreds of people because of flooding. Massive flooding. And it's summertime now in Brazil.
WRAGGE: In El Nina, what are the patterns here? Is it every couple of years?
KAKU: Yeah, El Nina and the North Atlantic oscillations go back and forth every few years and they last a few months. And so we have both effects helping to bring down cold air from the north, while the Earth itself is heating up, creating more moisture in the Gulf of Mexico. And when the two meet, watch out.
WRAGGE: Yeah, we were talking about it earlier. You know, it's a big Super Bowl weekend. In Dallas, they're having some weather issues. And people were saying, 'Wow, you know what, in three year's time, there's a Super Bowl that's going to take place outdoors here in New York,' with weather like this, it's going to be a tough, tough go.
KAKU: That's right. It's going to be a flip of the coin.
WRAGGE: Yeah, alright. Thank you very much. Good to see you this morning.
— Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center. You can follow him on Twitter here.
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Broken record.
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:35am.
Broken record.
Broken brain - broken logic
Submitted by neutron on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:29pm.
I'm a scientist -- a Technical Fellow -- and these psuedo scientists and Catostophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) alarmists are playing the pea under the shells game with the public.
Setting aside that Dr Jones of the UK's Climate Research Unit (CRU) (the head guy at the heart of the UN's IPCC claim for CAGW) admitted to the BBC that there has been no warming since 1998, in fact, we are cooling (google "hide the decline"). Let's examine the pea shell game above.
Yes, more warmth increases ocean and lake evaporation, which increases precipitation. What about the cold? If we were warming, the precipitation would be RAIN and not SNOW, SLEET, or FREEZING RAIN!
The laws of thermodynamics and the physics of "conservation of energy" indicate that the cold can't happen during warming. Some CAGW alarmists claim it is hotter elsewhere, while it is freezing cold here, but again, I point to Dr Jones of the CRU. Also, there are several FOIA inquiries into Hansen changing temperatures in the NASA / NOAA data, and the UK MetOff changing the official temperature data as well. We're not talking about massaging the data, we're talking about regular and continuing changing of historical temerpatures going back hundreds of years to get the charts to "hide the decline."
Somehow
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:55pm.
I doubt you have a physics degree.
Why Is That?
Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:12pm.
Because he disagrees with your religious beliefs or because you think no physicist would think that it rains when it's warm and snows when its cold?
I have a chemistry degree and have used it to make a good living for three decades. No company that had to show a profit would invest a nickle in the kind of junk science the warm mongers are pushing, not a nickle. There is no way to even establish a base line for a 3.5B year old highly dynamic system like earth, let alone reliably predict trends. Their massaged data is rubbage, their techniques hopelessly flawed, and their dog ate the original data. Yes indeed, we should certainly send vast amounts of money to them.
trog, That weak comment of yours is classic troll behavior.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 3:00pm.
Prove it with a link.... artholeYou Didn't Build That.
And what is your comment supposed to be?
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:32pm.
I refer to hydro below. His analogy is quite apt.
trog, two scientists debating, clearly way above your pay-grade.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:56pm.
I refer to SoL below.
To bad you can't even add it up.
You Didn't Build That.
ucw, Troggy has a pay grade?
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:57pm.
LOL - I thought he had to send Matthew a check every month to keep his NB account going.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
→ Dave
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:03pm.
I'm a little dyslexic.
Did you say Troggy has a gay parade?
~Dave, just scrolling past that..
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:33pm.
I thought it said 'gay parade' for a sec. Had to scroll back down and look again. :-D
one post
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:20pm.
and one reply is hardly a debate. I'd say neutron will refrain from adding anything substantial.
Even if he had a PhD in
Submitted by danbo on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 5:45pm.
Even if he had a PhD in physics; if he didn't buy the hysteria on AGWing. (You can change the name, it's the same piece of ----. ) He would be told his opinion didn't count. Now if he bought into AGWing he'd be held up as scholar. Even if he flunked out of divinity school. Took 2 science courses. Getting a D in one a C in the other. And doesn't know the difference between R^2 and R2D2.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
He doesn't have to buy it.
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:44pm.
His arguments should stick, that's all.
Stick to what... your particular viewpoint?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:54pm.
Did you really mean to say "conform to"?
Yeah,
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:13pm.
it should conform to an understanding of physics, which doesn't vulgarize the laws of thermodynamics, or to be more precise which doesn't confuse: global and local events.
Somehow
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:14pm.
I doubt you have a physics degree.
And you are right
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:21pm.
It's mathematics in my case. Do you believe what neutron claimed?
Yeah, pretty much
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:26pm.
And I'm inclined to accept Mr. Newt's rather impressive CV and job history at face value.
And that is because
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:45pm.
he agrees with you or you with him?
→ Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:07pm.
Aside from their dishonest presentations of climate change, Mann and Hansen are reliable authorities?
Is that your argument?
Follow the money.
No
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:16pm.
And indeed:Follow the money.
→ Glad you agree Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:12pm.
Because there certainly isn't any grant money available to scientists whose findings might be published contrary to the AGW theory.
I'll bet I can prove plants actually grow better in a CO2 rich environment.
Do you hate plants?
trogster, $79 Billion Spent and Counting: Still No Proof of AGW
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:18pm.
The US government has provided over $79 billion since 1989 on policies related to climate change, including science and technology research, foreign aid, and tax breaks.
Want the pdf, go here..
You Didn't Build That.
Which brings me back
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 4:54am.
to one of my most favourite questions around here: What counts as proof for AGW in your world?
troglodyt
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 8:29am.
To nitpick a little - unlike in math, in science there is no "proof" for empirical theories. There is evidence which appears to support a theory and evidence which appears to be inconsistent with a theory. But not proof.
hydrodynDM
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 12:33pm.
You are of course right. I should have put it in quotation marks to clarify that I was referencing ucw's use of the word.
twister trog, One more time troll.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:15pm.
AGW is a scam, that has so far sucked 79 billion bucks and is still sucking cash out of my pockets, because unlike you, I pay taxes.
You Didn't Build That.
Are you trying to find out
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:18pm.
whether I'm German? You know: "Repeat the lie. Repeat the lie. Repeat the lie. And eventually..."
Can't wait till somebody accuses me of...
Now what would that do to with my comment on his CV?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:18pm.
I've never spoken to him or vice versa.
My question was refering
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:23pm.
to the fact that you believe him. Why is that?
Debating AGW bores me
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:31pm.
Let's just say I'm inclined to agree with his assessment and leave it at that.
Call me shallow, but pursuing the elusive Zippers sock puppets around here is what I find really exhilarating.
So it's make-belief on your part?
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:37pm.
If that's the case, you may go now and play with Zippers.
You're making the assumption I am an uneducated idiot
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:40pm.
I tried to leave it nicely with you. But no.
You want to start a sh*tfight with me, be my guest.
I think he's trying to prove
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:42pm.
I think he's trying to prove that he is uneducated on the subject and just enjoys babbling to himself.
he has stated no position other than anti everybody with an intelligent position and reference links.
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
"So then, who are you?
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 5:06am.
A part of that power
which always wills evil and always works good.
...
I am the spirit that always denies! A good thing, too,
for all that exists deserves to be destroyed.
It would be much better if nothing were ever created.
So I'm everything that you call sin and destruction,
in short, evil - these are my proper element."
C'mon
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 5:10am.
You wouldn't answer a simple question, which wasn't even about AGW.
We are still waiting for you to answer your question.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 12:34pm.
AGW is 22 years old. What have you done to stop mommy earth's fever? Other than stand out in the rain and whine at passing conservatives to stop and fix your flat.
22 years. Still waiting for the world to get serious about fixing that flat.
22 years. Still whining.
22 years. Still crying emergency.
22 years. The little boy liar has not done one thing to fix that flat.
My question?
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:23pm.
You are not making sense. Again!
Yes. Retard.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:55pm.
You ain't answered it in the year since it was put to you. We ain't gonna drag it around little liar.
No wait.
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:13pm.
You will not get off the hook that easily. Where did I pose this question to myself? Or have you typed too fast again?
Spam up the joint again little lying Retard.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 02/04/2011 - 2:17am.
It is called English. Learn it. I am not here to teach you grammar.
I GAVE you a question. Take it home. Study. Then come back tomorrow and give me the answer to your question. Don't answer Sally's question. It is not the same as yours. You cheat. You have your very own question separate from the rest of the class. I expect the answer to your question first thing in the morning.
Retard.
SoL,
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:41pm.
It bores me to no end, too, which is why I no-longer even bother.
I mean, AGW has to be among the most, if not the most, transparent scam in the history of scams, and my patience with those who lack the intelligence to see that is exactly zilch.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
The longest con in history
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 4:55am.
it is then? Second only to Obama's plans, I assume.
→ Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:29pm.
Most of us weren't even aware of Obama's existence 22 years ago.
Your comparison is laughable.
As usual.
CA
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:33pm.
What comparison?
Stupid troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:42pm.
Your post"
The longest con in history it is then? Second only to Obama's plans, I assume.
Are you incapable of remembering what you post from one minute to the next?
I know you removed all doubt quite some time ago. You really don't need to keep reminding us of your foolishness.
CA
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:46pm.
That was sarcasm.
No, Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:56pm.
Your statement stands as a monument to your own inability to draw a decent comparison.
But at some level I entertain the thought that you couldn't possibly be as ignorant as you present yourself.
And that's not sarcasm either.
If it's sarcasm
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:10pm.
it shouldn't be decent.
BTW: The whole point about a con is that nobody knows that he/she is conned. And how to achieve that better, than to be a complete stranger to everybody.
I refer to "The Usual Suspects": The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. With that in mind Obama is a little disappointing since he left Chicago.
Concerning the really, really, really, real long con of Obama and his ilk, I refer to either Stanley Kurtz or Glenn Beck.
I was. He sold me an 8-ball back in '89.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:57pm.
He went a a little overboard on the lactose, though.
~Trog
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:28pm.
What ever happened to that acid rain thingy? And the hole in the ozone layer?
Probably still there.
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:50pm.
The "ozon hole" I mean. But you should google it to be sure. NASA should have some data.
"Ozon hole", Yea maybe over on urban dictionary
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:03pm.
You Didn't Build That.
Feel free to give
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:23pm.
some "urban" meaning to that phrase.
~Funny
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:03pm.
how you never hear about either one anymore. Both were hyped the way 'climate change' is now, what happened?
Legislation.
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:07pm.
Most people tend to believe that the problem is tackled, if somebody passes a law.
→ No they don't
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:15pm.
It's only the liberal wing of the human experience that believes nature can be legislated.
Obama said the seas would start to recede as a result of his inauguration. Sorry you believed he has such power.
We don't.
You lose again. You and your kind aren't "most people"
That biblical reference shall be used instantly.
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:29pm.
Reading thorugh NB the last days it seems to be obvious that many people think, and I'm paraphrasing here, that Obama will lead the people of Egypt to Israel. Perhaps he is the Anti-Moses and not the Anti-Christ.
→ Thou sayest it
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:36pm.
In your attempt to be stupid, you actually made an interesting comment.
Anti-Moses? You said it, not me.
arghh
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:38pm.
The sarc sign. I forgot it again.
Cool, Ocean levels are falling, it really is Bushes fault.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 4:57pm.
Land locked Boulder Colorado has the low down.
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
You Didn't Build That.
~So what you're saying is..
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:23pm.
All that hype was a scam to get a law passed. Who benefited from that lagislation? Who would benefit from carbon emissions legislation?
No that is not what I was trying to say.
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:30pm.
But nice try on your part.
~Denial, with no clarification
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:40pm.
Your inability to argue your position is duly noted.
Oh wrathful one
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:46pm.
You may try again interpreting what I said. But best would be you just read what I wrote again. It's plain text.
~I did
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 3:35pm.
It's still bullsh!t.
If that was the case
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 3:40pm.
no clarification would be necessary.
You are talking in circles again, trogster---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 02/04/2011 - 2:32am.
and making no sense.
Trying to pawn your opaqueness of thought off, as though it is caused somehow a result of others failing to understand your deep intellect, is as lame as can be.
MD
Sometimes
Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:05am.
one has to walk in circles as to not get on that sidetrack where you and others love to confront your opponents.
Whatever balboa.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:18am.
Troll it up. Dead Zippers is out of your way now. U # 1.
I'm honored
Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:47am.
and looking forward to "debate" you on numerous "issues."
Pack Sand last word troll. Pack it hard. Pack it tight.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:10pm.
You have never debated a single thing here. All you have ever done is lie and troll.
SickofLibs
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:47pm.
Does that mean you don't think my counter points to neutron have any substance?
Well, that makes my heart have a frowny face :)
(Edit: typo)
Geez, Hydro, you scientists are high maintenance
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:57pm.
OK, you make some good points also.
Please email me your CV so I can get back to Herr Professor Trogloditischwanz with my final assessment.
;)
SickofLibs
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:04pm.
You know I was just goofin' on ya.
I'd send you my CV but it seems to be buried somewhere under all the empty beer cans on my desk.
As I was you, Hydro
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:12pm.
BTW, my desk looks remarkably similar, due to the fact that it's snowed EVERY FREAKIN recycling pickup day since Christmas, and of course the DPW goes out plowing, not picking up.
SickofLibs
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:17pm.
I feel your pain.
Although I currently reside in SC (hee hee), I grew up in Buffalo.
My family is still there and my dad tells me buying a generator and the biggest-ass snow blower he could get his hands on a couple of years ago was the best thing he ever did.
Doesn't stop IPCC or Al Gore.
Submitted by danbo on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:29pm.
Doesn't stop IPCC or Al Gore.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
Neutron, thank you for a very
Submitted by celator on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:21pm.
Neutron, thank you for a very good explanation of the trickery used by the "there's money to be made in this" man made global warming liars. I've bumped into two of these types in the last month and could not believe my ears when they begin saying that the record cold and snow winters we are having are being caused by "man made global warming". They couldn't explain to me why this was tha case, but they knew for sure it was so. Cult members rarely question their leaders or their crazy behavior, I suppose.
neutron
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 5:47pm.
Just a couple of comments.
First, Michio Kaku isn't a "pseudo scientist". The guy help found string theory and is a major player in quantum field theory. Hell, one of the text books I used in a field theory class in grad school was written by him.
Having said that, I'm not sure why a guy who specializes in high energy physics is talking about global warming. One could argue that he isn't really saying anything all that complicated but it still seems sort of odd to me.
Regarding thermo and conservation of energy (and you are being a bit redundant since the First Law of Thermo is basically conservation of energy), keep in mind that the Earth's atmosphere is a non-equilibrium chaotic system. That's pretty much the most complicated kind of system you can study in thermo.
Trying to actually describe such systems, let alone predicting how they will evolve, is horribly complicated. Simply invoking thermo or conservation of energy doesn't really do much for your argument (unless you could elaborate).
As for your contention that global warming precluded areas from becoming colder, I can offer a physical analogy. Consider a bathtub filled to the rim with water. If a take an empty pitcher and quickly scoop up some water, what happens?
Well, since I've removed water, the overall water level will go down. But at the same time, the act of taking that water out will cause waves to appear on the surface. In some places, the water level will be very low (lower than what it would be if we slowly removed the same amount of water without causing waves) and in some places the water level will be higher that what it was before we scooped out the water (and will spill out onto the floor).
It can be argued that something similar happens when the Earth's atmosphere experiences sudden (at least on the time scale of the Earth) changes - like a increase in overall temperature. You get these oscillations which result in extremes in both direction.
Now, to be honest - I don't work in atmospheric science, I haven't reached a decision about global warming (anthropomorphic or otherwise) one way or the other and I don't know if my analogy is a good one or not as far as the atmosphere goes. I'm just putting it out there to get across the point that it's complicated and using basic concept from freshmen physics isn't really going to provide much insight.
Living on the Gulf coast,
Submitted by danbo on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 6:46pm.
Living on the Gulf coast, I've noticed a pattern. On TV, I'll watch nasty weather hit Denver. Than a day later, Dallas then a few days more me. Then Atlanta. And eventually the NE is moaning about a nasty weather.
But it's been doing this a long time.
But to imply this was caused by built up warmth in the gulf is less than honest or uninformed. The gulf is cold right now. It's running as much a 3* C below normal. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb/atl_anom.gif
And just coming in from UAH. http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/02/uah-update-for-january-2011-global-t...
Climate is a multi variant arena. To pretend it's about only one variable is less than honest. We've shifted into another natural cycle. And warmers are trying to pretend it's about CO2.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
danbo
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:06pm.
I agree it's less than honest. That's why I haven't formed an opinion one way or the other and it's why I never get into detailed discussions on this topic about things like ice cores or gas concentration levels or whatever.
The fact is, no one really knows what's going on and none of these arguments seem very convincing - one way or the other - to me.
Global warming....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:37am.
caused me to splash carburetor cleaner on a rubber diaphragm of a carb I was cleaning last Saturday. Global warming ruined a $500 carb and I'm pretty sure it was "man-caused".
Wragge was obviously confused by the El Nina reference
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:39am.
He wondered to himself "what does my housekeeper have to do with global warming"?
SOL
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:48am.
Isn't La Nina the little girl ADK smuggled in from Guatemala for his Hollywood producer friends?
LOL, Cool - yeah, PimpDK
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:23pm.
In his defense though, he's sure as hell not going to get ahead based on his "work" ethic.
"Mr. Schnitzel, sir, your 'lunch order' has arrived."
→ Tru Dat, SOL
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:28pm.
First day on the job, the boss had to set him straight (so to speak)
"I said you get your own kneepads, Q, not your own iPad"
Only the proudest
Submitted by ghost of Mary J... on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:45am.
Obama voter would believe this. Not anyone else.
Support Our Troops. God bless the US military.
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Yep
Submitted by donabernathy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:49am.
that global warm'n froze da water in my copper pipes. Let me sober up with a couple of shots of Jack Daniels
roflmao
Increased Humidity = Frozen Pipes?
Submitted by ArcherB on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:19pm.
I understand how more moisture could cause more snow. What I want to see this guy explain is how increased moisture could account for colder temperatures. It's 15 degrees F in TEXAS!!! That's not from "increased moisture".
When it's hotter than normal and there is no snow, it's because of global warming. When it's colder than normal with more snow, it's because of global warming. I'm just waiting for a perfectly average year so they can blame it on global warming.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Archer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:23pm.
In 1984 it dropped to -6 here in Texas.
So since it's going to be a scorching 12 degrees tonight, maybe they're onto something ;-)
It happened before
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 3:57pm.
I remember that year, holy crap, we had a lot of snow....IN SOUTH TEXAS! At least a good foot and half. And I remember how eerie it was standing outside in the evening, kind of a surreal blue glow, and how quite it was. Was actually kind of peaceful now that I remember it.
We've had weather like that before and we will always have weather like that. I remember weather like that 10 years prior to that, mid-early 70s.
My dad told me many times of weather like that before then too. Guess what, global warming wackos, it's always going to be there!
-Jon
An Incredibly Un-official AZ Weather Report!
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 5:41pm.
Six months ago, here in AZ, parts of the state got up to 125 degrees… I didn’t believe in global warming then – and now that it’s getting down to around 35 degrees at night (approx. 55 daytime temp.) I still don’t believe it! Of course that’s probably because I’m a conservative that likes to base an opinion on facts… silly me!
The water cycle is not the cause of cooling
Submitted by neutron on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:36pm.
ArcherB almost has it right. Increased warmth leads to more evaporation that leads to more precipitation, but if the earth is warming, it would be more warm rain, and not snow, sleet or freezing rain. The cold had to come from someplace (or more exactly, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics says the heat that would have made it rain went somewhere, and left it cold, maing the rain into snow.)
Don't fall for the quick distraction answers tossed out to the sound-bite media. Take the time to read the scientific papers, or at least read the summaries of the technical papers at the sceptic web site http://wattsupwiththat.com/ .
Butt covering 101...to be continued
Submitted by dbo on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:02pm.
"Yes. It seems to violate common sense, but as the Earth begins to heat up, that means more moist air in the Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico on average. Which creates more precipitation, and eventually more snow."
It's too bad for the 'every type of weather is because of global warming' crowd that even uber-alarmist and IPCC co-chair Susan Solomon says that stratospheric water vapor concentrations decreased by about 10% after the year 2000 and that IPCC ar4 says that snow cover will decrease. Whatever happened to that peer reviewed argument?
More precipitation?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:06pm.
But won't that make the glaciers grow?
It's almost as though Climate is cyclical. But no, that would be impossible. Mister Miyagi says so.
Global warming...
Submitted by sam12663 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:07pm.
climate change.... Bull Shit.
Al Gore is a pathetic buffoon. First we were told this was supposed to be the mildest winter in years thanks to El Nina, but, lo and behold, 'they' were wrong. Now, the 'severe storms' we are having were predicted 'decades' ago by top global warming 'research' scientists. Sorry Big Al, ya can't have it both ways.
Is it any coincidence that Big Al poked his head out just before Punxutawney Phil? I think Phil has more credibilty than Big Al. After all, at least he's right 30 percent of the time.
Where is Al?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:09pm.
Has anybody seen him during all this "Global Warming" coming down?
Must be in Southern Cal getting massages.
Albert is johnny on the spot.
Submitted by celator on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:27pm.
Albert is johnny on the spot. He's doesn't miss an opportunity like this ;+}.
H/T Drudge---
http://blog.algore.com/2011/02/an_answer_for_bill.html
Last week here in CT
Submitted by Fenwick on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:11pm.
we got another 16 inches of "global warming" to add to the three-plus feet of it already on the ground refusing to melt. Today it is all covered with a fresh half-inch glaze of ice.
I swear if it gets any "warmer" we may all freeze to death!
...violate common
Submitted by PeskyDane on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:19pm.
...violate common sense... ...... ......
Proving once again, that socialists cannot escape the endless loop of self-parody. And just like that, the debate really is over.
Is there ANYTHING....
Submitted by notinstl on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:19pm.
....that global warning can't do? Liberals and the eco-commies are truly versatile in their fear-mongering....and they are counting on all of us to be very stupid.
notinstl
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:24pm.
Global Warming is the Sham-Wow of boongoggles.
Wish I'd invested in Snuggies.
notinstl,
Submitted by NavyBuckeye on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:25pm.
no there isn't anything GW can't do:
It causes the seas to rise, it causes flooding, it causes hurricanes, it causes snow storms and
it saves you 15% on car insurance.
Yes, Buckeye
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:29pm.
And it goes Wee Wee Wee all the way home.
It's sad to see a scientist as articulate as Michio Kaku
Submitted by Rush Fan on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:27pm.
push the global warming liberal pap. It also places into question his credibility on other scientific matters.
The warmer temperature on
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:40pm.
The warmer temperature on Uranus has caused this mess?
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
In my world if the earth was
Submitted by Chandler on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:48pm.
In my world if the earth was warming and creating more moisture in the atmosphere, it would be raining not snowing.
Whoops, I see this point was covered already but it's worth mentioning again.
No change..... Global
Submitted by danbo on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:40pm.
No change..... Global warming.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
Yep
Submitted by Tomorama on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:55pm.
Warm winter and NO snow - Global warming
Cold winter and TONS of snow - Global warming
rinse lather repeat, rinse lather.........
Yep - "Declining Snow Cover Causes Record Snow Cover"
Submitted by Gary Hall on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:56pm.
"Yes. It seems to violate common sense, but as the Earth begins to heat up, that means ...."
Whoa there buddy; the earth, during this warming cycle, began to heat up a few hundred years back - long before according to the climate alarmists view [their accepted theory] that it was the sudden increase in CO2 during the mid 20th century that has led to the warming.
Over at Icecap.us, we find this delicious related stab at an analysis noted by the National Science Foundation: "Declining Snow Cover Causes Record Snow Cover."
Naturally, I'd rather curious about what this year's increasing snow cover is going to cause next year.
The AGW alarmists usually point to the "fact" (hee hee) that the recent warming in the northern latitudes is unprecedented and that this is mostly in the summer, resulting in unprecedented summer ice loss of the Arctic ice cap. Other than the "fact" that looking at NASA's own temp charts throws a lot of questions into that line of thought [ see Greenland temp history, here - looks like a pretty solid cooling trend since 1940], take a peak this temperature data from a recent peer reviewed study of ice cores in Alaska: Alaska's modern summer temperatures are cooler than in the past.
This new data shows what we have seen time and time again in scientific studies; each successive warming period has topped out a bit cooler than the preceding warming period, approximately 1000, 2000, and 2700 years ago. Folks - the trend is cooling - not warming.
Buy a jacket.
(;~/ gary
More snow or more precipitation?
Submitted by pockets64 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:41pm.
I can see that global warming could cause more precipitation. But if the world were getting warmer, we would be seeing more rain year-round (more in tune with the theory's predictions) not more snow.
But the theory predicts both droughts and floods, depending on what's happening on any given day.
Not exactly science, is it?
More snow too
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:54pm.
It's predictable that as more surface water evaporates, the amount of rain and snow would increase just as a function of its dispersal to both warm and cold climates.
But none of this proves actual climate change.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Submitted by QueenMum on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:15pm.
Sorry. But I have to laugh at the fact that Dr. Kaku was a regular guest on Art Bell's radio show. You know Art Bell. The man who developed the film "The Day After Tomorrow". Kaku is a physicist. Not sure that this necessarily qualifies him to be on expert on climate.
“If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed." - Mark Twain
Geeze
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:16pm.
Now the frickin groundhog is an alarmist.
and I'm supposed to
Submitted by donabernathy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:26pm.
believe these guys about what's go'n on in Egypt...
Bwahahahahahahahaha
roflmao
Look, EVERYTHING is caused by GW
Submitted by Red Jeep on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:37pm.
So there. Settled science.
RJ, Yea causing steel to melt
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:26pm.
or crack....
You Didn't Build That.
Is that a busted windmill?
Submitted by Red Jeep on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:45pm.
I saw a metal windmill bust apart the other night on a TV show. Talk about shrapnel...WoW!.
RJ, Yup broke yesterday.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 6:47pm.
Guess I could have posted the story with the photo..
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/02/wind-power-gets-bent-out-of-shape-in-wyoming/
Oh L@@K global temperatures goes negative
You Didn't Build That.
whoa!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:26pm.
Just watched those videos, holy crap, I'm surprised someone didn't get hurt from these death machines!
-Jon
True colors
Submitted by Ashrak on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:42pm.
So global warming causes global cooling, huh?
Why, it seems that particular argument portends that Mother Nature manages herself and actually comes down on the side of the debate that taxation and emissions controls are meaningless and futile.
In order to augment and support their undefendable position, they are doing more damage to it every time they speak or write. I love it and I hope they continue to make fools of themselves. More people see this foolishness for what it is everyday. Good!
Say what?!
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:47pm.
KAKU" ". . . last year was the hottest year ever recorded in the history of science, next to 2005, since 1880. So the Earth is heating up. We can debate exactly what's driving it. But, hey, get used to it."
So, if 2010 was cooler than 2005, then the climate is cooling, no? Or am I a victim of my public school education again?
I posted this on the thread
Submitted by Hunter12 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 3:41pm.
I posted this on the thread above and got no response from the AGWers there. I guess they didn't reply because they were all playing here. Of course, I really don't expect a reply.
It turns out there was a little fraud involved in the claim 2010 was the hottest year ever. There's oneor two problems with the claims. Heck, the Globe Warming conspirators are making phony predictionsabout winter forecasts and causing deaths to hide the decline now. I was going to post a link to another article, but I found these statements to be so compelling, I'm pasting them en toto from the site:
In a policy paper entitled Surface Temperature Records: Policy-Driven Deception?, published in August 2010 by the Science & Public Policy Institute (SPPI), D'Aleo and Watts write:
Around 1990, NOAA/NCDC's GHCN dataset lost more than three-quarters of the climate measuring stations around the world. It can be shown that country by country, they lost stations with a bias towards higher-latitude, higher-altitude and rural locations, all of which had a tendency to be cooler.
The remaining climate monitoring stations were increasingly near the sea, at lower elevations, and at airports near larger cities. This data were then used to determine the global average temperature and to initialize climate models. Interestingly, the very same often colder stations that have been deleted from the world climate network were retained for computing the average-temperature in the base periods, further increasing the potential bias towards overstatement of the warming.
To make sure the reader did not miss this astounding point, we reiterate and emphasize: More than 75 percent of the weather stations around the globe have been inexplicably "lost."
And it just so happens, that most of the "lost" weather stations happen to be, conveniently, ones from the colder areas — from the higher altitudes, the higher latitudes, and rural areas — providing an automatic exaggerated temperature rise that more than accounts for the reported "global warming" of recent decades.
Are there any AGW believers out there that would care to refute my cut-and-paste? Your side has dropped actual monitoring of 75% of the weather stations, fudged the remaining data, and is claiming GW while we're up to our arses in snow in places we haven't had it in decades. Guess we're supposed to take their findings on faith while they profit from carbon credit salesand research grantsand go laughing all the way to the bank, salving their consciences with our money.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
And more monster huricanes, too, right???
Submitted by krendler on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:59pm.
What ever happened to those?
What ever happened to Al Gore?
Australia has one willy-willy going on right now.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 3:04pm.
Yasi A cat 3...
Hurricane energy for the last 40 years.
You Didn't Build That.
Nit picking Spanish articles
Submitted by pockets64 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:33pm.
I know this is petty, but it points to a bigger issue.
El Nino or La Nina
Never El Nina. They said it enough times that it was not a mistake.
If this was not a NB typo, but what they actually said... Anyone who knows El Nino and La Nina cycles would not try combining the two with such an article-subject mismatch. So, again, the only warming is the hot air from these blow-hards.
I do apologize for making an issue of such a detail, but as a student of half a dozen languages, these things stick in my craw.
El Nina
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 5:09pm.
Weather is now recognized as a subset of the LGBT culture. As such, El Nina is a Transgender weather spirit, specifically of the pre-surgical variety.
Please keep up with official pronouncements from San Francisco.
ROTFL, strat
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:26pm.
That one, my friend, is a post for the ages!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Thanks, B!
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:19pm.
:-)
Begging for any logical repy
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:04pm.
The earth has gone through 7 ice ages. That's 7 times from cold to hot and then back. All this before man walked the earth or burned his first piece of coal.
SO HOW IS IT NOW US?
Three points
Submitted by nkviking75 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:19pm.
MICHIO KAKU: Well, snowstorms take place when dry, ice-cold weather from Canada and Alaska bump up into moist, warm air from the Gulf of Mexico. Monster storms like this are caused by fluctuations which draw more icy weather from the north and there's more moist air in the Gulf of Mexico because of increased temperature.
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Three points
Submitted by nkviking75 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:19pm.
MICHIO KAKU: Well, snowstorms take place when dry, ice-cold weather from Canada and Alaska bump up into moist, warm air from the Gulf of Mexico. Monster storms like this are caused by fluctuations which draw more icy weather from the north and there's more moist air in the Gulf of Mexico because of increased temperature.
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Normalization
Submitted by ahusser on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:25pm.
I am 60 years old. I live just outside that unnatural bubble of heat given off by the U.S. Congress. Anecdotally this weather reminds me of the weather we had in the 60's when I was a kid . It was cold during the winter (with snow) and remained cold until spring. There were blizzards in 1954 and 1967 There were certain anomalies like 1966 or was 1967 (as the middle atlantic states are prone to) when it was in the 60's on X'mas day. I am thinking the last 10-15 years was the aberration and this is more like the normal weather I remember. I know this isn't scientific. But I was stationed in Ft. Jackson SC (Columbia) in January 1970 and it snowed there and was very cold. The Potomac froze over and could be walked across in 1977 (or winter '78). In January 1977 it snowed in Brunswick Georgia while I was at FLETC. Reagan's inauguration parade (1985?) was called off due to extreme cold. This is just normal variation of weather and not proof of nothing. Millions of years ago much of the U.S. was tropical rainforest hence coal and oil. Same for the arid middle east where most of the oil comes from. Climate changes naturally. Climate change folks always forget about the little ice age from approximately 1400's to the early 19th century and that we have been in a warming trend since then. I don't think man amounts to more than a flea on the earth's a$$.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Global warming causes
Submitted by 1uncle on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 5:03pm.
Global warming causes freezing weather.
Ugly causes death.
To bad stupid dont
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:36pm.
Please God, forgive me for that right there
I guess Al missed the 1967 storm HUH?
Submitted by obamaotp on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 5:34pm.
Maybe this is Global warming part II, the part that is making Al Whore RICH!
Anyone who believes in man-made global warming reply below
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:26pm.
I want to know who is really delusional, for personal reasons. Thanks in advance
→ Boudin
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:31pm.
If I say I believe in it, can I get money from the government like Mann and Hansen.
I want to follow the money like Troglodike.
I think you can
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:50pm.
With the right application? But I really doubt you can make the pitch with a straight face : )
I am allowed to nominate someone?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:36pm.
Someone, say, "not of this hemisphere"?
Sure,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:52pm.
But it might get out of hand.
Everyone ignore troglodyt
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 12:42pm.
He is still mad over losing his shirt in the collapse of the Chicago Climate Exchange.
The Great Collapse of the Chicago Climate ExchangeAgree Vet*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:06pm.
It's called "shunning". Let troggy "google" it.