CBS Touts Soda Tax As 'Good for Waistline and Bottom Line'

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Michelle Miller, CBS Concluding a report on proposed soda taxes across the country on Monday's CBS Evening News, correspondent Michelle Miller gleefully proclaimed how such a tax would help fight obesity and fill local government coffers: "New York's mayor estimates a tax would raise a billion dollars, suggesting what's good for the waistline could be good for the bottom line."

Miller began the segment by touting: "When former President Bill Clinton enlisted the beverage industry in fighting childhood obesity, he did not expect this much progress in just four years." A clip was played of Clinton reporting: "There has been an 88% reduction in the total beverage calories shipped to schools." Miller then declared: "That's still not good enough, say some public health officials. A growing number of cities and states wants to reduce adult consumption of sugary drinks by taxing them."

Revealing how bad such a tax would be for the "bottom line" of consumers, Miller explained: "New York has revived a proposal to impose a penny per ounce tax on sweetened beverages....[that] would mean this two-liter bottle of coke, which now retails for $1.79, would cost you 68 cents more, for a total of $2.47." She managed to find one man who was happy to pay an even higher amount: "I think it should be two cents per ounce. I don't mind paying more for it, it would probably discourage me from drinking it."

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Miller noted how the American Beverage Association was opposed to a tax and played a clip of president and CEO Susan Neely explaining: "It won't work. If it's supposed to solve a complicated problem like obesity, the tax is not going to change behaviors." Miller disagreed: "A study released today suggests it would, claiming an 18% price increase on soda would lead people to trim 56 calories from a daily diet. That's a five-pound weight loss over a year." Bobby Popkin from the Nutrition Department of the Gilling School of Public Health, UNC added: "It's the first study to actually follow people over time and show this...increase in prices will matter for our public's health."

Anchor Katie Couric introduced the story by equating the American people with school children: "For years there's been an effort to make students healthier by keeping sugary soft drinks out of schools. And a report out today says it seems to be working....Now Michelle Miller tells us this campaign is expanded beyond the classroom and from kids to adults."

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center. You can follow him on Twitter here.

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Taxes to save our lives

I didn't think you could tax unprepared food.  Guess I don't know as much as I thought.

By the time...

By the time these buffoons are done, there won't be anything that's not taxed. And the media will continue to tell you what a great thing it is!

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Best political yard sign ever:

http://bit.ly/a8MB6A

If the tax-and-spend libs

If the tax-and-spend libs had their way, all homes would be equipped with pay toilets.

  I think there should be a

  I think there should be a huge tax put on the networks for the use of the nations airwaves.  It would be good for the nations bottomline.

People would watch less of it.

 

 And be better off for it.

Freedom is a vital component of human effectiveness and fulfillment.

   What should be done is

   What should be done is that for every tax the networks promote and is enacted then an equal amount of fee is asessed to the network to make it a matching contribution.

And you know all those tax

And you know all those tax dollars would go to PBS.

Oh boy!  We've found

Oh boy!  We've found another U.S. idustry to destroy!  Let's get going.

A tax on the time spent

A tax on the time spent watching CBS and its owned media outlets would add lots of money to the government and improve our IQ's.  Would CBS support that?

Brilliant!  I suspect this

Brilliant!  I suspect this will have the same result as the cigarette taxes - after all, we now live in a smoke-free America!

Still, this is a bit of a bummer.  It probably means no more $.99 2 liter Coke sales. 

-Dead Ted

Good news is

Good things that the soda industry doesn't employ anyone, or those income taxes would be missed.

The taxes imposed on

The taxes imposed on cigarettes were a slippery slope.  Popular with the majority because it only affected the minority.  As a revenue raiser, those taxes have worked well.  Welcome to the consequences.  Now perhaps, or soon, one or more of your favorite items will see a tax assessed.  I don't drink sugary sodas.  Should I cheer?  No, I cry for the people of our great nation as the government takes over more and more of our lives and freedom of choices.

You got it.  If they would

You got it.  If they would just say "We need more revenue, so we're taxing soda", people would see it for what it is.  But by saying the tax is to help us there will be those who will o.k. it.

The fracking

The fracking morons

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"That boy'll lie when the truth will do"

- Mrs. Johnson, 8th grade teacher (ca. 1970)

But isn't the point of this

But isn't the point of this tax to get people to stop drinking sugary drinks by overpricing them?  Even at $10 a pack, people are still smoking.

Either way, I guess I don't really care.  I rarely drink soda, except when it's mixed with whiskey. 

-Dead Ted

Right Dead, and they can't

Right Dead, and they can't ban cigarettes outright, because they need the tax revenue from them!

Regarding your not caring, that's what they count on.  But this isn't going to be as easy as cigarettes, because a lot more people drink soda than smoke.  And just wait until they come after something that you do indulge in!

And probably just like the beer tax and cigarette tax, it will hit lower-income minorities the worst.

Exactly

I'd just like to chime in....who is the government to tell me not to drink a Coke?  Or smoke a cigarette or a cigar if I choose?

This social nonsense is just insane.

Why don't we tax Posh's six inch heels (and all the little fashionistas who copy her)?  I mean, come on....they're all going to have bunions which require SURGERY!!!  That's money out of my socialized medicine pocket, dammit!

Stupid liberals.  

Sorry, mb, that was my first wank of an attempt at stupidity, if I'd thought about it harder, I could have come up with something better than CFM's and Posh.  But you get my drift, I'm sure.

I hope he fails, too.

I thought it was spot on! 

I thought it was spot on!  See my other comment below, with the quote from Her Speakerness on Prevention!!

Exactly, mb

All government drones are addicted to spending...it doesn't matter what, how, or who....if they can figure out a way to fund it (TAX)....they will spend it.

I can't wait to get the hell out of here.

I hope he fails, too.

J -

Would you and the I man mind transporting a rather....er....large trunk with you?  Just disregard the venitlation holes - I don't think the government is taxing air....yet.   Just drop it off at Rum Drop Island.

Gosh, H.

We've been advertising for a crash test dummy.

The only requirements are to sit up straight and look fierce.  Of course...if that's too difficult, we can always pick up a trunk in San Jose. 

I hope he fails, too.

Sorry J -

I'd never fit into one of those suits they make crash test dummies wear.   What!  No baggies and flip-flops?  Besides, I just tried to sit still and look real serious -- I cracked myself up after about 5 seconds....and wasn't even in a moving car.  I'm damaged goods now.  But you've given me a great idea for next halloween.

OK - I'm off to Blonde's blog to look at Costa Rican sunsets and dream of what could have been.  Thanks for the belly-laughs...

 

Plenty of candidates from

Plenty of candidates from all the retiring Democrats in Congress.

Au contraire, according to the Supreme Court...

the CO2 that you exhale during respiration, is a pollutant and a greenhouse gas.  Cap and trade and your carbon footprint is next on the list to be taxed....

But they could legalize

But they could legalize marijuana, and tax that.  While a pack of cigarettes costs between $5-10 per pack, the same amount of pot, a less harmful drug, would go for 5x the price.  Think of the tax dollars just rolling in from America's non-addiction...

-Dead Ted

Hippie Lettuce

...except that many of us, me included, don't want to live in an America overrun by potheads and burnouts. 

I WILL say this, though.  If you get your wish and the hippie lettuce is legal, and then the segment of America's population that can be classed as losers goes up, the very first thing I will do is plunge every last dime I have into Pepsico stock, as they own Frito-Lay. 

As America becomes the United States of Losers, I will rake in huge sums from my investment there, and can use the funds to find away to insulate myself from the loser potheads.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Unsane, you know better than

Unsane, you know better than to say that a person who uses pot is a pothead.  Drinking alcohol doesn't make one a drunk or an alcoholic, does it?  

-Dead Ted

Losers

My experiences with the loser population tells me otherwise.   

You simply will not get me to embrace and accept loser behavior. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

someone that uses pot isn't a pothead?

Is that like one of those PC things?  What's wrong with calling someone a pothead?

Someone that drinks alcohol (on a regular basis) is an alcoholic. Drinking a lot of alcohol every day makes one a drunk.  This reminds me of the time I was called to jury duty for a DUI case, in the interview they asked the potential jurors if they drank, I found it very interesting that everyone, (except me) answered either, no, or occasionally, ( I answered honestly and said simply yes).  

The problem with sin taxes is who gets to choose what is a sin?  Just about everything a person does could be classified as a sin, so you would tax it?  If you want someone to make good choices, then educate them on the good and bad points of something like sugary drinks, if they still decide to drink them, IT'S THEIR CHOICE!  Why is it that liberals think if something is bad for you that it just shouldn't be available?  Either completely banned or made so damn expensive we can't afford it.  That just leads to more crime!  black market here we come. 

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

No.

Not to get sidetracked, the point of this thread is to demonstrate that the establishment media has morphed from government watchdog to goverment lapdog.

The establishment media ideology is now apparently the same as that of government beauracrats - cut debt by raising taxes, rather than cutting wasteful government spending.

It will be interesting to see how soda companies as major sponsors of network media respond to this poke in the pocketbook by CBS news.  Yet the networks can't seem to figure out why their advertising revenue is plummeting.  Maybe when a sufficient number of these network employees lose their jobs, they might start seeing things a bit more clearly. 

Not only government lapdog,

Not only government lapdog, doing what they are told, but government cheerleader as well! Whatever government wants to do, count on the media to flog their line!!

One little quote in the story from an industry spokesman who disagrees (but she's just as bad as an oil company exec, right?), saying it won't change behavior,  before going right back into the tank for the plan!

"A study released today suggests it would, claiming
an 18% price increase on soda would lead people to trim 56 calories
from a daily diet. That's a five-pound weight loss over a year." 
(emphasis mine)

That's if they don't replace the daily soda with say, chocolate milk, a milkshake, or a frappucino!

Oh, wait, they'll tax those too!

 

 

Personally, mother, I

Personally, mother, I replaced soda with water.  It's delicious and free!

-Dead Ted

Sounds like a plan...

Next time I get my city water bill I'll just write on the statement; "Ted says water is free."

And have you seen the skyrocketing costs of well drilling lately?

 I am dead wrong.

 I am dead wrong.  Obviously water is not free, but it is cheap.  

But as I enter my late 30s, I've noticed that soda doesn't just burn off the way it once did.  Cutting out soda is just a healthy lifestyle choice.  And it was easier to quit than smoking.  But I didn't agree with the cigarette tax, and the more I think about this tax, the less I like it.

-Dead Ted

Next time you get a water bill, ac....

Just do what this guy did....burn down his house.

Only in FloriDuh. 

I hope he fails, too.

I thought you

Substituted Kool-Aid for soda. ADK, AKA, Always Drinking Kool-Aid

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

The only ones NOT surprised

We smokers mentioned this very thing at the beginning of the idea to tax tobacco. Tobacco now, something that YOU like later. Despite the endless propaganda, the tobacco tax, like the "sugary" drink tax, has absolutely nothing to do with health, and everything to do with generating revenue for social experiments (The tobacco tax, which was supposed to go to bring the medical costs that smokers supposedly drive up has instead been used on all other kinds of pet projects).

Ironically, the rising costs of tobacco products has caused the amount of product sold to go down (well, legal product...the black market has grown exponentially).

Now, the politicians are gnashing their teeth and are shocked that the amount of tax raised is dropping...they seemed to have forgotten that the initial idea was to save us from ourselves by taxing our "bad habits" until we stopped them.

Thusly, the crusade to find something else that's "dangerous" to tax.

 It reminds me of a bit

 It reminds me of a bit Chris Rock did several years back about the cost of bullets.  If they made them $10,000 a pop, you'd think twice about how you would use that bullet.

How about they make cigarettes $1000/pack?  If the point is to get people to stop smoking, make it financially crippling to smoke.  Soda?  $1000/liter.  Problem solved. 

-Dead Ted

Unfortunately...

That's a good theory on paper, but in the ugly world of reality, all that will happen is the growth of a huge black market.
A rather dubious off shoot would be more government jobs, as a new department would need to be created...the SDEA (Sugary Drinks Enforcement Agency).
If you thought seeing smokers huddled under an awning in a rainstorm was pathetic, wait til you see people hiding behind a rock while quaffing their black market bought, untaxed sugary beverage.

What will Kool-Aid

drinkers do?

I haven't seen smokers

I haven't seen smokers huddled under an awning in a long time.  Here in California they need to stay 15 feet (or something) away from businesses while smoking.  We prefer they stand out in the rain and catch pneumonia.  

-Dead Ted

Not only do you comment

Not only do you comment under several pseudonyms, now you seem to have developed several personalities.  Otherwise, who's this "we" you speak of?  With self-righteous leeches like you burdening California, it's no wonder that the State where I was born and spent most of my life is circling the drain.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

 Several different

 Several different pseudonyms?  Please elaborate there.

This "we" I speak of is the state of California.  I did not vote for my town to outlaw smoking within 20 feet of businesses.  I was a smoker for many years, and I smoked just as much when they were $1.75 a pack as when they were $6 a pack.  

Not only that, I've already stated my distaste for this specific tax increase, so spare me the crybaby "get out of my state" act.  You've made several claims here.  It's time to start backing them up. 

-Dead Ted

Kennedy Death Watch, I Love

Kennedy Death Watch, I Love Ted Kennedy, Another Dead Kennedy...how many have I missed, Sybil?

Gee, I'm from California.  But I don't prefer that smokers stand out in the rain and catch pneumonia.  Yet according to your "logic" "we" (as in the State of California) would prefer that smokers would stand out in the rain and catch pneumonia. 

Actually, I've never said anything about wishing you would get out of my state.  It's largely because of economic dead weight like you that I chose to leave the State of my birth.  The problem is that you're not content to live in your corrupt cesspool and leave others alone to live unattached to your state's bankruptcy.  Instead, in order to preserve the 3rd world policies that have brought your state to its knees, you insist on spreading your "values" across state lines and thoughout the country like a cancer...you attempt to use the Federal Government to subsidize your failures by federalizing state preferences, requiring other states to govern with what passes for your state's "values"...the incredibly lame mantra "where California leads, the rest of the country follows" springs to mind.  With California at the "leading edge" of social, economic and environmental policy, is it any wonder that it is also at the leading edge of fiscal ruin?  Spare us your moral superiority play...your state is a legend in its own mind.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

fitz~

Yeah, he's had a little trouble getting his name right. It's haunted him. But I really have to accept responsibility for the last name change -- ADK. It's a long story, but Ted came up with "America!" from some song selections I posted...and at the time he asked if he could use it, I just wasn't all that peachy keen on a liberal being named "America." I just wasn't feelin' it -- and I wasn't sure the other NBers would be so happy being stuck calling him that. I've not been the same since Obama came to office, what can I say? So Ted very nicely agreed not to use that as his new name. I kinda felt guilty. 

But then when I later came on NB and saw what name he did chose, I almost choked on my sugar cookie. I really should have let him take "America!" No question -- he can have it now if he wants. 

I fall on my sword.

 

No need for you to fall on

No need for you to fall on your sword, Georgia Girl.  I was around for his first identity crisis.  A few of our more sensitive types got their noses bent out of joint over his original pseudonym, so after much hand-wringing (including, if memory serves, a trip to the woodshed), he changed it.  I thought the original controversy was stupid and pointless...besides, the level of concern paled in comparison to the personal gratification he seemed to get from the resulting extra attention.  Personally, I would have lobbied him to take on the pseudonym "Gladys Kravitz"...for his proclivity towards meddling in the lives and lifestyle choices of others, I think he and that old bag are soulmates.  But any effort to repackage himself is as futile as polishing a turd...no matter what shine you put on him, he's still a steaming piece of crap.

 "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

I hear that

In the People's Democratic Republic of Hawaii, we too have that "X amount" of feet away from an entrance, but it's hardly ever enforced...most of the time there are cars and buses spewing exhaust nearby, which kind overcomes the tobacco smoke.
Also, the cops refuse to do anything about enforcement, as they feel they have better things to do, like stopping the meth scurge (unless, of course you act stupid and disrespect them by doing it right in front of them).

Hawaii?  I'm totally

Hawaii?  I'm totally jealous!  

I don't think it's often enforced in LA either, but I do understand it in some cases.  When you're in line for a movie, you don't want the guy in front of you smoking.  And I do feel bad for all those people I annoyed when I was a smoker.

But a good point about cops: Don't go out of your way to p*ss them off. 

-Dead Ted

I thought your name sounded Hawaiian

the x amount is 20 feet by the way.  I remember when the law went into effect, and having to explain it to one BIG brudah, he no like what da haole tellin im what for do! 

Standing in a Hawaiian squall smoking is a lot worse than in CA. 

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

And I suppose we can tax

And I suppose we can tax the hell out of people who acquire sexually transmitted diseases, those who give birth out of wedlock and those who choose to have abortions...after all, they cause significant strain on the budget.  Nah.  That would be "inhumane".  Instead, let's tax the hell out of people who eat, drink or smoke something you don't like so we can subsidize your favorite little protected classes.  Yeah, brilliant idea, parasite. 

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

What's with all the name

What's with all the name calling?  Are you that emotionally involved in this thread that you resort to the techniques of a child?

-Dead Ted

*whispering*-

this is a temptation, o-be-wan.  you are doing well with your efforts at self-control. 

edit: oh, crap.  I just left myself open for a Yoda comparison.  Oh, well. 

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

I feel I've entered an age

I feel I've entered an age of enlightenment.  But I will spare you the Yoda comparison for now.  It doesn't take much to suck me into a Star Wars discussion...for all day I could talk...

May the force be with you, Bo. 

-Dead Ted

And to you -

"...for all day I could talk..."  For some reason I heard that with a Yiddish accent! 

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

Ted~

:) 

 

Bo~

:)

Well, i figured he was probably a gorgeous

California guy, so who couldn't flirt with....

I mean, get along with a gorgeous California guy?  That, and someone is seriously tweakling this poor man's self control in the posts below.  I'm gonna regret these posts in the morning. :-(

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

Good morning, Bo.  Well,

Good morning, Bo.  Well, it's tomorrow.  I hope you don't find yourself regretting your comments.  Personally, I think you're dead on.  Hope you have a great day!

-Gorgeous Ted

Oh, I'm sorry.  You

Oh, I'm sorry.  You ignorantly and arrogantly propose that the government load arbitrary excess costs onto the price of goods people enjoy because you don't like them (a proposal that would needlessly destroy even more private sector jobs...you know, the type of jobs that grow an economy rather than the government hack "jobs" that erode it), and I'm supposed to be ashamed because I call you what you are?  Right.  

Far too often, in the name of "civility", we on the right have indulged the spoiled, pseudo-know-it-all petulance of unenlightened brats like yourself by softening our rhetorical attacks.  As a result, we have served as something of an escort service to your imbecilic and damaging ideas as you advance your ideological bankruptcy on issues of taxation, the environment, individual freedom and economic growth.  You have become an intolerable liability on this nation, as we are forced to work twice as hard to net out half as much to satisfy your greed for other people's money.  So, in the name of civility: go f*** yourself, parasite.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

fitz---

You have described California as I see it and live it.

If this nation wants to survive, it would do well to diametrically oppose any and all practices currently being used here.

MD

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."

Mark Twain (1835-1910)

Yeah, I suppose my argument

Yeah, I suppose my argument would carry even more weight if I wasn't living and working in Bloomberg's utopia.  Nanny staters, union thugs and the ubiquitous Client No. 9 shysters...paradise, I tells ya'!

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

fitz---

Noo Yawk.

You and Shy.

Brave people, indeed!

MD

go f*** yourself, parasite.

"go f*** yourself, parasite." - fitzfong

 Real classy, man.

-Dead Ted

Just telling it like it

Just telling it like it is.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

You just better hope they don't ever tax stupidity

Oh, wait, that's what lotteries are for.

My bad.

-Dave

 Wow, Dave.  That was a

 Wow, Dave.  That was a really nice thing to say.

-Dead Ted

ADK, I was just yanking your chain

LOL.

-Dave

Fair enough, Dave.  I'm

Fair enough, Dave.  I'm trying this whole new "being nice" thing here for a while.  Let's see how long I last.

-Dead Ted

/clap What I've been saying

/clap What I've been saying for years, R D

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"That boy'll lie when the truth will do"

- Mrs. Johnson, 8th grade teacher (ca. 1970)

I rarely drink soda, but

I rarely drink soda, but that really isn't the point.  It's simply ridiculous for the government to use the tax code to alter basic human behavior. 

So, does this mean Diet Coke

So, does this mean Diet Coke won't be taxed?  Maybe they should give rebates for diet sodas.

Sugar Free

I'm going to stock up on my Diet Barq's Root Beer just in case!

Excellent point, Rad.  I

Excellent point, Rad.  I suppose sugar-free soda doesn't fall under this tax domain.

-Dead Ted

Doubt it. The reporter

Doubt it. The reporter wasn't smart enough to address that. Twinkie tax anyone?

Twinkie tax, sugar tax,

Twinkie tax, sugar tax, carbohydrate tax, calorie tax, fruit tax. etc...

Why are tomatoes a vegetable?  Because the tax on vegies is less than on fruits.

BTW, I thought I read somewhere that sugar subs gave rats cancer in a study somewhere, plus I hate the flavor of nutrasweet but that's just me. 

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

What's next?

"Twinkie tax, sugar tax, carbohydrate tax, calorie tax, fruit tax, etc... "

What's next, a carpet tax?

Sleep tax Sex

Sleep tax

Sex tax

Thinking tax (Congress would be exempt)

Tacks tax?

 

"I'm madder than a midget with a yo-yo" -- Larry the cable guy.

Tic Tac Tax

would bring in billions.

"I think it should be two

"I think it should be two cents per ounce. I don't mind paying more for
it, it would probably discourage me from drinking it."

Precisely why this will not get the Billion dollars they are looking for...I am not an economist, so why can I see this when Dems who want to tax everything do not?!

Our governor, the esteemed

Our governor, the esteemed David Paterson, was once proposing taxing fatty foods AND health club memberships!

What was the brainstorm behind that?  They want to discourage consuming fatty foods and exercising?!

These people have a serious disconnect with reality

If I spent the entire weekend in the supermarket in my town I KNOW I would not find one shopper who would say, "Oh, yeah, that's a great idea!"

Its a sales pitch.....

...just like the lottery.

When the state wanted to get the lottery passed into law, they told us all the proceeds would be used exclusively for education.

That did happen briefly. But silently, without any fanfare, these 'legislators' voted to put the proceeds into the general fund, where it was up for grabs.

As a result, the state is once again hurting for money for education.

IMHO, two things need to happen:

First, term limits need to be enacted. Some of these friggin 'legislators' have roots growing out of their butts, and are so old that they need to be shaken regularly to see if they are still breathing.

Second, Amendment 28, which levels the playing field for politicians and real people. No more special shit for them while the rest of us do the best we can with less....any laws they enact should effect all of us equally. Let's do away with this 'class' BS.

 

Looking forward to November and some roasted lame duck....with cherry sauce.

 

 

 

Sales pitch indeed.

When the state wanted to get the lottery passed into law, they told us all the proceeds would be used exclusively for education.

And they were!  But most likely your state, like a lot of others,  then proceeded  to reduce the amount of the state budget going to the schools by the same amount so the net result was a wash.  Then they have the (school)  money for other things.

And since they are talking about how good it will be for health, just wait until they get their controlling little hands on our health care, and as Her Speakerness said today,

...I don’t know if
you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just
about health care for America, but about a healthier America,
where
preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible
for or out of pocket.  Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s
about diet, not diabetes.
(emphasis mine)

And any number of things can come under the heading of "prevention."

MB...

They have already enacted that locally in NYC with a zero trans fat law.

The government wasn't created for all this micromanagement. God save us from people who do things to us  "for our own good".

And, of course, they ALWAYS know better than we do, eh???

 

Looking forward to November..this year.

Even though my state has a lottery

The BOE in my county has proposed cutting swimming and diving, all extra cirricular activities and JV sports. This is the Peoples Republic of Maryland where it was voted 45th out of 50 states as friendly to business. The problem with the lotteries, Keno, numbers game, scratch offs etc. is the payoffs are so stingy compared to the odds of winning that they are not worth playing. The state also taxed cigarettes through the kazoo. All it did was hurt folks who sold cigarettes. Maryland is a small state and a border where cheaper cigarettes and 'stuff' is only 1/2 hour away almost no matter where you live (the revenuers were thick on the Delaware border as Delaware has no sales tax and Md businesses in the area were suffering). But the overwhelmingly dem legislature and senate in this state sure felt 'good' about passing that cigarette tax. Logic doesn't phase 'em. 

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

Same as Michigan,

ahusser, we got the lottery, then they deposit the money into the general fund, and apportion it out according to some formula to education.  So, much like the feds and social security, the money gets raided before it ever gets to education.

Granhom raised the cigarette tax, so lots of smokers now take day trips to Indiana, Illinois or Ohio.  Same for the increased taxes on liquor.  I fully expect the dems to raise the income tax rates and drive what few business owners are left out of the state next.  

UpNorth I feel sorry for those in the middle of Michigan

tough to get to a border for cheap stuff. The inability to think of the unintended consequences of the crud legislation they pass is mind boggling. I used to drive into Virginia for cigarettes-1/2 hour drive- (for my spouse) as they were close to 40 percent cheaper. I bypassed the cigarette store right on the end of the bridge and drove another 2 miles to a small town and saved several more bucks doing that. That town starting taxing cigarettes too and the price went over the end of the bridge store so now I go to the end of the bridge store and so now the town loses business. This stuff is pretty simple but their must be some kind of logical blindness when you gain elected office.  

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

I think this is a great idea......

...only because if the liberal left can come nto my kitchen, then the religous right can go into thier bedroom.  They don't like me drinking sugary soda and eating fatty foods because of the health costs down the line, well, I don't like the libs telling me whom they sleep with and when is none of my business when thier loose morals gives then a higher chance of catching a disease that will cost for more to treat then obesity ever will.  Last time I looked,  monthly diabetes medication and maintenance cost far less than monthky  AIDS medication and treatment

This is looking better and better, cause the more they intrude in my life, the more right I have to intrude in thiers.

"Your right to Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness ends at my front door, and my wallet!"-Me!

two wrongs don't make a right

Both intrusions are wrong and both should be frowned upon.

Couldn't agree

Couldn't agree more!

Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.

Term limits: stupid idea

First, term limits need to be enacted. Some of these friggin 'legislators' have roots growing out of their butts, and are so old that they need to be shaken regularly to see if they are still breathing.  So, your solution is to make a lazy electorate, which allowed the situation to describe to happen to begin with, even MORE lazy? 

Term limits suck.  Voters need to wake the hell up and see THEY are the "term limits".  I once thought term limits were a great idea until I saw them at work in San Antonio city government.  I'm not impressed.  And it should be noted that they have been in effect in CA since 1990, and we ALL know what a wonderful, efficient government CA has!

Second, Amendment 28, which levels the playing field for politicians and real people. No more special s*** for them while the rest of us do the best we can with less....any laws they enact should effect all of us equally. Let's do away with this 'class' BS.  Explain.  Do you want the Constitution amended to have Congress subject to the laws it creates?  I think that is what you are saying here...

 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Term limits: stupid idea.....your opinion.

"So, your solution is to make a lazy electorate, which allowed the situation to describe to happen to begin with, even MORE lazy?"

Your term...lazy electorate. You REALLY know how to win friends and influence people, don't you?

Unless you have a BAMW to wave over the "lazy electorate" and make them all politically savvy and willing to invest MORE of their lives and time to tending to things which should be tended to by politicians, then your comment is as useless as a fart in a crowded elevator.

And BAMW = Big Assed Magic Wand. 

Point 2....Do you mean to tell me that you figured that out all by yourself????

Explain?????......bite me...how's that for an explaination, Clivus Multrum???

 

Looking forward to November...this year !

Laziness

 Your term...lazy electorate. You REALLY know how to win friends and influence people, don't you?  This is laughable, coming from a guy who responded to a genuine question with Explain?????......bite me...how's that for an explaination, Clivus Multrum???  All I did was ask for you to elaborate on something to make sure I was clear where you were coming from, and then you respond, in a fashion that all mature adults should race to emulate, with "bite me"? 

Talk about winning friends and influencing people...

Anyways, yes, your idea only makes lazy voters lazier.  Witness city elections in my hometown of San Antonio, after term limits were enacted there in 1991.  They extended the term limits in 2009 (IIRC) but that won't really change anything.  All the voters are going to do is just sit on their asses and wait for the law to kick in to vote the bum they don't like out of office.  Why should they do anything?  The law will take care of it...

If they did ANYTHING to improve government, you still could get me to agree, but the fact is that there is nothing to indicate that term limits do ANYTHING to improve the quality of government officials or government "effectiveness".  I don't see any difference out of San Antonio city government. 

While visiting the CA state capitol, I found out that the state has had term limits (at the state level, as far as I know) since 1990!  I don't know about you, but I don't see any improvement to that state's situation since 1990.  In fact, all I see are things steadily getting worse and worse. 

When I see someone like you advertising this total cop-out (h/t Tom Clancy) of an idea I keep these things in mind.  Once, I thought that term limits might do some good.  My life experience tells me otherwise. 

Unless you have a BAMW to wave over the "lazy electorate" and make them all politically savvy and willing to invest MORE of their lives and time to tending to things which should be tended to by politicians, then your comment is as useless as a fart in a crowded elevator.  YOU are the one looking for magic bullets and magic wands, not I.  But then, I am a cold-hearted realist.  I KNOW that it is going to be a massive PITA to wake the voters up.  But I also know that the way to do it is NOT to further lull them deeper into a coma as you want to do. 

If I had an easy answer, I'd be happy to share it.  Unfortunately I think the only thing that will wake people up are the occasional spells of horrifically bad governments such as what we now have at the federal level.  But all I know is that term limits are just a nice lazy man's way to encourage the lazy to continue to be lazy and to become MORE lazy. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

No......

"All I did was ask for you to elaborate on something to make sure I was clear..."

WRONG !

The word 'Explain' is not asking, its demanding an answer, Troll.

Just who the hell are you to demand anything from anyone in here??

And before you paste any more bullshit in here Clivus, and if you haven't figured it out yet... I DON'T DO EXPLAIN !

 

Looking forward to November...this year!

You are a busy little guy.

  Again. I ask why the hostility? You consider the word explain some dark sinister word that compels one to bring out the fangs. Someone is just a tad sensitive.

1 a : to make known <explain the secret of your success> b : to make plain or understandable <footnotes that explain the terms> c. to demand in no uncertain terms that the demandee put forth an answer right friggin' now you tightwad little priss.

  I kinda added c, thought it might help.

No, you don't explain. Then again, you don't make much sense so yea, kinda goes hand in hand.

Do you.....

...and Clivus Multrum take long hot showers together, Section 8?

Is your little buddy over there crying in the corner?

 

Ah, yes. Allusions to homosexuality.

  The bane of the flamethrower. Desperately wanting to be taken seriously, huh?

Please.....

...tell me you aren't getting PO'd..... I'm sitting here laughing hysterically ! (oops I can only use one).
Most fun I've had in a long time....

*LOL*

Lollies! Roffles! Whatever.

  You are taking potshots at a long time rational conservative poster that posts cogent coherent ideas instead of backing up your assertions. Lollies!

  You are amping up the flames by insulting me, the guy that took time out of his day to research your inane assertions and find them lacking. Lollies!

  And you came out with the homosexuality insults like a true no-talent unimaginative first day interweb flamer. Lollies!

  But whatever. You took both of us to town and showed us up there. Huh, Mr. Great Intellectual? No one in the history of the interwebs has ever insulted anyone else. You are the first oh master of teh slapdown putdown.

  Now. Tell us all again how you don't explain but do ever so kindly post insult after insult to anyone that dare cross you and your vaunted opinions gained through mass email spam.

JWF

There's absolutely no way panty boy is a conservative.

Unsane, a troll?

Dumb gay jokes?

Short, pouty, child-like reactive retorts -- consistently replete with rehashed low-blow (and bad) humor -- to lengthy, thought-out counter-argument posts?

Something's not right here.

 

EDIT: Pantryman, please, stop. I recall engaging you before, and it was cool (unless I'm mixing up SN's...) What's up with you tonight? And I take it you're located in NYC. Come on, do us NY'ers a bit more proud. Please.

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer

*LOL*

They're coming out of the woodwork.....heheheheheheh

Hmmm---Shy---

Wondered about some of the humor.  Few are as bad around here with the language as I, but panty boy cut some real close ones.

Expected an f bomb to show up out of nowhere.

I do understand getting a tad tight over "Explain", but that can be "explained" away, as for the most part I have learned to see the untyped "please" in front of a lot of requests.

At any rate, it may get interesting.

What have you done with Jer?

MD

MD

More red flags:

- big on "LOL"

- displays almost no discipline

- really likes his toilet/gay humor and foul language

Can't be a conservie. Can't... Uh uh. Nope.

And as each of us call him out, rightly, on this embarrassing behavior, each of us will be "crawling out of the woodwork" apparently.... as..... trolls. ??

Anyone want to wager how long this McDonald's fry lasts around here?

Yeah, not sure where Jer is these days. But the upside is, his absence is forcing me to make more productive use of my night owl time. :)

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer

Don't forget the other strangenessesings.

  • Gets most of his talking points from viral mass emails.
  • Thinks we all get the same viral mass emails.
  • "You make me laugh" jabs (aka the troll dismissal - ha ha ha. you are not worthy of being taken seriously ha ha ha)
  • Overextending quota of ellipses... Alloted... two... per... month... Used up in one post... Has to go to the ellipses store to get more.
  • "scare quotes" "Lots" of "scare quotes"
  • Obscure ramblings - Amendment 28? District 9? Clivus Who? Section 8? BAMWhat?

JWF~

I saw you, matthewdean and Mr. Shy were around, so headed over because we're all buddies...I'm never on at this time, so thought I would check it out....wow, middle of the night...silence! But just like happens to me, I've apparently fallen into the middle of strange coversation that is very....intimate. And the topic looked so straightforward! :)

I should be fast asleep, but I got a call from family friends...and the husband is very, very sick (terminal diagnosis) and it's touch-and-go now, so I just couldn't get back to sleep after that. Thought I'd get on here and see if I could get tired enough to go back to bed.zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Okay, almost there...

"You must do the thing you think you cannot do." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt (even if she was a Dem) 

GG

Wait, your husband? I'm so sorry :(

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer

Shy---

I think GG meant the friend husband.

MD

MD~

Exactly. And this is why I don't write in the wee hours....uh, what did I say?

 

GG

Yeah, I was about 94% sure it wasn't yours.... but thought to play it safe. So sorry, again :(

My upstairs neighbor's ex bf (and good friend) died of cancer over the holidays in December, and she finally broke down tonight and knocked on my door... it didn't really hit her till now. 

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer

Shy~

So sad. :( Nice you were there for her.

"You must do the thing you think you cannot do." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt (even if she was a Dem) 

Shy~not hubby

No, my hubby is just fine. Sorry for how I wrote it -- I see where you could have easily thought that! But we have really close friends whose husband has pancreatic cancer, and he's now gone into a stroke. So the wife called at 3:00 to tell us he was back in the hospital. I feel just awful for them. We've been trying to support the family all we can, but you feel helpless because you just want to make this very bad disease go away...he is so young and such a wonderful, special person. I have been straining my brain on things that can help them most during this time...but nothing seems like enough, ya know? It rips out my heart to watch family or friends go through such terrible suffering. 

Oh, wow. I am just really being a bummer. I'm sorry. Thanks for listening...Oh, and on the drinking tax thing (we're on that thread, right?). They will NOT tax my Diet Coke...guess that's going to result in a prying-it-from-my-cold-dead-body thing for me. *_*

 

"You must do the thing you think you cannot do." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt (even if she was a Dem) 

GG---

Of all the things to keep you awake.  Very sorry for the anguish you and yours, and your friends, are suffering. 

Words just will not suffice.

-matthewdean-

 

Matthew~

Aw, thanks. I appreciate it. :)

I think I'll try to hit the hay. It has taken forever for me to type because last night, our pup got out in the rain and was slipping off something -- so I caught him on my wrist/hand area...and apparently I did some muscle tearing or strained some muscles. So my right hand is in one of those hand/wristguard things. It's hard to type!!

 

Carry on, gentleman -- have fun. Catch up with you later. :)

"You must do the thing you think you cannot do." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt (even if she was a Dem) 

Shhhhhhhhh.

  You found the secret 3rd inner sanctum of the Monthly RightWingNutJob Club. This is where we dissect the postings of the typical intertubes trollz and seek to find the secret entrance to Mordor so as to take out the TrollzQueen. There is only the one Queen creating the worker trollz. Take out the queen - peace and tranquility at last on teh interwebtubes.

JWF, and GG, and MD, and LOL, and BRB :p

:)

Hey, while I have you three here.... and any sundry others poking into NB at this dastardly hour, I need to select one of two remix tracks for a new compilation we're working on. Go here:

http://mr-shy.com/grp

I need to select one of these two -- #1 (DJ Matrix) or #3 (D3) ... which one do you like more? :)

- Shy, the very subtle spammer

(but really, happened to be emailing friends while taking panty guy to task here... I'm too close to this stuff to be objective, so let me know your thoughts. They're both very close.)

And, okay, back to soda tax (coughs) .... stooooopid.

And really sorry about your friend's hubby, GG. :(:( My best wishes go out to that family. 

EDIT: The mp3 player is at the top, and just follow the bios/listing below... :)

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer

Shy~

They're both nice, but I like #1 best. :)

Well, back to bed for me....zzzzzzzz

Later, guys! 

Shy---

Listen, bro, I liked both, but would go with DJ Matrix - #1.

I wonder though, since I did like both, if I may have been subconsciously swayed by the #1, you know - Numbah ONE!

That's probably the last thing you needed to hear, huh?

Ah, Jeez, should I have used A & B, instead?

Anyhoo, #1 is #1.

MD

MD

Most people really prefer #3 (you and GG being in the minority) after I put this online release up, so that's why I'm looking for more opinions...

(Wait's to see if this psychological tactic sways MD opinion... :))

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer

Shy---

Had a girlfriend who once accused me of being wishy-washy.

As I recall, my reply was, "Well, maybe I am,  and maybe I ain't."

I did like both #1 and #2, but given the wee hour of the morning at time of choice---

Say, if there is any possibility that my choice might possibly cause the axial tilt of the earth to change, even inifinitesimally, I could probably be persuaded---

MD 

Matthew~

Stand strong! Don't let Shy toy with you like that. Yes, it was the middle of the night, but we don't back down! We don't crack under Shy's psychological pressure. It's #1 all the way! So what if we're in the minority? BT just chose #1 as well. We could be the new trend. Look at the Tea Party as an example of steadily gaining ground because of the courage of convictions...we can win, man! Get off the fence, Matthew. It's #1, #1, #1!

[All in fun, in case anyone thinks I've lost my mind.] ;) 

GG---Shy---

Shy, Ah luvs ya, bro, but that Joe-juh gal done smacked me offa dat fence, an' stedda starz, Ah seen little-bitty numba wunz, evah-wheah! 

Me, 'n Joe-juh gal, 'n BT, be's a noo minority.

We specks gubmint checks, purty soon.

MD

Matthew~

No words. Just fits of laughter here. [Shy, give Matthew some sort of assignment with your video. The guy is creative!]

'Lo Honey (MD)

Hi honey. What are you doing at NB? I thought you were sleeping.

:)

cajun---

I have been catching up on threads.  I have seen some posts by you that were very good.  I bow to you in this post to cover all of those.

MD

MD*

......(curtsy)......:-) If you are gray haired, 6'2, and Irish, I'm in trouble.

cajun2---

6', Scots-English-Irish, and for some reason, my hair remains dark, which is very odd for someone born when FDR was President.  My brother traced some lineage back to maybe some Lipan Apache blood.

Sounds exotic, anyway.

Speaking of exotic, Cajun ladies and Southern belles are what dreams are made of.

You shall always have to keep the gents at bay.

MD 

 

MrS... #1 'Doubling

MrS...

#1

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

BT

Thanks!! More and more are telling me they like #1... although, I might end up going with both as a third candidate will be dropped.

Stay tuned! (exciting stuff keeping everyone on the edge of their seats, I'm sure :p)

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer

Shy---

Check.

Check.

Check.
Check.
Check.

I believe you are right.  No "C".

No worry on the troll bit.  If we came out of the woodwork, the worst classification would be carpenter.

This one could be over before we even got a decent pool going.

We shall see.

You reckon Jer could peruse and not jump in if the doc said not to?

MD

Why the hostility?

All I did was ask for you to elaborate on something to make sure I was clear..."

WRONG !

The word 'Explain' is not asking, its demanding an answer, Troll.  I fail to see the need to respond to the word "explain" with such complete hostility.  If you don't want to explain - or can't, as I suspect is actually the case - then don't. 

I'm not "demanding" anything - all I want is clarification.  If that is too much to ask, indicate such and I'll move on.

Just who the hell are you to demand anything from anyone in here??  I am an NB poster and have been for four years as of last week.  That is "who the hell I am". 

When you show me such hostility to a counter-argument, you are only indicating to me that you have nothing to counter with, or you simply are not used to having your assertions challenged, or both. 

And before you paste any more bullshit in here Clivus, and if you haven't figured it out yet... I DON'T DO EXPLAIN !  So you are above the rest of humanity somehow?  None of us are to ask questions of how you came to your conclusions?  None of us mere mortals are to DARE post a counter-argument to one of your assertions? 

I hate to break it to you - well, actually, I will derive a guilty pleasure from it - but I cut-and-pasted NOTHING.  I am not in the position to cut-and-paste anything even if I wanted to.   And even if I did, it does NOT negate the counter-argument I laid out.  Don't whine because you can't come up with anything on the fly as I have.

Accusing people of homosexual behavior, childish outbursts, and showing others overwhelming hostility are some of the fastest ways to lose arguments here, especially when one attempts to use them as substitutes for facing counter-arguments squarely, as you are. 

By the way, I must congratulate you.  I have been here about 1470 days now and this is the first time I have ever been accused of being a "troll".  To which I must ask you to EXPLAIN yourself.  EXPLAIN how I am a troll, and if indeed I am, EXPLAIN why I am still on NB, instead of being tossed long ago. 

I bid you a good night wherever you are.  As for me, the kimchi and bulgogi await.  With plenty of rice. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

....Bite me....

....Bite me....

The 3rd most hostile troll can't stop.

Still filling in for the ellipsis fairy huh? How is she doing by the way?

I though the ellipsis fairy

I though the ellipsis fairy was an effeminate guy?

Sad

If this is the best you can do when faced with a counter-argument, you are more intellectually bankrupt than I can possibly imagine.  Not to mention extremely immature.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Not even with a good Memphis

Not even with a good Memphis BBQ sauce.

I see no reason to turn hostile.

Unsane makes a valid point. Why the hostility?

1. The folly of term limits - Ezra Klein 

California already has term limits. And they're a disaster.

So how long till our doctor-legislator really gets the budget, understands the legislative process, and matures into the sort of seasoned assemblywoman we'd want responding to a devastating fiscal crisis? Eight years? Twelve years? More?

Too bad. Six years and she's out. Banned from the chamber for life, actually. And the problem isn't just that six years isn't enough time to understand the issues and the process. It's also not long enough to build strong relationships across the aisle, particularly given that a lot of other members will have to leave two or four years after she gets there.

Term limits are one of those ideas that sound good in theory but are madness in practice. You wouldn't want to go to a hospital filled with medical residents or stock a sports team with an ever-changing cast of rookies. Legislating is hard. We need to give people time to learn how to do it. 

Please apologise to Unsane. An educated electorate would vote out poor politicians. Thus limiting a poor politician's term. There is much derision for term limits out there from both sides of the aisle.

2. http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/28thamendment.asp

Again. Unsane deserves an apology. Like him, I have never heard of the 28th Amendment. Guess because I have no friends, I get no viral emails. Silly me, I thought the 28th Amendment to the constitution was the NEXT amendment whatever that may be. Hell, I thought it might be the Flag amendment which has been kicking around for decades, long before the invention of easy squeazy lemon peasy mail. Then there was that Equal Rights amendment that was seriously talked about back in the 70's. That could have been the 28th amendment. There is all kinds of crap that could or could not turn out to be the next amendment, not just your proposed amendment "The 28th Amendment" that could be the 29th or 30th actual amendment if things don't go your way. 

3. If you were to let your ideas speak for themselves, make coherent cogent points, present facts, and argue wisely, there would be no need for multiple exclamation points and question marks. Putting multiple bangs and question marks is a sure sign of a immature lazy writer.

 Am I right or am I right???? LOL!!!! Lollies!!!! Roffles!!!!! RoMoffles!!!!!! HAH!?!!!!11!11!!!!!

Keep on.....

...smoking that green stuff there, section 8.... you're doing fine....

I take it you can not or will not defend your positions.

   Instead you resort to insults whilst calling others troll. Proving my initial theory, you do not explain and you do not make sense. Therefore, we have no obligation to take anything you say seriously.

  Why don't you throw out some more insults and call everyone that disagrees with you a troll now.

*LOL*..

 

 Whilst?

 Initial theory?

 

too funny.....

Yea. Keep walking down this road needler.

  It's all you got left. Needling. Just like the immature spoiled little brat you are. The dirt scratching little needler, the fake conservative, pisant koskid wannabe.

Main Entry: whilst

Pronunciation: \ˈhwī(-ə)lst, ˈwī(-ə)lst\

Function: conjunction

Etymology: Middle English whilest, alteration of whiles

Date: 14th century

chiefly British : while

Dictionary lacking hack. 

No, you don't explain. Then again, you don't make much sense so yea, kinda goes hand in hand.

Looks like I properly quoted myself, you no-talent unimaginative first day interweb flamer. So there is yet another idiot post from you where you fail to refute anything anyone has said and you walk off with your butt in a bucket like the idiot you are.

Bite me....

Bite me....

pantyman

LOL?

Too?

Funny?

 

too funny....

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer 

Bite me....

Bite me....

This one isn't-

the brightest bulb in the pack, is he?

"Liberals have managed to eliminate the idea of manly honor.  Instead, all they have is womanly indignation." ~Ann Coulter

Our governor, the esteemed

Our governor, the esteemed David Paterson, was once proposing taxing fatty foods AND health club memberships!

What was the brainstorm behind that?  They want to discourage consuming fatty foods and exercising?!

Well he certainly wouldn't

Well he certainly wouldn't support taxing whores and ill-fitting suits, now can he?  After all, that's cost HIM money.

I think the tax itself.....

will not address or change the problem of obesity.

 OK, here's a test...go to Google and type in: bowl-of-spinach. Ignore the first page of results and see what you find on the second page. I just did this, and one of the results stated that in 1948, a bowl of spinach contained 150 milligrams of iron. Today, a similiar bowl of spinach contains only 2 milligrams of iron.

Even food that is generally accepted as 'good food' doesn't nourish us.

A few years back, I found online a report to Congress that said soils in the midwest were so deficient in microelements, eating food grown there would lead to nutrient imbalances and illness.

The report was dated 1929, and no action to remedy the situation was ever taken.

The problem with our food supply is husbandry of the soil.

Scripture says that every seven years the soil is to lie fallow...unused and unplowed. You were allowed to eat any volunteer food plants. What happened in that year was that weeds would grow up, die and be plowed under the soil.

Weeds generally have deep tap roots growing down into the subsoil where nutrients had leached from the topsoil and were trapped. The weeds would capture these microelements and incorporate them into their flesh, die, and when they rotted, release these precious nutrients back into the topsoil, thus fertilizing it. Cool plan.

Simple, basic, "old fashioned" agriculture has been abandoned for modern factory farms. We are not the better for it. And our government was not created to be a wet nurse for anyone. This taxing sugary drinks nonsense sounds like something out of a science fiction movie, where big brother decides what is best for you.

Little foxes spoil the vines...and the gradual erosion of our personal choices and freedoms will one day enslave us. 

 

Here is a neat link to a Cosmopolitan Magazine story about depleted soils from 1936:

http://ukulju.tripod.com/1936.htm

 

 

Looking forward to November...this year, and some roasted lame duck !

Ding. Ding. Ding. Troll alert! Ding. Ding. Ding. Trollz! Trollz!

  I missed this one. The idiot picked up another viral spam email myth.

  The depleted soil email. Remember that myth?

The Mineral-Depleted Food Scandal 

In identical weather seasons a particular variety of spinach will contain the same amount of iron in a non-depleted soil.

It's a popular belief in alternative medicine that soils are "depleted" and their mineral content is "used up". It's used to scaring people into buying vitamin and mineral supplements. At some time somebody compared some iron levels in modern spinach with to a particular set of published values from the 1920s (the original comparison was done in the 1970s which is where the "50 years" comes from). It's likely that the data from the 1920s wasn't very good -- comparing apples to oranges in effect. Anybody who does any gardening knows that if you "used up" all the iron in soil, your plants would stop growing and without mineral content there wouldn't be any soil there! A soil test will give you a good idea about the nutrient needs for your soil. -source

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Oh sweet lord in heaven, it just keeps getting better.

  The idiot actually linked to a page that contains an article from 1936. Anyone remember 1936? Most of American lived on farms back then. You know why most of us don't live on farms anymore? There was an agricultural revolution in machinery, plant genetics, fertilizers, tilling/plowing/harvesting techniques etc.

  What a friggin goob loser this one is.

wow......

"You found the secret 3rd inner sanctum of the Monthly RightWingNutJob Club. This is where we dissect the postings of the typical intertubes trollz and seek to find the secret entrance to Mordor so as to take out the TrollzQueen. There is only the one Queen creating the worker trollz. Take out the queen - peace and tranquility at last on teh interwebtubes. "

You just wrote this a few minutes ago, and you're calling me an idiot??

Let the reader decide.....

You need to grow up section 8 (Mil)....

Oh, and BTW....bite me...heheheheheheheehh

 

Looking forward to November...this year !

Yes. You are an idiot.

  You can't tell the difference between a joke (secret 3rd inner...) and an actual debunking of your idiot posts.

  I see you have gone straight to the insults rather than try to prove you are not posting lies you got via email.

A common myth is that vitamin supplements are necessary because our soil is so depleted these days. In reality, crops can't grow in depleted soil. If a nutrient is low in the soil, the yield will be low, but the vitamin content will be normal. - source.

It's people like you that keep Snopes in business. Don't forget, leave that change from your phone call in the machine, they put aids needles in the coin return.

You're prolly a truther too.

Readers will decide, I'm sure, pantryman---

You've been here one year, seven and one-half months, you  flame at Unsane, a most reasonable poster; with no attempt at clarification or understanding before doing so:

Then you decide to try and sharpen your blade on the Vets' hide.

Even if you have a titanium blade, there, pantryman, you would do well to back up a bit.

There's enough hassle away from the keyboards without ginnin' it up here unnecessarily.

MD

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."

Mark Twain (1835-1910)  

MD

I see you are specializing in troll patrol. A most worthy endeavor. Still stinging from my being called a liberal idiot but then I have a thin skin. Take Care.

Andy 

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

pantywad

You already have three (and four, counting the esteemed Unsane) longstanding NB conservies reading and deciding -- on one late, quiet Tuesday night, no less -- that you're an idiot.

I'm confident that number will rise sharply come daybreak, should more people get up to speed on this thread. 

You seriously need a time-out to rethink how you act around here. 

 

I'm not looking for anyone's pity. - Jer
There have been studies. - Jer

  You're shy all

 

You're shy all right.... a few fries shy of a happy meal.....

Get a job.

You forgot your two-word

You forgot your two-word retort.

pantryman---

You are pushing your show of independence past the limits of common sense.

It isn't necessary.

You are independent, strong, rebellious, and will not tolerate being talked down to.

Understood.

Why then would you treat others that way.

If you are inclined to say that you didn't start it,  I would disagree.

Unsane asked you to "explain", and you went ballistic.

Your desire to appear iconoclastic will ultimately result in the destruction of your own image, not the image of others here.

MD

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."

Mark Twain (1835-1910)

Too late.

  He is in the same class as the fake conservative steve05. The hostile conservative and the fake conservative need to get together and have a nice tall glass of shut the hell up.

pantryman, meet steve05. steve05, meet pantryman.

No argument from me, Vet---

Thought I would see if "trying to be reasonable" would work for me.

It just don't feel comfortable for some reason.

Probably because I sense going in that trying "reasonable" with unreasonable people is a waste of time.

MD

It is bizarre.

  This utter hostility to people of a like mind. Something just stinks to high heaven.

pantryman, meet steve05. steve05, meet pantryman.

Ouch....

The hair  on my belly is caught in my zipper.   Is there any govt. employee or media figure who can save me....?

Let's tax zippers and

Let's impose a penny tax on each notch on a set of zippers and use those billions subsidize the Chinese velcro industry and fund the bellybeard removal program in ObamaCare!  Think of the children!  Oh the children!

Zippers are too dangerous

Zippers are too dangerous and too complicated for the youth of America to safely use thus the federal goverment passes Mommy legislation outlawing zippers to be replaced with safety pins, velcro, and superglue.

I know a few nimrods in

I know a few nimrods in government I'd like to use super glue on.

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"That boy'll lie when the truth will do"

- Mrs. Johnson, 8th grade teacher (ca. 1970)

Only a few?

Only a few?

Hey CBS (especially you Michelle Miller)...

I have a MUCH better idea!  Let's put a 200% tax on makeup and lipstick!    Though I can tell it will cost you and Ms. Couric a little more money, we should all do it for the children so that they need not be subjected to the horrors of overpriced cosmetics. 

Speaking of perky Katie......

Have you seen her eyes lately???

She looks like she is about ready to jump over a fence and bite someone's throat....

 

Looking forward to November...this year !

Well, Bobby Popkin thinks that extra 5 lbs is a death sentence

Bobby likes this study - a lot - because it actually followed people over time, unlike other medical studies.

Bobby, why do you hate fat kids? 

Bobby Popkin races pigeons. PETA will not like this, Bobby.

I'm going to be a stool pigeon and tell them. 

http://www.racingpigeondigest.com/archives/search/P/ 

lol, dude with a bigger

lol, dude with a bigger waist than me is an obesity expert. Yeah an expert on getting obese.

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"That boy'll lie when the truth will do"

- Mrs. Johnson, 8th grade teacher (ca. 1970)

How ironic that while they

How ironic that while they are writing (and reporting) these stories, their 500-calorie cup of mocha latte is warm and cozy on their desk. 

What fricken hypocrites! 

YES!

You're right - those lattes and frappacrappachinos are very fattening and have no nutritional value!  They should be taxed at a rate of 20 cents per ounce and $2.00 per "shot" at fancy coffee shops.  Dunkin Donuts would be exempt because it's not fancy enough.

Let's do it................for the children.

No no no!  You can't put a

No no no!  You can't put a 20 cent tax per ounce of a drink, that's way too much.  It's got to be a penny tax because pennies are irrelevant sums of money.  Let's simply impose a 1 cent tax per gram of the drink and people will love it because you're pricing something they like out of affordability for their best interest! 

1 cent tax per gram

 What's that in English? 

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

Galapagos.

Galapagos.

about

about 27c/oz

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"That boy'll lie when the truth will do"

- Mrs. Johnson, 8th grade teacher (ca. 1970)

sorry, I guess I should of put /sarc

(and your answer technically is in  avoirdupois )

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

Starbucks has a better lobby

Starbucks and Juan Valdez have better lobby than Coke & Pepsi.

It's not the &%@$

It's not the &%@$ government's business what we eat or drink. Tax the stupidity coming out of CBS.

If we could tax the hot air

If we could tax the hot air and bravo sierra out of Washington, the U.S. would be out of debt, have enough energy to power all the buildings and also create ample fertilizer indefinitely.

Yes! Sacrifices must be

Yes! Sacrifices must be made!

LOGIC FAIL. If people stop

LOGIC FAIL. If people stop buying the soda due to the tax, the revenues from the tax drop (and therefore do not contribute to "the bottom line"). If the tax revenues drop, what does she think the government will do next? Just say "oh well" and start cutting back on spending?

Proven economic facts:

Proven economic facts: increase tax decrease revenue: decrease tax increase revenue.

What about booze?

I am certainly not against alcohol consumption, everything in moderation, however I never heard of anyone beating their wife because they had one too many Pepsi's or smoked one too many cigarettes. 

People get fat because they eat too much FOOD and sit around too much.  

Just for fun (I don't remember where I read this)

Drink a diet soda while eating a candy bar..they cancel each other out

The calories leak out of a broken potato chip or cookie

If nobody sees you eat it, it doesn't count

 

 

 

Nice to see most here don't want to blame soda's

for making individuals fat and making people accept personal responsiblity. If only people would stop blaming gun manufactuers for homicides, porn for rapes and violence towards women and violent video games for shootings, this would be a great starting point.

shawn,

LOL - You left out big, fat, bloated lard-ass type people who sue McDonald's because, as we all know, Ronald McDonald himself forced them at gun-point to go in, place an order for, then sit down and inhale that Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, two large fries, a couple of apple pies and that chocolate shake every day for ten years.

Yeah, I usually blame the idiot that's actually responsible.

-Dave

Ooh!  Ooh!  I've got one

Ooh!  Ooh!  I've got one too!  Let's add a "penny" tax to every number in a lottery ticket!  That way we'll increase the amount of dollars going to the government and fatten people's wallets at the same time.

 Wait a sec, that doesn't make sense.... but it's a liberal argument anyway so wooh hooh!  Let's do it!

It's still legal to ship

It's still legal to ship soft drinks across state lines so one could reasonably order online, get a case or two shipped to the residence and avoid the tax.

  You bring up exactly what

  You bring up exactly what happens when an economy is bad and the government taxes too much..... blackmarkets thrive.  Prohibition didn't end drinking.  It just made gangsters rich.

Shipping in black market

Shipping in black market soft drinks from Canada and Mexico where they make 'em with REAL SUGAR! It's a win-win situation! Plus since NAFTA, they can't stop the trucks.

You could smuggle sugar

across the border disguised as cocaine.

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

Absolutely.  And, as is

Absolutely.  And, as is typical, the people who really get screwed in this are the more conservative and less affluent folks who live in upstate NY (like Utica or Syracuse or Rochester).  Because the NY area metrosexuals can easily dash across the bridge to NJ or up the Parkway to CT to load up on pop.  On the other hand, it's a couple hours' drive for the residents of central NY - most of whom don't even support this governor.  I'll bet they're the last ones anyone thinks of when it comes to who's ox gets gored here.  Typical liberal hypocracy.

ONLY POOR IN NY

ALL the "special" taxes are driving anyone who can afford to leave out of NY. Soon Only the poor will remain OR All who remain WILL BE POOR!

It's only the beginning...

....*"For years there's been an effort to make students healthier by keeping
sugary soft drinks out of schools. And a report out today says it seems
to be working....Now Michelle Miller tells us this campaign is expanded
beyond the classroom and from kids to adults."*

Make students healthier? Seems to be working? Really? Since when is it the governments responsibility to make anyone healthier? Is that what the founding fathers had in mind when they created our republic? I can just picture Benjamin Franklin sitting around the table as they drafted our founding documents and saying "Making people healthy is something we must concern ourselves with". Since the Behavioral Control Police(BCP) started with the 'remove sugary drinks from schools' campaign, America's childhood obesity problem has only gotten worse, so I guess it only seems to be working, because in reality, IT'S NOT WORKING.

Now that the BCP has decided controlling student behavior is obviously not enough, they plan to expand this infringement of personal choice to ALL Americans. What they do not understand is that the cash windfall they are expecting will never materialize.

People will buy less. Pepsi and Coke will be forced to layoff workers, salespeople, truck drivers etc. Bottle manufacturers will have to layoff people. Plastic twist cap manufacturers will layoff people. Then supermarkets will layoff people due to lower sales volumes. You get the picture.

When will America wake up and stop this intrusion on our individual freedoms? Our government, whether they be local, state, or federal; all have the belief that its citizens exist for THEIR BENEFIT. We need to end this outlandish overreaching of the government on all levels.

Personal responsibilty and individual rights are at stake.

 

President Obama is nothing more than a lying empty suit; a Hollywood
style special effects smoke and mirrors show that has shown itself to
be a total fraud.
 

WAKE UP AMERICA! SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION! 

The lib ideal is the

The lib ideal is the Mommy-state where they dictate what you can or cannot do, can or cannot eat, can or cannot watch, can or cannot listen to, etc. because they know what's good for you.

It's not Big Brother, it's Mom!

Hi Mom!

 

[NOTE: Great related song -- "Goodbye Freedom, Hello Mom" by Scatterbrain. Although written and performed in the 90's, the message applies even more aptly today.]

You all are making too big a deal out of this

Now, I know we've got some wealthy members here at NB, but I suspect the majority of us don't have to worry about this tax. I mean, read my lips, this new tax will not apply to any individuals earning less than $200k -or families earning less than $250k annually. All you have to do it take your 1040 to the grocery store and you can pay the middle class price.

So when are they gonna make

So when are they gonna make Government Cheese low-fat?

No offense Bk but you are wrong

This is a big deal. This is just another effort, though  it appears small, to control all aspects of our lives. First, its what you eat, the kind of light bulbs you can use, the kind of car you drive, then  rationing of health care. Take control slowly in small incremental steps and no one will notice. The problem here is not sodas or a tax. It is a mind set with these elitist that believe they have the right to decide how you live your life. My problem is that immature irresponsible narcissists are setting the standards by which I must live my life. No thanks.

Exactly, Cajun

I think Barry & Michelle need to tax CFM's.

Please....Barry's too short, MO is too tall, so no one should be allowed to wear high heels.  After all, they are nasty shoes, call out to men like whores, what with making a calf look sexy, and hey.... they cause bunions!

Flats for all.  Mandated shoe wear.  Yep, that's the ticket!

Well, who is going to join me in a petition, ballet flats for all women.  Oh yeah, and demure braids, and sack dresses.

K, going to quit now.....but hey, let's legislate everything....why not? 

I hope he fails, too.

How about

$500 a pair athletic shoes for everyone?  After all, if the First Klingon can wear them to a soup kitchen, they have to be suitable for everyone, right? 

Then, let's make sure the kids don't feel bad, everyone can get a prize for "participation", right?  Wait, we already do this in places.  Never mind.  

Oh yeah!

Free Faux Keds for all!

Not that I'd ever be caught dead in those shoes, mind you...but The GOVERNMENT should provide them....it's a basic human and civil RIGHT!!! 

I hope he fails, too.

OMG! First Klingon!!

I am in stitches!!  Love it!!! ♥♥♥♥  (and using it!!!)

right Blonde*

We will all wear flat shoes, they will wear the boots. We will all wear gray overalls, they wear purple shirts. I'm just saying, this has happened before in Maoist China. Remember?

Ouch.

I'm going to stop now.

I was being silly, and over the top.

But you pointed out the uncomfortable truth in the matter.

You win, hands down.  I hope everyone is paying attention, cajun! 

I hope he fails, too.

silly is good for you Blonde*

Silly is good for you sometimes, like veggies. Just remember, I am a tinfoil paranoid tea party right wing nut. And sometimes, it shows. :-)

Ah yes,

Would you kindly pass me the tinfoil? 

I learned a new hat pattern the other day.  I think you might enjoy it.  :)

I hope he fails, too.

Sorry, no

Sorry, no tinfoil...environmentally unfriendly and taxed.

If they could find a way to

If they could find a way to tax stupidity they'd do so, but then they'd realize they would have to pay the bulk of it. Those top 5%'ers!...er bottom 5%'ers?

cajun... That's exactly

cajun...

That's exactly what the leftist Nanny-State is doing and has been for years and years...they want to tax something to increase income, a fair tax...try toilet paper ...the enemy within are arseholes, there isn't enough toilet paper in the world that would wipe them clean.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

bigtimer*

    LOL

cajun2

I thought my sarcasm was reeking in my comment- apparently not. For future reference please keep in mind what folks who know me well do- not much of what I say (or write) is anywhere near serious, or has any real thought behind it. Except this time...

Bk*

Oops. Started my post with no offense. Should have been a clue since I have never disagreed with you before.  And you are very thoughtful. But for  us silly impaired (see post to Blonde) please add /s . :)

cajun2

/sarc (both of my comments)   :-) 

And no offense taken.

Yes, it was reeking.  And

Yes, it was reeking.  And I did laugh out loud.  You could make a tag line out of that one...

 

...Just take your 1040 down to the grocery store and ask for the middle class price.  -BKeyser

Yeahhhhh BK

Now I got your joke, so sorry I am so slow. Just heard the ONE on tv. He said exactly what is in your post. You are psychic. I am most impressed.  :-)

Fizz this!!

Please God, make these mind numb cheerleaders for statism go away.  This is insane.  You place taxes on sugary soft drinks with the explicit intention of REDUCING consumption but you expect HIGHER revenues for the state.  Huh?  And as anyone like me who lives in states like New York, these tax schemes are always sucked into the mouth of a giant beast that is never satisfied (hence paying 5.50 to cross 50 year old bridges).  Hey, remember when your state's lottery games would bring in extra cash?  What happened?

Coke, Pepsi and other soft drink companies should go John Galt. The message should be clear:  tax to hurt us and we won't do business.

Sure has stopped people

From Smoking 

http://libfail.com

Liberals never met taxes they didn't like

I've said for years that liberals never met taxes they didn't like (with apologies to Will Rogers).  If they had their druthers, they would put taxes on just about everyone and everything (except themselves, of course). 

This is the Nanny State gone amok.  We're tired of these busybodies telling us what to do; it's time to tell them, "Buzz off!"

Fair play

Why don't we propose that the unhealthy sexual  or drug activities that many liberals engage in be taxed?    After all, we do know the costs of curing STDs or the death toll they produce. Or how about taxing the offensive comments or jokes they tell? We would not be stopping them from doing the activity, but look at all of the money we would raise.  I'm sure they would jump at this idea.

It is curious how liberals can't stand the thought of being told to not engage in the harmful or dangerous things they do while accussing conservatives of trying to stop them, but at the same time are proposing controlling every decision citizens have to make.

calculate national debt

calculate national debt ..divide by all liberals and send each one a bill to pay for it all..

 

They want it, they can pay for it..

Do they teach stupid at

Do they teach stupid at urinalism school?

No, it just naturally flows

No, it just naturally flows there.

Me personally I think they

Me personally I think they should raise taxes on soda. I would drink 3-5 cans of soda a day for most of my life, then the last couple of years I switched to diet soda. Then this year, for New Years, I gave up soda cold turkey. I haven't had one since. It's been nothing but water, fruit juice, and green tea. I don't eat as much because what I drink now is more filling, than soda was. Increased tax on soda is a great idea. 

 

Really?

Just because it no longer affects you?

Cheap.  Stupid.  Talking.  Points. 

I hope he fails, too.

Hi

Hi.  My name is theriot and I'm a recovering sodaholic....

LOL, H.

I suspected a recovering idiot...oh wait, that's not a thing to be overcome, is it? 

I hope he fails, too.

I can relate J -

I once tried to kick the Red Eye habit but ended up getting addicted to Visine.   Sometimes it's better to just live with the pain...

Stupidity

It is a HORRIBLE idea because we need to cure some other human beings of greater addictions: addictions to POWER and TAX MONEY. 

And you say now, "well, tax them because it won't effect me".  Wait until someone proposes a tax that won't effect THEM but will slam you square in the face.  At which point you will be crying. 

I drink soda rarely, if ever, and I STILL think this idea sucks.    

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Who in the hell are you

Who in the hell are you quoting, I never said or even implied "well, tax them because it won't effect me." 

Whining

This is exactly what I am getting from your post.  You very cheerfully embrace this stupid idea because, as you indicate throughout your post (and thus you do INDEED imply throughout), it will not effect you, and quite possibly because you are one of those who embrace and worship government and see it as a very big parent; a Big Nanny.

Do I need an exact quote?  No.  If you still have a problem with my reaction to it, I suggest you re-read your original post and either re-evaluate your stance, do some serious soul searching, learn to be a clearer writer, or...well, something other than whining.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

You better hope there's

You better hope there's never a tax on ignorance. You'll be bankrupt in less than a day.

Well...that's a liberal thought process

'Go ahead and tax the hell out of anything that doesn't personally impact me...'.  Excellent tool for making a point..you are.

I was on board the soda tax

I was on board the soda tax before I gave it up. I thought it was a great idea then, and I think it is a great idea now. And soda is way overpriced anyway.

This video clip from Stephen Colbert was from last spring but it still holds true. http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/227615/may-13-2009/stephen-s-coke-party-protest

Why dont you just donate your money

To the fed, if you think they deserve more? Or do you think penalizing what the fed deems as bad behavior is the way to go?

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Donate? That's not the liberal way

No where is it written a tax payer can't give the government MORE of their money....but liberals don't like that idea. They go after YOUR money!  Celebrities who think Obama is so great will NEVER give all they have except for $250,000....they choose to go after the money of the people who PAY to make them rich.  This is the liberal way of thinking....stupid huh?  Liberal Credo:  If the golden geese won't give it up...kill them...kill them all.

So if an item is overpriced

So if an item is overpriced it should be taxed? 

In the free market things aren't overpriced, they're priced at what they can sell for.

I think its a dumb-assed

I think its a dumb-assed idea, just like the tobacco tax is a dumb-assed idea. These petty tyrannies by the governmental goons all combine to make a major tyranny. We are being taxed out of existance now, why more?

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"That boy'll lie when the truth will do"

- Mrs. Johnson, 8th grade teacher (ca. 1970)

I,I,I

3 lines of text and 5 times used "I". Thanks for clarifying your position on this issue Mr. Theriot.

Well this was inevitable. 

Well this was inevitable.  Whenever some greedy government hack like Bloomberg trots out another "sin" tax "idea", someone from the parasite class jumps into a NewBusters thread to tell everyone how great an idea it is.  Just because you obviously lack the intelligence and self-control to manage your own beverage intake without some bureaucrat holding your hand does not make a regressive, confiscatory tax grab on everyone else a "great idea".  Intellectually lightweight, arrogant bums like you are a liability.  Why don't you check out for a while so that the adults in this country can clean up after the messes that you weak-willed, undisciplined leeches have made for the rest of us?

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

What does coke and pepsi

What does coke and pepsi think about this, it will surely cut into their revenue.

 Is that legal to tax other peoples products and hard work. Don't these companies already pay tax, maybe they are getting 12cent per soda kick back.

I smoke and now order my smokes off the net, have allways rolled my own.  My savings from the net are over 120 bucks per order, including shipping,  yea that cigarette tax worked real well for florida!!!

I am now getting it imported from NY oh the irony

"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on"--Thomas Jefferson

Not really Roo

 
What does coke and pepsi think about this, it will surely cut into their revenue.

 They will just pass it along to their customers, much like the cigarette co have. 

BTW, you should quit

The Gov makes more money off of tobaco and fuel then the folks that make it. Hows that for robbery, then they demonize those folks to boot

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Death and Taxes

Again, simple math, if you think the soda consumtion will remain the same i.e. 1 billion ounces sold, then say ok, were going to make one billion extra dollars, but yet you also promote decreased consumption, so less money, then when you over spend your estimate, you will say there is a shortfall, so lets raise more taxes. It is so earily similar to what Jim Doyle did here in Wisconsin, taxed cigs a dollar, now im not a smoker, and could care less, dont smoke in my house, but when they estimated the tax increase as if not one person was going to cut back, then were shocked when revenue was not where they predicted. Leave my soda alone!! I live on dew, will still buy dew, and as always, look for the sales, btw, 42, not 18.  

"Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?…  

Ceteris paribus

You should really think

You should really think about cutting down on your caffeine intake ; )

-Dead Ted

What a DUMB CLUCK she is...

I'm sure those 'billions of dollars' she refers to are based on sales of soda being at least what they are now. Of course, it's like a new toll booth: people find new routes to avoid the toll. People here will drink different stuff; the whole 'reduce obesity' thing might work out swell, but not the 'billions of dollars' pipe dream that NY Lib hacks have.

As with tobacco taxes, just

As with tobacco taxes, just that much less money people will spend on other things.

"Under Capitalism, man exploits man.  Under Communism it's just the opposite."

"All that Communism needs to make it successful is for someone to feed and clothe it."

How about an MSM tax? 

How about an MSM tax?  Maybe that would curtail the negative influence on society the MSM has.  Or, maybe it would force the MSM to be more "fair and balanced," resulting in more viewership.  That'd would be far more effective and beneficial than a tax on soda.

Once again the media try to

Once again the media try to dress up a tax and tell us what a good thing it is. For Michelle’s next report she’ll tell us how raising the gas tax so we’re paying seven dollars a gallon for gas will help fight obesity, since we’ll be walking more. And if we had less disposable income we couldn’t buy those sugary soft drinks so let’s raise the income tax. People will buy less of that fattening food at the same time. Finally she will tell us to turn all of our money over to the government and the government will give us a food ration of government approved food and drink. Just think how healthy everyone will be then. OK sarcasm off, they never give it a rest do they? Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to open a can of Coke and relax.

I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. - Hunter S. Thompson

Reaver

I think that is the plan. We will give China all our SUV's and we will get all their bicycles. The government will tell us how much healthier we will be riding bicycles etc. etc. etc. And then we can become a 3rd world sh!^hole like 80 percent of the world.

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

Sugar in the morning, sugar in the evening ...

It was just a few years ago when our liberal "friends" scoffed and called us "fear mongers" for predicting taxes on, regulations over, and lawsuits against fast food restaurants, sugared drinks, etc.

Remember! Whenever they call us fear-mongers, it's a dead giveaway that that's what's coming next! :-P

metaphorsbwithu

Best point of the day.

I hadn't considered that before.

But I won't forget.

 

Thx. 

I hope he fails, too.

Well, Blonde ...

... it must be all that caffeine I consume every day ... or will until they decide to tax that out of my price range. ;-)

Btw, they won't stop at sugar. They'll pull out some study that says artificial sweeteners are just as bad for our health ... and more.

Besides, it just wouldn't be fair to pick on Louisiana and all those sugar producing countries. Or would it?  

metaphorsbwithu

Will DIET soda be taxed?

So, is this a tax only on soda with sugar, fructose and such as sweeteners or will low/no calorie soda be included?

If they include all of the sodas, then the message is:  "We just want the money." 

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Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who kept their swords in the first place!

It doesn't matter whether

It doesn't matter whether they tax all sodas or just those "sugary" sodas, the message is still the same: the greedy government parasite just wants the money.  Even if they only tax "sugary sodas" now, they'll be back for the diet sodas next when they can't raise enough money to feed their insatiable appetite for other people's money.  They'll create some "health related" "justification" to feed the beast.  To borrow from the Manic Street Preachers: If You Tolerate This, Your Children Will Be Next.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

The City of Brotherly Love

The City of Brotherly Love is proposing a $0.02 per ounce tax on sodas. The chief nut Mayor Nutter thinks this will raise $77M in new revenue for the city which has a budget shortfall of about $50M. So their plan is to tax, then increase the budget by $27M! WTF are they thinking. There will be a significant dropoff in consumption and the extra $27M they are spending will contribute further to the deficit. My guess is that they will get somewhere near $40M if they do this. After all, people only need to cross over US1 to get soda that isn't taxed so heavily.

Hermano is Saving the Environment - One Ribeye at a Time! h/t Dr_Liberty

OOOO! Another great plan.

OOOO! Another great plan. Have the COmmonwealth of PA also tax soda, following in NY's footsteps. Then a $1 2L bottle of soda could cost $3.03!

Hermano is Saving the Environment - One Ribeye at a Time! h/t Dr_Liberty

OOOOO! And what is good for

OOOOO! And what is good for the state has to be great for the feds. Another 1 cent per ounce for them! It could raise billiyuns! And they could justify that by saying this will counter the subsidies they dole out for corn farmers to give us high fructose corn syrup, which has been theorized to be a cause of obesity and diabetes!

Blonde - how do you get rid of the silly bug? My next stop will obviously be the world government...

Hermano is Saving the Environment - One Ribeye at a Time! h/t Dr_Liberty

Punitative taxes hurt

Punitative taxes hurt everyone

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"That boy'll lie when the truth will do"

- Mrs. Johnson, 8th grade teacher (ca. 1970)

I think NB should impose a troll tax

$0.10 per word - $0.05 if what they are saying actually makes sense.

Just think of the server Matthew would be able to purchase in about a year.  :-)

-Dave

troll tax!

More like next week!

But Dave then your bat might start collecting dust. 

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

I think we in Atlanta should have a Coke party

You know. Hijack a bunch of Coca-Cola trucks, drive them to a bridge over the Hooch (that's Chattahoochee River for those of you who ain't from here) and start pouring it over the railing.

-Dave

Dave~

Ironically, all I need to make the drive is a Coke. ^_^

GG,

LOL - Yeah, I'd probably have one, too.

I can't stand Pepsi.

-Dave

Because nothing's as

Because nothing's as exciting as ####### with Americans' everyday necessities and finding way to give the government more of our money!

Michelle Miller, you raging jacktard! Someone should slap you right across the mouth for being the little ignorant media scrunt you've come to be.

bse5150... Please watch

bse5150...

Please watch the language here...after a year or more I'm quite sure you know the rules here.

Thanks~

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Why it's a double-plus

good idea.

New IRS 1040 EZ form:

1040 EZ (2010)

 

Line 1)  How much did you earn last year? $____________._____

Line 2) How much you owe (see line 1)     $____________._____

you forgot deductions

Deduction line

Enter $1,000,000 if you are a)democrat b)lobbyist c)work at GE or any of its affiliates d)union boss ________.__ 

"Relativity applies to physics, not ethics" Albert Einstein

I left the Republican party because the Republic party went to the LEFT of me.

Here's a work around for all us soda addicts:

 

 http://www.sodastreamusa.com/

 Make your own, kind of like prohibition and bath tub gin in the 1930's  ;)

Stupid nanny-state, progressive liberals at it again! Only one who profited were the gangsters a la Al Capone

RedNeck~

I really like this idea, but I'm not sure mine would come out tasting okay. [I tried to make soap once, and that turned out a little weird.]

JFK & Ronald Reagan were right?

  So they are taxing soda to get people to drink less soda.

  In other words, if you tax something, you get less of it.

  So this is an implicit endorsement of the Laffer Curve by the MSM. If you raise income taxes beyond a certain point, you get less income taxes as people have less incentive to work. Lowering income taxes can get you more income taxes to a certain point. People have more incentive to work harder or longer as they get to keep more of their money.

  Got it. The Laffer Curve. Thank you MSM.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Come on Vet, get in the spirit

Ya know, like taxing smokes, so we can give the children health care? So now if the kids dont get proper care, they can blame the smokers, who by virtue of their smoking, raise the price of health care. See, its very scientific,,, in a global warming kinda way.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

WTF

 Let's charge $17 per Coca Cola in New York State.Make the price of a pack of cigarettes... oh about $30.Raise the state income tax to 50%.... Then we can pay for everyone to have free rent, utilities, food, insurance, "health care" etc. Why should ANYONE have to "work?" What a nightmare. If people worked, they might be exposed to "majority white heterosexuals"... who of course, wish, deep down that we were all slaves..... damn them.. slap an additional 50% tax on White Male employers for such an arrogant attitude. If only we had a NEGRO DEMOCRAT president... that would TEACH YOU A LESSON!!!  

Give me soda or give me death!

Instead of a Tea Party, maybe its time for a soda party...gather at the Jefferson Mem'l and dump 1000s of liters into the Potomac!

Where's Charleston Heston when you need him - "you'll have to pry my soda pop from my cold dead hands!"

              

              This is the stupid govt. trying to control us, again. It will not work. It never works. People will still drink what they want. People still smoke cigarettes, so that didn't work. They still buy sugar, coffee, ect.. Control. That is the omly thing fueling this stupid tax. Throw the bums in prison.                                                                                                                                                                                                           

stupid consumers

Isn't it interesting that these mainstream media cretins find one consumer who agrees with their position and act like that person speaks for all other consumers of that product.  As for michelle miller and katie couric, well, the ratings speak for themselves.

Yes Jessie

Its about control. Last year one of La's largest sugar mills closed. Just yesterday Chavez took control of Venz. two sugar mills. Anybody connecting the dots yet?

No matter how you intervene

No matter how you intervene with social engineering, people without any identifiable risk factors, behaviors or genetic links will still die from various diseases.  The field of epidemiology can only identify so many controllable risk factors until it has reached the reductio ad absurdum.  Being alive means that you will die sooner or later, whether it is due to heart disease or being hit with a meteorite while you are cashing the check for your big lottery win.  These liberal idiots need to get a grip on that reality.

Right Sam*

Not only do the messianic liberals believe they have the right to decide life and death, (death panels and abortion), they also believe they can change the trajectory of that meteorite. (republic to socialism)

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