MSNBC’s Shuster: Brit Hume ‘Denigrated’ Christianity With Tiger Woods Comment

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During the 3PM ET hour of live coverage on MSNBC, anchor David Shuster claimed that Fox News political analyst Brit Hume "denigrated Christianity" when suggesting that scandal-ridden golfer Tiger Woods convert to the faith.

Shuster made the comments while discussing the issue with MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan, asking: "Doesn’t it also denigrate Christianity when you do that on a Sunday political talk show? This isn’t church, this isn’t some sort of holy setting, this is a political talk show....Doesn’t that minimize the significance of Christianity, when you bring a discussion of Christianity into a conversation about politics?"

Buchanan replied: "He’s not denigrating Christianity....A lot of us feel that there ought to be more discussion of religion in politics and religious beliefs and what’s moral and right and wrong." Shuster pressed him: "And you don’t think this diminishes Christianity in any way?" Buchanan shot back: "What do you think, the religion’s dropped a peg or two now?" Shuster sarcastically responded: "I do think it diminishes the discussion of Christianity....This wasn’t the ‘700 Club,’ this wasn’t ‘Theocracy Today.’"

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Shuster’s fellow anchor, Tamron Hall, not only attacked Hume, but Christianity as well as she remarked to Buchanan: "Pat, do we need to run down the list, just in the past year, of so-called Christian politicians who’ve been accused, or in many case flat-out had to admit because they were backed up against the wall, that they had affairs and other discretions?....is it just not good advice to do something like this, whether you’re Brit Hume or anyone, to hide behind a religion that certainly can be thrown right back at you."

Shuster later concluded the discussion by proclaiming: "...people turn to TV to get informed opinions about politics and not uninformed opinions about religion." Hall added: "David, we can skip church for the next two months after that segment."

Here is a transcript of the exchange:

SHUSTER: That comment has prompted a firestorm of criticism. And here to discuss the latest remarkable turn in our nation’s discussion about Tiger Woods, Pat Buchanan is an MSNBC political analyst, two time former candidate for president. Pat, is it ever, ever a wise idea for a political analyst to essentially anoint themselves somebody’s spiritual adviser, denigrate that person’s religion, and do so on a Sunday political talk show?

PAT BUCHANAN: Well, I’m a – consider myself a friend of Brit Hume and I think he was being candid and honest. And I don’t know what the Buddhist religion is, but there’s no doubt that Christianity is a religion of mercy and forgiveness and it’s conditional, of course, upon people altering their life and being sorry for what they’ve done. And I’m not a spiritual adviser to Tiger Woods, but-

SHUSTER: But would you ever volunteer that without being asked, I mean, it just seems-

BUCHANAN: No, well, it’s not done, quite frankly, religion in that terms isn’t really discussed. But I don’t – I’m not bothered by Brit Hume doing that. I think he means well, I just heard that for the first time, basically, I’ve read the transcript, and he was just sort of giving some kind of personal – his personal thoughts on it. I don’t really have a problem with Brit doing that, quite frankly.

TAMRON HALL: Pat, do we need to run down the list, just in the past year, of so-called Christian politicians who’ve been accused, or in many case flat-out had to admit because they were backed up against the wall, that they had affairs and other discretions? I mean, to the heart of what David is saying, if this is just about religion, all are flawed. Isn’t that what the Christian Bible says?

BUCHANAN: Well sure, all are flawed and all have failings, there’s no doubt about it. And I don’t think Brit was saying-

HALL: ‘And Judge not lest ye be judged.’ I mean, I can roll them all down, but is it just not good advice to do something like this, whether you’re Brit Hume or anyone, to hide behind a religion that certainly can be thrown right back at you.

BUCHANAN: Well first – well, I don’t think he was saying hide behind it. And I don’t think he was saying all Christians are not flawed and no Christian sins. I think what he was saying is religion is a – I mean, Christianity is a religion of mercy and forgiveness but it is not unconditional, things are required-

SHUSTER: But Pat, he was denigrating Buddhism in the process. And people who are Buddhist say that’s simply not true. I mean, look, here’s a statement from somebody who’s a Buddhist-

BUCHANAN: There are not a lot of Buddhists watching Fox, maybe.

SHUSTER: Right, well that may be true, but here’s the reaction from one of the Buddhist bloggers today. ‘Could Hume get away with saying something like this about Jewish people or the Muslim faith? You betcha he couldn’t. Why should he be able to skate away Scott free when speaking about Buddhists?’

BUCHANAN: I don’t agree. Let me say, suppose you said certain things about the Muslim faith and saying that it tends to be, in a lot of areas, very intolerant of other Christ – of other religions. And it does. I don’t know the Buddhist faith, as I said, but I think this is Brit Hume’s view of it. I don’t know if he’s right or wrong about it. The Shinto religion’s a little tough on guys that had their failings, as you know, in Japan, in places like that.

SHUSTER: But why volunteer this? Why go there? Why – I mean, look, we all respect Brit’s view, the faith works for him, it work’s for you, my faith works for me. But why go on a political show and anoint yourself the adviser to a celebrity in trouble and say ‘my faith is the right one, his is a failure for him’?

BUCHANAN: Because I think that’s his view. And do we really want political correctness or do you want Brit Hume to tell, when you ask him, what he thinks?

SHUSTER: Right, but-

BUCHANAN: He doesn’t think Buddhism-

SHUSTER: But doesn’t it also denigrate Christianity when you do that on a Sunday political talk show. This isn’t church, this isn’t some sort of holy setting, this is a political talk show.

BUCHANAN: He’s not denigrating Christianity. He’s saying it’s a religion-

SHUSTER: By talking about it on a Sunday political talk show. Doesn’t that minimize the significance of Christianity, when you bring a discussion of Christianity into a conversation about politics?

BUCHANAN: A lot of us feel that there ought to be more discussion of religion in politics and religious beliefs and what’s moral and right and wrong.

SHUSTER: And you don’t think this diminishes Christianity in any way?

BUCHANAN: No.

SHUSTER: Wow. Okay.

BUCHANAN: What do you think, the religion’s dropped a peg or two now?

SHUSTER: No.

BUCHANAN: Because of a comment-

SHUSTER: I do think it diminishes the discussion of Christianity. My Christian friends have said as much, that it diminishes the discussion of Christianity and faith when you have a conversation out-of-the-blue on a political talk show. This wasn’t the ‘700 Club,’ this wasn’t ‘Theocracy Today.’

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Oh, look, someone else attacking Brit Hume and his faith.

I'd suggest that both Shuster and Hall were diving into unfamiliar waters by attempting to talk about both a Christian and Christianity.  Unfortunate, particularly when their talk was dismissive and insulting.

David, we don't have to have "holy settings" when the discussion turns to God.  Why, a Sunday talk show will do just fine!

And so will a conservative news blog...

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I am not surprised. If some so called 'conservatives' on this

site had their way we would not be able to share Christ anywhere...  and this statement is not much of a stretch.

Paul...if you're going to

Paul...if you're going to make the accusation, I think you have an obligation to identify--by screen name--these "so called conservatives" whom you have in mind.

Jer

→ You're safe Jer

I don't think anybody so-called you any such thing. 

Ha! yeah, I would say so.

Ha! yeah, I would say so.

EDIT: This meaning I agree with you CA, just to avoid confusion.

"Denigrated Christianity"????

That comment shows just how completely ignorant these people are.....!  How on earth do you "denigrate" Christianity by suggesting an individual in dire need of Christ's help, to seek him.....doesn't this buffoon know what "Christianity" means?   God help us, the stupidity in these liberals is beyond imagining!!!

Not yet, Cool...still

Not yet, Cool...still waiting for Dan the Man to state his "viable convictions" about me.  Until then, I tremble with fear.

Jer

→ Viable convictions

I don't even know how to process such a charge.  I was similarly perplexed at the use of the term "hypothetical moron" the other day.

Aside from being thoroughly tickled, I never quite made sense of it. 

"hypothetical moron"

It could have something to do with that "better to be silent and only thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" thing.

Jer

Jer

Wow Shuster proved that was true.Ahh that doesnt apply to online forums since folks are using a keyboard right?Dont make me pull the twinkie defense.

Schuster...

Schuster gives new meaning to the term derelict idiot. This guy is nothing more than a partisan hack who thinks he is far smarter than he is. I couldn't have a lower opinion of him.

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I think he would lose of battle of wits with a rock.I dont know why NBC let him come up from his desk in the basement.

Cool Arrow, I'm curious

Cool Arrow,

I'm curious to know who pahuber was referring to.

No, Jer, I have no such obligation.

: ) 

I must be one of those

I must be one of those "so-called" conservatives who reject a public profession of evangelical Christianity as as prerequisite fro being a "true" conservative. I further am turned off by some people turning a political discussion into a Battle of Scripture quotes. If this offends some here - I really don't care anymore.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Chris.... Amen to

Chris....

Amen to that...I'm right with ya.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

What an extrapolation, Chris.

I must be one of those "so-called" conservatives who reject a public
profession of evangelical Christianity as as prerequisite fro being a
"true" conservative.

You seem to be one of those people who sound off with absolutely no clue as to what they are saying.

I have not made the above assertion, but don't let facts get in the way of your post.

 

 

 

Pahuber, I have learned you

Pahuber,

I have learned you have managed to offend a number of people here, so apparently I know what I am talking about.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Chris Norman, you made an accusation against me. Now back

it up.  

I have learned you have managed to offend a number of people here, so apparently I know what I am talking about.

This is not about my discussion with Blonde, or QueenMum or chosestrife or any of those who have found the need to 'help' them. 

This is about your comments in your initial post to me.  It appears you're just using attacks.

Christ Norman, are you accusing me of this? Because you have

decided to direct your comment at me.

I must be one of those "so-called" conservatives who reject a public
profession of evangelical Christianity as as prerequisite fro being a
"true" conservative. I further am turned off by some people turning a
political discussion into a Battle of Scripture quotes.

 Have I started a 'Battle of Scripture quotes' or accuse anybody of not being a conservative that 'rejected a public profession of evangelical Christianity'?

I have noticed that you have not responded since your last post to me other than to try and use this:

I have learned you have managed to offend a number of people here, so apparently I know what I am talking about.

- Chris, this is no defense against slander (if intended).

- You are using hearsay by whom to defend your attack post?

- Did you understand my meaning in the intended post or just decide that the good ol' fashion knee jerk reaction w/o giving much thought to whatever you post works best for you?

** Chris Norman, you seem to be part of the problem on NewsBusters if this is the tact you are going to take. **

 

Brit's getting better

At tweaking the lamestream media.

You go Brit ... That was a well landed punch.

Aahhhhh Schuster.....

...defender of the faith...

 

 

 

Remember in November 2010...toss

I'd like....

I'd like to smack Schuster in the mouth. I can't stand that guy.

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One thing that's fun about Christianity...

Every day, when you wake up, you get to choose, whom you are going to serve.

Christianity is a relationship.. new every day..

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I'm curious...

...what does a discussion about a pro-athlete have to do with politics in the first place? So, in that context wouldn't anything be fair game?

Did I miss something here?

→ Great observation

It has nothing to do with politics and therefore is open to anybody's opinion as to how TW should extricate himself.

If Stephen Colbert suggested a Novena to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I doubt Shuster would say word one about it.

And since it's obvious Shuster believes in Jesus about as much as he believes in the FSM,I don't see where his complaint is coming from.

And I'm sure there's a church out there that condemns the practice of ending a sentence with a preposition.

Shuster states that "people turn to TV to get informed...

 Shuster states that "people turn to TV to get informed opinions about politics and not uninformed opinions about religion." Then, why would anyone ever watch MSNBC in the first place? Their line-up is formidable: Shuster, Maddow, Olbermann, Matthews, Shultz, and Hall. None should ever be let out without proper supervision.

Gosh, David, where were you

Gosh, David, where were you when Barack Obama was being compared to the Messiah, and the social teachings of the Bible were so enmeshed in his politics that one would have thought he was running as the Christian Party candidate?

Was THIS OK with you?

I would guess that you thought associating Obama with it was a plus for Christianity.

SHUSTER has no clue

This argument is so transparent, it's laughable. Shuster has no clue what Christianity is about. He is simply taking an opportunity to bash a conservative. Jesus immersed Himself in the politics of the day, because the politics of the day were destroying the people He cam to save. This is what fools like Shuster will never understand. A Christian is a Christian because they have a PERSONAL relationship with God. Brit Hume spoke from his heart about Tiger Woods. The venue he chose was irrelevant. Shuster uses his cable pulpit everyday to spew the hatred of his chosen religion, Radical Liberalism. Thankfully only a handful of people watch.

CA...cranky English teachers

And I'm sure there's a church out there that condemns the practice of ending a sentence with a preposition.

Nah...but I'm sure there are some cranky English teachers with a bone to pick...

ONTHERIGHT...

David Shuster talking about Brit Hume talking about Tiger Woods was done to bash FoxNews, pure & simple. Hume had said he believed that Woods is a Buddhist, but he said he was'nt sure, & from what he knew about buddhism is that he was'nt sure about the idea of redemption within the buddhist faith. Brit suggested christianity because of it's redemptive qualities.

But I want to see the glass half full, at least Shuster did'nt say Brit was pimping christianity for ratings or something like that. He's said things like that before.

VIEWER ALERT: Brit will be on with O'Reilly in a few minutes to talk about it.

 

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Shuster later concluded the

Shuster later concluded the discussion by proclaiming: "...people turn
to TV to get informed opinions about politics and not uninformed
opinions about religion." Hall added: "David, we can skip church for
the next two months after that segment."

Mile-Wide-Mouth is hilarious here with his hypocrisy....along with Tamaron...if they think for one second that people clamor to their network for 'infomed political opinions' or any other informed opinions, they are sorely lacking in any kind of rational thought whatsoever...then again, that's why they were hired in the first place. ..and still have jobs.

Pathetic...the whole danged network.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

BT

If people go to NBC to get informed political opinions they can go to DNC website.Same thing.There should be a little disclaimer on NBC/MSNBC shows.These talking points provided by the Democratic Party.The DNC approves this propaganda.

In Other Words Only Liberals

In other words, apparently, only liberals get to judge others because they have no morals, or values, or higher doctrine they follow other than 'me, me, me, me'.  It's easy when you have no boundaries or even self-governing expectations...no bars too high not to be able to slither under.  It's only when you claim to have a higher purpose in life other than self-service, self-fulfillment, and self-promotion that you set yourself up for judgement from the mighty liberals.  God help any one who looks to God for help, forgiveness, and peace if you want the liberal vote of approval...which you can find in any road stop toilet.  Liberals are a waste of skin....in my opinion only.  God feels differently.

I don't think Hume

I don't think Hume denigrated Christianity. That doesn't really make sense.

→ I agree bal

It's not like Brit Hume made mention of the Clintons pimping out Chelsea.

Now, that would be denigrating. 

balboa

Yeah right.All you right wing extremist are all the same.I am calling Janet.It is too early in the year to agree with you.You are correct IMABHO.Shuster is trying to make hay out of it.

Same ole, same ole prejudice.

Just another attempt to gag a differing viewpoint.  Same hypocrisy, different day. 

Good news (besides the Word):  the majority of people in US believe in God and these morons just alienate them every chance they get.  Fortunately, they think We the People are ignorant and so cannot perceive their hypocrisy.

Of course we can, propogandists, and we will illustrate our indignation when we vote.

"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the Plain Meaning of Words!" ~Sam Adams

shuster

He is an idiot. I saw Hume's comments. He was encouraging Woods to work on his character and his swing and possibly a Christian moment could get him back on track.

 Shuster is being hypocritical by saying that politics and christianity should not be spoken on Sundays when he speaks about politics on Sundays by belittling Hume. Who does he think we are? Yes, thats it idiots. 

I hate that guy. 

"My Christian friends have said as much"

Given David Shuster's Godless mouth, I find it hard to believe he has "Christian friends."  Although, he certainly could use some.

Concern? From the Atheist Network?

Nice to hear the Atheist Network's reporters are so concerned about Christianity being 'denigrated'....

Lest anyone think I'm being unfair by branding them the Atheist Network, I dare you to call them up.  Ask them to get one - just ONE - of their reporters to go on air and admit that they believe in Christ and that they think obeying the gospel of Christ is the best way for a person to live their life and achieve happiness.

I'd wager dollars for donuts that they haven't got the guts.  If they have done so, I've never heard it.  (Granted, I'd just as soon eat the leftovers from a reality show challenge than watch MSNBS...)

So Buchanan doesn't

So Buchanan doesn't count?

Jer

→ Jer

My take

Check out the usual assumptions about religion being displayed here:

  • Religion is completely personal and private, so keep it to yourself.
  • Similarly, religion belongs only in church. If you follow your faith outside of church, you're like some kind of wingnut or sumpthin.
  • You cannot promote your religion without grievously insulting every other religion.
  • "Judge not lest ye be judged" means that no one should ever criticize anyone, anything, anywhere, anytime.

Of course, the silliest assumption is that people watch TV to hear informed opinions. TV kills intelligent expression of thought, especially when there are hosts involved. What we hear, instead, is a class of self-appointed experts who have self-appointed themselves to express self-appointed conventional wisdom. That's why we don't watch CNN or MSNBC, and we only watch the shows where George Will, Bill Bennett, Brit Hume, or Charles Krauthammer are likely to appear.

Other than that, when we want informed opinions, we read them. Watching serious opinion journalists on TV is like watching Playboy models cook in the kitchen. Sure, you see them, but that's not where you came to enjoy them in the first place.

Schuster is a dimwit

Why wasn't Schuster upset about whoever brought up the issue of Tiger on this political show as denigrating golf?

Shuster must be on

Shuster must be on drugs! Seriously, what normal person free from the effects of drugs, or even Alcohol, thinks like him?

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I knew this was going to happen...

As soon as I saw Brit say this yesterday, I immediately knew that he'd be targeted for it...Meet Brit Hume, the libnut left's newest pinata.

What stuns me here about this latest "bash the conservative" episode is not what Brit said...He's right on target. What stuns me is the barely concealed contempt for Christianity (and Christians) that many on the left, such as Shuster and Hall, are revealing by their comments about this. With every word they utter, these twits show that they are the ones that are truly denigrating Christianity.

Jerks.  

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

Lets face it

Brit has more integrity in his little toe, then his distractors combined. The fact they even mention Brit in this light, diminishes them !!

 

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gc...Yep!

Their idiotic comments say much more about them than about Brit. Brit's the best.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

→ Hume on O'Reilly

Just saw Hume address the topic on O'reilly.

Didn't back down from his belief Tiger needs Jesus.

I'm with you Brit.  Seems like when you retired from Special Report you said something about improving your golf game and your relationship with God.

Anybody got access that clip? 

Cool...I missed it...

Had to run an errand, but will catch the re-run at 10pm...

In reference to his retirement, Brit has mentioned his faith more than once...In addition to his comments on Special Report, awhile back I saw him in an interview on C-SPAN, where he said much the same thing. More power to him...They don't come better than Brit. 

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

I didn't realize he had retired.

Good for him. So, he was acting as a guest commentator? People need to mind their own effing business - including the christians who seem to think everything needs to turn into a battle. Get over it; dont' take yourselves so seriously.

Mr. Shuster's Experience

Mr. Shuster's experience with Christianity is exactly what again????

Denigrate Christianity???

What planet do these people live on???

"Doesn’t it also denigrate Christianity when you do that on a Sunday political talk show? This isn’t church, this isn’t some sort of holy setting, this is a political talk show....Doesn’t that minimize the significance of Christianity, when you bring a discussion of Christianity into a conversation about politics?"

How exactly does it denigrate Christianity to express to an adulterer (Commandment number 7: Thou shalt not commit adultery) that he needs to repent and ask God to forgive him and allow the Lord to become a source of strength in his life?

What Hume said is the EXACT same thing GOD IS SAYING to Tiger and to ALL of us! Repent!

Again, the argument of the liberal is to PRIVATIZE Christianity. Notice no OTHER religion in the world needs to be privatized, only Christianity. 

I want to point out something very important here. If Christianity is God's purpose for humankind -- to become followers of Christ -- to be saved from sin -- to receive eternal life and to seek and save the lost through evangelism -- and liberals then oppose the public acknowledgement of God and public profession of God through evangelism -- if Jesus is God and He was right when He said that "He is the way, the truth and the life and no one goes to the Father except through Him", and the Bible says, "There is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved" -- then does it not follow that liberals stand in direct opposition to the will and Word of God when they insist on privatizing the Faith?

God insists that the Gospel is to go into all the world and that men are to become disciples after Jesus Christ. Liberals insist that they shouldn't, that the Gospel should become extinct. Liberals then are standing directly in the path of the One True and Holy God.

I would sure hate to be them. They are playing with a fire that they know not of!

Psalm 37:32-34  The wicked watches for the righteous and seeks to put him to death. The LORD will not abandon [the righteous] to [the wicked man's] power or let him be condemned when he is brought to trial [by wicked men]. Wait for the LORD and keep his way, and he will exalt you to inherit the land; you will look on when the wicked are cut off.

There is cominig a time, if this continues, when God will cut them off. It won't be done as a result of anything we do, but what God Himself will do. God is patient. He wants none to perish, but like any good parent there comes a time when He says: Enough! Standing in God's way is foolish.

 

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Brit Hume

Brit Hume was right.  His approach was humble, yet forthright - hardly a denigration of Christianity.  It is his attackers who have the problem, not Brit.

Not a denegration of christianity...

Just typical christian "holier than thou" babble. The only thing that might need to be pointed out here is that Hume had his commentator hat on when he said that - sometimes he has his journalist hat on, and generally is quite good, but there is a difference. I think the problem here is that so many sheeple, on both sides; jumped onto the fact that a journalist delivered a commentary without understanding the distinction. If I were a journalist - I would withold the commentary, but to each their own.

Hatred of Christianity

Their hatred of Christianity is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

 

If you were to question, press and prod the left, the real root of
their visceral hatred of President Bush and Sarah Palin; it  is their faith,
their Christianity they really hate.

The engine which drives the lefts various derangement
syndromes is a hatred for Christianity; it is raw bigotry plain and simple.

I think the thing people need to keep center stage in their understanding
of the left is this simple fact it is not just Bush, or Palin 

 IT IS YOU THEY HATE 

Wow...you're abso-Fing-lutely nuts.

Who hates your faith? You're a whiny liberal, who just happens to have an imaginary friend - but your imaginary friend is better than all other imaginary friends, so you get pissed off that someone else doesn't suffer from the same delusions you do. You're pathetic and are absolutely no better than any one of the socialists you pretend to be so worried about; you're fine with socialism as long as the socialists all go to the same church. Hypocrite. The problem with President Bush is that he was a bad president, he expanded the government and ignored the constitution - but you don't mind because he's a christian? Sarah Palin is an unknown quantity, likely better than Bush or Obama, but still very probably another liberal conservative with socialist leanings - but you don't mind because she's a christian. Try pretending that you actually believe the things you think you believe - a little critical thought might do you well - as long as jesus doesn't get pissed off with you over it.

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You seem to not understand the fundamental distinction between a liberty-oriented government and statism, Warp, so let's start with the basics. People who support statism de-facto worship government, mainly for the interest of increasing their own personal power, because they are wannabe tyrants. Statists Always hate Christians, because nothing interferes more with their dreams of unlimited power than Christianity.

I see that you use the whole "imaginary friend" routine. That makes you feel superior, but it's important to remember that not all gods are the same. Not only does following Allah necessarily produce terrorism, but following Jesus does not. So there is objective evidence that some beliefs are better than others, and thus, worth more than idle snarkiness.

The role of Christianity (and Judeism, which are its roots) in the founding of our country cannot be whitewashed with a few simple sentences. Go read "The 5000 Year Leap" or "Liberty and Tyranny" to get a flavor of it. Until then, denigrating Christianity as irrelevant and unimportant to an understanding of liberty shows only your ignorance.

You also accuse the poster above you of saying a bunch of things he didn't say, which makes your critical reasoning pretty poor.

You have a lot of learning and growing up to do, Warp.   

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Nicely done, Tenebrous.

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...it's Jesus they hate.

...it is their faith, their Christianity they really hate.

Actually it's Jesus they hate.  If you keep your 'christainity' quiet and private, you are safe.  It's when you name the name of Jesus when you are called out, when you do the things He asks us to do, you are called out.

Stay quiet and pivate and you are safe.  Although you don't become much of a 'light on a hill', but hidden under your basket.  Safe.

v

Tiger Woods

 

Brit Hume and panel were talking about Tiger Woods not politics but I guess either that important fact didn't fit the agenda or no one participating actually watched the show. 

In their attempt to waste our time with catty filler they don't realize they are insulting and diminishing their own viewers intellect, As the ratings show maybe they just dont care.

Meanwhile, in the real

Meanwhile, in the real world...the Marxists are working to accrue more and more power.

Know what, the hell with Tiger Woods and all these other "celebrities", and the jocks chasing a ball around somewhere, and the billion dollar blockbuster CGI masterpieces...

While we're twittering away over gossip about people we don't even know, and who have never done squat for us, we're being enslaved.

"Under Capitalism, man exploits man.  Under Communism it's just the opposite."

"All that Communism needs to make it successful is for someone to feed and clothe it."

classic liberal narrowmindedness

re: the Shuster comment ("....denigrate Christianity on a political talk show...") typifies classic liberal narrowmindedness-- if he were to transport back in time, and listen in on the original consitutional conventions of the late 1700's, he would be saying the same thing against THEM-- they literally WROTE the thing based on Christian principles, or how best to let people of a nation live that way, for the benefit of people of the entire world, with the least amount government intrusion-- it is the very stuff on which political discussion should be based, as opposed to this current-day anti-Christian bilge which requires a closed-minded, arrogant attitude!

Pagan whores

The "wanna be" celebrities (Schuster and Hall) are so afraid of God, their open prostyletizing of PAGAN values is an insult and  it clearly leaves one to ask, just how shameful are the lives they lead, that they must try to "hide" God from the public?  Maybe she is as cheap as a dime store whore, and he gets off on little boyz..maybe thats what is behind their FEAR.  Thats what it is ...Fear.  How dare they tell someone/anyone they cant broadcast their personnal views on an OPINION talk show, thats what PUNDITS do...give OPINIONS.  Who do these bozo talking heads thnk they are? But this isnt about that at all, this speaks to their despise of God...Sadly these two will burn in hell, figuring out way too late, the mercy of God, instead they choose to Mock God, Well Tamar, here's a little Bible quote to add to your pitiful repitoire, God will NOT be Mocked!

David and Tamron

You need to do some real research into the principle tenets of Christianity. Then you might begin to understand what Brit meant. You don't have the option of saying "My Christian friends say.....". You need to do the research for yourselves!

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