CBS Hails ObamaCare; Calls French Health Care ‘Best in the World’

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On CBS’s Sunday Morning correspondent Martha Teichner touted President Obama’s latest PR blitz to promote health care reform: "For the third time in five days, Barack Obama used the presidential bully pulpit on behalf of what he’s now calling health insurance reform. No more letting the angry opposition control the agenda."

Teichner dismissed that "angry opposition" by declaring: "Here’s a question. Do they even know what’s in the bills currently being considered by Congress? Do you?" Teichner and two liberal supporters of the Obama health care plan proceeded to educate viewers as to what was being proposed.

She spoke with former head of the left-wing group People for the American Way, Ralph Neas, now CEO of the supposedly "non-partisan" National Coalition on Health Care that is pushing for reform. In addition, Teichner spoke with University of North Carolina Professor Jonathan Oberlander, who in a July 22 article for the liberal British newspaper The Guardian wrote: "The Obama administration is pushing Congress to enact health reform legislation this year. And against all odds, Obama may pull it off....Obama’s election, after all, is a reminder that history is not always repeated. Sometimes it is made."

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During the Sunday Morning segment, Neas argued: "The United States spends twice as much as the average of all the industrialized countries in the world. One half of all the foreclosures, one half of all the bankruptcies, are because people can’t pay their medical bills and it’s because of the broken system that we have."

After Teichner highlighted Sarah Palin’s claim that the Obama health care plan would lead to "death panels" in an effort to ration care, Oberland claimed: "You would have a greater chance of being killed by a Death Star in one of the Star Wars movies than you would being killed by a government-run death panel, which is to say they don’t exist." He went on to argue that the health care plan "is absolutely good for seniors."

Teichner concluded her report: "‘A contest between hope and fear,’ he called the fight for health care reform. At week’s end, with the decibel level still rising, Barack Obama’s battle cry had the unmistakable sound of his presidential campaign."

Following Teichner, correspondent Sharyl Attkisson spoke with left-wing advocate of health care reform, Brown University Professor James Morone, who observed: "It certainly does seem like Groundhog Day through the years, because the problems with the health system are so acute that every time we fight this out, even when we blow it, even when it goes away, it’s back again. It’s like Winston Churchill says, ‘count on Americans to do the right thing after they’ve exhausted all other possibilities.’"

Not being content with cheerleading for ObamaCare at the top of the show, Sunday Morning host Charles Osgood later introduced another segment on the issue, this time looking overseas for inspiration: "Ahead, when in France. David Turecamo examines what may be the best health care system in the world.....most Americans want change, many also say they definitely don’t want a European-style system. But how many of us know just what that means?"

Correspondent David Turecamo proceeded to praise the French health care system:

See, 65% is covered by the national health system. The rest is picked up by private insurance, which is available to everyone at a nominal cost....French doctors make a lot less than their American counterparts – roughly fifty to a hundred thousand dollars a year. That’s because the French government, not the doctors or pharmaceutical companies, no, the French government sets the prices for everything, prices they feel are reasonable. Now critics argue that’s socialized medicine, but other doctors say it’s what we call managed care....Sound good? Well, eight years ago, the World Health Organization released a study ranking France as having the best health care system in the world.

Turecamo did go on to admit: "Well even the French tend to roll their eyes when they hear that and the study itself has been criticized for its methodology." However he quickly followed up by claiming: "...it’s not just the quality of health care this country offers, it’s the fact that it’s offered to everyone. Every man, woman, and child who is a legal resident in France is covered by national health care. It’s a comprehensive system that’s innovative as well."

Turecamo concluded his report by noting: "So is their system really better than ours, the best in the world? Well the only thing I can say definitively is in France at least you can go to the hospital without going broke."

Here is a full transcript of Teichner’s report:

9:07AM SEGMENT

MARTHA TEICHNER: Yesterday, the location was Grand Junction, Colorado.

BARACK OBAMA: These struggles have always boiled down to a contest between hope and fear. It was true when social security was born, it was true when Medicare was created, it’s true in today’s debate.

TEICHNER: For the third time in five days, Barack Obama used the presidential bully pulpit on behalf of what he’s now calling health insurance reform. No more letting the angry opposition control the agenda.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN B: They’re Marxist. They’re socialist.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN B: Pure government takeover. I am definitely-

TEICHNER: Here’s a question. Do they even know what’s in the bills currently being considered by Congress? Do you?

OBAMA: For all of the chatter and the yelling and the shouting and the noise, what you need to know is this. If you don’t have health insurance, you will finally have quality affordable options once we pass reform.

TEICHNER: Right now, though, reform is a moving target, still changing. There is no such thing as an Obama bill. The President presented a wish list to Congress, where five different committees – three in the House and two in the Senate – are in various stages of drafting bills with some big differences, but a lot of similarities.

RALPH NEAS: All agree that all Americans should be covered. They all agree that you cannot be denied coverage because of a preexisting condition.

TEICHNER: Ralph Neas is CEO of the National Coalition on Health Care, a nonpartisan alliance of groups working for health care reform.

NEAS: They all agree that if you leave a job, you don’t lose health care coverage. They all agree if you have health care coverage you can’t be denied it once you get sick.

JONATHAN OBERLANDER: And they would mandate that all but the smallest employers would have to provide insurance to their workers.

TEICHNER: Jonathan Oberlander teaches health policy and management at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

JONATHAN OBERLANDER: The second thing that they would do is create a new marketplace where the uninsured and small businesses could go to get insurance. It would be called a health insurance exchange and if you didn’t have insurance from your employer, you would get subsidies from the government and you would go to this exchange and you could choose what insurance plan you would have.

TEICHNER: And each of the proposals would expand Medicaid. Where there’s disagreement is over how all of this would be paid for, and over the so-called ‘public option,’ a government-run health care plan that would be available alongside private plans.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN C: Nobody tells me how to live my life.

TEICHNER: The public option is by no means a done deal.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN D: I don’t want this country turning into Russia, turning into a socialized country.

TEICHNER: But tell that to the people doing all the yelling at town hall meetings last week.

ARLEN SPECTER: We are not moving to socialism.

NEAS: The reason they oppose the public option is they think it’s a stalking horse. They think the real plan of President Obama, or those who want health care reform, is to have single-payer, totally government-run health care reform. It will fail if people think it is tilted to kill the private insurance industry.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN C: We don’t need Obama or his crew to tell us how to die.

TEICHNER: And now to address some of health care reform’s hottest hot-button issues, such as the reference to a ‘death panel’ on Sarah Palin’s Facebook page.

OBERLANDER: You would have a greater chance of being killed by a Death Star in one of the Star Wars movies than you would being killed by a government-run death panel, which is to say they don’t exist.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN E: What is your position on taxpayer-funded abortion?

TEICHNER: Hot-button issue number two: abortion.

NEAS: To the contrary, there is language in the House Energy and Commerce bill that says federal monies cannot be used for abortions.

[EXCERPT FROM TV AD]

UNIDENTIFIED ANNOUNCER: For seniors, this will mean long waits for care, cuts to MRIs, CAT Scans-

TEICHNER: And those television ads aimed at the elderly-

ANNOUNCER: Seniors may lose their own doctors.

OBERLANDER: That is absolutely false. In fact, the opposite is true. This legislation is absolutely good for seniors.

NEAS: The United States spends twice as much as the average of all the industrialized countries in the world. One half of all the foreclosures, one half of all the bankruptcies, are because people can’t pay their medical bills and it’s because of the broken system that we have.

TEICHNER: The American public agrees.

SARAH DUTTON: Our most recent poll found that more than eight out of ten Americans think the U.S. health care system either needs fundamental changes or needs to be completely rebuilt. Even seventy percent of Republicans feel that way.

TEICHNER: Sarah Dutton is head of surveys for CBS News. An end of July poll showed two-thirds of Americans supporting some sort of public option, although fewer Republicans than Democrats. Where Americans are most ambivalent is over the cost of health care reform.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN D: We can’t spend any more money. We’ve got to stop.

TEICHNER: Hot-button number three.

RANDY RATHIE: You can’t tell us how you’re going to pay for this.

OBAMA: You are absolutely right that I can’t cover another 46 million people for free. Two-thirds of the money we can obtain just from eliminating waste and inefficiencies.

TEICHNER: But the Congressional Budget Office has put a trillion-dollar price tag on health care reform over the next ten years and calculates it will add $239 billion to the federal deficit. And what happens if health care reform fails?

OBERLANDER: The Urban Institute estimates that as many as sixty-six million Americans could be without health insurance in 2019.

NEAS: That’s why the Congress and the President takes this so seriously. There is now, every year, $2.5 trillion spent on health care. This 2.5 trillion will soon be 3.5 trillion, $5 trillion. Our economy cannot sustain it now.

OBAMA: For all the scare tactics out there, what’s truly scary is if we don’t do anything.

TEICHNER: ‘A contest between hope and fear,’ he called the fight for health care reform. At week’s end, with the decibel level still rising, Barack Obama’s battle cry had the unmistakable sound of his presidential campaign.

OBAMA: I need your help. I need you to stand for hope. I need you to knock on doors. I need you to spread the word, because we are going to get this done this year. Thank you, Grand Junction. Thank you.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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The French?

Isn't the French health care system the one that, during a heat wave in the country a few years ago, had a lot of its patients die because the hospitals didn't have air conditioning?  And weren't the doctors too busy on their government-encouraged vacations to come back to care for them?

French are the best at everything !

and the French also have the best armed forces also with their great track record in the 20th century.

Don't the English also have the best cuisine in the world ?

Now, let's be fair.... it

Now, let's be fair.... it was only about 15,000. It actually worked out pretty well. Dead people don't use health care.

Logic V. The Numbers

ObamaCare is designed to treat the healthy 

JDW

DAILY WAVE

Jobs, jobs, jobs ... Spending, spending, spending

JDW... Spot-on! Obama's

JDW...

Spot-on!

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Nasty Perspectives

These willies will not back away from abortion yet they are anti-death penalty?

The ObamaCare provision for seniors is to be held in front of a death panel.

Please connect the dots for me. 

JDW

DAILY WAVE

Jobs, jobs, jobs ... Spending, spending, spending

I think they meant

I think they meant "haircare" not "healthcare" - mon dieu, zoze accentez!

Lib Pinheads

Je me demande si elle a jamais été en France

JDW

DAILY WAVE

Jobs, jobs, jobs ... Spending, spending, spending

Martha Teicner dismisses

Martha Teicner dismisses "the angry opposition " and asks "do you even know whats in the bill in Congress?

 

Yes Martha, Its kind of like having Ray Charles driving down the I-95 corridor through DC while he's lost and him asking me to pass one of the 600 maps in the back seat so he can find his way.

 

 

Well, you can say anything

Well, you can say anything and if no one is around to debate what you said (convientely), then there is no debate (or as liberals now call it, "discussion").

Fortunately, I live in a world where I actually know French people (and Germans, and Canadians, and Barbadians, and Brits, etc.) and they don't paint the same picture as the great healer.

cbs hails obamacare

We all know CBS is biased to the far left, but this report still left me practically speechless with its unfairness.  Ralph Neas is a committed far leftist whose previous association with the liberal People for the American Way wasn't even mentioned! 

It wasn't mentioned in

It wasn't mentioned in order to save energy and not to use up too much cyberspace so they can save the planet.

You just have to understand this and all the good things the left is trying to do for us.

 

sarc/off

What happened to Sweden

What happened to Sweden having the best health care in the world?  Oh, then it became Switzerland...oh, and now it's France's turn.

Huh?

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

And we don't even any witch

And we don't even have any witch doctors like Zimbabwe.

We suck. 

I don't think many people watch these shows any more...

Broadcast networks have basically gone obsolete and only preach to their own. You can expect a very low quality from an abandoned format.

 

"Democrats; Breeding voters like farm animals since 1962"

"The One" Obama ...

"The One" Obama, a supposed constitutional lawyer, apparently doesn't know what the U.S. Constitution says. He and his liberal pals continue to try to do things that they have no authority to do under the U.S. Constitution. And the congress is following the same course. The course this administration is following will most likely damage this country beyond its ability to recover.

Obama and his gang of thugs need to be stopped by every legal means available to "We the People".

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

Also remember folks, that the way to SUPPORT THE TROOPS is to support their mission. Anyone who says that they support the troops but don't support their mission is lying about supporting the troops. And if you want to know, yes I do have a dog in the fight, he is a United States Marine.

ARLEN SPECTER: We are not

ARLEN SPECTER: We are not moving to socialism.

<Chris Matthews imitation>  HA!!

I'm too worn out by this crap to even comment further.

But maybe that's their plan.

MB~

I understand, but we can't let down. Yes, it's too much crap to deal with sometimes & is extremely tiring -- but I do think that's part of their plan...just to confuse and wear conservatives out so we give up because it's too irritating & exhausting to want to fight anymore -- so let's not fall for it. That said, there are days where we all have to take a break or we'll lose our minds. ((^_^)) Thank goodness there are others to take up the slack when we just have to turn everything off and be silent for a day or two!

French doctors make $50,000 a year?

I wonder what French malpractice lawyers make?

"America sucks, every way, every day" –– Obama and his media

What happened to the 'best in the world' system in Cuba?

Sigh! How soon they forget...

What happened to the 'best in the world' system in Cuba?

Sigh! How soon they forget...

Does anyone want to be treated by a doc who spent...

...God only knows how many years going to school, just so they can become a government employee and make a paltry 50K/yr?

Not me.

-Dave


I thought it wasn't about

I thought it wasn't about the money.

~There is a reason

That demanding jobs requiring a high level of knowledge and skill pay relatively more. Would you undergo massive debt and the better part of a decade of medical shool to make the same amount of money as, say, a book editor?

 

 

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

That's funny,

I thought the whole debate was about "the money."

 

"Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 1

Such is life, balboa

Sorry, bal.

We need to eat.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Does anyone want to be

Does anyone want to be treated by a doc who spent God only knows how many years going to school, just so they can become a government employee and make a paltry 50K/yr?

OK, but people were mad because they said Obama implied that doctors were doing procedures simply for money. The above seems to indicate -- and I could be wrong -- that a doctor making a "paltry 50K/yr" couldn't be bothered to do a good job.

Good evening Bal

Your Honey-Bun said that doctors were doing UNECESSARY procedures and operations to scam money.

You must be in love to defend such lies with deceptive comments. Love is blind you know.

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

Same point stands.

Same point stands.

Bal

You have no point except your head.

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

You really shouldn't

You really shouldn't plagiarize Robert Frost like that.

I thought Balzac said

I thought Balzac said that?  Or was it Kafka?  ;-)

No, remember? Frost

No, remember? Frost wrote, 

Two roads diverged in a wood
And I took the one less traveled by

And that has made all the difference

You have no point except your head

 

Frost - The Lost "Verse"

Frost - The Lost "Verse"

~NO, bal

The POINT is that the kind of "talent" that $50,000 a year is going to attract ISN'T the "talent" you want your life riding on.

 

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

Which is it, bal?

balboa, I cannot believe I need to ask these questions of an adult, but here goes:

1) Do you work in the expectation of some form of compensation, or out of the kindness of your heart?

2) When you get an increased portion of said compensation, do you refuse it, again motivated by the kindness of your heart - or do you accept it? 

It is extremely simple.

You should also note that in order for doctors to become doctors, it takes a great investment of money, something which the paltry salaries offered to French doctors would not begin to cover in this country.  Sure, a neurosurgeon or a cardiologist might expect to pull, oh I don't know, $120,000 -150,000 a year if they are good at what they do, but how much of that is going to pay off their school expenses, I wonder?  Medical school takes a hell of a long time, and it isn't cheap.  It can't just be paid for by waiting tables. 

While Leftists explode in absolute, indignant, total rage that people would DARE want and expect compensation commensurate with their skill set and their unique abilities, whether hitting a home run or doing unbelievably complex brain surgery, I just say res quantum valorum tantum vendi potest.  There IS a reason janitors get paid what they get paid and why brain surgeons get paid what they get paid.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Dave, As far as I know,

Dave,

As far as I know, not many people go shopping for the cheapest neuro surgeon. :)

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Lies and damned lies

Neas: "One half of all the foreclosures, one half of all the bankruptcies, are because people can’t pay their medical bills..." Prove it, Chuckles. Six months ago, the foreclosures and bankruptcies were the fault of "predatory lenders."

So, as pointed out by another poster, now it's FRANCE that has "the best health-care system in the world?" Who was it before? Switzerland? Sweden? Of course, this is according to an EIGHT YEAR-OLD report!

And I don't NEED to know what's in the bill. How about CONGRESS knowing that? Or the PRESIDENT who's pushing it? Let THEM finally read the friggin' thing! All I need to know is that I'm happy with my health-care, I don't want ANY changes, no one in this country (legally or ILLEGALLY) is being refused care and left to die, and ANY "government control" of health-care is, by definition, "socialized medicine."

Besides, as also pointed out above, who pays attention to CBS News anymore? Their "reports" are always just big, televised, circular back-patting sessions anyway. These folks know the health-care debacle is about to sink Obama, just like it sank Clinton, and they are running SCARED.

Looking forward to some "balance" being re-established in 2010.

 

"Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 1

LOl IJ... ...and to

LOl IJ...

...and to think...the Shrillster modeled so much of her govt. programs after the ones in play in France...from years back now....

Never ending circle with these jerks....they don't know when to quit running in the same circles either...it would be amusing if it weren't so serious to the rest of us out here in the real world.

That Circle Will be Broken.

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Howdy, BT,

Yeah, everything old is new again, right? I tell people, if you want to see what gov't run health-care is like, take a look at Medicare and Medicaid.

There's a high recommendation!  ;^)

Be well.

 

"Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 1

In France, a highly trained

In France, a highly trained government official tells your doctor which course of treatment you may have.

Problem is, he's highly trained in wine tasting, not medicine.  Poor you. 

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

I thought Justice was blind- apparently its journalism...

They're running out of examples. First, the media ginned up the Canadian system, then they piled on the Brits- thinking this would sway everyone to their side of the argument. The problem, one that the media continues to deny as legitimate, is that there are so many more sources for news, and in many cases, that news is more accurate. What these sources accurately reported was that, in fact, the Canadian and British systems are severely lacking in both funding and (logically) services compared to the US system.

So, since their argument has proven false, they've simply jumped on another socialized health system to tout- all the while forgetting that likely in less than a week, this example will also be debunked. Expect the Swedish system to follow...

"Expect the Swedish system to follow..."

What about the Hawaiian model? Seems I heard Hawaii tried state-run health care and had to abandon it about 7 months in? Something about not being able to pay for it?

Although I could be mistaken.... 

 

"Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 1

Indiana Joe~

Yeah, I seem to remember something about that too, Joe. I thinks that's why the media is not trumping it, or the Massachusetts system; they can't spin them into success stories.

BK... I caught

BK...

I caught congress-critter Marsha Blackburn (one of my fav's) from Tennessee on today talking about 10 Care or TennCare, not sure how it is supposed to be worded, nevertheless, she was talking about what a huge deficit it was in on a Fox show somewhere...these are not working out so well.

Media/leftist of all venues remain mum.

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Yeah BT~

That's the problem- there is no successful socialized health care system on the planet; at least not more successful than our current system en masse.

Oh- and remember our comments last night about Gibbs? Yep, he walked it back some more, from what I hear.

You get a look at my Flip-Flop photoshop yet?

The French health care

The French health care system has about a $13-$15 billion dollar deficit this year in health care spending, with no relief in site. If that were the US, it would be about $70 billion, and climbing.

 "Well, eight years ago, the World Health Organization released a study ranking France as having the best health care system in the world."

And Italy was ranked number 2. Guess where the Italian PM went for life saving treatment? Hint: It wasn't France, or Italy.

secret medicine

The most highly weighted variable in the "best healthcare in the world" is spending as a percentage of GDP

 

So if we spent the same as we do now and lowered our GDP by another 10% our ranking would go up.

Those Looney Liberals

First, Cuba had the best health care.

Then, Canada.

Then, Great Britain.

Now, France?

When this new example is soundly proven to be yet another liberal fantasy, will they choose Haiti as the next example?

The French Model

Back when the liberals' favorite diva Princess Diana died in a car accident, there was a great deal of criticism of the French model which was focused on on-site first aid and stabilization, rather than getting the patient to a competent trauma center as soon as possible. Some hypothesized that in the American system she might have survived. Has all that been forgotten?

"Neas: "One half of all the

"Neas: "One half of all the foreclosures, one half of all the bankruptcies, are because people can’t pay their medical bills..."

Lie.

Just wondering though, anyone know what percentage of bankruptcies are because people can't pay their tax bill?

The French System

We are not being told the truth about the French system. It appears that conservatives have successfully beat down the left's suggestion that the UK or Canadian systems are superior by using real-life examples of how they have failed. In response the liberals have now switched over to selling us on the French system. The French system is not Obamacare though, it's a mix of private insurance and a public fallback system of insurance like Medicaid/Medicare. The fallback system is funded by very high payroll taxes.

Most employees in France get private health insurance through their employers just as we do. That private insurance pays or covers what the government's fallback system does not pay. In France all doctors and hospitals are private, they have not been socialized like much of the UK. The French in fact ridicule the UK system as 'socialized medicine'.

Our media needs to report on the French system and tell the truth about it. It is far from ideal, and by the way seriously over-budget.

French docs

The French health care system is GREAT - unless you are a doctor, who makes 1/3 on average what American doctors make. 

Oh, and then those docs have to fork over 60% or so of their income in taxes to baby other people and to be babied themselves. 

As nothing enrages His Majesty The Shahinshah and other Leftists than the notion that some people are successful and can make a great deal of money simply by mastering a difficult skill and thus being rewarded in turn by a market which badly needs their services, the French system I am sure has a great deal of appeal to Him and other Leftists. 

Oh - and no French doc has won a Nobel Prize in medicine since 1980 (IIRC).  I wonder why?   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

The CATO Institute

takes apart the World Health Org's methodology in this article.  

Bottom line is though that here we are - saddled with two horribly broken (and BROKE!) government healthcare options already.  Why on the green earth would we want to add a third. 

___________________________________________ 
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax"  - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15

Cato also has a great

Cato also has a great publication called 'The Grass Is Not Always Greener' which explains the downfalls of health care systems from other countries around the world.