At the top of Thursday’s CBS Early Show, co-host Harry Smith teased an upcoming segment on dispelling myths about health care reform: "There’s so much anger, this vitriol that we see day after day in these town meetings across the country....We’re going to try and determine this morning whether or not some of these bold statements are, in fact, true or not."
Smith turned to Jonathan Cohn, senior editor of the left-wing magazine, The New Republic, to find the "truth" about the President’s health care plan. Smith made no mention of Cohn’s political affiliation or the magazine’s liberal leanings but did find time to promote his guest’s latest book: "Jonathan Cohn is senior editor of The New Republic and author ‘Sick: The Untold Story of America’s Health Care Crisis And The People Who Pay The Price.’"
On Wednesday, Cohn wrote an article for The New Republic entitled: "The Swiftboating of Health Reform," in which he attacked conservative critics of the health care plan: "It’d be one thing if the lunatics on the right had a coherent argument for why these initiatives might be ineffective or counterproductive. But they don’t even bother to acknowledge them, preferring instead to throw out scare quotes like this one from [Sarah] Palin: ‘Who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course.’"
Cohn worked to promote White House talking points while supposedly "separating fact from fiction." When Smith asked about Obama’s claim that people will be able to maintain their current health insurance, Cohn replied: "True. The administration’s plan basically says – the whole point of this insurance plan is to tell people who have insurance ‘you get to keep it. We’re going to try and get insurance for everybody else.’" At the same, Cohn admitted: "Now, the one catch to this is it may be if you have insurance from your employer, next year your employer might decide to drop it. No one can stop that."
Despite Cohn’s assertions that glossed over the concern, a study by The Lewin Group found that the health care plan: "If fully implemented in 2011, we estimate that about 103.9 million people would become covered under the newly established public plan. Coverage under private insurance would decline by 83.4 million people. This is a 48.4 percent reduction in the number of people with private insurance (currently 172.5 million people)."
Smith later asked: "You see signs in the protest line calling this reform plan socialism because it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Is it true that everyone will be required to get health insurance?" Cohn responded: "It is true. Everyone will be required to get health insurance. Now, I don’t know if you would call that socialism."
In his final question to Cohn, Smith wondered: "Will health insurance companies be able to still deny you insurance?" Cohn explained: "They will not be able to deny you insurance. In fact, that’s the flip side of the deal of requiring you to get insurance. If we’re going to require you to get insurance, we want to make sure insurers give you the insurance." Government manipulation of private industry sure sounds like socialism.
Here is a full transcript of the segment:
7:01AM TEASE:
HARRY SMITH: There’s so much anger, this vitriol that we see day after day in these town meetings across the country. Some of what is being said is very interesting and very provocative. We’re going to try and determine this morning whether or not some of these bold statements are, in fact, true or not. We’ll do that in just-
DAVE PRICE: Not everyone knows exactly if everything they’re arguing for is fact.
SMITH: There you go.
PRICE: So, we’ll sift through that.
7:12AM TEASE:
SMITH: Still to come, what does the Obama health care plan really mean for you and your family? We’ll break it down and separate fact from fiction.
7:16AM SEGMENT:
HARRY SMITH: Those loud and angry health care town hall meetings continue to rage across the country, and it looks like things won’t quiet down anytime soon. CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante has the latest. Good morning, Bill.
BILL PLANTE: Good morning to you, Harry. Those confrontations are the reason, one of the reasons, that the President pushed Congress to pass health care before the members went home for a month. Now the opposition, organized or not, has a lot of questions and fears.
[VIDEO MONTAGE OF CROWDS AT TOWN HALL MEETINGS]
PLANTE: Opposition has grown beyond all expectations.
ARLEN SPECTER: We are not moving to socialism.
PLANTE: Many Americans are angry or afraid that government action will lessen the quality of care and raise prices. The President has answered the charges, but the latest USA Today/Gallup poll shows 34% of Americans say the demonstrations have made them more sympathetic to the protesters’ view. The White House says the town hall forum is still effective.
ROBERT GIBBS: The President believes that the town hall meeting is a structure where people can discuss those issues in a way that they think – the way that he believes engenders a positive discussion.
PLANTE: The President will take on his critics directly again, stepping right into it at town hall meetings in conservative parts of Montana and Colorado tomorrow and Saturday. Harry.
SMITH: Bill Plante at the White House. Thanks. So, what is fact, what is fiction, when it comes to health care reform? Jonathan Cohn is senior editor of The New Republic and author ‘Sick: The Untold Story of America’s Health Care Crisis And The People Who Pay The Price.’ Jonathan, good morning.
JONATHAN COHN: Good morning.
SMITH: I’m going to get right to some of these questions, some of these hot-button issues that get repeated and repeated and repeated, day after day, especially in these meetings. We just heard the man say ‘we don’t need Obama and his crew to tell us how to die.’ Is the health care reform plan going to create death panels telling people how to die, true or false?
COHN: Absolutely false. I think this is probably the most outrageous claim we’ve heard. There is a provision in the bills that are moving through that says if you want to write a living will, you want to talk to your doctor about it, you want to do it the right way, make sure you’re asking for what you want, then medicare will actually pay your doctor to sit down with you and do it, so that you can have the time and the conversation. That’s all. Voluntary conversation about living will. That’s it. No death panels, no euthanasia, nothing like that.
SMITH: Alright. The administration says if you like your current insurance plan, you get to keep it. True or false?
COHN: True. The administration’s plan basically says – the whole point of this insurance plan is to tell people who have insurance ‘you get to keep it. We’re going to try and get insurance for everybody else.’ Now, the one catch to this is it may be if you have insurance from your employer, next year your employer might decide to drop it. No one can stop that.
SMITH: Especially if there’s a public plan to help replace it.
COHN: Well, you know, that depends on how they design the rules, but it is possible.
SMITH: Sure.
COHN: And there are some people who say if they design the plan certain ways, more people will end up with it. So that’s where you get into the argument.
SMITH: Right.
COHN: But basically people get to keep their coverage.
SMITH: Alright. Recently, a senator was confronted bay man to told him, ‘keep your government hands off my Medicare.’ Is the health care reform plan going to slash Medicare benefits, true or false?
COHN: False. Of course government runs Medicare. People sometimes forget that. Something else people don’t know is that one of the things the reform plans will do is actually add a major Medicare service, which is their going to fill in that doughnut hole, you know, that gap in Medicare prescription drug coverage. Now Medicare, like all insurance plans, chooses what to cover, what not to, and since it is getting to be a very expensive program, the idea is to give it more tools to make better decisions. Will that down the road lead to less services? Well, hopefully it’ll mean – lead to less expensive services. That’s where the argument is. But there’s no plans to slash benefits.
SMITH: And oh by the way, Medicare could go broke within the next decade if something doesn’t change.
COHN: Well, that’s why they want to try to do this.
SMITH: Exactly right. You see signs in the protest line calling this reform plan socialism because it requires everyone to buy health insurance. Is it true that everyone will be required to get health insurance?
COHN: It is true. Everyone will be required to get health insurance. Now, I don’t know if you would call that socialism. The idea here is simple, we – you know, reformers want everybody to be part of the system. But, you know, this isn’t free, it’s not a giveaway. The idea is that people should have to pay what they can, so you ask everybody to go and get insurance, be part of the system, take responsibility, and pay at least what they’re able to pay.
SMITH: Alright. And last but not least, the woman who introduced the President was denied health coverage because of a pre-existing condition, will this no longer be the law or not the law? Will health insurance companies be able to still deny you insurance?
COHN: They will not be able to deny you insurance. In fact, that’s the flip side of the deal of requiring you to get insurance. If we’re going to require you to get insurance, we want to make sure insurers give you the insurance.
SMITH: Jonathan Cohn, thanks so much.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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ObamaCare critics can actually cite passages in the bills
August 13, 2009 - 15:58 ET by lsudolemiteto support their arguments and concerns. Which is far more than Obama had to offer in his totally non-staged town hall meeting. These people can't even give concrete reasoning based on the bill language as to why the "mobsters" are wrong.
(Columbo impression) Oh, and one more thing:
COHN: False. Of course government runs Medicare. People sometimes forget that.
SMITH: And oh by the way, Medicare could go broke within the next decade if something doesn’t change.
COHN: Well, that’s why they want to try to do this.
QED.
Almost Comical
August 13, 2009 - 21:14 ET by allanfBut not as funny as the ratings of the CBS morning show. Smith may be the most biased entertainer on a morning show.
"It’d be one thing if the
August 13, 2009 - 16:05 ET by motherbelt"It’d be one thing if the lunatics on the right had a coherent argument for why these initiatives might be ineffective or counterproductive.
That's only because you have labelled any and every argument that they've put forth as incoherent.
When you start out with the premise that those who disagree with you are "lunatics," of course your are going to find all their arguments incoherent or ridiculous.
Now Medicare, like all insurance plans, chooses what to cover, what not
to, and since it is getting to be a very expensive program, the idea is
to give it more tools to make better decisions. Will that down the road
lead to less services? Well, hopefully it’ll mean – lead to less
expensive services.
How's that for a two-step! Any ideas as to what "tools" will be used to make "better" decisions? and "better" by whose standard?
Lastly, Mr. Cohn, "Hopefully" is not a valid argument. It's a wish; nothing more.
In other words.
August 13, 2009 - 16:02 ET by szampNo. No. They are wrong. It's not crap. It is feces.
Look, this is easily done.
August 13, 2009 - 16:08 ET by BKeyserLook, this is easily done. You can "fact check" anything; the key is- you need to be accurate on what your "fact checking." Politifact.com (run buy the ultra-conservative St. Petersburg Times in Florida /s) has what they call a "truth-o-meter." Here's an example of their spin:
So, change the statement to read or say something close (but obviously false) to the original intent and "fact check" that.
This is what passes as in depth reporting?
August 13, 2009 - 16:13 ET by JTPThe budget must be getting pretty tight at CBS.
"Live for yourself...there's no one else more worth living for.
Begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more"- Rush--Anthem
it doesn't matter how they spin it...........
August 13, 2009 - 16:19 ET by armedcitizenIt sounds even WORSE......
Do we get to keep our insurance?: yes, absolutely..., well, no, maybe not, not really, nobody can control that... (I'd call that a NO)
Death panel? : no way, well........., maybe just a group of politicians deciding what care you may get if any...... (I'd call that a death panel)
Slash medicare?: no way, well......actually maybe shift and opt for cheaper service or not provide expensive services (I call that slashing)
Socialist?: heck no.....well, maybe a little, depending on what your meaning of is is! (mandate for everyone to be included, losing freedom of choice, I'd call that a little socialist)
Different names for exactly the same thing, depending on how they try to spin it. Opponents don't have it wrong from where I'm standing.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
armedcitizen - you have it exactly right.
August 13, 2009 - 16:33 ET by acaiguanaWhat are the details? Obama doesn't care. He's just for intense government intervention in our lives.
I remember when the Feds mandated seat belts. Now don't get me wrong, I think seat belts save lives. I'm against how they did it.
In order to get a seat belt law passed in New Mexico, the professional politicians claimed they would never stop anyone for specifically a seat belt violation nor would they fine anyone at any great rate for violation.
The people of New Mexico bought it. I mean it is a Democratic State, I know, but within 5 years, the state was holding 'roadblocks' to specifically check on seat belt usage. Of course, the safety and DUI check included wasn't the actual reason for the stop. And everyone had to stop.
Now, tell me you can trust the idiots.
This is an example of how the government swindles the voters.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
Ditto
August 14, 2009 - 13:36 ET by pbanks7Michigan did the same with seat belts. Just like the gummint did with the smokers. They never quit.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe, then confirming it with a poll.
So, Cohn... How are your going to save money on healthy people?
August 13, 2009 - 16:23 ET by acaiguanaThe fundamental flaw in all this diatribe against the people against is that healthy people don't cost the Health Care System a dime.
Not one dime.
So, how are we going to save all this money?
People only use health care when they are sick. What an idea? Sick, cost money...
So, Cohn, what the hell are you talking about?
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
Re healthy people
August 13, 2009 - 18:45 ET by slickwillie2001We won't save money. To some extent, the Obamacare architects see young people that don't think they need insurance at their age, and maybe they don't, –as a source of revenue. By forcing them into insurance you get the income from their premiums with little actual cost of services provided. They will be subsidizing the illegal aliens to a great extent.
The liberals also desire to flatten the premiums so all pay the same, or the factor between the highest and lowest premium is 2.0-3.0. This also works against the young and healthy. Making money on an insurance 'business' whether private or government is considerably easier if you force low-risk customers to buy.
The biggest lie of Obamacare is that it will save money.
At Last
August 13, 2009 - 16:42 ET by Harry 3 LimeCohn, customarily a house hack, finally said something worthwhile.
Obviously
August 13, 2009 - 16:42 ET by StarAZObviously, they can't get the president to explain--he can't. How about that White House website--reality something or other dot gov. I went there (and now will be cookie-d and tracked) and it says everything we have been hearing is just wrong, darn it.
Interpretations welcome---
August 13, 2009 - 18:51 ET by misterbillThis from the healthcare bill:
"SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance
coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1."
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My grandson was accepted into a union training program--he will become eligible for the health plan in February 2010. What does this mean if the bill went into effect on 1/1/2010?????
It's no wonder they're after Glenn Beck
August 13, 2009 - 21:36 ET by pbthinkerThe MSM is so desperate to help Obama get this thing passed they'll do anything. I would defy CBS to do what Hannity did tonight by having a panel on with more than half of them Obama voters. No wonder people are flocking to Fox News, it's the only place to get some facts.
How can organizations, with a credibility rating of close to zero, not try to give people the information they need to make a decision on such an important issue.
The press needs to change their tune.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
→ Agreed, pbthinker
August 13, 2009 - 21:47 ET by Cool ArrowThat group he did with Luntz was great.
I enjoyed listening to all the comments, from both sides.
Most of them were able to make their points.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
pb... Hey, I only got to
August 13, 2009 - 21:49 ET by bigtimerpb...
Hey, I only got to catch half of that panel/audience with Luntz/Hannity (thunderstorms/satellite)....you are exactly right...problem is the other networks seem not to care, their hate-filled agenda won't let them.
Love your tag-line.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
I must admit, CBS has some
August 13, 2009 - 21:41 ET by Free StinkerI must admit, CBS has some of the best Stenographers on their soi disant News programs.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
→ soi disant?
August 13, 2009 - 21:45 ET by Cool ArrowIs that, like, TOFU?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
soi disant
August 13, 2009 - 21:46 ET by Free Stinker"so called"
Next I'll put News in quotes.
→ Thanks, Free
August 13, 2009 - 21:49 ET by Cool ArrowI never took French.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
"won't have to
August 13, 2009 - 23:40 ET by RR GOP"won't have to change".
Is that different from "won't need to change"? Like, if the Communal Soviet Health Care Plan is cheaper, I won't have to change it, but because of hyperinflation and having less money because of taxes I may need to change my health care?
Or is this like defining what "is" means...Libtard double speak in other words?
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.