CBS’s Rodriguez: Catholic Church Too ‘Stringent,’ Should Be ‘More Progressive’

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Maggie Rodriguez and Father Thomas Williams, CBS While reporting on disgraced priest Alberto Cutie leaving the Catholic Church in the wake of a sex scandal, on Friday’s CBS Early Show, co-host Maggie Rodriguez asked CBS News analyst Father Thomas Williams about the Church’s celibacy rule: "It seems to me that the Catholic Church, at least in south Florida, is not necessarily being introspective and considering whether Father Cutie and others have left the Catholic Church, and others are failing to join, because of its stringent rules. Would you like to see your church be more introspective, more progressive?"

When the story about Father Cutie first broke in early May, Rodriguez then asked Father Williams if it was time for the Catholic Church to overturn the "outdated" and "rigid" vow of celibacy that it requires of its priests. She went on to describe the vow as a "nearly impossible standard." On May 11, Rodriguez interviewed Cutie, and asked: "You don't believe that the celibacy promise should be lifted?...If they don't change this policy, do you think that they will continue to lose people, or fail to recruit people who feel the Church is too rigid?"

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On Friday, Rodriguez also spoke with Episcopal Bishop Leo Frade, who officiated Father Cutie’s conversion, and briefly acknowledged that Cutie actually did something wrong: "He broke an oath and he lived a lie for two years. Are you concerned at all about the message that you're sending your parishioners by inviting someone like that into your church?" Frade argued: "Father Cutie is a single person, loving another single person, and when you have to obey your heart, indeed, what – the teaching that he could tell our people is that love is able to conquer everything."

Rodriguez turned that argument to Father Williams: "Do you agree that you have to obey your heart no matter what oath or promise you made?" Williams pointed out: "Well, I think that that is sometimes true, but sometimes not, in the sense that we all make commitments that we have to be true to. And that sometimes means going against natural tendencies or inclinations. I mean that happens with married people also, where all of a sudden they feel like they've fallen in love with someone else but they have to be true to the person that they promised to."

Here is the full transcript of the Friday segment:

7:00AM TEASE:

HARRY SMITH: A controversial priest packs up his robes, and leaves the Catholic Church.

ALBERTO CUTIE: I have searched my soul and sought after God's guidance for a long time.

SMITH: The story behind the conversion of Father Cutie.

7:19AM TEASE:

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Coming up next here on the Early Show, the Catholic priest caught on a Miami beach with a woman has a fiancee and a new church. We'll bring you the latest on Father Cutie.

7:30AM SEGMENT:

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: But first this morning, Florida's most famous Catholic priest has just become its newest Episcopalian. This after that sex scandal that rocked the Church and shocked its – his followers. CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella reports.

KELLY COBIELLA: With reporters in front of him and his new fiancee behind him, Father Alberto Cutie announced he's trading his Catholic collar for an Episcopalian one.

ALBERTO CUTIE: I have searched my soul and sought after God's guidance for a long time. I have also spoken to friends in and outside the Episcopal Church about their service to God. I have seen the ways that many of my brothers serve God as married men.

COBIELLA: The TV priest fans call ‘Father Oprah’ fell from grace in the eyes of the Catholic Church two weeks ago. This is why, Cutie was caught on camera kissing the woman he now plans to marry. The Catholic Church removed him from his post. On the Early Show, Cutie confessed.

CUTIE: This is the only person that I've had sexual contact with.

RODRIGUEZ: And it's because you fell in love with her?

CUTIE: I believe I've fallen love.

COBIELLA: But he showed no interest in taking on the Catholic Church's 900-year-old celibacy rule.

CUTIE: I don't want to be the anti-celibacy priest. I think that's unfortunate. I think it’s a debate that’s going on in our society and now I’ve become kind of a poster boy for it. But I don't want to be that.

COBIELLA: Thursday, the Archbishop of Miami accused Cutie of abandoning his church and flock.

JOHN FAVALORA: Father Cutie’s actions have caused grave scandal within Catholic Church and led to division with the ecumenical community, and the community at large. Today's announcement only deepens that wound.

CUTIE: Those who know me understand that I would never want to hurt anyone deliberately, especially my family, my friends, and the church community. I will always love and hold dear the Roman Catholic Church.

COBIELLA: So instead of fighting it, he's leaving it. Kelly Cobiella, CBS News, Miami.

RODRIGUEZ: Joining us now from Miami is Bishop Leo Frade, head of the Episcopal diocese in southeast Florida, who officiated the service in which Father Cutie and his fiancee converted. And from Rome this morning, we have with us CBS News analyst, Catholic priest, Father Thomas Williams. Good morning to you both, gentlemen.

LEO FRADE: Good morning.

RODRIGUEZ: Let me begin with you, Bishop Frade, why did you welcome Father Cutie into your church?

FRADE: Well, Father Cutie is a member of our community, and he -- we have been talking to him as friends. We know each other from the year 2000. We're both Cubans, and dealing in ecumenical and also trying to bring a peaceful change in Cuba. And he became more and more interested in our church, and showed that interest, and with time, about two years, it has been a long search for him, because he did not want to leave the Catholic faith. Actually, he traded his collar, his Roman Catholic collar for another different of Catholic collar, which is the Anglican, the Episcopal collar.

RODRIGUEZ: Bishop Frade, I know that Father Cutie believes, because he said it on this program, that what he did was wrong. He broke an oath and he lived a lie for two years. Are you concerned at all about the message that you're sending your parishioners by inviting someone like that into your church?

FRADE: Well, for a single person kissing and loving another single woman, I think that a scandal would have been if he would have been -- if she would have been a married woman or something like that. But Father Cutie is a single person, loving another single person, and when you have to obey your heart, indeed, what – the teaching that he could tell our people is that love is able to conquer everything.

RODRIGUEZ: Father Williams, let me bring you in. Do you agree that you have to obey your heart no matter what oath or promise you made?

THOMAS WILLIAMS: Well, I think that that is sometimes true, but sometimes not, in the sense that we all make commitments that we have to be true to. And that sometimes means going against natural tendencies or inclinations. I mean that happens with married people also, where all of a sudden they feel like they've fallen in love with someone else but they have to be true to the person that they promised to. So I think that it's both things are true. But you do have to be true to your commitments and your vows.

RODRIGUEZ: Father Williams, we heard the Archbishop down there in south Florida say that Father Cutie harmed and divided the church. It seems to me that the Catholic Church, at least in south Florida, is not necessarily being introspective and considering whether Father Cutie and others have left the Catholic Church, and others are failing to join, because of its stringent rules. Would you like to see your church be more introspective, more progressive?

WILLIAMS: Well, I definitely think we have to be introspective all the time. The first person that we need to examine, whose conscience we need to examine, is always our own before we start pointing fingers elsewhere. I agree with that 100%. On the other hand, I'm really hopeful that Father Cutie has made this decision to become Episcopalian because he really believes it's a true church and not because of some other motive. That's my one hope. And the fact that he's been speaking with Bishop Frade for years actually gives me hope that that might be the case. That he really believes that what he's doing is the right thing.

RODRIGUEZ: Father Thomas Williams, Bishop Frade, thank you both for taking the time this morning.

FRADE: Pleasure, thank you.

RODRIGUEZ: You’re welcome

WILLIAMS: Pleasure.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Ignorance on Display

A quintessential display of  liberal ignorance.. Religion is about faith and princple. It is not open to negotiation.

Once again we see an example

Once again we see an example of MSM projection- "since we can't remain celibate, no one else can, either."  It never occurs to these people that there are more important things in life than rutting.  Single-hearted service to God, for one.

Next we will be hearing

Next we will be hearing about how marriage is too stringent, and being monogamous is unrealistic.

I believe

we've been hearing that particular chorus for about 25 yrs now. 

___________________________________________ 
Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past - George Orwell - 1984

depends who you're asking what monogamous means

To the "gay-cruiser community", monogamy means taking that stud muffin home from the bar and NOT going back for more at 4 am.

I know!

Right after that business about "...and forsaking all others..."

Just add in: "Except for 1 dalliance, 2 trysts, 3 one-nighters and a reasonable number of "flings" per year.."

Problem solved!

/sarc

X

After having OHbama speak at a catholic school perhaps the Catholic church should disband instead...

Eloquently stated, Fr. Williams!

"Do you agree that you have to obey your heart no matter what oath or
promise you made?" Williams pointed out: "Well, I think that that is
sometimes true, but sometimes not, in the sense that we all make
commitments that we have to be true to. And that sometimes means going
against natural tendencies or inclinations. I mean that happens with
married people also, where all of a sudden they feel like they've
fallen in love with someone else but they have to be true to the person
that they promised to."

Eloquently stated, Fr. Williams!

If the standard is only to "follow your heart"no matter what, then what is the point of taking vows?

There's no mayor honor in staying with one's spouse for better, for richer, in health.

That's why the VOW says I will also stay for worse, for poorer, and in sickness!  

No one needs to take a vow to do what is easy.  Vowing to do what is hard is what is worthwhile.

 

 

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

Have you noticed...

that it is always the response from the left that people of faith relax their morals to appease them, and become more 'mainstream', yet the left is never challenged to become more respectful of morals and beliefs.  

 

President Obama is nothing more than a lying empty suit; a Hollywood style special effects smoke and mirrors show that has shown itself to be a total fraud.  

WAKE UP AMERICA! SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION! 

she couldn't imagine the holy standards coming our way soon

i got news for this lady - when God comes back - and he's gonna be pissed baby - she's going to find that God even considers the most devout and stringent fundies here are already way off the charts permissive and morally lax - by God's standards anyway - let alone the "moderate" fundies like me...

the end times...won't that be a fun! 

Palin/Prejean 2012

No.

And hardline Atheists are too open. They should be more moderate.

The United Church of Maggie R.

its not enough there are literally dozen, if not hundred of religious (and spiritual) choices in the world - including the choice not to choose at all.  They have to change one to suit their own needs?

This will never ever make sense to me.

___________________________________________ 
Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past - George Orwell - 1984

She should start her own church.

Include gays, pedophiles and a longer list of tolerances.

 

 

Gird your loins

That's an open invitation for a synchronized troll assault!

;-)

Just join

Just join the United Church of Christ. They have an LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, Transgender) task force.

Hispanics are Catholic, the

Hispanics are Catholic, the democrats are trying to create a permament hispanic democrat voting block. The one thing in their way? The conservatism of the Catholic church.

Can't someone just shanghai

Can't someone just shanghai this haughty little b*tch and drop her off in Swat so she can learn the definition of "stringent?"

These self-important libtards actually think they're so important that they're going to bring about changes in basic doctrine - she can devote the next 20 years of the Early Show solely to bashing the Church, but IT AIN'T GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING!

It's just funny that her longtime pal Fr. Cutie is the real-life counterpart of Fr. Ralph de Bricassart of 'The Thorn Birds'.

Ethnicity != religion

While many hispanics are Roman Catholic, many are not. Most of the unarmed invaders of this country of hispanic derivation are not faithful Roman Catholics, for instance. Mexico is an officially atheist nation, and once persecuted priests and nuns quite harshly.

 The Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church, and -only- that rite, has the discipline of priestly non-marriage. This was unknown in the first thousand years of the Church, and is unknown in the other 20+ Roman Catholic Churches, and the other churches founded by the apostles. It is a demonic doctrine - 1 Timothy 4:1-5, and as a discipline, it could be revoked at any time, should Rome reform in this matter. In so doing, Rome would be changing no more than it has in allowing eating corned beef and cabbage if St. Patrick's Day falls on a Friday in Lent.  As a Bible-believing Evangelical Catholic, in agreement with all but that one of the churches founded by the apostles, and thus with the Vincentian Canon of 'what has been always, everywhere taught' I encourage Rome to revoke this diabolical discipline in obedience to Christ, repentance is a good thing.

 

It's eyeroll time again...

Because, of course, Christ was married.

Oh, he wasn't? Then what is demonic about a man who is supposed to be living and acting in persona Christi following his Lord's example? You libertines act as if the Church is hunting men down and sawing off their pee-pees. Not so. These men volunteer to live this life. No one forces them to do anything. If they cannot live celibate--if they are unwilling to make that sacrifice--then they do not belong in the priesthood in the first place. You might as well bitch and moan that priests are required to respect the seal of confession, whereas many people find it hard to keep their big mouths shut. How fair is that to those men, with the big, bad Church forcing them to deny their natural urges like that?

Shove off. Ditch your modernist, unbelieving, Novus Ordo imposture of a faith and take up the true one.

>>>and thus with the

>>>and thus with the Vincentian Canon of 'what has been always, everywhere
taught' I encourage Rome to revoke this diabolical discipline in
obedience to Christ, repentance is a good thing.

 Oh, goody for you, mi amigo.

So, just be a member of all those other "Catholic Churches" that you approve of, and stay out of the Roman Catholic church.  I know it'll be a personal blow to the Pope, but I think that he might just get over it.

sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com

John 6:64-68

"But there are some of you that do not believe." For Jesus
knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was
that would betray him. And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."
After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also wish to go away?"  Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."

Those who are leaving the Church because of its so-called stringency, so be it. They're making their choice.

Seems Fr. Cutie made his choice.  He picked his illegitimate sex life
(as they're both unmarried and he already made and now broke a promise to God,
which is what the priesthood and celibacy are) and chose his lust.  Satan is
laughing from the pit of hell as he clutched himself another one.

 

"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything."
  --  GK Chesterton

Christianity.........

Christianity should consider becoming more Islamic. 

"I've sentenced boys younger then you to the gas chamber.  Didn't want to do it, but I felt I owed it to them."  Judge Smails 

Maggie

What don't you understand about the Catholic Church as a Conservative Religious entity?

Everything is based on 2000+ years of tradition, not on how a Priest feels today!

I can see it now, "Priest Decides to Forgoe Celibacy", oh I forgot, that's a current headline abouit Fr. Cutie!

Normal liberal prattle

But I wanna, I wanna.  How dare someone be expected to follow rules they don't like?  For a liberals it is all about how they feel and apparently breaking his vows made the the priest feel good.

"Progressive"

The Libs' overuse of that word makes me want to puke! What they consider to be "progressive" is doing whatever makes them feel good.  That's being self-centered, not God-centered.

>>>So instead of fighting

>>>So instead of fighting it, he's leaving it. Kelly Cobiella, CBS News, Miami.

Good.  He should leave instead of fight.  It is obvious this fool should not stay.  If he does not understand that the Catholic Church is not a democracy, then he is too stupid to be a priest.

 Why is the world would anyone want to be a member of a church, any chuch, whose values and principles and precepts are constantly evolving, and changing, and up for grabs upon a moment's popular whim?

What a baffoon.

sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com

In a time of radical

In a time of radical evangelical Christians and uber liberal protestants like the Episcopalians, I enjoy being a Catholic. The Vatican is behaving with a lot of common sense these days: Science and Religion can work together, Pro-Life, and claiming that global warming is most likely BS are just a couple of "shocking" announcements and stances that Vatican has taken, and I appreciate it.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

She's just wrong in her approach

I've never really liked this woman for all the right reasons.

It seems her values and standards for evaluating have more to do with being anti-Roman Catholic then judging this subject within a moral basis to arrive at a conclusion.

But having said that...I don't think any man is above the actual life that Our Lord lived upon the earth and I would much like to see the Church return the standard it once had during the majority of it's existence when it's priests, bishops, cardinals and even the popes were actually married.

Of course, being married is a state of reality and it should be offered and allowed for only those men in a certain order who take that vow.  Choosing celibacy should be there too but should not be demanded unless that order too asks of this commitment.

Coming up after the break -

Coming up after the break - Why we believe Yeshiva University should become more progressive by offering pulled pork sandwiches in their cafeteria...

Tom

Leading into the story about the President discussing freedom of choice promoters finding common ground with the Catholic Church and Conservative protestants on abortion.