Immediately following a speech by former Vice President Dick Cheney on Thursday, MSNBC assembled its usual panel of left-wing pundits to tear him down, including political analyst Lawrence O’Donnell, who proclaimed: "Well, he came today to -- obviously to do nothing much other than defend torture, which he calls 'tough questioning.' This was as sleazy a presentation by a vice president as we've had since Spiro Agnew. This was an absolute abomination."
Chris Matthews anchored the coverage and had just asked O’Donnell: "Lawrence, can he get away with this? Giving a speech that's -- well, it was 16 pages long -- and never mention the main foreign policy initiative of the administration just passed, which is the war in Iraq." After O’Donnell denounced Cheney’s sleaziness, he went on this diatribe:
He [Cheney] cannot, ever, frame the other side's position honestly. What you saw with Obama earlier was Obama describes the other side's position fairly. He then goes on to advance his position. Cheney comes out and lies about the other side, it's the only way he can talk. He says that Obama will not use the word 'terrorist,' when Obama does indeed use that word. He pretends that all we did was tough questioning. He says that 9/11 -- he says that 9/11 made everyone take a second look at the threat. That is a lie. Dick Cheney and the President were in possession of memos that said this threat was present, this particular methodology was going to come, that they were going to use airliners. He and the President failed in their first nine months in office to pay any attention to the A.Q. Khan network, who he now wants to take credit for dismantling. What did Cheney do before 9/11? He denies, in this speech, that 9/11 changed him and then describes his very specific activities on 9/11, which were frightening for the Vice President. Then he goes on to say that he thinks about it every day. This guy just has to lie from beginning to end through his setup of his opposition's position in order to advance any of his ideas at all, none of which have any proof to them at all.
Matthews later turned to another hard left voice, former CIA agent Jack Rice, who attempted to match O’Donnell’s vitriol: "He [Cheney] beat the CIA like a pinata for year after year until all of a sudden he's going to be their champion. Look, this is a guy that I'm watching today who wraps himself in the flag with the Constitution in tatters at his feet...We look at where we're going and what it means, he apparently doesn't care as long as he looks good doing it."
Moments later, correspondent Andrea Mitchell chimed in, claiming that Cheney: "...sets up what I think is a false choice when he says that you can only draw two conclusions. That either the vigilance and the strategy that they employed worked because America was never attacked since 9/11, or that 9/11 was a one-time event and won't happen again and that you don't have to use those techniques. There is -- there are other choices...you don't have to use those techniques, the techniques of the Bush/Cheney administration, in order to keep America safe."
Matthews next referenced Cheney’s criticism of the closing of Guantanamo Bay and the possibility of American taxpayer dollars being used to support terrorists in American prisons. Pat Buchanan, the only voice from the right, argued: "They get lawyers paid -- yeah, if they're in the United States, they'll get lawyers paid for by the American people, they'll get various privilege in defenses and stuff like that paid for by the country." O’Donnell lashed out again: "Now Chris, you've pointed out another very clear Dick Cheney lie. It is just a lie. Who is paying for the daily existence of the terrorists in Gitmo now? Who is paying for that? The American taxpayer. This is the kind of sleazy arguing that this guy does in these speeches. It is just ridiculous. It is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who's listening to him."
Mitchell made one final point: "There was one clever thing, also, that he did do, was to challenge the President to declassify those memos, which he claims prove that he's correct, that the techniques worked and kept us safer." O’Donnell angrily ranted: "But after objecting to the release of top-secret information. The Vice President objects to the release of top-secret information. In the next sentence, he advocates it." Buchanan summed up the cause of O’Donnell’s rage: "Lawrence's reaction tells you that Cheney's speech worked."
Here is the full transcript of the exchange:
11:55AM SEGMENT:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Well, that was the former Vice President of the United States, Dick Cheney. What I found odd in that statement was a strong defense of the CIA, an organization that this vice president was at war with through much of his administration as vice president, in a very strong combat effort to blame each other for how we got the bad WMD information about Iraq. Pat Buchanan, it's so ironic, having lived in this city during those years, in sort of those months after we went into Iraq, and to have watched this fearsome warfare between the Vice President's office, led by Dick Cheney there, and the CIA. To see him embrace the operatives of the CIA and claim that he is their supporter, a strange -- strange move.
PAT BUCHANAN: Well, he not only embraced them, he's emerged and cast himself as their defender against these attacks. He just -- Chris, I'll tell you-
MATTHEWS: But the attacks aren't on the CIA. The attacks are on Dick Cheney.
BUCHANAN: Well look, what he's doing, though, his attacks are on the New York Times, and the media, and the Obama administration, as dishonest, deceitful, moralizing, not telling the whole truth. This was as rough, as candid, as anecdotal -- and even though it is not as elegant as speech as Obama's, it is far more interesting. We all of us were far more riveted, I think, here, by what he was saying than what Obama was saying. And I'll tell you, Cheney has emerged, I don't know what the breakdown in the country is, he has emerged here as the leader of the tough line, 'we only waterboarded three of them,' and I think -- I think the gauntlet was really thrown down. It has never yet been by Vice President Cheney.
MATTHEWS: Lawrence, can he get away with this? Giving a speech that's -- well, it was 16 pages long -- and never mention the main foreign policy initiative of the administration just passed, which is the war in Iraq. He hardly mentioned it. That was the issue between him and people in the CIA, the operatives who didn't think the war was a great idea. That was the issue for the last eight years, and yet he's trying to defend it, it seems to me, without saying so. That seems to have been his strategy, he was right, his critics are wrong, and the main argument, of course, was 'we were right to go to Iraq.'
LAWRENCE O'DONNELL: Well, he came today to -- obviously to do nothing much other than defend torture, which he calls 'tough questioning.' This was as sleazy a presentation by a vice president as we've had since Spiro Agnew. This was an absolute abomination. He cannot, ever, frame the other side's position honestly. What you saw with Obama earlier was Obama describes the other side's position fairly. He then goes on to advance his position. Cheney comes out and lies about the other side, it's the only way he can talk. He says that Obama will not use the word 'terrorist,' when Obama does indeed use that word. He pretends that all we did was tough questioning. He says that 9/11 -- he says that 9/11 made everyone take a second look at the threat. That is a lie. Dick Cheney and the President were in possession of memos that said this threat was present, this particular methodology was going to come, that they were going to use airliners. He and the President failed in their first nine months in office to pay any attention to the A.Q. Khan network, who he now wants to take credit for dismantling. What did Cheney do before 9/11? He denies, in this speech, that 9/11 changed him and then describes his very specific activities on 9/11, which were frightening for the Vice President. Then he goes on to say that he thinks about it every day. This guy just has to lie from beginning to end through his setup of his opposition's position in order to advance any of his ideas at all, none of which have any proof to them at all.
MATTHEWS: Mark Whitaker, in terms of the news coming out of this, it seems to me, the Vice President is adding to fears expressed by the U.S. Senate yesterday in that 90 to 6 vote, bringing these terrorist suspects into the United States prisons, into our prison system. He certainly declares war, saying that that is a bad mistake and he's opposed to it.
MARK WHITAKER: The bottom line is that the President gave a speech which was very eloquent, but I don't think, necessarily, is going to get Congress to restore the funding for shutting down Guantanamo or convince congressmen that they should have prisoners in their home districts. What seems really unfortunate, I think, in the Vice President's speech, but also to some degree, even in the President's speech, is that on both sides, although they may have disagreed about the methods, both of these administrations want to keep the American people safe. And I think, particularly the Vice President's speech, but also the President's speech, I think are not going to put an end to what is increasingly becoming a very divisive debate in this country. Both of them said that they opposed a truth commission, but it seems to me, we have to find some bipartisan way of coming together, addressing these issues, and moving forward. A plot was just foiled in New York yesterday to blow up a synagogue and to shoot down planes. Can you imagine if there was another attack like that, rather than bringing us together, as 9/11 did, I think in this political climate, it would just rip this country apart.
MATTHEWS: Let me go -- let me go to Jack Rice, who's got experience with the CIA. I was struck, as other people were here, by the strength of the former Vice President's argument on behalf of the CIA. I never thought of him as an agency guy. I always thought of him as a guy on the ideological side of that fight, going into the war in Iraq, and coming out of that war, in terms of the blame game. There was a ferocious fight, as you know, here in 2003 after the invasion, occupation, and we were unable to find a WMD, as to whose fault the whole thing was. And clearly the VP's office was at war, as was Karl Rove and the rest of that bunch, to blame the agency.
JACK RICE: Yeah, apparently the Vice President has no problem with actually looking at the facts as they stood then and as they stand now. He beat the CIA like a pinata for year after year until all of a sudden he's going to be their champion. Look, this is a guy that I'm watching today who wraps himself in the flag with the Constitution in tatters at his feet. If we look at the facts for just a second, let's go back to 2005 and what the Department of Justice memo said about Abu Zubaydah. He was tortured 82 times in one month, in one month, and not one piece of actionable intelligence came out of that. So if we talk about how this saved lives, let's look at the ramifications of what actually happened here and what it means on a world-wide stage. But, apparently, the Vice President has no need to look at those facts either. We look at where we're going and what it means, he apparently doesn't care as long as he looks good doing it.
MATTHEWS: Let me ask Andrea to put a big picture around this, a big box around it. It seems to me the Vice President has set up a Manichean world here, black and white, 'we were right, you were wrong. You're going to be wrong if you keep on your course.'
ANDREA MITCHELL: He praises the President when the President agrees with him, for instance, on not releasing the pictures, but then he says that the middle ground that the President is trying to take, and did fairly eloquently in his speech today, is a mistake and that you have to agree with the Vice President's approach, the former Vice President's approach, in order to keep America safe. He also sets up what I think is a false choice when he says that you can only draw two conclusions. That either the vigilance and the strategy that they employed worked because America was never attacked since 9/11, or that 9/11 was a one-time event and won't happen again and that you don't have to use those techniques. There is -- there are other choices. And one of those choices is that you believe that America can be attacked, as Mark was just pointing out, there was a plot foiled, we are told, in New York City, but that you don't have to use those techniques, the techniques of the Bush/Cheney administration, in order to keep America safe. So here you've got the former vice president saying they worked, the current president saying, they -- 'you don't need those techniques in order to keep America safe.' And you can't bring those two sides together. We are at a real impasse here and I've never seen the debate framed more divisively than we've heard it today.
MATTHEWS: Let's try to follow the news at it proceeds into the programs tonight on this network, and in the Nightly News, and elsewhere in the papers tomorrow. It seems to me there's two lines of the story developing here. One, what do we do with these prisoners if we get them out of Gitmo? The President lost his fight in the Senate yesterday, dramatically, 90 to 6. Now the Vice President, the former Vice President, joined in the fight with those 90 senators, clearly exploiting it, saying today, just now, 'Attorney General Holder and others have admitted that the United States will be required to accept a number of the terrorists here in the homeland,' you got to love this language, 'and it has even been suggested U.S. taxpayer dollars will be used to support them.' As if we're setting up some sort of happy hunting ground for these people. We're putting them in prison and feeding them, and giving them pajamas. What is this 'supporting them' about, Pat? This is loaded language to scare the American people, that we're giving these people TV sets, and barbells, and a nice way to live.
BUCHANAN: Well, here's what he said-
MATTHEWS: Isn't that what he's saying?
BUCHANAN: No, they're bringing them to the United States, they bring them into court, do they get bail? They get lawyers-
MATTHEWS: That's not what he's saying. He's saying relocating to the states.
BUCHANAN: They get lawyers paid -- yeah, if they're in the United States, they'll get lawyers paid for by the American people, they'll get various privilege in defenses and stuff like that paid for by the country. And if they're not convicted and they're released, where do they go? No country will take them. Do they come into the United States? Chris, what you've got is what Andrea said, you've got the President of the United States, said Cheney and his guys made us less safe because they disgraced us. Cheney says, 'you've made us less safe right now.' Cheney, I think, because of the graphic kind of anecdotal stuff he's got, is a much stronger, frankly, more balanced speech-
MATTHEWS: Let me go to Lawrence on this. The Vice President made clear today that he's going to hold these guys if they're dangerous, even if he can't make a criminal case against them. I don't know how he could be stronger in terms of what he intends to do with these people. Lawrence O'Donnell?
O'DONNELL: Exactly. The President said very clearly he's not going to release any terrorist -- and he uses the word terrorist -- who could endanger Americans. Now Chris, you've pointed out another very clear Dick Cheney lie. It is just a lie. Who is paying for the daily existence of the terrorists in Gitmo now? Who is paying for that? The American taxpayer. This is the kind of sleazy arguing that this guy does in these speeches. It is just ridiculous. It is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who's listening to him.
MITCHELL: There was one clever thing, also, that he did do, was to challenge the President to declassify those memos, which he claims prove that he's correct, that the techniques worked and kept us safer.
MATTHEWS: Well we'll be back-
O'DONNELL: But after objecting to the release of top-secret information. The Vice President objects to the release of top-secret information. In the next sentence, he advocates it.
BUCHANAN: Lawrence's reaction tells you that Cheney's speech worked.
MATTHEWS: Okay. We're all going to be on tonight on 'Hardball,' if I can book all these people, I hope I can get all you. Because this debate has only begun. The Vice President has unleashed a firestorm by -- properly said he has called for the release of those redacted statements that prove, somehow, he claims, or says, that prove that this interrogation of these prisoners, the waterboarding if you will, proved result-ful. And we're going to see whether that's going to go anywhere. And I also think he's joined this fight as to what to do with those prisoners once we close Gitmo. That'll be all coming up throughout the afternoon here on MSNBC. I'm Chris Matthews signing off for now.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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The govt media complex is so
May 21, 2009 - 16:32 ET by nadadhimmiThe govt media complex is so biased it is THEY who cannot be trusted, even worse than Chaney. That is why the Old York Times will be bankrupt within 18 months. Little Pinchy is just a great business manager isn't he? Reminds me of the old joke, when asked what he did to become rich, the man replies he followed his Dads advice: "Son, here's a billion dollars, don't loose it." Well, Pinch lost it!
Lawrence O'Donnell is one
May 21, 2009 - 16:33 ET by bigtimerLawrence O'Donnell is one of the filthiest slugs that slithers on this planet. I have to stop here...I have heard a lot of his leftist propaganda this week...including early this morning before either speech was given.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt...Cheney/Obama smackdown...
May 21, 2009 - 17:22 ET by PrairieSkyI agree 100% with your comments on O'Donnell...He is a pathetic sleazebag, and a leftist shill of the first (and worst) order...I was watching Fox's coverage of this, and Bob Beckel almost gave himself a stroke, he was so full of bs and phony righteous indignation...I kept expecting his head to explode right there on the air...lol!
BTW, Cheney was fabulous!...I was cheering and clapping through his whole speech, while I wanted to put my foot through the TV while Obama was blathering on with his crap. "O" just makes me sick...
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
LOL Sky... That is what I
May 21, 2009 - 18:10 ET by bigtimerLOL Sky...
That is what I watched too after the speech...I refused to go elsewhere today...then I put it to mute after that segment...Beckel would have been hilarious if it weren't so serious.
Why Obama said today he was Commander in Chief and he was going to do what he wanted one way or the other basically..period, end of story.
People had better wake up...he got a sucker-punch yesterday and he can't handle it.
We therefore will all pay...it is his way or the highway.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt...Oh yeah...
May 21, 2009 - 19:50 ET by PrairieSkyI can only take Beckel in small amounts...He just makes me nuts...
Ditto about "O"...He got his a$$ handed to him yesterday ( I LOVED IT!!!), and it's quite clear that he isn't used to being told "NO!" I think "O" has pretty much skated through his life thus far, and especially for the last two and a half years, he has been told that his s%$t doesn't stink and how wonderful and brilliant he is...He is not accustomed to losing, and being smacked upside the head with something...
His speech today was classic Obama...Lofty, empty rhetoric, and plenty of talk about himself...There could not have been a better, more clear picture of the differences between how the left and the right view the war on terror and the handling of terrorists, than the two speeches that we saw today. It's a shame that we couldn't have seen and heard something like today back during the election...It may have changed some minds...Cheney cleaned "O's" clock on the subject...
It is what it is, and unfortunately we're stuck with "O" and his lame, ill-advised views on terrorism (and pretty much everything else).
Lucky us...Just 1265 days to go till election day...
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Sky....are you watching
May 21, 2009 - 20:20 ET by bigtimerSky....are you watching Hannity right now? He did a pretty good job of having them side by side (O vs Cheney)....now having Liz Cheney on...
I also loved how Cheney brought up the 90's and all the attacks during that time...and if I recall, O mentioned Hillary at the beginning of his speech) plus the real terror of what people went through on 9-11, from jumping from buildings to stopping a plane from hitting the WH etc....how he brought up water-boarding the pig that cut off Danny Pearls head to gain info after everything else was tried, and it worked, paid off.
I'm gonna' stop here....I thank God for Dick Cheney...and like he said long ago when he and Bush were on the campaign trial, I will never forget it, he was talking to the military somewhere, he said "Help is on the Way." I had tears streaming down my cheeks then....I fell in love with Cheney at that moment...he is a real patriot, that loves this country first and foremost, and for those that cannot see that, I pity.
That's my rant for the evening...I think. ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt...You betcha I'm...
May 21, 2009 - 20:43 ET by PrairieSkywatching Hannity...I think Liz Cheney is terrific...I heard someone on Fox yesterday (can't remember who) ask her if she's going to run for office at some point, and she dodged the question without answering yes or no, so I'm hoping at some point that she will run...I think she'd be great. She's very smart and tough as nails (just like her dad-and her mom too), and I'd love to see her run for something.
The side by side Cheney/Obama thing Sean did was great...I thought the speeches today were such a great chance for people to see the very real differences between the left and the right... Cheney laid it all out, step by step, and very clearly made the right's case concerning the terrorist interrogation issue and why the Bush administration did what it did following 9/11...Cheney was great! He's not out there doing this for self-serving reasons. Cheney is out there doing this because, as you said, he's a real patriot, and he loves this country, and he cares deeply and worries about what lies ahead for us under Obama's leadership (if we can call it that...).
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Sky...what is sad to me is
May 21, 2009 - 20:47 ET by bigtimerSky...what is sad to me is very few people are going to hear both speeches...I can't help it, it is depressing to me.
Geraldo has me so furious at the moment I think I'm going to start dinner sooner than I planned so I can burn something up!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt...I know what you mean...
May 21, 2009 - 21:44 ET by PrairieSkyThe fact that so many didn't see (or hear) these speeches because they were at work at the time, or because they just don't care, is depressing...This was important stuff to witness, and everyone should know what was said.
Don't even get me started on Geraldo...(please don't burn your dinner!!)
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
I wonder if Beckel was this
May 21, 2009 - 19:45 ET by fitzfongI wonder if Beckel was this angry when his check to the prostitute bounced.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
fitz...Hmmm...
May 21, 2009 - 19:51 ET by PrairieSkyGood question! LOL!
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
BUCHANAN: L's reaction tells you that Cheney's speech worked
May 21, 2009 - 16:40 ET by kch50428The more hysterical the libs get about Cheney, the more I know Cheney is right about things.
kch... Right he
May 21, 2009 - 16:45 ET by bigtimerkch...
Right he is.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
And the BEST part about all the left's lies, whining and attacks
May 21, 2009 - 19:42 ET by Tailgunneris that Cheney doesn't give a rat's ass about it all.
This guy has a thicker skin than Rush and probably even Reagan.
I hope Cheney keeps this up. If he doesn't run with Palin in '12, at least he could help organize a GOP Congressional revolt in '10.
Libs are becoming more unhinged than usual over this guy. Delicious!
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Cheney draws flack because...
May 21, 2009 - 17:11 ET by jawebster1he is always over target. Cheney was brilliant today. I know it and O'Donnell knows it. That is why he is so hysterical. We must be winning. Just think what it would be like if we had an unbiased press! Jim Webster
mr. webster, you hit the nail right on its head.
May 21, 2009 - 19:36 ET by puredmashiethe liberals are squealing like a stuck pig, and they attack cheney with personal remarks, most of which have no basis, because they know they can't allow the discussion topic to be the actual issue on its own merits. they don't like camp gitmo. fine. what is their alternative proposal?
president obama has had a lot of time to have someone working on just this issue. i'm sure he appointed someone he thought was capable of coming up with a plan, and we heard today very clearly that it's a "very difficult problem." well, no $hit sherlock! thanks for that brilliant analysis.
president obama chose to give his speech today in front of the constitution. cheney could have given his speech in front of the presidential oath of office.
swing hard in case you hit it.
I've said it many times...
May 21, 2009 - 17:06 ET by jawebster1If you want to know what a Liberal is like, all you have to do is listen to what they call Conservatives. Yes, O'Donnell is sleazy and an abomination. I will never forget him screaming and repeatingly calling one of the Swift Boat spokesman a "liar". Is this creep related to Nora O'Donnell? If so, she got all the looks in the family though both were cheated on brains. Jim Webster
The Bush Administration did
May 21, 2009 - 17:11 ET by Conserv1The Bush Administration did a good job after 9/11, and that's what matters. Blaming Bush for 9/11 would be like blaming Clinton for the Oklahoma City bombing. The government knew how dangerous those anti-government groups werer during the 1990's. There was nothing specific in the memos about the 9/11 attacks. No one in our government was talking about Al Qaeda either. Did Al Gore mention terrorism during his 2000 election campaign? He was in the previous administration for eight years.
I'm delighted NewsBusters watches this crap...
May 21, 2009 - 17:14 ET by wnaegele...so I don't have to.
How sad is it when you have
May 21, 2009 - 17:15 ET by ckc1227How sad is it when you have to lie to come up with a reason to attack the former VP, a you've been lying about for 8 years now,and is STILL lying about, lol.
Libs are pretty sad to begin with though, so there's no surprise here.
"Dick Cheney and the President were in possession of memos that said this threat was present, this particular methodology was going to come, that they were going to use airliners."
Ahh, yes....you mean the groundbreaking information dating back to 1998 that said Muslim terrorists might hijack planes to protest the incarceration of the blind sheik? Wow, who knew that Muslim terrorists might want to hijack planes....it's not like they have a history of doing such things, lol.
Seems to me that whatever needed to be done should have already been put in place 3 years earlier....right, O'donnel?
Seems to me that 9/11 was planned during the Clinton administration.....right, O'donnel?
Seems to me that it was the Clinton administration that inacted rules that prevented law enforcement from accessing a laptop that would have exposed the entire 9/11 plot.....right, O'donnel?
Naaah, Bush evil....Cheney liar.....right, O'donnel?
I hate to bring up rendition but
May 21, 2009 - 17:57 ET by IamTinmanI hate to bring up rendition, but Glen Beck today had on the gent who developed the rendition program for, Hold your breath, Bill Clinton!!
It seems that instead of manning up and interrogating prisoners the Clinton Administration would simply hand them over to our good friends the Egyptians and let them do the dirty work. In return Egypt got arms and bucks. Now paying someone else to do the distasteful chores of war seems a hell of a lot lot more immoral than doing what you feel you have to in order to protect your countrymen.
I wonder how many members of congress knew about the rendition program and by their silence approved of it?
BTW I have a tres liberal friend who told me, "I hope that Israel destroys the Iraqi nuclear project so that we don't have to." Just one more instance of the left wanting someone else to do the heavy lifting.
He likely would have approved of rendition too but since I told him I hoped Barack would fail, we aren't on speaking terms.
IamTinman - I believe you meant IRAN when you wrote:
May 21, 2009 - 21:54 ET by Rush Fan"I hope that Israel destroys the Iraqi nuclear project so that we don't have to."
As you recall, Israel crippled the nuclear materials testing reactor in Osirak in 1981.
The democrats accept rendition and waterboarding as long as it is under the auspices of a democrat. Only when it is under a Republican that it is considered torture by the dems and their partners in the drive-by media.
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“Understand something about liberalism. They never stop until they get what they want, and when they get what they want, it's never enough. That's why it's a constant thing to have to oppose them. You can't join forces with them, you can't moderate them, you can't slow them down by joining them, you can't make them like you and have them change their agenda. They have to be stopped.” ~ Rush Limbaugh
My bad Rush Fan
May 22, 2009 - 10:38 ET by IamTinmanBrain-fingers disconnect! Probably because I was so irritated with Geraldo!
Lie About Pre-9/11 Al Qaeda Intel Going Around Again
May 21, 2009 - 19:01 ET by L.N. SmitheeOn Tuesday night, Jesse Ventura told Sean Hannity that Condi Rice had intel saying that bin Laden would fly planes into buildings.
Now O'Donnell says essentially the same thing. ckc1227, thanks for reminding everyone that the only mention of airplanes in those intel reports were in the context of using passengers as hostages to be used in exchange for the release of Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman, the power behind the failed 1993 attempt to topple the World Trade Center towers. Those who remember Yasser Arafat remember how he liked hijacking airliners for hostages, not battering rams.
Obama has in the past cited the arrests and convictions of the '93 WTC bombers as an example of how terrorists can be brought to justice being treated as normal American criminals with all the rights of natural-born citizens. What he doesn't address is that even after the Clinton era Al Qaeda figures were convicted and jailed, that didn't prevent Islamist maniacs - from within or without - from plotting how to either free them from prison or finish what they started. They weren't impressed that we put their boys in the Greybar Hotel fair and square without waterboarding them.
FWIW, Ventura further alleged that Bush's earlier business dealings with a bin Laden brother in his oilman days played a role. Hannity, for whatever reason (maybe time restraints), didn't call him out on it.
"Well, I've got nothing against the press...they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true..." -- Joe Jackson, "Sunday Papers"
Sigh...the fictional Gorelick wall is erected yet again
May 21, 2009 - 23:45 ET by JerSeems to me that it was the Clinton administration that inacted rules that prevented law enforcement from accessing a laptop that would have exposed the entire 9/11 plot.
That this canard has been circulated for years by the finger-pointers on the right doesn't mean it's true. Indeed, I've never seen a shred of credible, objective evidence that such was the case--in fact, the findings of the 9/11 commission are diametrically opposed to this assertion. But, perhaps you have something more substantial than the partisan fantasies of Limbaugh & Co.
Jer
The Wall
May 22, 2009 - 10:40 ET by Spoonhttp://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004956
Here you go. And no bull*&%$ about "the findings of the 9/11 commission are diametrically opposed to this assertion." You don't put O.J. Simpson on the jury for his own trial. Gorelick should never have been on the Commission.
This is from his source, the Wall Street Journal.
May 22, 2009 - 11:19 ET by Tailgunner"In the days before September 11, the wall specifically impeded the investigation into Zacarias Moussaoui, Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. After the FBI arrested Moussaoui, agents became suspicious of his interest in commercial aircraft and sought approval for a criminal warrant to search his computer. The warrant was rejected because FBI officials feared breaching the wall."
This is not WorldNetDaily, NewsMax or the National Enquirer. This is as credible a news source as you'll find nowadays.
"(T)he Attorney General declassified and read from a March 4, 1995, memo in which Jamie Gorelick--then Deputy Attorney General and now 9/11 Commissioner--instructed then-FBI Director Louis Freeh and United States Attorney Mary Jo White that for the sake of "appearances" they would be required to adhere to an interpretation of the wall far stricter than the law required."
"We believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will more clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation...".
This article, combined with other sources I've read in the past suggests that part of the Clinton Administration's increased efforts to 'raise the wall' may have been concern over the possibility that intelligence on illegal foreign contributions to Clinton's '96 reelection might have found its way to the Justice Department.
Whatever the wall's intent, the fact remains that essential intelligence in Moussaoui's computer remained untapped because the FBI took Jamie Gorelick's memo raising the 'wall' seriously enough to squelch a FISA search warrant request.
According to Sen. Chuck Grassley: "If the application for the FISA warrant had gone forward, agents would have found information in Moussaoui's belongings that linked him both to a major financier of the hijacking plot working out of Germany, and to a Malaysian al-Qaida boss who had met with at least two other hijackers while under surveillance by intelligence officials."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui (yes, it's Wikipedia).
Sorry for the cut and paste job but it's often important to read the exact words to make the point.
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Tailgunner [and Spoon]
May 22, 2009 - 16:20 ET by JerIt's indeed unfortunate there may have been a misinterpretation of authority which Gorelick's clarification had been specifically designed to avoid.
I listened to every word of Ashcroft's testimony. Unsurprisingly, he attempted to justify and rationalize his own negligence in ignoring and brushing aside critical red flags which had been waved directly in his face prior to 9/11.
The WSJ is a fine newspaper. Nevertheless, its editorial page is highly partisan, and thus the opinion expressed in this particular piece on this particular issue is hardly shocking--just as any editorial position of the NYT attacking the Bush administration must be taken with the requisite dosage of salt.
However, I will agree on this: Gorelick should not have sat on the Commission.
Jer
BTW, if Gorelick's "wall" was so wrongheaded and crippling to federal investigations, why was there no move to abrogate it by the Bush administration prior to 9/11?
It's true that the WSJ editorial page is the source.
May 22, 2009 - 18:35 ET by TailgunnerBut the conclusions reached based on the information provided were valid and reasonable.
And the WSJ was not the only source for this.
Incidentally: Why did the 9/11 Commission sit on a tape recording of Bill Clinton admitting to being 'offered' Osama bin Laden by Sudan but refusing the offer?
The tape had been sent to the commission which ignored it and therefore was able to claim there was no 'credible evidence' that Sudan ever offered OBL to Clinton.
And why did Sandy Berger go to the National Archives around the time the commission was in existence and 'sanitize' the Clinton Administration's counterterrorism files?
Berger pled guilty to taking and destroying documents relating to Clinton's response to multiple terrorist attacks.
If that's not a 'coverup', then I don't know what is.
If Dems are smart (and they're not), they won't go back down this road.
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
You mean the same 9/11
May 22, 2009 - 10:47 ET by fitzfongYou mean the same 9/11 Commission that conveniently boasted Jamie Gorelick as one its authors rather than one of its witnesses?
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Yep, that's the
May 22, 2009 - 15:39 ET by JerYep, that's the one.
The one chaired by a Republican. The one which generated a final report principally authored by the Republican majority staff.
Jer
More crap spewed...
May 22, 2009 - 15:46 ET by SpoonThe only thing bipartisan was both sides scrubbing the record clean of ANY wrongdoing. I don't give a *&%$ which side wrote it. Gorelick should have been a witness, not on the commission. So she had not input? She said, 'sorry, guys, you write this part. I was too involved"? Not a chance. Again, you don't put the witnesses/suspects on the jury.
Spoon... See my further
May 22, 2009 - 16:08 ET by JerSpoon...
See my further spewing of crap above. I agree with you about Gorelick being seated on the commission.
Jer
The one chaired by a
May 22, 2009 - 16:15 ET by fitzfongThe one chaired by a RINO...and essentially dictated by Richard Ben-veniste. Gorelick's presence on that committee creates at minimum the appearance of impropriety (certainly resembles an intentional whitewash), and, in my opinion, renders the conclusions drawn incomplete and invalid.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
fitz...Reiterating what
May 22, 2009 - 16:29 ET by Jerfitz...
Reiterating what I posted above: I, too, wish she had not been seated on the commission, for the very reason you cite and because it permits smart guys like you to dismiss the entirety of its findings.
Jer
Thanks, Jer. I learned
May 22, 2009 - 16:35 ET by fitzfongThanks, Jer. I learned that "fruit from the poisoned tree" thing from watching Law & Order over the years. :-)
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Well, fitz...
May 22, 2009 - 16:56 ET by JerI suspect you learned more from watching L&O than I did in my criminal law class several decades ago.
Jer
Off topic: You've got the California political follies nailed to the wall. I'm ready for you to move back and kick the Terminator's ass. Sorry I can't vote, but I'll get my sister to convert the Marin County crowd.
Jer
Thanks, Jer. It was the
May 22, 2009 - 19:55 ET by fitzfongThanks, Jer. It was the Gray Davis Recall that encouraged me to re-register to vote in the first place (I should have taken my Dad's advice and vote for Tom McClintock...now a Congressman...to replace him. But I got swept up in the Schwarzenegger rhetoric. And I just wanted Davis to lose so much). My girlfriend at the time (now my wife), got out of her sick bed so she could vote. There was such an excitement around the place when he pulled it off, and it was such a disappointment when he turned out to be worse than Davis. I think he had designs on Barbara Boxer's seat in 2010, but even he must realize that he's a liability. He seems to be seeking a Cabinet appointment, but Obama would be smart to steer clear of him. If Arnold manages to get the Republican Senatorial nomination we might consider moving back to California just to vote for Boxer. Even Marin County voted down Arnold's initiatives (I think 1A...Arnold's pet proposition...lost every county).
By the way, your command of history makes me work harder to be certain to have my facts straight.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
O'Donnell or
May 21, 2009 - 17:26 ET by MES41067O'douchebag love when they whine.
(Lenin called them "useful idiots" I for one have no use for them.)
O'Crapell.
May 21, 2009 - 17:52 ET by blazermaniacLawrence O'Donnell should change his last name. He is an embarrassment to Irish people around the world. He fits in perfectly on PMSNBC. Cheney was right. The folks in the drive-by media are just plain left. And very, very wrong!
Gotta laugh at all the
May 21, 2009 - 17:57 ET by MidAmericaGotta laugh at all the folks with their undies in a twist. I hope Cheney keeps pulling 'wedgies' on all these people.
Why is Dick Cheney doing this?
May 21, 2009 - 17:59 ET by totsotvaitnWhy is Vice-President Dick Cheney agreeing to all of the interviews, speeches and exposure to the hatefulness of the left wing bias? Dick Cheney is rich, happily out of the political fracas, he doesn’t need the money or publicity, he has a bad heart and certainly doesn’t need the stress, he is a very private, quiet man and enjoying a comfortable, quiet retirement. Why? My conclusion is Dick Cheney loves America and its people and detests what is happening to our country. There is no other explanation. God Bless Dick Cheney's bravery.
ttt... Amen. Doubling down
May 21, 2009 - 18:05 ET by bigtimerttt...
Amen.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
And... he also illuminates
May 21, 2009 - 18:25 ET by Jack BauerAnd... he also illuminates the current craven slobbering cowardice of the so-called "Republican" leadership in DC.
Where ARE they? Sticking up their fingers to see which way the wind is blowing? Guess what, turns out Powell is, as usual, utterly wrong.
Who'd a thunk it. People DON'T LIKE tax thievery after all. Amazing. Never would have guessed. Remarkable.
Clearly Cheney has had it with the Democrat wing of the Republican party, and is sticking it to the actual Democrats.
He really is getting under their very thin skins. Good.
Amen, bro...
May 21, 2009 - 18:49 ET by jawebster1I read the book "Cheney" by Stephen F. Hayes, so I know the type of person he is. He is an All-American success story from Wyoming who married his high school sweetheart and went on to a great life and career. God Blessed Dick Cheney! Jim Webster
The clips I saw
May 21, 2009 - 19:29 ET by UpNorthof the 0's speech showed that he was pi$$ed, apparently that anyone would question HIS credibility. So, do what dems do, blame it all on someone else. I think he's finding that his lies aren't flying now, and he can't figure out why.
I only heard Obama's speech
May 21, 2009 - 21:05 ET by ThatDudeI only heard Obama's speech on this. I caught it on the way to work on Scarborough's radio program. (I like him and Mika on radio, they are more straight forward than on MSNBC) It's a shame I missed Cheney, as his coming out as a strong conservative voice has been good to see. What I heard from Obama was a simple repetition of Democrat talking points. Must he really blame the Bush administration in every speech he gives? The whole thing was a weak argument, shy of fact, that blamed Bush for problems while really not offering useful solutions. I miss the days when the President took responsibility for his actions (like Obama's in the Senate for some of the 8 years he keeps speaking ill of) and moves forward rather than criticizing others.
Being younger and less politically inclined, I may be wrong, but I can't remember Bush coming out blaming Clinton for every problem he faced. It seems to me an utter lack of leadership and character to blame others when one finds himself in charge. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but a leader takes credit for the problems he faces even if he isn't at fault. I want to see some spine out of Obama and ideas that don't spend more of our money in order to bleed liberties from Americans (or give them to foreigners.)
Han Solo again:
May 21, 2009 - 18:19 ET by SlyrrCheney must have hit pretty close to the bulls-eye to get them hopping like this. Obama's media slaves are close to total meltdown because even they can't cover his outrageous lies and incompetence for much longer.
Which isn't to say they'll stop trying....
If you thought the media was bad before, just wait till the '10 election cycle. They're going to descend to sleazy depths the likes of which people have never known in an attempt to keep their corrupt slave-owners in office....
Please tell Mr. Cheney that I love him
May 21, 2009 - 18:19 ET by RousseSomeone reading here today must know Dick Cheney personally. Would you please tell him that Rousse said, "I LOVE YOU." And thank you.
I love it
May 21, 2009 - 18:38 ET by the strugglerCheney should speak twice a week to keep these moonbats spinning
Mark Levin is eviserating this O'Donnell creep...
May 21, 2009 - 18:42 ET by jawebster1on national talk radio right now. O'Donnell, you creep, you have been invited by Mark to appear on his show. You will have a large audience, much larger than you are used to on MSLSD. If you have the courage of your convictions (i.e., if you have balls!) you will accept Mark's challenge, but you won't because you are gutless, you creep! OH, BTW, we all know about that "memo" you are talking about. It was not specific, so there is no way it could have been acted upon. You and your fellow libs know it, but it doesn't stop you from bringing it up all the time, you creep! Jim Webster
jaw... LOL...I've been
May 21, 2009 - 18:56 ET by bigtimerjaw...
LOL...I've been listening to what I can of it too in between things...eviserate is right!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Cheney should say in a calm
May 21, 2009 - 18:50 ET by the strugglerCheney should say in a calm voice: "Obama betrayed this country.He played on our fears."
Stand back while heads explode
What a bunch of whores!
May 21, 2009 - 19:11 ET by Tailgunner(And not even good ones at that.)
O'Donnell: "Dick Cheney and the President were in possession of memos that said this threat was present, this particular methodology was going to come, that they were going to use airliners."
I mean, come on, Larry. You got to think up some original lies. Quit stealing MoveOn.org's material.
That story has been debunked for years. All Bush got was a generic Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) without specific times, dates or targets...just a general statement that AQ was 'determined to strike inside the US'. That's all.
And Rice: "He (Zubaydah) was tortured 82 times in one month, in one month, and not one piece of actionable intelligence came out of that."
You notice that liberals are portraying the men known to be responsible for the massacre of 3,000 innocent Americans, the destruction of the two tallest buildings in the world, damage to the Pentagon and three airliners as victims of Dick Cheney?
Dick Cheney is more evil than Abu Zubaydah?
Then why did Obama cut sentences out of a report he released detailing EIT?
Why is Obama refusing Cheney's challenge to release all the memos on EIT?
Why is Obama withholding information Cheney says proves that EIT saved lives?
It's because he knows Cheney is right. Obama's tearing down the intelligence fortress built by Bush and Cheney and opening the US to terrorism...hell, he even wants to give them a ride into the country!
Yes, O'Donnell and Rice, there is proof. And it's under lock and key in the Obama Administration.
I'll tell ya, al-Qaeda loves you guys. They're getting free PR and the Democrats are footing the bill for media whores like Rice and O'Donnell.
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Words count
May 21, 2009 - 19:58 ET by Dan DiegoAfter reading Cheney's remarks and trying to read Obama's (couldn't finish) speech, I did a quick word count.
Cheney: "I" 37 times
Obama: "I" 100+ times
Seems to me that Cheney expressed concern about us/we (America and Americans) and Obama is focused Obama... Disclaimer: It's not like I'm a scientist or something, something.
Just Five Words:
May 21, 2009 - 20:24 ET by BarkerThank God for Dick Cheney
Barker... One
May 21, 2009 - 20:32 ET by bigtimerBarker...
One word...
Amen!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Lefties Heads explode
May 21, 2009 - 20:37 ET by Spike72AFAThe Left doesn't hate Cheney because he lied; they say he lied because they hate him.
I wonder what the color the sky is on O'Donnell's planet...
commie pink
May 22, 2009 - 08:41 ET by xcor057Liberalism is fiction
turn on
May 21, 2009 - 20:42 ET by rona light and the cockroaches scatter. tell the truth and liberals go nuts. gotta love it
Sleazy presentation
May 21, 2009 - 20:50 ET by Arminius"This was as sleazy a presentation by a vice president as we've had since Spiro Agnew. This was an absolute abomination." - Lawrence O'Donnell
I have to give that one to Al Gore and his speech before the MoveOn nutcases a few years back. Gore lambasted the Bush administration for associating with Ahmed Chalabi: "Yes, in spite of these analyses, Bush chose to suppress the warnings and instead convey to the American people the absurdly Polyanna-ish view of highly questionable and obviously biased sources like Ahmad Chalabi, the convicted felon and known swindler, who the Bush administration put on its payroll and gave a seat adjacent to Laura Bush at the State of the Union address." http://pol.moveon.org/gore5/
Of course, this was the same Al Gore who belonged to an administration that put Chalabi on the payroll AFTER he had been convicted by the Jordanian court (a conviction that was highly suspect).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/809168.stm
It goes without saying that O'Donnell and his moonbat friends in the media never questioned Gore's hypocrisy and dishonesty.
Arm... That was rich. I
May 21, 2009 - 20:57 ET by bigtimerArm...
That was rich.
I had forgot about that despicable BS...from that deplorable POS...whose still swindling us himself...and more to come.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
The lefty MSM is getting really scared now.
May 21, 2009 - 21:57 ET by R D HelmToday was probably Obama's worst day as POTUS to date.
He is beginning to founder.
Good.
-Dave
lying larry
May 21, 2009 - 22:20 ET by charlietexasthis is the same guy that said that the swift boat veterans were "lying liars". Guess who is the liar? He loses it when he can't win the argument. He just reverts into a name calling machine. Not much analysis there. Just ranting. so much for the "intellectual libs". They are not tolerant at all. Mathews is just as bad. I hope they keep these screwballs on MSNBC. What a dying channel. they are just a pawn for Jeffery Immelt and GE. The gov't will soon buy them out and own the utilities. Hugo Chavez must be laughing out loud. what a mess.
This guy is
May 21, 2009 - 22:26 ET by DelsaINSANE!
I heard him say this stuff and couldn't believe my ears.
This guy and his left wing buds are scared to death.
Go Cheney Go!
For 5 long years, we heard waterboarding was torture
May 21, 2009 - 23:36 ET by JWFBut the exact procedure for waterboarding was classified until April 2009. Do the left in this country all have Top Secrect Clearances?
Jack "lemonhead" Rice: let's go back to 2005 and what the Department of Justice memo said about Abu Zubaydah. He was tortured 82 times in one month, in one month, and not one piece of actionable intelligence came out of that.
The intelligence that came out of the OLC memo's and waterboarding is still highly classified. This is what Dick Cheney is complaining about. Does Jack Rice still have a clearance and if he does, is he exposing classified information?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
From his speech today, Obama's words confuse me
May 22, 2009 - 00:06 ET by Delsa"the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights -- these
are not simply words written into aging parchment. They are the foundation of
liberty and justice in this country, and a light that shines for all who seek
freedom, fairness, equality, and dignity around the world.
I stand here
today as someone whose own life was made possible by these documents. My father
came to these shores in search of the promise that they offered. My mother made
me rise before dawn to learn their truths when I lived as a child in a foreign
land."
Does this empty suit, teleprompter reading, prig, really expect us to believe this clap trap? How old was he when she woke him before dawn to pound into his tiny brain the importance of the aforementioned documents?
He is so full of $hit I can't get over it.
Can anyone help me as to his age when this child abuse was going on?
HELP
My guess is somewhere
May 22, 2009 - 00:50 ET by JerMy guess is somewhere between 8 and 10 years old. [My mom had to get up between 4:00 and 5:00 a.m. during the Depression to do farm work when she was nine. Was that child abuse, too?]
Jer
Re: Lawrence
May 21, 2009 - 23:39 ET by Will AntoninI've always felt a little bad for poor Lawrence.
He strikes me as someone who *desperately* wishes _The West Wing_ show was reality -- a world where every liberal is a thoughtful, scintillating wit, every conservative a convenient strawman to knock over.
In reality, his rhetoric has never quite measured up. He postures as an intellect but somehow always devolves into mere rant.
This, of course, is not terribly uncommon for the left these days, as they've taken what was once a coherent (and, arguably, noble) political perspective and transformed it into an angry and ultimately empty ideology divorced from its original ideals.
But I ramble.
Poor Lawrence.....
He lives out a mid-life crisis on camera, always exposing his desire to have been someone consequential. At least he can make believe, and I suppose that's something.....
Does MSNBC not feed its
May 22, 2009 - 00:08 ET by RogerCfromSDDoes MSNBC not feed its media personalities for a week before releasing the hounds?
Every single one of these nincompoops is rabid, irrational, and hateful. They are caricatures of "news" people. How does that network find some many people who are supposed to be adult professionals to behave like junior high school gossip mongers?
A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.
This guy is a moron...
May 22, 2009 - 00:45 ET by Dustin JolleyThis guy is a moron. He's calling the former Vice President sleazy?! Does anybody remember his anti-Mormon, anti-Romney rant on PBS last year? Now that was sleazy!
Hmmmm.
May 22, 2009 - 00:53 ET by DoktorFrankenLawrence O’Donnell, MSNBC, ‘Sleazy’, ‘Abomination’. Yep. all of the expertise in that arena is there in abundance. Cheney tells it 'like it is' and they flail like the alien who got a shotgun blast in the mouth in 'Aliens'.
'Give 'em hell Harry' said it best -
''I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell.''
I Just Vomited
May 22, 2009 - 06:52 ET by GeneralAlI just vomited all over my keyboard reading this NBC [Nothing But Crap!] propaganda! At what point will the MSM [Mainly Socialist Morons!] even begin to critique the Messiah and his Deciples? Who will thay blame when the TelePrez releases these thugs only to have them kill some Americans? Who will Christine Jorgematthews blame when all private business is controlled by Commisar Obama? Will Larry O'dumbbell be as red in the face when the "misunderstood" jihadists explode a bomb in a shopping mall? I think Jackass Lice was a double agent the way he attacks Cheney! He was probably planted by the left to disrupt the work of the CIA!
I'll bet in two year, when we start destroying [not just defeating!] the Ultra Extreme Left Wing, we will still be hearing "Bush lied, people died!" and "Sarah Palin lacks experience!"
Short of being caught red handed consorting with Osama, the Lord of the Prompter will still send a thrill up their legs!
O'Donnell is a joke
May 22, 2009 - 08:24 ET by kevinm13Larry O'Donnell wouldn't know truth if it hit him between the eyes and knocked him over. VP Cheney told it fairly and truthfully and Larry is bitter because Cheney is effective in his speeches.
Go Dick Cheney, keep up the speeches. It is making the 'Bamster look like a real amateur and is driving the lunatics on the left crazy.
Lest we forget-------
May 22, 2009 - 15:54 ET by misterbill"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
Barry Goldwater
That's my opinion too and I would guess, reading the posts re: waterboarding on this site, that most of you agree too.
And even though he stepped down in disgrace---
May 22, 2009 - 15:59 ET by misterbill"Three things have been difficult to tame: the oceans, fools and women. We may soon be able to tame the oceans; fools and women will take a little longer."
Spiro T. Agnew