In celebration of the 200th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s birthday on Thursday’s CBS Early Show, co-host Maggie Rodriguez did a segment highlighting five, "...things you may not know about Honest Abe," including his sexual orientation. The segment featured New York University history professor Jeffrey Sammons, who argued: "One of the very interesting stories about Abraham Lincoln is that he might have been gay. Lincoln actually did sleep in the same bed with a gentleman for a four-year period." Rodriguez concluded: "So the question of Abraham Lincoln's sexuality still remains a mystery."
In addition to spreading revisionist rumors about Lincoln’s sexuality, the segment also focused on his racist attitudes as Rodriguez declared: "Myth number two, he was the great champion of equality." Sammons explained: "Lincoln is known as the great emancipator or the great father of black people, but Lincoln was a man of his times when it came to race. He indicated that he did not believe that blacks were equal to whites, said to have used the n-word in speeches and in letters. So there's no indication that Abraham Lincoln believes in black equality."
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
8:20AM SEGMENT:
MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: As we reported earlier, today Abraham Lincoln would have been 200 years old. Here are some things you may not know about Honest Abe. Myth number one, Abraham Lincoln's motives behind the Civil War.
JEFFREY SAMMONS [NAU HISTORY PROFESSOR]: So many people believe now that Lincoln actually took action to end slavery, really his action was to restore the Union. If he had to free none of the slaves to achieve that objective, he would.
RODRIGUEZ: Myth number two, he was the great champion of equality.
SAMMONS: Lincoln is known as the great emancipator or the great father of black people, but Lincoln was a man of his times when it came to race. He indicated that he did not believe that blacks were equal to whites, said to have used the n-word in speeches and in letters. So there's no indication that Abraham Lincoln believes in black equality.
RODRIGUEZ: Myth three, the assassination.
SAMMONS: What many people don't realize is that at first John Wilkes Booth did not act alone. The first plan was to actually kidnap Abraham Lincoln, take him south, and hold him for ransom.
RODRIGUEZ: But when others deemed the plan unrealistic, Booth went forward with a different plan, shooting and killing the president. Myth four, was Lincoln depressed? Lincoln was revered as the strong dominant wartime president, but historians generally agree he suffered from clinical depression and his own law partner said 'melancholy dripped from him as he walked.' And myth five, his sexuality.
SAMMONS: One of the very interesting stories about Abraham Lincoln is that he might have been gay. Lincoln actually did sleep in the same bed with a gentleman for a four-year period.
RODRIGUEZ: So the question of Abraham Lincoln's sexuality still remains a mystery. But 200 years later, one thing remains constant-
SAMMONS: Lincoln certainly has to go down in history as one of the nation's great presidents.
JULIE CHEN: And did you know that he really wasn't the 16th President of the United States?
RODRIGUEZ: Really?
CHEN: I'm making that up right now. That is a myth I just made up.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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It all makes sense now!
February 12, 2009 - 12:22 ET by Sergeant ROCKObama one-ups Lincoln by also being half-black.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
Obama and Lincoln
February 12, 2009 - 12:24 ET by LionKingIs he half-gay too?
Will Obama emancipate the white people?
Two Great Questions
February 12, 2009 - 12:50 ET by Sergeant ROCKMaybe. Or is it bi- ?
I doubt that Michelle will approve of that.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
michelle could very well be
February 12, 2009 - 18:56 ET by TruthMongermichelle could very well be a guy...
On top of --
February 12, 2009 - 14:55 ET by misterbillOn top of being half-assed????
I knew they were going to do this!!!
February 12, 2009 - 12:32 ET by HeavyChevyNow the MSM have the kinda, sorta, maybe truth that Obama is the superior president!
Yes it's official there is no more reason to look up to any past President besides the Bambster!
Mark my words.
February 12, 2009 - 16:29 ET by Mike BrattonThis Monday, February 19, 2009 is Presidents' Day, correct?
Within the next four years (and it wouldn't surprise me if this happens before 2010), it will be changed to "President's Day," as in President Obama.
Watch for it.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Mike I would not take that bet
February 12, 2009 - 17:57 ET by HeavyChevybecause I would lose, because you are right!"
Oh brother. You know if
February 13, 2009 - 02:15 ET by MICHIGAN-MOMOh brother. You know if Lincoln could have foreseen into the future that this rediculous conversation would have occurred, he could have sat down and written out in longhand 1,000 times "I am not a homosexual, no matter what they say about me in the future."
But I think that would have used that against him too, for example:
"yes, we know he wrote that, but methinks he doth protest too much, this could only prove he didn't want us to find out." or MAKE UP & say some other equally idiotic remark to try to make themselves feel better about themselves.
Why even have "HISTORY" professors anymore, if they are always going to be revising it to suit their agendas? Wouldn't "FAIRYTALE professors" be more accurate?
Anyway I haven't watched CBS since the insufferable, conceited and crass Couric made a really, really rude and mean remark to a woman who had just lost her husband on 9/11. In my opinion that should have finished the stupid twit's career on the spot.
CBS = Complete Bull S__t! Who needs it? NOT I !!!
I should say though at the
February 13, 2009 - 02:49 ET by MICHIGAN-MOMI should say though at the time Couric made her jerk response to the woman after 9/11 she was still at NBC (Nothing But Crap) network. But wherever she goes, mediocrity in media seems to follow. But really though, can't blame the creepy couric, the lying libs are everywhere. I had to laugh the other night when on ABC (A Bunch of Crap) George Stupidopolis who in spite of his embarrassingly obvious enormous man crush for Obama, GS attempted to make a "report card" on Obama's speech (as if he would give him a failing grade.) Kind of like asking George Steinbrenner what is the best baseball team, der der der. What do we think he's gonna say? I had to change the channel, another station bites the dust.
Hmmm maybe that history prof should focus on Stephanopolous's orientation though - if such things matter so much to him.
"What many people don't
February 12, 2009 - 12:24 ET by Kevroy"What many people don't realize is that at first John Wilkes Booth did not act alone."
Well, people who never paid attention in school, anyway....
Another great myth: The media reports the news in an unbiased manner.
And he didn't act alone
February 12, 2009 - 12:27 ET by Lord ElicaniAnd he didn't act alone here, either. Four were hung and others jailed for their involvment.
I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
- Queensrÿche, "Revolution Calling"
WELL WELL well THE OAF can finally come out of the closet.
February 12, 2009 - 12:29 ET by upcountrywater51% of the viewers, now believe that Lincoln wasn't the 16 th. President.
FREEDOM
john wilkes booth was a (D)
...aaaand around the first turn...
February 12, 2009 - 12:32 ET by SickofLibs... Obama takes the lead over Lincoln (at least until HE is proven a closet homo) by two lengths as the greatest preznint of all time.
Of course we all know Lincoln was married to Todd M. Lincoln, not Mary Todd Lincoln.
→ At the wire
February 12, 2009 - 12:36 ET by Cool ArrowWith Larry Sinclair coming up on the inside.
~Oh dear
February 12, 2009 - 12:48 ET by choselife3xPssst. Cool, hey Cool..*she whispered* I've slept in a bed with another woman. Does that mean I'm *gulp* a..a LESBIAN?!?!
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
you have my complete
February 12, 2009 - 12:59 ET by SickofLibsyou have my complete attention...!
→ SoL
February 12, 2009 - 13:05 ET by Cool ArrowMine too, having spent my life as a lesbian trapped in a man's body.
→ It's OK chose
February 12, 2009 - 13:04 ET by Cool ArrowComing from a family of five boys and seven girls, we slept like sardines, head to toe, on bunks.
We went to bed with clean feet.
~Hope you didn't have any kickers in there!
February 12, 2009 - 13:19 ET by choselife3xI believe that in the past it was fairly common for people of the same sex to share a bed when necessary.
It's not like they could run out to The Mattress Company and pick one up! You just made do with what you had.
SoL: we gave each other a pedi and had a pillow figh-nah, actually we just talked about stuff and fell asleep. Girls do it all the time. We call it a 'sleepover'.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
CSL: I know, I was just
February 12, 2009 - 17:34 ET by SickofLibsCSL: I know, I was just kidding!
Now, Cool, on the other hand...
(OK, mostly kidding)
February 12, 2009 - 17:35 ET by SickofLibs(OK, mostly kidding)
~SoL
February 12, 2009 - 18:02 ET by choselife3xI understand. Sort of. Well, not really.
But that's okay. I guess.
(not that there's anything wrong with that)* good Obama, that was a great lib impersonation!*
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Just wondering if any of
February 12, 2009 - 19:50 ET by JerJust wondering if any of the 'Arrow' siblings are podiatrists or pedicurists [or foot fettishers]?
Jer
I think that might have been the funniest thing you
February 13, 2009 - 02:38 ET by thebutlerdidithave written at NB since I started reading the site, Jer. As for their little "Myths," was I the only one who was truly offended? Sleeping in a bed with the opposite sex was not considered gay in those days. It was because you made do, as CL3x said. As for AL saying the "N-word" so what? That word was used acceptably up into the 1960's. Black men at factories that might have the same name as another employee, were often called names such as Irish Joe, or Fat Joe, or Ni&&er Joe. No one thought anything about it. I remember an old black man that called himself Ni&&er Pete, and my 62 y o hubby says that it was very common in many communities he traveled to in his sales rep days. He has told me about his neighbor, Ni&&er Frank, who had a son that they called Chocolate boy in the neighborhood. This was in the late 50's. According to him, that's what they called themselves. It wasn't meant to degrade, just as an identifyer. I think if AL heard what these people were saying about him, he might just come back and haunt them all. And this guy is supposedly a serious historian? And I am a nuclear physicist in my spare time, too.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
You are right about 19th
February 13, 2009 - 03:44 ET by JerYou are right about 19th century sleeping arrangements. However, there is some additional anecdotal evidence indicating Lincoln may have had a couple of homosexual affairs. But even that evidence is by no means conclusive. Conduct which may be highly suggestive today was regarded very differently in Lincoln's time.
I am reasonably familiar with Lincoln's views on race and slavery, and one can find words in his hundreds of speeches over many years to support whichever argument is being advanced. He was very progressive on the issue when compared to prevailing contemporary opinion, but he indeed was primarily a unionist, who, as President, would--and did--subordinate the goal of freeing the slaves to the overriding objective of preserving the union. I am not aware of his use of the N-word, although it would not be shocking, for the very reasons you pointed out.
Jer
... and Unicorn Chrissie
February 12, 2009 - 12:51 ET by SickofLibs... and Unicorn Chrissie finishes outta the money at a dismal 10th
Why do they do this?
February 12, 2009 - 12:39 ET by Defector01Why is it they have to find every single great person in American history and make them all gay, or hyper depressed or whatnot?
I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it - Voltaire
Liberals
February 12, 2009 - 12:45 ET by GothampcLiberals do this because they need to make historical figures more like themselves. They can't stand a hero and so they have to pull heroes off their pedestals.
Why?
February 12, 2009 - 12:56 ET by dborschjr68Because they hate America. Period.
"Liberate tutume ex inferis, liberal puppets." Me.
Jesus was gay too, don't you
February 12, 2009 - 12:56 ET by MrSnugglesJesus was gay too, don't you know?
What if...
February 12, 2009 - 12:58 ET by dborschjr68..I said that Hitler was a queer? Would the MSM be so fast to put the queer tag on Lincoln, then? Or is being queer only cool and hip when it is an historical figure we all love?
"Liberate tutume ex inferis, liberal puppets." Me.
Hitler couldn't possibly
February 12, 2009 - 13:04 ET by HockeyKidHitler couldn't possibly have been gay. Those uniforms showed absolutely no fashion sense whatsoever!
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
read some old jfk speeches
February 12, 2009 - 14:57 ET by TruthMongerread some old jfk speeches - there are rumors he was actually a NEOCON!
"stimulous my ass! ask not what your country can do for you
I call it Stuart Smalley
February 12, 2009 - 13:02 ET by HockeyKidI call it Stuart Smalley Syndrome. Libs are desperate to be assured that they are "good enough, smart enough, and--gosh darn it--people like" them. In order to realize this fantasy, they remake great figures of history in their own image. Then they can say, "See? He's just like me!"
It is simply another manifestation of the mental sickness that is liberalism.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Proof positive!
February 12, 2009 - 12:41 ET by KarmaThe "don't ask, don't tell" policy doesn't work. Not even for Lincoln.
No representation, without taxation!
Sheer Stupidity
February 12, 2009 - 13:04 ET by jdubyaSo now they are attempting to rewrite history?
Figures a lefty Dem would start stating things about a Republican who cannot defend himself during the interview. And in this case, it happens to be a senior citizen, departed. What a stupid interview.
Regarding the Lincoln was gay comment, I hope this guy stops his mercury rubs on his pelt, he is already mad in the head.
"Education"
February 12, 2009 - 13:20 ET by iveseenitallIn a more serious vein, how sad that this clown is a university "professor". People are paying their hard-earned money to meet the tuition for their children to listen to this pap. On so many levels, this story demonstrates how pathetic "education" has become. First, who cares about Lincoln's sexual orientation? Second, is this what this guy thinks is important about American history? Or is this his personal fantasy? Third, why don't these teachers teach things that are important?---I could go on.
American education is in the toilet to the detriment of our future. Schools are replete with incompetent teachers and administrators. Outrageous (and illegal) behavior on the part of "professionals" is increasing. Millions of students are learning next to nothing. Quantity has replaced quality-- if only 20% of students graduate qualified and educated, it is much better than having 100% graduate with worthless diplomas. The "stimulus" bill is giving billions to "special" education. IMO, too many students are labled "special education", under false pretences. And what about the mainstream? Nothing for them? Again, I could go on.
Suffice to say, the infection which is American public education has been left to fester much too long. It has gangrened. Unfortunately, Barry's lofty words and OUR money will not fix what is one of the worst problems America faces today --schools which produce ignorance masked as "education". We're in deep soup, folks.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Does this mean...
February 12, 2009 - 13:06 ET by Mother...that the big "O" is a butt pirate too?
If I were married to bull-dog faced Michelle I'd probably turn gay as well. -NOT that the girly man zero is any great catch with his glistening man boobs and chicken legs. hehe
Oh, some people like to
February 12, 2009 - 13:07 ET by Chris NormanOh, some people like to think that everyone and their brothers are closeted gays...
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
It's called the destruction
February 12, 2009 - 13:10 ET by mostlymoderateIt's called the destruction of America. Eliminate any morality in the nation, then disparage our history and meaning, next attack free enterprise and before you know it: "Your Back In The USSR". The MSM wants an immoral, unarmed, gay, socialist nation that hates Christianity.
The scary thing is I am not kidding. This is how I feel about NBC, ABC, CBS and most other MSM including Hollywood in general.
All I know is that Lincoln was a Republican- No Donkey
February 12, 2009 - 13:22 ET by lareeObama’s celebrating Lincoln’s birthday today, he knows that Lincoln was a Republican right? Who really benefits from Lincoln's legacy?
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/02/buffalo-soldiers-fort-missoula-montana.html
"JEFFREY SAMMONS [NAU
February 12, 2009 - 13:25 ET by Carl Kolchak"JEFFREY SAMMONS [NAU HISTORY PROFESSOR]: So many people believe now that Lincoln actually took action to end slavery, really his action was to restore the Union. If he had to free none of the slaves to achieve that objective, he would."
That would be correct until the Battle of Antietam or Sharpsburg. Once he issued the Emancipation Proclamation it altered any assistance the South would get from Europe. Had the South been victorious at Antietam they may have received assistance from France and Great Britain which would have greatly influenced their chances.
Also, Lincoln's words back then probably weren't much different than any other politician at that time. Also like many other people in history his views seem to have changed later. Afterall, he was assasinated for his actions, so he was making other people mad but what he did. He also won the Civil War, to the dismay of the Copperheads who in my opinion are very similar to people nowadays in the media.
Whether I am gay or not, is not important--
February 12, 2009 - 14:21 ET by misterbillWhether I am gay or not, is not important-- I am just so disappointed that I have my mother's thighs_____alas!!
LAUREL AND HARDY SLEPT IN THE SAME BED TOO
February 12, 2009 - 14:34 ET by political mavenSo did my brothers and me when we had guests over. These perverts can not separate "sleep" from "sex".
They are obsessed with it...country is going down the tubes and these scum are pulling it down.
With regard to Rodriguez, I
February 12, 2009 - 14:46 ET by HockeyKidWith regard to Rodriguez, I guess the question of how a human being can continue to breathe without a brain will remain a mystery.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Julie Chen Demonstrates Her Job Security, Part 38:
February 12, 2009 - 15:14 ET by L.N. SmitheeFor those that aren't aware -- four years ago, 34-year-old Julie Chen married 56-year-old Les Moonves, President and CEO of CBS Corporation. No matter what she does, she's got a job at CBS as long as she wants one ... or, more accurately, as long as he wants her.
"Well, I've got nothing against the press...they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true..." -- Joe Jackson, "Sunday Papers"
EXTRA EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!
February 12, 2009 - 15:30 ET by HelenSChe was gay! That's right, I said it!
And in case anyone cares, inns, hotels, whatever you want to call them, used to put guests in rooms as long as they could pack them into the beds and if the people didn't know each other or wished for private accommodations, then too bad (or pay up!) because if there were only two guest rooms and seven or eight travellers showed up, then they shared a bed as long as they could fit in or they slept on the floor.
Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."
I realize that the half of
February 12, 2009 - 15:34 ET by HelenSI realize that the half of the Hollywood population that are already infatuated with this poncy little puke will be all disappointed (or inspired to fantasize about having had the chance to reform him) but at least I opened up the fantasies to the rest of Hollywood and the libs who live vicariously through them.
I am ALL about being fair!
Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."
→ Che? Gay?
February 12, 2009 - 15:34 ET by Cool ArrowYes, I believe he was. His dying words were "I hate to leave my friend's behind.
One of his more notable quotes, I believe.
Me - "The libs/dems of
February 12, 2009 - 15:39 ET by HelenS(visualize an animated little emoticon lying here laughing. It worked in the copy/paste but didn't show up when I posted the comment. :o)
Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."
→ Here's proof
February 12, 2009 - 15:39 ET by Cool ArrowI found it on the Internet, so it must be true.
Well there you have it!
February 12, 2009 - 15:41 ET by HelenSWell there you have it! :o)
Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."
i wonder what happened to
February 12, 2009 - 15:43 ET by larry on LIthe guy that claimed he had a sexual incounter with "0" in the back of a limo? have they found his corpse yet?
He is correct about one
February 12, 2009 - 15:57 ET by SlicksterHe is correct about one thing niether Linclon or Obama never really gave a damn about negroes, they were just politcal props.
Was FDR gay,
February 12, 2009 - 16:00 ET by 10ksnookerI think so ...
Why is it always the PRAVDA media that starts this crap?
BTW: Lincoln's wife's name was Mary Todd Lincoln. People say she was beautiful and graceful, and met Lincoln before he was president!
Mary Todd
February 12, 2009 - 16:07 ET by misterbillThe few pictures I have seen of her were not very attractive.
~In all fairness
February 12, 2009 - 17:06 ET by choselife3xNeither was her husband. :-O
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
abe and mary
February 12, 2009 - 17:15 ET by misterbillTrue - I have little to talk about myself, but I also thought Abe appeared to be sort of gawky in a lot of his pics. How much is due to the technology of the time and how much to him-I don't know. ( I was too busy to go see him in person.) I thought he looked better without the beard, but that's just one man's opinion.
Abe and mary-my opinion
February 12, 2009 - 17:17 ET by sherylsimsHaving seen other pictures of people from that era, I would venture to guess that they were what passed for pretty hot looking.
Many of--
February 12, 2009 - 17:23 ET by misterbillMany of the female journalists of the time wrote that they had erotic dreams about Abe.
Sorry, I couldn't resist after reading the latest about some ladies and their Obamagasms.
I confess
February 12, 2009 - 17:27 ET by sherylsimsSometimes so do I.
~Sheryl!
February 12, 2009 - 17:25 ET by choselife3xROFL!!!
I burst out laughing and woke the baby up after I'd just spent 15 minutes rocking him to sleep!
(It's okay, he went right back to sleep)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Sheryl
February 13, 2009 - 02:46 ET by thebutlerdiditA plus funny on that one! Seriously though, I would rather have sex with Lincoln, or Lincoln's corpse, in a Lincoln, instead of duh1. The man wouldn't be sexy if he was a flag-waving Republican. I never thought I'd say someone made Karl Rove look appealing to me, but he does.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
She's RIGHT About Lincoln Not Believing in Black Equality
February 12, 2009 - 16:13 ET by L.N. SmitheeThat is actually 100% true. Despite the fact that former slave and legendary abolitionist, publisher, and lecturer Frederick Douglass campaigned on Lincoln's behalf, Abe didn't advocate equality of the races; he would only go as far as assigning black people human decency (which was more than Democrats were willing to do).
This is from the transcript of Lincoln's opening remarks from the fourth of his debates with Senator Stephen Douglas on September 18, 1858 (crowd reaction is bracketed, bold mine):
Obama has capitalized on the common misperception of Lincoln as someone who would have approved of his candidacy and election. In fact, there's no indication that Lincoln would have approved of 1) Obama being in Washington as a legislator, 2) Obama having voting rights, or even 3) Obama's father's marriage to a white woman.
"Well, I've got nothing against the press...they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true..." -- Joe Jackson, "Sunday Papers"
Black Equality
February 13, 2009 - 09:13 ET by Sergeant ROCK"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the
Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the
Union without freeing any slave, I would do it" - Lincoln
Letter to Horace
Greeley on Aug. 22, 1862
"I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I strongly favor colonization." - Lincoln
Message to Congress Dec 1, 1862
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
There is one huge difference between Obama and Lincoln
February 12, 2009 - 16:19 ET by general companyLincoln was a Republican, and he was honest!!
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Re: Lincoln's Sexuality
February 12, 2009 - 17:16 ET by pawtampapawtampa
I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but I believe from what I have read of history, many people of the same sex shared beds simply because there weren't enough beds to go around for people with very little money. In fact, I have read that it was common for complete strangers to share rooms and beds when they stopped at roadside inns, yet I don't think we can assume there was rampant homosexuality at the time. It's just possible that in the days before central heat and Motel 6 they just wanted a warm place to sleep.
Allow me to follow the
February 12, 2009 - 17:23 ET by RR GOPAllow me to follow the logic here...ahem.
Obama thinks he's the Great Emancipator reincarnated, so that means Lincoln's cool, therefore Lincoln must have been gay, or at least bi. I predict a future guest hypothesizing that both FDR and JFK were gay, too.
Now, if one looks at either Bush or Nixon, or Coolidge, they sucked so therefore they had to be straight.
Got it!
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
And Beethoven was black...
February 12, 2009 - 18:04 ET by wyogator...at least, that is what I learned in a diversity training class put on by my one-time corporate bosses.
I had a boss who had immigrated from South Africa...he was caucasian and had that British sounding accent. I was going to call him African American, but he didn't have much of a sense of humor, so I didn't
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well it looks like the msm
February 12, 2009 - 18:36 ET by right of waywell it looks like the msm will attack any republican, live or dead, anytime anywhere. so if abe was gay, then it's ok to be gay, right?
You know, there's more
February 12, 2009 - 19:01 ET by Davester65You know, there's more evidence that Lincolns predecessor, James Buchanan was light in the loafers than there is for Lincoln being gay. I guess the revisionists only want to bring the great presidents down to their level, not the failures.
Do these folks have no
February 12, 2009 - 19:05 ET by msh1973Do these folks have no shame? This moron wouldn't be continuing this lie if Lincoln had not been a Republican.
Lincoln= Overrated
February 12, 2009 - 19:20 ET by SterlingWell Ms. Rodriguez may be on to something. I myself am a history expert and I can say that Lincoln was a sexual deviant. May I add that I do not think homosexuality is a deviant trait. As a young man Lincoln would go to camps and frequent prostitutes, after one of these encounters he contracted syphilis. Yet, he still continued to frequent hookers.
Let us be brutally honest, Lincoln was not that great of a President. After all, he did preside over a civil war- he did not advert it.
Sterling-what history is it you are an expert on?
February 13, 2009 - 02:51 ET by thebutlerdiditI seemed to have missed that "Lincoln was not that great of a President" part in my studies. Thank goodness you are here to share your knowledge with the rest of us!
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
tbdi...
February 13, 2009 - 03:16 ET by JerThere is a degree of historical basis for the facts which Sterling recites in his post [although I believe his evidence is drastically overstated]. His opinions of Lincoln's character and presidency are sheer nonsense.
Jer
Umm...
February 13, 2009 - 12:08 ET by hierogrammateDeviant (dē′vē ənt)
adjective
Diverging/deviating from usual or accepted standards,
especially in social or sexual behaviour.
(Less than) Sterling opinions:
*reads OED definition again, then reads Sterling's opinion once more* I believe my doublethink detector has just exploded.
Sterling = Overrated...in
February 13, 2009 - 16:20 ET by bassndudeSterling = Overrated...in his own mind. Some history expert you are. Your so deluded you equate visiting a prostitutes as deviant but not homosexuality? Why do you think it was refered to, for decades, as "queer"?
Your expertise is a figment of your imagination. Why, visiting prostitutes, back in those days was a common practice. Thats why the "houses" were in every town.
You have demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of history. Your moron status is intact tho.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Gay Abe...
February 12, 2009 - 19:43 ET by JerWhat I find most interesting about this story is that Mr. Drennan can headline it CBS "Early Show" Claims Abraham Lincloln Was Gay" when the applicable statement of Professor Sammons was materially different [and also accurate].
Jer
Mary Todd Lincoln sure made
February 12, 2009 - 19:58 ET by Roger the ShrubberMary Todd Lincoln sure made a great beard!
WTF?
February 12, 2009 - 20:36 ET by MightyMouthSuppose Abe had to sleep in the barn for four years. Would that make him a goat tapper!?
What is wrong with these people? One of our most reveared presidents gay? Why? Even if he was, why do we need to know?
sheessssh!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I heard that he and U.S.
February 13, 2009 - 09:20 ET by Roger the ShrubberI heard that he and U.S. Grant were passionate lovers, too.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Oh, and John Wilkes Booth was actually a jilted lover of Abe's, which is why he killed him. Booth WAS an actor after all, right? Think Billy Zane's character from Tombstone...
It all makes sense now, doesn't it?
Let's see, Lincoln was gay,
February 12, 2009 - 23:57 ET by nadadhimmiLet's see, Lincoln was gay, Washington, Jefferson was gay except to screw Nancy Hemmings the black slave, James Dean, Einstein, Mickey Mantle, Robert Mitchum, etc, etc, etc, What happens is: A gay writer is so undisciplined and unorganized in his thoughts and actions, he accuses a man he wishes he could have had sex with, of being gay, to make public a sick fantasy, and besmirch a good man.
Abe Lincoln (Linksy) was Jewish Too!
February 13, 2009 - 03:54 ET by Mencken-LiteFew historiuans uncovered the name change when Abe Lincoln's parents came to the US through Ellis Island in New York. They were the Linsky family and changed their name in order to assimilate faster. Mary Lincoln kept a Kosher home. When they were in the White House Abe hired a Shabbas Goy to turn the lights on and off on Shabbos. The Linksy family created the Hebrew National Hot Dog Company in Kentucky which was bought by Merrill Lynch in 1875.
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Wait. Wasn't he Abelardo Lino from Guadalajara?
February 13, 2009 - 11:53 ET by hierogrammateWait. Wasn't he really Abelardo Lino, an illegal immigrant from Guadalajara, Mexico, who let his beard grow and changed his name to avoid deportation, and later got an associate degree from the Banknote Modeling Institute? I'm so confused now...
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The left is about destroying American icons.
February 13, 2009 - 07:22 ET by Blogger Guy00001The left can't let us have admiration for Lincoln. No. They have to destroy him as an icon. Can't let us have any pride in being American. No. Rip him apart.
The left is expert at destroying good people. They've done enough damage destroying living people. Leave the dead alone.
Lincoln was a Republican
February 13, 2009 - 09:50 ET by LionKingDo you need any further explanation for their degrading him?
His sexuality is not a mystery
February 13, 2009 - 09:48 ET by Lord ErondHe was married, he had children. If he dabbled in the occasional homosexual relationship, we'll never know, it will never be proven. Until then, the man was a known and avowed heterosexual. I'm sick of moron libs trying to re-write history.
"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-
They try to destroy every cherished historical figure!
February 13, 2009 - 10:33 ET by CrusaderPatriotLincoln was gay and he hated blacks! Please! They presume he was gay because he shared a bed with some guy back then. What these idiots don't care to understand that this was not uncommon back then as a good bed was rare. I have a reproduction of a sign from Tombstone Arizona showing the cost of sleeping in a bed and on the bottom after giving the costs it said, no more than 10 people per bed. Not only did you bed down with other guys in those days, but often it was with complete strangers! Homosexuality probably never entered their minds because they were still in the closet back then. Gay used to be a perfectly decent word, but the sodomites co-opted it because they want to portray that they're "happy". Liberalism is a mental disorder and it's the cause of every problem we face in this country!
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Oh, for pete's sake
February 13, 2009 - 16:59 ET by cheefloYou're right -- this was so common that it's ridiculous that the question is even posed, especially by a so-called historian who demonstrates an utter lack of understanding for the period.
Homosexuals define themselves narrowly by their sexual proclivities and project their obsession onto everyone else. And they wonder why people are hostile to the idea of gay boy scout leaders or open homosexuality in the military.
Homophiles..
February 15, 2009 - 09:48 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. have been engaged in this homo-history for a while now. It's an attempt to ease acceptance by making everyone of historical significance 'gay'. And that the fact that such a person was supposedly 'gay' is the important thing to remember.
Utter nonsense.
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Revisionist History
February 13, 2009 - 16:06 ET by NorthCoaster"Everything You Know is Wrong"
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