On Tuesday’s CBS Early Show, co-host Harry Smith teased a segment on Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps caught smoking marijuana: "Also, so far there seems to be little fallout for Michael Phelps following publication of that photo showing him inhaling -- what looks like to be inhaling from a marijuana pipe. Should there be outrage?" When he later introduced the segment, Smith argued: "So far there hasn't been much negative reaction to the photo showing Olympic gold medalist Michael Phelps smoking what appeared to be marijuana. A few years ago, it might have ruined his career. Maybe it's a sign of changing attitudes."
Correspondent Randall Pinkston reported on Americans’ "changing attitudes": "The seeming lack of outrage may reflect America's changing attitudes towards marijuana...While a majority of Americans still oppose legalization, a new CBS News poll shows a big swing in opinion in recent years. 27 percent supported legalization in 1979. 41 percent support it today." Pinkston even touted the drug use of Democratic presidents as proof: "Even attitudes from the nation's leaders have changed. While Bill Clinton famously said he tried it but never inhaled, President Obama has acknowledged he did try marijuana while in high school."
Following Pinkston’s report, Smith discussed the issue with Canadian Olympic snowboarder Ross Rebagliati, who nearly lost his gold medal at the 1998 winter Olympics for testing positive for marijuana, and Joe Califano, chairman of the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. Smith asked Rebagliati about Phelps: "Some people are saying ‘give the guy a break. My God, the guy has dedicated his entire life to sport.’ You know, should he be crucified for a moment's -- perhaps a moment's lapse in judgment?" Rebagliati argued: "You know, I think that, you know, the societies are coming together right now and realizing, you know, that marijuana is not a dangerous substance when you compare it to the likes of alcohol and smoking tobacco...Honestly, it's like a -- it's the lesser of the two evils."
Califano offered a voice of opposition: "It's hardly the lesser of two evils. Marijuana is a dangerous drug. It's bad for kids. Alcohol is also bad for kids, there's no question about it." Earlier, Califano explained: "He [Phelps] is a model for kids. And this whole issue of marijuana really should be looked at in terms of kids, teenagers...There are more kids in the United States in treatment for marijuana dependence than there are for alcohol dependence. And we know a lot more about its impact on the developing brain...So I think it's important for Phelps to indicate kids shouldn't do it. He's essentially said that...But I'd like to hear him say it a little louder and a little more firmly."
Rebagliati even praised the health benefits of marijuana compared to alcohol: "...as an athlete, you have to seriously consider whether you're going to consume alcohol. You know, which is extra calories to your diet, its going to make, you know, you're not going to feel that great in the morning, you know. It's [marijuana is] fat free, too."
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
7:30AM TEASE:
HARRY SMITH: Also, so far there seems to be little fallout for Michael Phelps following publication of that photo showing him inhaling -- what looks like to be inhaling from a marijuana pipe. Should there be outrage? We'll ask an Olympic medalist who nearly lost his gold medal after testing positive for marijuana.
7:31AM SEGMENT:
HARRY SMITH: So far there hasn't been much negative reaction to the photo showing Olympic gold medalist Michael Phelps smoking what appeared to be marijuana. A few years ago, it might have ruined his career. Maybe it's a sign of changing attitudes. CBS News correspondent Randall Pinkston has more.
RANDALL PINKSTON: With gleaming gold medals, Michael Phelps' picture adorned swimming pools around the country. But this picture of Phelps smoking marijuana has fans questioning his judgment.
KATIE HUGHES: He has like 8 gold medals, you'd think he'd be smarter about, like, the decisions he's making.
PINKSTON: John Collins has coached three swimmers who later became Olympic champions. Would you kick him off your team?
JOHN COLLINS: I don't think so. I mean, I think Michael is someone who -- who has a lot of qualities that are worth saving.
PINKSTON: And this parent does not condemn Phelps.
JOSIE COLE: Part of life is making choices. Sometimes we make the right choice. Sometimes we make the wrong choice. He's going to learn from this choice.
PINKSTON: The seeming lack of outrage may reflect America's changing attitudes towards marijuana. An estimated $30 billion industry in the United States alone. While a majority of Americans still oppose legalization, a new CBS News poll shows a big swing in opinion in recent years. 27 percent supported legalization in 1979. 41 percent support it today. Even attitudes from the nation's leaders have changed. While Bill Clinton famously said he tried it but never inhaled, President Obama has acknowledged he did try marijuana while in high school. Phelps, who hopes to earn $100 million in endorsements, will soon learn whether enough has changed for the continued support of his sponsors and fans. Randall Pinkston, CBS News, New York.
SMITH: Joining us from Vancouver is Ross Rebagliati, a 1998 Olympic snowboarder who almost lost his gold medal after testing positive for marijuana. We're also joined by Joe Califano, chairman of the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. Good morning to you both.
JOE CALIFANO: Morning, Harry.
ROSS REBAGLIATI: Good morning.
SMITH: Ross, I want to go back to your story and just help refresh people's minds. You win the gold. After the gold medal has already been awarded, you test positive for marijuana. What happens?
REBAGLIATI: Exactly. I tested positive for marijuana. They basically stripped my medal from me right away. And I went through two appeals, which I lost both of, before I went the court of arbitration in which they just reviewed the list of banned substances and found marijuana not to be on that list and then quickly reinstated me.
SMITH: So you got your gold medal back. What is your reaction to the -- to what has happened to Michael Phelps in the last couple of days?
REBAGLIATI: Well, you know, I think Michael's experience -- you know, I felt like I could understand, you know, what he was going through. It was definitely something that would be traumatic for him to have to experience. And you know, he'd be reviewing, you know, some of his, you know, thought processes, and you know maybe he could, you know, make some better decisions in the future. But, you know, I definitely related with the idea that, you know, maybe some decisions weren't made, you know, correctly in the past. And you can, you know, look forward to changing and being a better person in the future.
SMITH: Joe, your reaction to this because this -- there was no more greater sort of iconic sports figure in America, maybe even around the world, in the last year or two, than Phelps. This picture gets published. And there's this kind of a collective shrug around the country.
CALIFANO: Well, I think there is something of a shrug, but I do think, you know, as even -- that he himself issued a statement saying that he thought he -- that his conduct was not appropriate. I think the point is, he is an iconic sports figure. He is a model for kids. And this whole issue of marijuana really should be looked at in terms of kids, teenagers. Because most people will never smoke pot if they don't smoke it while they're teens.
SMITH: If they make it to 21 and don't smoke, the chances of them smoking is almost nonexistent, right?
CALIFANO: Exactly. And, you know, we know today's marijuana is much stronger than the marijuana that parents smoked in the '70s. There are more kids in the United States in treatment for marijuana dependence than there are for alcohol dependence. And we know a lot more about its impact on the developing brain, as we learn more and more about neurology here. So I think it's important for Phelps to indicate kids shouldn't do it. He's essentially said that.
SMITH: Right.
CALIFANO: But I'd like to hear him say it a little louder and a little more firmly.
SMITH: Ross, let me ask you this. As an Olympic athlete, you know what it takes in terms of the dedication and everything else in order to get yourself to the top of that podium. This is a guy who's done it in a way no one has ever done it before. Some people are saying 'give the guy a break. My God, the guy has dedicated his entire life to sport.' You know, should he be crucified for a moment's -- perhaps a moment's lapse in judgment?
REBAGLIATI: Absolutely not. You know, Michael Phelps is a great person in the pool and out of the pool. You know, I think that, you know, the societies are coming together right now and realizing, you know, that marijuana is not a dangerous substance when you compare it to the likes of alcohol and smoking tobacco. Not to mention that, but as an athlete, you have to seriously consider whether you're going to consume alcohol. You know, which is extra calories to your diet, its going to make, you know, you're not going to feel that great in the morning, you know. It's fat free, too. You know, you've got to consider these things.
[Laughter]
SMITH: Alright.
REBAGLIATI: Honestly, it's like a -- it's the lesser of the two evils.
SMITH: Alright, very quickly, Joe.
CALIFANO: It's hardly the lesser of two evils. Marijuana is a dangerous drug. It's bad for kids. Alcohol is also bad for kids, there's no question about it.
SMITH: Alright. Joe, Ross, thanks so much for taking the time to join us this morning. Do appreciate it.
REBAGLIATI: My pleasure.
SMITH: Good to see you.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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Actually
February 3, 2009 - 13:09 ET by oldmanateedidn't BHO claim to have tried cocaine in his book?
Look, if tax cheats in cabinet positions and murderers in the senate don't matter to the masses, maybe Phelps is just starting a career in politics.
So then
February 3, 2009 - 13:08 ET by cvgbuckeyeSo then changing societal attitudes and such, are the determining factors of what is moral or not.
Well then, I believe that the Bible is much in need of editing, don't you? Or maybe slavery was OK in the past 2 centuries and we need to squelch any more criticism of it.
Ah, how about honor killings in the muslim societies? Seems OK to them. Who are we.
Oh;;;;;;;maybe we just want to pick and choose; according to our own weaknesses, as to what is modernly acceptable or not. Lets just call it a convenience of moral terpitude. Yes, that will work, won't it.
One man's drug is another man's nose candy!
Bible talk holds no weight here
February 4, 2009 - 13:28 ET by AshleeThere is no mention of marijuana in the bible as being 'wrong' or a 'sin.' If anything, it's justified in the sense that it is said, not in so many words, that if it comes from the earth naturally, it is a gift from God to man.
Some moral conundrums I can understand being unmoving with, but this is not of ethics or of biblical decree, its about the few shrieking masses who demand that the world must be behaved exactly as they are. I understand if you abstain from activities such as drinking or smoking pot that it is difficult to turn such things down at times, but that doesn't mean they have the right to say NO ONE has the right to choose to do that simply because they can't. I know many people mortified of rollercoasters, I don't see them picketing the theme parks. And before that analogy gets attacked, it is fitting. Most anti-marijuana activists are people who are so devoid of any sense of joy that they seek to rob that joy of others too.
The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.
→ Not surprising Ashlee
February 4, 2009 - 13:46 ET by Cool ArrowThe word we understand as "sorcery" is a translation of the Greek "pharmakia".
Not trying to be snarky...
February 4, 2009 - 13:51 ET by AshleeJust that I'm confused what point you're trying to make. Is it that sorcery is considered part of the whole 'straying of faith' and that somehow you're correlating pharmecuticals as sin?
Somehow I think Im still miles off on this, thats the only thing I could deduce though from the post lol. Feel free to elaborate, I'm kinda confused currently :-P
The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.
→ Ashlee
February 4, 2009 - 16:18 ET by Cool ArrowI thought the word "pharmakia" was close enough to "pharmacy".
Drugs are addressed in the Bible, though I wonder why you even brought it up.
Believing you capable of making such an obvious connection was my mistake.
Perhaps I can help.
February 4, 2009 - 16:53 ET by Mike BrattonIn the Bible, we are taught not to take substances into our bodies for the sake of altering our perception or mental state. While alcohol is the primary example cited, by extension recreational marijuana use is likewise prohibited.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
No argument there Mike
February 4, 2009 - 17:01 ET by AshleeWhile I personally view it differently, I agree, if you are going by 'The Word' then yes, pot woulfd be an unsavory practice, however, so would alcohol, and if we're playing fair, they should have equal consequence in its usage. That was my point. As for cool, I wish you wouldn't have to be snarky and make it sound like I'm 'too dumb' to get it. Your post was short and left alot to assumption. I don't like to assume when I'm unsure and I admitted your point, initially, was lost on me, but that indeed I thought your coorelation was what you elaborated it as.
That said, if we're playing fair, again, any and all 'pharmeceutical' advances would equally be considered 'sorcery' or otherwise interfering with God's will over human life and should also be renounced. I'm not trying to reconcile pot smoking with religiously held beliefs, but someone brought up the aspect of religion and biblical law, and I made the point that not only is it specifically detailed that pot is evil, but also that if we are to be totally fair, if any mind altering substance is to be viewed as sin, then we'd have to can the entire pharmeceutical business and just pray that God keeps us healthy on faith alone.
In the future tho, it'd be really cool if, ya know, maybe showed me the respect I show you. We may disagree often on some issues but its no need to assume I'm 'dumb' or 'too dense' to get a point that is poorly detailed to most. Thanks.
The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.
My apologies.
February 5, 2009 - 01:51 ET by Mike BrattonAshlee, in no way was I trying to suggest you were dumb or dense, and I apologize for not being more clear. I hope you will forgive me.
Let me address something from your most recent post while I'm here--the equivocation of alcohol, medicine, and other drugs. The problems with chemicals is when they're ingested to alter perception; this is what the Bible refers to when it talks about sorcery, since such drugs can be, and are, used in such activities.
There are no Biblical prohibitions against the use of alcohol in moderation, or against the use of medicines; as a matter of record, for example, the apostle Paul advises Timothy to consume "a little wine for thy stomach's sake." Also, we are told in Proverbs that a merry heart is beneficial, "like a medicine." Consequently, they cannot be lumped in with chemicals taken to change perception, or for other "recreational" reasons.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
No worries Mike
February 5, 2009 - 09:37 ET by AshleeI thought you were quite respectful to be honest. I guess I should have better explained, it was Cool Arrow who made the snarky comment, I didn't think you were calling me dumb :-P
As for your point, I really can't argue the logic. The logic is sound, I guess I just view differently the lenience of which God might have for something such as marijuana, as I said, I'll admit I've done it before, and much like alcohol, the level of intoxication depends upon the amount you intake. Obviously it still has an effect, but alcohol does too to some (such as the case of me and my mother I detailed earlier, the World's worst 'lightweights' lol)
I was merely making the case that, alcohol in moderation has some benefits, but so does marijuana. However, if approaching it ethically from a biblical standpoint, then, no, I cannot actually disagree with your point. I personally don't see it as being so strict as to what you detailed, but then again, we all have our own feelings on such issues. Thanks again though for always being polite and really nice....even if we do disagree because you are wrong! :-P (jk of course!)
The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.
Good evening Ashlee
February 4, 2009 - 16:36 ET by cocodrieEverything from the earth being a gift from God was true of the garden of Eden. But when Adam sinned God told him that because of his sin "cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life. Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee."
God bless you.
Jesus Loves You
The President admitted he "tried" it in high school?
February 3, 2009 - 13:13 ET by thebutlerdidit1) So it's like Clinton? BJ's became ok, because the President has done it?
2) And seriously, Obama tried it? How big of a joke is that? Is that code for stoner?
I don't want to crucify Phelps if this is a one time thing, but I saw the pic, he seemed to have some intimate bong knowledge. IOW, he wasn't a newbie. I think he will pay for this in dinero. Especially with this economy. Stupid move.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
Obama supporter?
February 3, 2009 - 13:19 ET by Rackiescroll down
If he was an Obomination
February 3, 2009 - 16:39 ET by Tim the EnchanterIf he was an Obomination supporter, it looks like he just blew his brains out!
I think "outrage" is a
February 3, 2009 - 13:24 ET by HelenSI think "outrage" is a waste of time and energy and is ultimately hypocritical.
What is needed is for morals and standards and right/wrong to be clarified. Kind of like President Bush had as his guide to life and decisions.
But to blow a gasket over Phelps is a bit too personally focused and situational - either condone the behavior, carte blanche, or don't. But to decide to get outraged on a case-by-case basis determined by a person's recognizability-quotient is a sorry way to operate.
Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."
Hmm
February 3, 2009 - 16:17 ET by USAnumber1Are you comparing Obama to the Devil?
Obama 'tried' marijuana.
February 3, 2009 - 13:31 ET by KevroyObama 'tried' marijuana. Obama 'tried cocaine'. Funny how the left wing media tried to crucify Bush over mere unfounded allegations that he was a 'coke head'.
Maybe Bush should have just 'tried' it. Then they would have embraced him, right?
You Morons
February 3, 2009 - 15:33 ET by guttermouthStay on topic. What does Phelps have to do with Obama? Who friggin' cares about this? I'm guessing all you whiners just happen to live in parts of the country where you can't get good weed. Smoke up Phelpsy, you've got my respect.
Very rude, gutter
February 3, 2009 - 15:37 ET by BlondeKeep it up.
Posts like that will get you banned....and we could do with one less guttermouth here.
Blonde
February 3, 2009 - 16:19 ET by USAnumber1I hope you say the same thing when people say those things about liberals. Although I'm guessing you don't/
Well USA1
February 3, 2009 - 16:25 ET by BlondeI would say the same thing to any poster who addressed the rest of the community here as "You Morons".
Since you claim to be new here, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are clueless as to the decorum we attempt to maintain around here.
Any other questions?
Nice little back handed insult there from you, too.
P.S. I don't believe you about having been banned here after two days, a year and a half ago, nor that you forgot your user name.
Blonde... "You Morons" is a
February 3, 2009 - 16:42 ET by Tim the EnchanterBlonde... "You Morons" is a term of endearment over at AoSHQ- however, it looks as though USA1 didn't mean it as such.
Tim
February 3, 2009 - 16:47 ET by BlondeWhat's AoSHQ?
I'm thinking some sort of lib site.
I just love the trolls & n00bs showing up here, trying to tell me how to post.....I was in a fairly good mood this afternoon, so I refrained from kicking his silly butt all over the boards.
§ Blonde!!! Save me a Troll!!! I WANT LEFT OVERS!!
February 3, 2009 - 17:07 ET by TheSterSter wants to PLAY!!!!
Hehehehehe...Let me at 'em!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Blonde
February 3, 2009 - 17:14 ET by choselife3xIt ain't healthy to suppress like that...Obama forbid you should develop an ulcer or some such. Let your freak flag fly, girlfriend!
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Blonde
February 4, 2009 - 09:21 ET by thebutlerdiditAoSHQ is a rightie site. And a pretty funny one. It stands for Ace of Spades Head Quarters. The posters there call themselves morons, and some are, lol, like the posters at Little Green Footballs call themselves Lizards. But, yeah, Guttertrash didn't mean it in the nice and chummy way. Just an assy way. I love how we are some ignorant backward people, just because we don't smoke weed. I tried weed in high school. Didn't care for it, grew up, and became a responsible adult. No room for the chronic in the real world. Some of us have real jobs, ones that don't revolve around pretend and make believe.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
Thanks di.
February 4, 2009 - 09:34 ET by BlondeI figured out the HQ part...but AoS...I've seen the site, some posters here link to it occasionally.
As for the rest...ish!
ish?
February 4, 2009 - 09:45 ET by thebutlerdiditI think you got me on that one, girl. LOL. I know you work a real job, being stoned at work probably wouldn't work too good for you, either, would it? I guess we all should work in tv, like Gutter.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
Nicely done
February 4, 2009 - 12:39 ET by USAnumber1I guess trolls doesn't qualify as calling someone a name in your book. Well played blonde.
Oh and I'm not too concerned about you believing me about being kicked off of here. You're probably right though. I've got nothing but free time to concoct a silly little lie about not being wanted here.
Must get a little boring though agreeing with everyone about everything. Not the best way to learn things.
If the shoe fits, Cinderella
February 4, 2009 - 12:51 ET by BlondeMethinks thee doth protest too much.
Ahem...
February 3, 2009 - 16:46 ET by guttermouthNot that I need to defend myself, but "morons" is directed at every single person on this post who is relating Phelps to Obama. One has nothing to do with the other.
Anyone worried about being banned from this site should talk to a 5 year old. He or she can easily teach you how to set up a new email account. Not exactly rocket science here. Fools. (oops, did I offend again???)
Weak
February 3, 2009 - 16:48 ET by BlondePathetic, actually.
Cracking UP!!
February 3, 2009 - 17:07 ET by choselife3xBlonde, I wish your post weren't RIGHT after mine.....
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
cl3x
February 3, 2009 - 17:10 ET by BlondeYou're probably viewing posts here flat list.
Try threaded list expanded, oldest first. Makes it much easier to keep track.
J.
Once again....
February 3, 2009 - 16:54 ET by choselife3xGutter opens his Mouth and inserts his @ss. Ooh, look away folks, no one should have to see that.
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
How about when your IP
February 4, 2009 - 09:33 ET by Jack BauerHow about when your IP address is blocked? I hope you don't start talking to random 5 year olds in your local mall.
I think you are right Blonde - USA1's story sounds fishy
February 3, 2009 - 16:53 ET by Dee Bunkif he/she forgot their name then how can we know they remember the site?
Plus we've heard no details about the situation or who others involved were.
So true, Dee
February 3, 2009 - 16:58 ET by BlondeI've seen posters banned here for a couple of things.
Excessively violent or over-the-top disgusting posts
Excessive vulgarity
Excessive trolling (most of them...randy, leon, hater, etc.)
And posters who sign up with nasty names (I'll leave it to your imagination) never get approved.
Yeah, Dee....we are correct to throw the BS card on this one.
Hey Blondie
February 3, 2009 - 17:13 ET by guttermouthWhen was the last time you called a coworker a troll? Or a family member? How badly were you beaten? I just wonder, because the whole little troll thing here, which in itself is a nickname only a child would use - I've never heard it outside of this site. Please share some more of your wonderfully inane words of wit.
But I get it. It's the little nickname of this site, and frankly I enjoy hearing it over and over again. I picture these snarky, overweight, pimple-skinned newsies sitting in their basements on hemorrhoid pads high-fiving themselves over yet more more brilliant zinger, while their kids are outside trying to set ants on fire with a magnifying glass in the middle of the street.
Everyone else, I look forward to your name calling.
Listen Gutter
February 3, 2009 - 17:18 ET by BlondeOnly my friends here may call me "Blondie"...and you're no friend of mine.
Well, you are certainly sheltered, Gutter, if you've never heard the term "troll". Here's an assignment for you....look it up.
You can get back to me on this, once you've educated yourself about the term "troll"....and what's expected here from an etiquette standard.
Oh, and just so you know....posting off-topic questions to change the subject off of your own stupidity to something else entirely is considered to be an a-one troll tactic.
Blondie
February 3, 2009 - 17:30 ET by guttermouthoops!
Did I hear something rude?
February 3, 2009 - 17:32 ET by Blonde§Blonde...Can I Play??
February 3, 2009 - 18:00 ET by TheSterThis Gutter Clown is looking for attention...
I'm more than willing to give it to him!!!
HEY GUTTER??? Wanna PLAY??
Bring it ON!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Blondie
February 3, 2009 - 17:43 ET by guttermouth...
guttermouth... Do you
February 3, 2009 - 17:46 ET by Clear thinkerguttermouth...
Do you ever walk the streets late at night?
The Third Jihad
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Awwww
February 3, 2009 - 18:07 ET by guttermouthI do indeed. Don't trolls sleep during the day?
Good, maybe one of us will
February 3, 2009 - 19:58 ET by Clear thinkerGood, maybe one of us will meet up with you someday!
Blonde is family here, and we look out for family.
The Third Jihad
http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/the-third-jihad/
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Why, little Willie Peterson!
February 3, 2009 - 18:02 ET by choselife3xI KNEW that lisp was familiar! Still trying vainly to get Blonde's attention after all these years.....
Hint: pulling her pony tail WON'T make her like you.
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
§ Hello Gutter?? Say hello to Ster!!
February 3, 2009 - 18:11 ET by TheSterYou picked the wrong fight.
Now I will be following you on these boards from now on.
I'll give you the first shot.
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
HAHA
February 4, 2009 - 12:43 ET by USAnumber1something tells me he's not too scared!!
i wonder if you can get a restraining order for blogs
lol indeed!
February 4, 2009 - 13:42 ET by AshleeIts a shame, being that aside from one or two social issues, I agree with most people on this site politically and morally. However, many will drop the conversation to vitrolic attacks of character when their views are challenged or even questioned. Admittedly, Guttermouth was quite rude initially and now seems to be actually living up to the troll mantle because they offer little to no substance after their initial point, which, barring the insult which I could've done with out, did make sense; Obama and Phelps are totally unrelated and its clear many here are just looking for any reason to attack Obama. As I said, he's got enough things about him that matter politically that are flawed and need addressed, and being the libertarian I am, I could care less if he's done cocaine, pot, or whatever; in the privacy of his own home, fine by me, just don't expect a tax payer funded ambulance trip and hospital stay if and when they OD.
I must agree too tho, while guttermouth was quite rude from the get go, it doesn't speak too highly that many, not all, but many seem to derive more joy from attacking people who essentially dont matter due to their lack of substance and respect. I mean, if someone makes a point, and you disagree, I understand the desire to debate. I even understand at times it gets so heated that it may get a *tad* personal. However, as adults, when someone just blatantly is trying to stir the pot, or just be rude, its time to hang up the phone.
I for one have a specific poster here whom I genuinely hoped to debate and talk as adults with over a previous issue, and over time, yes the posts got heated. That said, eventually it devolved into her personally attacking me and offering no substance and after two posts of just basic slams on me, with no regard to the issue discussed, I decided to just let it die with her speaking last. In the case of Guttermouth, this should've been what was done; once he dropped the substance and spread on the insult, just don't even pay them any mind.
However, instead, being the wonderfully mature adult, a specific poster has decided to threaten that 'they will be watching them.'
How insanely Juvenile and absurd. I think many times too many people forget, this place is just a hub of blogs. And we all know the horridly insensitive correlation between fighting online and winning the special olympics...
The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.
'more more brilliant zinger'
February 3, 2009 - 17:21 ET by choselife3xYou called?
Lookit widdle Gutter bang his paccie on his tray and squeal! Momma's gonna wash his widdle mouf out with soap...
Turn away everybody, this ain't gonna be pretty.
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Gutter, I know that with
February 3, 2009 - 17:24 ET by bassndudeGutter, I know that with that towering intellect you tell yourself you have this may be real hard to understand. But troll is not a zingy name of a Guttermouthed grotesque under a bridge. It is a reference to trolling, like trolling for sand bass, or perhaps marlin. Hope that helps you out some. Hate for you to think it means you live under a bridge. No, not at all...it means you post insipid remarks just to get a reaction...talk about your average moron..
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
LOL bass
February 3, 2009 - 17:29 ET by BlondeOne trolls for bass?
Being a salt water angler, I know all about trolling off shore...if I caught something like gutter, I'd toss it back, quick! Wouldn't want anything so vile on my boat.
I agree Blonde...I would
February 3, 2009 - 17:32 ET by bassndudeI agree Blonde...I would cut it up and use it for chum...fish like stinky stuff.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Guttermouth
February 3, 2009 - 17:28 ET by ahusserSo the word troll gets you upset but saying "hey morons" is ok. So if you are so upset about the posts here and how we aren't going along with your program bestowing us with your angry left wing righteousness maybe you should go elsewhere, or take your meds, or get into an anger management program or cut down on the alcohol. But but then again your true motive may be just to enrage, annoy and be disruptive and not discuss anything. Name calling comes in many forms and derision, dismissal and sneering disdain is very close.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. F
....snarky, overweight,
February 3, 2009 - 17:30 ET by bassndude....snarky, overweight, pimple-skinned newsies sitting in their basements on hemorrhoid pads ....
Self portrait?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I know that one!
February 3, 2009 - 17:46 ET by guttermouthI do I do!!! I remember from kindergarten - I believe the game is called (everyone together...)
"I know you are, but what am I"
Good one! Ziiiiiinnnnngggggg...
Speaking of kindergarten..
February 3, 2009 - 17:57 ET by choselife3xGutter reminds me of that little kid who sat in the corner, sucking his thumb. You know, the one that farted just to get people to notice him?
GASP!! OMG! I recognise that overbite; it's little Willie Peterson!
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I get it
February 3, 2009 - 18:26 ET by guttermouthThis site is pro censorship! My posts are being deleted. Troll troll troll, la dee dah dee dah dee dah. Anyone want to reintroduce the marijuana discussion?
I myself am extremely pro-pot (not to be confused, of course, with Pol Pot). Here in sunny Los Angeles we even have stores where you can go and actually BUY pot.
I would like to see Phelps on next month's cover of High Times. I would like the next picture of him to show him actually smoking something, instead of his lips touching the rim of a legal tobacco water bong. I mean, hell, the dude's in South Carolina of all places. If you can't smoke tobacco there, where can you smoke it? Certainly not here in LA anymore.
Willie
February 3, 2009 - 18:38 ET by choselife3xIf this site were pro-censorship you'd have been gone the FIRST time you showed your flabby behind.
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Stay on Topic, Sweetheart
February 3, 2009 - 18:40 ET by guttermouthWe're talking about Marijuana
'we're talking about marijuana'
February 3, 2009 - 18:49 ET by choselife3xLittle Willie Peterson mumbled as he crouched in the corner with his bong.
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
YOU were the one who went
February 7, 2009 - 07:28 ET by bretzysdudeYOU were the one who went off-topic! GET OUT OF HERE!
§ Gutter...Stoned Blogging??
February 3, 2009 - 18:43 ET by TheSterAll my questions about you are answered now.
You Drunk Dial also?
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Oh, Sterile One
February 3, 2009 - 18:50 ET by guttermouthOne can be a supporter without partaking.
But yeah, I partake.
Not at work though. That would be unprofessional. I save the work day for drinking.
Oh, you're trying sooooo hard to pick a fight with me!
§Congrats Gutter!!! U got a Fan Club!!
February 3, 2009 - 18:56 ET by TheSter...and I elect myself as President!!
I guess there are no Drug tests to join?
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Ye, Sterile One
February 3, 2009 - 19:01 ET by guttermouthPlease see below for an educated response.
§ Ye, Infected One...
February 3, 2009 - 19:12 ET by TheSterI see educated responses on this topic...
Your childish Hacks are not one of them.
Stay on topic...You will have no Issues here...
If you want to attack posters here...You can play with me!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Is that why you're on
February 7, 2009 - 07:30 ET by bretzysdudeIs that why you're on welfare? Kept drinking on the job?
Just a tip for you, mouth.
February 3, 2009 - 18:47 ET by Mike BrattonGrownups post here. We like it, because we grownups like to talk about ideas--and because we can do so (generally) without tossing bongs... er, bombs at one another.
To paraphrase the great philosopher Cochran, "If you want to participate, you must first elevate."
The level of your discourse, that is.
Marijuana is an illegal drug. In South Carolina, where Phelps "possessed" his weed, it's a $200 fine and thirty days for the first offense. Since Phelps was "possessing" a pipe as well, that can get him a $500 fine for the paraphernalia.
I understand it's a drop in the bucket for him, but Phelps should be fully prosecuted.
Now, if you can muster a more mature response than the type you've been producing, that would be great.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Dear Mr Grownup
February 3, 2009 - 18:59 ET by guttermouthFirst, thank you for an educated response. While I disagree with your views entirely, I respect your opinion. You've also managed a response without using the word troll, or any other insult for that matter.
Now, there is no marijuana visible in the photo.
The bong is legally sold as a tobacco product. It's only an illegal item if an illegal drug is smoked with it. For all you and I know, there's tobacco in it, and that is perfectly legal. I agree, it's a stretch. But you can't possibly think that people should be prosecuted for every minor offense. Unless of course you think all 3 of our last 3 presidents should be prosecuted for their admitted drug use. Let's put a dollar amount on prosecuting and incarcerating Michael Phelps for 30 days. I'm betting it's more than you made this year.
Oh boy, this is rich!
February 3, 2009 - 19:13 ET by BlondeWhile I disagree with your views entirely, I respect your opinion. You've also managed a response without using the word troll, or any other insult for that matter.
. . . .
Let's put a dollar amount on prosecuting and incarcerating Michael Phelps for 30 days. I'm betting it's more than you made this year.
So, gutter, you are here doing what, exactly?
Calmly discussing issues? Or issuing insults from your first post "Hey Morons"....to this latest one of yours?
Or trying to derail the discussion here? Hmmmm? You seemed to light off on the word "troll".....yet I never called you a troll....in fact, you went off in my reply to Dee Bunk as to what, in my opinion, caused posters to get banned here.
Then you whined about censorship. Hmmmm.
Finally, you let your agenda slip....you're a stoner, apparently. Fine. Whatever.
But the degree of disengenuousness you've displayed here will earn you nothing more than mocking derision. We know your type, we've seen it a thousand times before.
So.
We need a better class of troll, here. ©
Blonde
February 3, 2009 - 19:52 ET by guttermouthYou're wrong.
I have no agenda. I happened to be bored today and thought I'd see what ya'll are up to. I'm not trying to change any minds. If that was my agenda, I'd be arguing with adults.
Once again, and for the LAST time, "Hey Morons" was aimed at every person here who tied Phelps in with Obama. Neither has a thing to do with the other.
Censorship - I had a post deleted. That's BS. On a site that champions unbiased media, I would think freedom of speech would be top on the list of requirements. Not so.
Lastly, I am not stoned. Feel free to question my sincerity, but at least I'm not just jumping in line like every other post on this site. Seriously, now you guys are quoting each other!
So when it's time, beware - don't drink the Kool-Aid. It's not like it appears.
We need a better class of troll, here. ©
February 3, 2009 - 19:54 ET by BlondeQue'lle stoner.
P.S. That means "you may go now".
OH NO NO NO NO NO!!!
February 3, 2009 - 20:08 ET by guttermouthYou were doing so well Blonde!
You may go now.
February 3, 2009 - 20:09 ET by BlondeWhat, are you deaf?
100%
February 3, 2009 - 20:22 ET by guttermouthYou're just pissed that I keep making you come back to this page.
You know, mouth, you had something there for a second.
February 4, 2009 - 17:19 ET by Mike BrattonBut you couldn't help yourself.
"I'm betting it's more than you made this year."
Really? You'd care to wager? Such a high-roller you are--but that's beside the point.
First off, "I disagree" doesn't exactly address the issue.
And yes, people should be prosecuted for minor offenses, so that folks might understand that major offenses will be prosecuted as well. You know, that whole "broken windows" things that was actually successful in New York City?
But let's examine your baseless assertion that Phelps was only smoking tobacco--in one of the least covenient and most out-of-the-ordinary ways one might consume tobacco in this society. If that were the case, why did Phelps issue this statement?
"I engaged in behavior which was regrettable and demonstrated bad judgment. I'm 23 years old and despite the successes I've had in the pool, I acted in a youthful and inappropriate way, not in a manner people have come to expect from me. For this, I am sorry. I promise my fans and the public it will not happen again."
Does that sound like a statement from someone sucking tobacco smoke out of a pipe, or someone who was doing something else--like consuming marijuana?
The available evidence works against you, mouth.
Oh, and if we take your point of view, and put a "dollar amount" to every incarcerated inmate, prisons would get shut down left and right, and this country would be a much less pleasant place in which to live.
"Golly, he only burned down a church? Did he kill anybody? Well, then let him out! What about her? She only knocked over a convenience store? And the clerk survived? Why, let her go! What's he in for? Running some drugs? Well, heck, he's just giving the people what they want--let him go, too!"
We're not here to defend weed, push the phantom argument that Phelps was maybe just smoking tobacco from a bong, or advocate people getting all Cheech and Chong. Phelps has screwed up royally--twice now, including his DUI--and is watching the goodwill of the American public go "up in smoke." If he wants to salvage it, he'd better start now, with a real mea culpa instead of that tap-dance I quoted above. He needs to do lots of PSAs about the evils of drugs, including marijuana. And he needs to keep his nose, his lungs, and the rest of his gold-medal anatomy squeaky-clean.
And that's what I'm burning on.
(Somehow, I felt compelled to add that last sentence.)
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport.com
I have no agenda. Excuse
February 7, 2009 - 07:32 ET by bretzysdudeI have no agenda.
Excuse me while I fall on the floor laughing.
Lastly, I am not stoned.
But you do admit to drinking on the job. Sounds like you have a huge problem with life.
HOW ARE ALL YOUR KIDS DOING?
Bretzy
February 7, 2009 - 07:59 ET by choselife3xYou are cracking me up here, dude. :-O
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Gutter, that was a quote
February 4, 2009 - 14:12 ET by bassndudeGutter, that was a quote from you...I was just wondering if that is how you see yourself is all. I see your memory is short, also.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Bullsh!t. You come into
February 7, 2009 - 07:25 ET by bretzysdudeBullsh!t. You come into conservative websites all the time where you shouldn't even be welcome and get called a troll over and over again. Don't give us this crap.
HOW ARE ALL YOUR KIDS DOING?
USA1 - this is not a bipartisan or nonpartisan site
February 3, 2009 - 16:48 ET by Dee BunkIt's a conservative site. The only thing you can be certain of is that liberals get better treatment here than conservatives get on any of the major liberal political sites.
Are you like one of those
February 3, 2009 - 15:38 ET by SickofLibsAre you like one of those new 'resistant strains'?
Good one, SoL
February 3, 2009 - 15:42 ET by Blonde:)
:) Editorial note to
February 3, 2009 - 15:52 ET by SickofLibs:)
Editorial note to bacterium: never give away the blanket insult in the subject line. It makes us feel, well, cheap and used...
Morons? Isn't that
February 7, 2009 - 07:21 ET by bretzysdudeMorons? Isn't that name-calling? Weren't you against that, b!tch?
And I 'tried' sex, but I
February 3, 2009 - 15:34 ET by SickofLibsAnd I 'tried' sex, but I found it just wasn't for me.
I don't find a lot of fault
February 3, 2009 - 13:35 ET by balboaI don't find a lot of fault in Phelps for smoking pot, when looking at him as a normal person.
But as one of the greatest Olympians of all time, what an idiot. Here's an idea: if yer gonna smoke pot, Michael, do it when there aren't any cameras around, nimrod.
That's about my view of this
February 3, 2009 - 15:14 ET by ThatDudeThat's about my view of this bal. He's a role model and should keep up a strong moral front for those who admire him. I would be almost as upset if he was caught smoking tobacco, as this would be a bad influence on aspiring swimmers as well. The illegality of this is just an added negative.
no cameras around
February 3, 2009 - 15:45 ET by SickofLibsI agree, Bal, but the problem is practically anything can take a picture these days, except maybe a Dunkin Donut.
Wonder who the 'pal' was who released the photo? I'm sure it was worth megabucks to whoever.
SoL... I agree with you
February 3, 2009 - 17:42 ET by bigtimerSoL...
I agree with you and others here...
One of the first things that came to my mind was I wonder who his 'pal' was that just made a mint...besides the stupidity of Phelps himself in this case...who most likely is going to lose a mint.
He is new to celebrity hood
February 3, 2009 - 16:55 ET by ahusserbut swimming isn't a pro sport so if you want the dough and the attention you have to keep your nose clean and be a good little endorsee.Very poor judgement on his part because endorsements is the only money you will make swimming.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt unless, of course, he is a real doper. But with all those blood test I think cannabis would have shown up before unless it isn't a banned substance and not tested for. Last I knew (many moons ago) that cannabis is fat soluble not water soluble so it stays in the body much longer than cocaine or heroin for that matter.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. F
Phelps is a weak-minded moron
February 3, 2009 - 21:55 ET by PopularTechIntelligent strong-willed people don't do drugs that cause brain damage.
The only reason you defend him is because you smoked pot, everyone that defends pot heads are just as weak-minded and don't have the intelligence to just say no.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
uh...this is the 21st century
February 3, 2009 - 22:01 ET by porpoiseboyain't no such place as one without cameras in it anymore. but phelps is an athelete, not a rhodes scholar ( in fact from what i've seen i seriously doubt if he is "smarter than a fifth grader" ). maybe he gets it now....if not, all i have to say is two words MICHAEL VICK.
"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason" Ben Franklin
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
Hmm, maybe more and more
February 3, 2009 - 13:47 ET by R D HelmHmm, maybe more and more Americans are coming to the realization of what a hideous waste of money and law-enforcement resources the "War on Drugs" really is, as it has afflicted us with exactly the same ills as did prohibition.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
The media
February 3, 2009 - 14:26 ET by iveseenitallLives are ruined by the use of drugs.Why would the media want to ruin lives by encouraging the young to do it? (dumb question, I guess).
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Some lives are ruined by
February 3, 2009 - 14:34 ET by mvfreemanSome lives are ruined by the abuse of drugs. Not to mention there are usually other factors involved, such as poverty and/or lack of education, motivation, and self restraint.
Occasional recreational use is not the same as abuse.
isia,
February 3, 2009 - 17:04 ET by R D HelmI am not advocating drug use. Actually, I think it is a pretty stupid thing to do.
What I am questioning are the governments interdiction methods, which, from where I am sitting, have only managed to drive up the price and attract many more sellers, filled our prisons with hundreds of thousands of people who are no threat to anyone, created more street gangs than we can count, and gotten a lot of innocent people killed in the crossfire.
What is worse, the government efforts have done little, if anything, to actually lower drug use in this country. What they have done is given the government an out when it comes to skirting our constitution, even in areas that do not involve drugs. Say, such as your basic traffic stop. Because of the "Drug War" your vehicle can pretty much be searched by the police at anytime, no warrant required.
Sorry, but I am not at all comfortable with that. No one who values freedom should be, either.
Far too many Americans have had their property, such as cash, vehicles, and even their homes seized by the government on the mere suspicion they are somehow involved in the drug trade, without even bringing charges against them.
If the government is going to seize the property of American citizens, then it ought to at least have to prove these people guilty of something in a court of law, not because some local pizza-scarfing sheriff is trying to fatten the coffers of his respective department.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
RD Helm, National Review devoted an entire issue to it...in 1996
February 3, 2009 - 17:13 ET by upcountrywaterThe War on Drugs is lost
1. Wm. F. Buckley Jr.
Last summer WFB was asked by the New York Bar Association to make a
statement to the panel of lawyers considering the drug question. He
made the following statement:
WE ARE speaking of a plague that consumes an
estimated $75 billion per year of public money, exacts an estimated $70
billion a year from consumers, is responsible for nearly 50 per cent of
the million Americans who are today in jail, occupies an estimated 50
per cent of the trial time of our judiciary, and takes the time of
400,000 policemen -- yet a plague for which no cure is at hand, nor in
prospect.
FREEDOM
(D)
Read it in 1996...agreed
February 3, 2009 - 18:02 ET by JerRead it in 1996...agreed then...still do.
Jer
ucw, I remember when that came out. I had a subscription then.
February 3, 2009 - 18:06 ET by R D HelmI remember it caused a bit of a stir, too, but it was, and still is, difficult to argue against Mr. Buckley's very well thought out argument.
Glad you found the link.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Yea Dave, The next issue had about 30 letters in it..
February 3, 2009 - 18:34 ET by upcountrywaterOne letter stood out, paraphasing.. A world traveler who smoked pot even smoked it in Singapore, BTW they execute drug users..
Drugs will never be legalized, the government makes way more money seizing your home than taxing you ten bucks per joint.
FREEDOM
(D)
Dave
February 3, 2009 - 20:09 ET by shawn228Awesome post, if we don't want a nanny state for taxes, why a nanny state for what we put in our bodies?
He had my vote
Shawn,
February 3, 2009 - 22:16 ET by R D Helm"...why a nanny state for what we put in our bodies"
Because busy-bodies are the same both on the left and the right.
They all have way, way too much time on their hands.
And what is scarier still is that they are allowed to actually vote. :-O
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
§Dave, Shawn, Blonde!! I need Chatzy IP!!
February 3, 2009 - 22:23 ET by TheSterI lost my Link!!!
Thanx!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Baron von Ster
February 3, 2009 - 22:26 ET by Free StinkerI'll PM you in a minute.
Meanwhile, Chatzy seems to be done at the moment. ;-)
I agree up to a point
February 3, 2009 - 17:00 ET by ahusserBut what do you do about meth and PCP to name just a couple of really dangerous drugs. The government could make a lot of money out of taxing marijuana. But MJ has a lot of health risks as well as some health benefits. The dosage of THC would also have to be standardized and the distribution and sale highly regulated like the liquor industry. I would like to see the profit taken from the drug dealers. But I am sure there would always be something illicit to profit from.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. F
Dave
February 3, 2009 - 19:01 ET by choselife3xDid you see that undercover investigation 20/20 did about this years ago?
They bought a used Caddy, put a bunch of hidden cameras in there and went cruising down I-90 at 63 mph. The guy stayed in the right lane on cruise control. Within a couple of hours he was pulled over for 'speeding and driving erratically'. The cop searched the car and IMPOUNDED it under suspicion of having a hidden compartment.
Once the Louisiana cops found out they'd been set up it they tied themselves in knots trying to cover all that up.
Funny, but scary.
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
There you go again chooselife3x
February 3, 2009 - 19:14 ET by ahusserBashing Cops again. BTW when is your ride-along.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Ahusser
February 3, 2009 - 19:56 ET by choselife3xAcknowledging that police screw up and lie just like other people does not equal 'bashing'. That cop lied straight to the camera on national television. Does this mean ALL cops are liars? NO, of course not. Do some abuse their authority? YES.
The bad ones make the good ones look bad, and the *** ** * ***** lawyers and stupid bleeding heart liberal media do their level best to make the job as difficult as possible.
Before you go there, no, I have not had any unpleasant experience with the police. I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't even litter. (I have had one speeding ticket, from a very nice state trooper) I have a relative who is a cop, a good friend of mine is married to one, and my neighbor is a deputy sheriff.
The only 'problem' I have with cops is that every time an average citizen fends off an attacker the local spokescop goes on TV to tell the sheeple that you shouldn't fight back, just give the criminal thug whatever he wants. EVERY SINGLE TIME. "You should cooperate, do whatever he wants, call us afterwards."
Yeah, THAT won't embolden the thugs!
But does that mean the right should emulate the left?
-balboa http://newsbusters.o...
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Win eight gold medals, set
February 3, 2009 - 14:17 ET by ConservativeRexWin eight gold medals, set several world records, and still smoke pot? Let the kid alone.
If all of us had received the same amount of attention as he has with a bad decision of ours, where would we be now?
Two issues
February 3, 2009 - 14:35 ET by iveseenitallNo one should try to ruin the kid's life over this. But to ignore it, or worse ecourage it, is also wrong. It should be condemned, no matter how many people do it. The apathic "whatever" attitude is what has brought society to where it is.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Maybe, but...
February 3, 2009 - 16:23 ET by USAnumber1Ever think is was labeling a whole group of people you've never met as "untrustable" as being what is wrong with society?
Yeah but it shows
February 3, 2009 - 17:12 ET by ahusserhis immaturity. Not that immaturity is confined to younger people. But in the ways of the world he is naive to think that as a public figure and celebrity you can get away with what ever you are doing that is against the law or potentially scandalous (I am a fan of pro-cycling and look what a bunch of yahoo cheaters have done to that fine sport and how do they not only justify doping but the cojones it takes to think you won't get caught) . Especially when he is an athlete in a sport that doesn't pay except in endorsements. So in the final analysis it show poor judgement which is not too terrible in this instance but no matter what the opinion is he is a little tarnished now and it will take a lot to undo the damage if that is possible.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. F
Use does not equal abuse
February 3, 2009 - 14:30 ET by mvfreemanJust because somebody smokes pot now and again doesn't make them a pot head.
As countless others have already said, having a drink occasionally doesn't make you an alcoholic.
With his training he can't afford to smoke on a regular basis.
Right
February 3, 2009 - 14:43 ET by iveseenitallRight. But it's illegal. I guess its o.k. if you cheat on your taxes "once in a while", as Geithner, Daschle, and Killefer did. Doesn't make them "criminals", does it ? Oh wait, Wesley Snipes might have something to say on that point.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Weak analogy
February 3, 2009 - 14:53 ET by mvfreemanWho does he hurt or cheat or affect other than himself?
Failure to pay taxes affects a lot of people.
Hell it's against the law to speed, but do we really consider someone who gets a ticket a "criminal"?
Thats why some offenses are misdemeanors (such as possession of small amounts) and other are felonies.
Now I do have to agree with you that these guys getting away with owing thousands of dollars in "back taxes" is ridiculous.
Should it be
February 3, 2009 - 14:30 ET by Conservative VoiceShould it be illegal?...yes. Should the law be administered equally to its citizens? Yes
Is this something that keeps me up at night? No...this is the media blowing marijuana smoke to the general public...its a distraction. The real outrage is the immoral stimulus bill
Exactly, CV
February 3, 2009 - 14:44 ET by BlondeYou hit all three nails on the head. Four, actually.
yep
February 3, 2009 - 16:24 ET by USAnumber1Just like the one Bush passed months ago
WRONG
February 4, 2009 - 00:08 ET by LoosMooseNOPE..... THIS " STIMULUS" bill is crucial to Obama... because more than 400 BILLION DOLLARS of the ONE TRILLION (with interest, mustn't forget those little Chinese bankers) goes to those smiling boys at the UNIONS such as the Service Employees International Union, and federal, state, and municipal employee unions that bankrolled Obama's campaign.
I had a nightmare that Keith Olberman was run over by a bus,....... and lived.
I don't really care who just
February 4, 2009 - 01:05 ET by Conservative VoiceI don't really care who just so you know.
I think drugs should be
February 3, 2009 - 17:07 ET by RR GOPI think drugs should be legal-for adults-I'm not down with the nanny state thing, and people are getting them anyway.
But, legalization wouldn't impart wholesomeness upon drug use, especially abuse.
If Phelps was photographed or filmed puking his guts up in a toilet after drinking too much (perfectly legal) alcohol, his image in the eyes of young people would be just as tarnished.
To me, the tattoo alone made me suspicious of this All-American boy crap that the MSM and those seeking to sell Wheaties have once again foisted upon the American people. But I'm old and crotchety and think that 'jocks' tend to be loud-mouths who do whatever they want to anyway, and like politicians and other celebs get away with much more than average folks ever could.
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Toke on this stoners
February 3, 2009 - 17:20 ET by acumenLurking stoners for Obama -- Don't you think it's time to stop whining about Nixon, Reagan and Dubya? How can you embrace 'change' when you are hung up in the past? Isn't it time to go after the dem politicians that asked for your vote based on shared values yet continue to fail you miserably on decriminalizing weed?
Clinton had six years with a dem majority in Congress to decriminalize herb - nada. Now you have yet another 'progressive' President with an even larger liberal dem majority in both Houses of Congress - still nada.
Outrage at Phelps? Where is the stoner outrage against the current dem political majority in Washington that is doing absolutely nothing to decriminalize weed? Or are you stoners satisfied being shoved under the Obama bus after giving him and your liberal Representatives/Senators your electoral support?
Sure Harry will throw you a bone - "41 percent support it (legalization) today." However, similar to the homeless that become 'invisible' to the media when the dems are in the majority, all of you champions of pot decriminalization have been relegated by Harry and his peers in the demedia to be the new invisible citizens.
So the next time the Republicans take control in DC don't start up your whining about "mean" conservatives and their archaic drug laws again. Take a look at the latest batch of liberal dem politicians you helped elect to a majority are once again refusing to consider decriminalization.
And the establishment media has decided you must remain invisible for the 'higher' cause of not politically embarrasing the chosen one and his disciples in Congress. Something to think about while sitting in prison for breaking pot laws. Show me the change.
41% That voice... where have I heard that voice?
February 3, 2009 - 23:58 ET by LoosMoose41% approve ???
That voice... where have I heard that voice?
Muuuhah haha hah... SAY the name!!!
Sure, that was the whopping amount that BillJob Clinton won the presidency in 1992... the LOWEST percentage in AMERICAN History.. and Chris Mathews would have called that a mandate (talk about a leg tingler)
Sure... we should legalize pot and prostitution and REGULATE the hell out of it. Only the government would be allowed to sell it (and boy would the demos have the jump on the GOP in that department) Poor ol Ted Kennedy would curse the day... because with prostitution on the books, there would finally be a committee chairman position he would be qualified to lead, and he wouldn't be able to get it up... the votes I mean.
I had a nightmare that Keith Olberman was run over by a bus,....... and lived.
The Dangers of Smoking Marijuana
February 3, 2009 - 23:06 ET by PopularTechAddiction:
Animals Exposed To Marijuana's Active Component Will Self-Administer The Drug (NIH-National Institute On Drug Abuse)
Marijuana Withdrawal As Bad As Withdrawal From Cigarettes (Drug and Alcohol Dependence Journal)
Marijuana Withdrawal Reported By Teens Seeking Treatment (Drug and Alcohol Dependence Journal)
Smoking, Drinking, Drugs: The Younger They Start, The Harder It Is To Quit (Health Education & Behavior Journal)
Gateway Drug:
Early cannabis abuse 'leads to heroin addiction' (Neuropsychopharmacology Journal)
Early marijuana use increases risk of drug and alcohol problems later in life (Washington University School of Medicine)
Illicit Drug Use Starts With Cannabis (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Marijuana use linked to hallucinogen use (Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health)
Negative Health Effects:
Brain Damage - Cannabis Could Increase Risks Of Psychotic Illness By 40 Percent (The Lancet Medical Journal)
Brain Damage - Cannabis Increases Risk Of Psychosis (British Medical Journal)
Brain Damage - Cannabis increases risk of depression and schizophrenia (British Medical Journal)
Brain Damage - Cannabis Triggers Transient Schizophrenia-like Symptoms (Neuropsychopharmacology Journal)
Brain Damage - Cannabis use 'dulls the brain' (Journal of the American Medical Association)
Brain Damage - Concerns over mental health risk of smoking cannabis (British Journal of Psychiatry)
Brain Damage - Early Cannabis Use Increases Risk of Schizophrenia (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Brain Damage - Frequent Marijuana Use May Affect Brain Function (NeuroReport Journal)
Brain Damage - Heavy Cannabis Use May Lead to Psychotic Symptoms (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Brain Damage - Heavy Marijuana use has a detrimental impact on intelligence (Canadian Medical Association Journal)
Brain Damage - Heavy Marijuana Use May Damage Developing Brain In Teens, Young Adults (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia)
Brain Damage - How Smoking Marijuana Damages The Fetal Brain (Science Journal)
Brain Damage - Long-term Cannabis Users May Have Structural Brain Abnormalities (Archives of General Psychiatry Journal)
Brain Damage - Marijuana And Alcohol Taken Together Induced Widespread Nerve Cell Death In Brains Of Young Rats (Annals of Neurology Journal)
Brain Damage - Marijuana Damages Brain (King's College, UK)
Brain Damage - Marijuana Is Linked to Brain Damage (The Lancet Medical Journal)
Brain Damage - Marijuana Use Affects Blood Flow In Brain Even After Abstinence (Neurology Journal)
Brain Damage - Marijuana use in pregnancy damages kids' learning (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences)
Brain Damage - Marijuana Use Takes Toll On Adolescent Brain Function (American Academy of Pediatrics)
Brain Damage - Memory, speed of thinking get worse over time with marijuana use (American Academy of Neurology)
Brain Damage - More Evidence Of Cannabis-induced Psychosis (BMC Psychiatry Journal)
Brain Damage - Scans reveal brain damage from cannabis is like schizophrenia (Albert Einstein College of Medicine)
Brain Damage - Schizophrenia Linked To Dysfunction In Molecular Brain Pathway Activated By Marijuana (Archives of General Psychiatry Journal)
Brain Damage - Skunk smokers 18 times more likely to be psychotic (Royal College of Psychiatrists)
Brain Damage - Smoking Marijuana Impairs Cognitive Function In MS Patients (Neurology Journal)
Brain Damage - Starting marijuana use during teens may result in cognitive impairment later in life (NIH/National Institute on Drug Abuse)
Brain Damage - Teen Drug Use Associated With Psychiatric Disorders Later In Life (NIH/National Institute On Drug Abuse)
Brain Damage - Teen Marijuana Use Worsens Depression, Leads To More Serious Mental Illness (Office of National Drug Control Policy)
Cancer - Marijuana ingredient promotes tumor growth, impairs anti-tumor defenses (NIH/National Institute on Drug Abuse)
Cancer - Marijuana Use Associated with HPV-Positive Head and Neck Cancer (Journal of the National Cancer Institute)
Cancer - Smoking Marijuana May Increase Risk Of Head And Neck Cancers (Cancer Epidemiology Biomarker and Prevention Journal)
Gum Disease - Heavy Marijuana Use Linked To Gum Disease (Journal of the American Medical Association)
Heart Disease - Adolescent binging on marijuana linked to stroke (Saint Louis University)
Heart Disease - Marijuana use can trigger heart attack (Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center)
Heart Disease - Marijuana Use May Pose Health Threat To Baby Boomers (American Heart Association Circulation Journal)
Heart Disease - Possible Connection Between Marijuana Abuse And Stroke Or Heart Attacks (Molecular Psychiatry Journal)
Heart Disease - Regular Cannabis May Increase Risk Of Stroke In Young Users (British Medical Journal)
Infertility - Abusing Marijuana May Overload System, Inhibit Fertility (American Society for Cell Biology)
Infertility - Marijuana-Like Compounds May Alter Human Fertility (American Society of Cell Biology)
Infertility - Sperm From Marijuana Smokers Move Too Fast Too Early, Impairing Fertility (American Society of Reproductive Medicine)
Lung Disease - Impact On Lungs Of One Cannabis Joint Equal To Up To Five Cigarettes (British Medical Journal)
Lung Disease - Long-term Marijuana Smoking Leads To Respiratory Complaints (Archives of Internal Medicine Journal)
Lung Disease - Marijuana associated with same respiratory symptoms as tobacco (Yale School of Medicine)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Smoke Contains Higher Levels Of Certain Toxins Than Tobacco Smoke (ACS Chemical Research In Toxicology Journal)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction -- As Much As 20 Years Ahead Of Tobacco Smokers (Respirology Journal)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Worsens COPD Symptoms In Current Cigarette Smokers (American Thoracic Society)
Lung Disease - Research Confirms Adverse Effects of Cannabis on Respiratory Health (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Obesity - Machinery Of The 'Marijuana Munchies' (Neuron Journal)
Pregnancy Complication - Marijuana Use Causes Early Pregnancy Failure (Journal of Clinical Investigation)
Pregnancy Complication - Marijuana use could cause tubal pregnancies (Vanderbilt University Medical Center)
Viral Infection - Marijuana Component Opens The Door For Virus That Causes Kaposi's Sarcoma (Cancer Research Journal)
Viral Infection - Regular Marijuana Use Increases Risk Of Hepatitis C-related Liver Damage (AGA Clinical Gastroenterology and Hepatology Journal)
Myths:
Pain Relief - Oral Cannabis Ineffective In Treating Acute Pain (Journal of the American Society of Anesthesiologists)
Sociological:
African-American Girls Who Use Marijuana Engage In Riskier Sex, Have Higher STD Rate (School of Public Health, Emory University)
Cannabis Almost Doubles Risk Of Fatal Crashes (British Medical Journal)
Driving under influence of cannabis more common and riskier than drink driving (University of Otago, New Zealand)
Early Exposure To Drugs, Alcohol Creates Lifetime Of Health Risk (Psychological Science Journal)
Emotional Intelligence And The Use Of Tobacco And Cannabis (UAB Department of General, Development and Educational Psychology)
Frequent Family Meals Might Reduce Teen Substance Use (Journal of Adolescent Health)
Glamorization Of Drugs In Rap Music Jumped Dramatically Over 2 Decades (Addiction Research & Theory Journal)
Malt Liquor Linked To Marijuana Use Among Young Adults (Psychology of Addictive Behaviors Journal)
One Of Every Three Popular Songs Contains References To Substance Use (American Public Health Association)
Pop Stars More Than Twice As Likely To Die An Early Death (British Medical Journal)
References To Explicit Substance Use Common In Popular Music (Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine Journal)
Religiosity Curbs Teen Marijuana Use By Half (Journal of Drug Issues)
Researchers Find Factors That Encourage Cannabis Use Among University Students (Journal of Applied Biobehavioral Research)
Rising Teen Marijuana Use Is Fueled By Change In Attitudes (American Journal of Public Health)
Teens who frequently go out with friends more likely to use marijuana (Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine)
United States Has Highest Level Of Illegal Cocaine And Cannabis Use (PLoS Medicine Journal)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
due to the constraints placed on me by
February 3, 2009 - 22:11 ET by porpoiseboy"operation hal" and the serious "hand tying" effect of it; i find myself unable to directly comment on recent posts on this thread. but i am forced to wonder what sort of link fest might be foisted on us if such a story was to appear here, as one where sarah palin gets caught smoking pot, and when questioned about it she states that she sees nothing wrong with it except for the obvious release of CO2 into the atmosphere thereby contributing to agw.
oh! the linkfest of all linkfests! or maybe it's just my imagination.
"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason" Ben Franklin
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
Tonight 's Andy Griffith show on TV land
February 3, 2009 - 22:50 ET by nwahsIn keeping with this thread, an Andy Griffith episode aired on TV land tonight, and it has to be one of the first prime time sitcoms to mention marijuana. In the episode, there is new person in town (William Schallert- Quiet Sam) who is acting oddly. Barney wonders at one point if he's growing marijuana, because he planting fields at night. This episode probably dates back to 1961, since Opie looks about 5 or 6.
Pre Beatles, Pre moon, pre color and here we were worried about marijuana. Yea, pot makes you stupid. So does Budweiser, and Malborrow. We still are almost 50 years later. Pot makes me sick so I never formed a taste for it. But I drink my Bud, my Canadian Club, and I smoked (cigarettes) for 30 years.
So I'm supposed to get on my high horse and condemn others because my vice is legal? Screw that, and screw any who would do that.
I can never say it enough, I despise hypocrites. If you engage in addictive behavior and put down other peoples addictive behavior simply because it illegal, you are the very definition of a hypocrite.
When I quit drinking and quit blogging, then I'll sanctimoniously criticize others addictions.
so then you are ok with
February 4, 2009 - 01:03 ET by Conservative Voiceso then you are ok with heroin? lsd? or other addictive behaviors like child porn? just wondering at what point you can call yourself a hypocrit.
your logic is stellar...its like parents who are frozen when it comes to discipline because ...oops they did the same thing when they were a kid.
Say pot isn't bad for you, why would anyone in their right mind
February 4, 2009 - 01:28 ET by thebutlerdiditwant the government involved in it, in any way? Or anything else, for that matter. Because they do such a stellar job with all the other things under their aegis? Please, it would be a massive CF of titanic proportions.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
It should remain illegal,
February 4, 2009 - 01:42 ET by Conservative VoiceIt should remain illegal, the level of how illegal it needs to be is up for debate. How we go about enforcing the law is also up for debate. FYI, alcohol is illegal, so is smoking cigarettes...if you are a minor. Alcohol is also illegal to consume and drive...etc. This grand idea to make pot legal...there is no such thing, because if you tax it, regulate it, or limit it in any way or form...it becomes an enforcement issue, and thereby an illegal substance to someone at a given moment.
No, I'm not ok with ANY addictive behavior
February 6, 2009 - 10:00 ET by nwahsIt took me almost 20 years to successfully quit nicotine for over a year. Its almost 3 years since I've had nicotine- this is my longest quit ever, and I hope its for good.
But I know I'm still addicted to nicotine and one puff, one chew, one patch, or even one piece of nicotine gum would have me back on the path again.
I'm not going to look at *any* addiction sanctimoniously.
interesting definition of hypocrit
February 6, 2009 - 15:10 ET by Conservative VoiceIf I understand you correctly, you think being self righteous makes you a hypocrit? That fits the Pharasee template...calling people sinners sanctimoniously all the while ignore their own sins.
I was reacting to your original post, I took you to mean that we couldn't declare anything as bad, because we are all sinners. But if you want to modify that stance to we should be careful how we go about declaring bad behavior...ie with love and empathy...then we agree.
Let me suggest something.
February 5, 2009 - 02:11 ET by Mike BrattonSanctimony is putting on a show--slamming others while pretending your act is completely together.
It's not sanctimony when grownups tell the less mature that marijuana is bad because it murders brain cells--it's the truth. Even if the grownups in question couldn't pass a drug test themselves, warning others away is never a bad thing. Because even if you get all Ted Haggard on people, and say "Stay away from the weed!" while simultaneously working a Camel, downing a longneck and popping Xanax just because you can, hypocrisy doesn't turn the truth into a lie.
If you're addicted to alcohol, get help. If you're addicted to blogging, unplug your Internet connection. Nobody's asking you to cast the first stone at Phelps, or at anyone else who does pot, but you can't begrudge others for speaking the truth.
Even if they need a dose of it themselves.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Thats an extremely reasonable post
February 6, 2009 - 10:03 ET by nwahsGood post
Thank you.
February 6, 2009 - 14:46 ET by Mike BrattonI really appreciate that--glad it resonated with you.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Perfect
February 6, 2009 - 17:12 ET by AshleeSeriously, that was perfectly put. Well done and I totally agree.
The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.
Holy Cow
February 6, 2009 - 19:21 ET by choselife3xA two sentence post out of Ashlee. I'm positively pea-green with envy, Mike. I've been working for weeks to try to get a snappy one-liner out of her. Three paragraphs is the best I've been able to manage.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Let me add my high-five.
February 6, 2009 - 19:01 ET by JerLet me add my high-five. Very well stated, Mike.
Jer
Many thanks to all you nice folks.
February 6, 2009 - 20:36 ET by Mike BrattonAnd I praise God for your kind words. I'm honored.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
An operation named for me?
February 4, 2009 - 01:52 ET by PopularTechI'm honored.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Maybe it's a sign of
June 26, 2009 - 07:13 ET by aaron34You got that right, marijuana is gaining popularity in a progressive way, people already talk more freely about it's legalization and frankly, I don't hear anybody complaining about it. I never understood the marijuana related controversies though, there plenty other legal herbs that can give you a similar marijuana high, so that makes me wonder: why is marijuana illegal?