On Wednesday’s CBS Early Show co-host Harry Smith aired an interview he did with photojournalist Scout Tufankjian, who has followed Barack Obama since 2006: "Two years and some one million photographs later, Tufankjian's first book, 'Yes We Can.' She was the only independent photojournalist to cover the Obama campaign from start to finish."
Smith asked Tufankjian: "And had you ever met anybody like him before?" Tufankjian responded: "No. You can be so sick of him, and, you know, having heard the same speech and you're tired, you haven't slept, and I haven't seen my boyfriend in six weeks, and I haven't had a decent meal in ages, and I'm crabby and I'm angry and he smiles at you and it just kind of knocks you over."
Tufankjian also explained her motivation for the book: "For people, years from now, I want them to see this is -- this is what this moment in history was like this is how it felt. This is how I saw it...[Obama supporters] thought this guy's going to be president, he's going to change my life, he's going to change my kids' life, he is going to change the country."
After the taped interview was played, Smith added: "And I saw Scout on the [Obama inaugural] train from Philadelphia down to D.C. on Saturday and she is covering the prayer service this morning at the National Cathedral." Co-host Maggie Rodriguez remarked: "What a privilege."
Immediately following the segment, Rodriguez segued to another report: "One of the things that makes those photographs so wonderful is that it captures Barack Obama with regular people. This who he campaigned for, these are the people who came out here in droves to watch him be inaugurated yesterday, as they did all over the country. CBS News correspondent Cynthia Bowers is in his hometown, Chicago, with that part of the story."
Bowers reported: "There is no denying from coast to coast, all the way to Hawaii, and even here in the Valoy Cafeteria in the new president's old neighborhood, Americans are excited and eager as Mr. Obama took the stage." She later asked Chicago resident Andrea Watson: "You are beaming. Do you feel more optimistic for your family? You've got two boys, husband at home." Watson replied: "Yes, I do. I feel very optimistic. I think Obama's a great man and he's going to do everything that he says he's going to do." As Bowers tossed coverage to Smith, she concluded: "Okay, so there's definitely a wait-and-see approach here, Harry. But folks are excited and that's a start. We needed that."
Here is a full transcript of the segment:
8:31AM SEGMENT:
MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Everybody who came here to Washington, D.C. had to be here, because it was just such a long shot when Barack Obama launched his campaign for the presidency. Nobody said it could happen.
HARRY SMITH: But one photojournalist was there from the very beginning. Take a look.
[TAPED REPORT]
SMITH: Scout Tufankjian's photographs are part of history now. And so is her last name.
SCOUT TUFANKJIAN: It means son of a gun.
SMITH: Really? In?
TUFANKJIAN: Um-hum. Armenian.
SMITH: In Armenian.
SMITH: Tufankjian started her career covering the Gaza Strip. So is this the camera?
TUFANKJIAN: Yeah, this is my baby.
SMITH: Next came an assignment for a Barack Obama book signing in December 2006, in New Hampshire.
TUFANKJIAN: I drove up there, and I just -- I thought it was going to be so boring.
SMITH: Senator Obama wasn't even a candidate then.
TUFANKJIAN: And I didn't know anything about this stuff.
SMITH: Even though thousands of her photographs were eventually published in newspapers and magazines, most of the time, Tufankjian had to pay her own way.
TUFANKJIAN: These are my maxed out credit cards, these are the three -- I paid off two of them.
SMITH: Two years and some one million photographs later, Tufankjian's first book, 'Yes We Can.' She was the only independent photojournalist to cover the Obama campaign from start to finish. And had you ever met anybody like him before?
TUFANKJIAN: No. You can be so sick of him, and, you know, having heard the same speech and you're tired, you haven't slept, and I haven't seen my boyfriend in six weeks, and I haven't had a decent meal in ages, and I'm crabby and I'm angry and he smiles at you and it just kind of knocks you over. For people, years from now, I want them to see this is -- this is what this moment in history was like this is how it felt. This is how I saw it.
SMITH: This says 'June 3, 2008. Nomination is his.'
TUFANKJIAN: This is the day that he said 'I am the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.' This woman would not let him go.
SMITH: Right.
TUFANKJIAN: They thought, this guy's going to be president, he's going to change my life, he's going to change my kids' life, he is going to change the country.
SMITH: Do you have a favorite picture?
TUFANKJIAN: My favorite picture, my girls from South Carolina, they saw him and went completely insane. I love them.
SMITH: Tufankjian was most impressed by Obama's discipline. But she also saw another side.
TUFANKJIAN: Here's one. This is right after Pennsylvania, so this is after they had him doing all of the-
SMITH: Bowling, drinking beer.
TUFANKJIAN: The bowling, drinking the PBR.
SMITH: Right. Did you see him drink Martinis?
TUFANKJIAN: In Berlin.
SMITH: As somebody who was there so much of two years, what was his response to you?
TUFANKJIAN: He treated me like an annoying younger relative. He would grab my hands and shake my camera. During a rope line he would be like, 'Scout, you're distracting me.'
SMITH: Do you ever feel like you'll be able to get that close again?
TUFANKJIAN: No, definitely not.
SMITH: Sometimes Tufankjian and Obama were alone at early campaign events. Now they both have plenty of company. And I saw Scout on the train from Philadelphia down to D.C. on Saturday and she is covering the prayer service this morning at the National Cathedral.
RODRIGUEZ: What a privilege.
SMITH: Yeah. And the thing is, if you're a still photographer, you can get a little closer to the candidate, because there's no tape running, there's no camera on -- from -- video camera on, so there's a little bit, you get a more candid view in those pictures that she took, surely show that.
RODRIGUEZ: I never thought I would find someone who spent more time on the trail with him than you. But we have.
SMITH: Or our intrepid daily correspondents who were on that bus a lot.
RODRIGUEZ: This is true. One of the things that makes those photographs so wonderful is that it captures Barack Obama with regular people. This who he campaigned for, these are the people who came out here in droves to watch him be inaugurated yesterday, as they did all over the country. CBS News correspondent Cynthia Bowers is in his hometown, Chicago, with that part of the story. Good morning, Cynthia.
CYNTHIA BOWERS: Good morning, Maggie. There is no denying from coast to coast, all the way to Hawaii, and even here in the Valoy Cafeteria in the new president's old neighborhood, Americans are excited and eager as Mr. Obama took the stage.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Fantastic. It's like watching Dr. King's dream come alive. And I'm so happy that the children have a chance to actually experience this.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I got some goosebumps a couple times. And it brought a tear in a way because you see how everyone is united on one force.
UNIDENTIFIED BOY: Even people that still face stereotypes today and racism, they say 'oh, I can't get this opportunity because I'm black.' We can't say that anymore.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN B: I never thought I'd see this day, and I'm just thrilled.
UNIDENTIFIED BOY B: I believe that he will make a change.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN C: Good-bye to the old, and hello to the new.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN B: It was worth waiting in the cold. To witness history.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN C: It was hard to keep the emotions in check. It was a great day. Yes.
[FOOTAGE OF CHEERING CROWDS IN BETWEEN QUOTES]
BOWERS: We're here with a couple of folks who are dining in the neighborhood today. Andrea Watson and Jerry Wilson. You're a plumber from Gary. Let's start with you. Are you optimistic about this new administration? And if so, why? Why not?
JERRY WILSON: Yes I am. I think -- I got the wait-and-see approach. You know, because I think that's one person. I think he's going to be a great person as president. Our first African-American president. So I got that wait-and-see approach. I want to see what's going on.
BOWERS: He is talking about dusting yourself off and getting to work. Are you ready to do that?
WILSON: Oh, absolutely, too. But while I have this opportunity, I want to take the opportunity to -- when he starts boosting that economy, starts spending some of these dollars, I'd like to see more African-Americans in the building trades industry. I'm a master plumber and there's very few of us in our community. You go through some of the urban areas, you see some of these jobs. So, that's some of the things I would like to see.
BOWERS: You want to see trickle down to the African-American community.
WILSON: Yes.
BOWERS: Andrea is a dialysis tech at a hospital here. You are beaming. Do you feel more optimistic for your family? You've got two boys, husband at home.
ANDREA WATSON: Yes, I do. I feel very optimistic. I think Obama's a great man and he's going to do everything that he says he's going to do.
BOWERS: What can he do? We're in a fix here.
WATSON: He's going to make everything better for us, better economy, more jobs, and just do great things for us.
BOWERS: So do you believe that your optimism and your neighbor's and family's optimism is enough to get us back on track?
WATSON: Yes, I do.
BOWERS: And maybe get us going?
BOWERS: Okay, so there's definitely a wait-and-see approach here, Harry. But folks are excited and that's a start. We needed that.
SMITH: Alright. Cynthia, thank you so much. Live in a diner in Chicago.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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No Drama...Obama. Yeah
January 21, 2009 - 17:41 ET by bigtimerNo Drama...Obama.
Yeah right.
Quite sure her book will be at No. 1 on the NYT's Fiction List when it is released.
" "For people, years from
January 21, 2009 - 17:51 ET by" "For people, years from now, I want them to see this is -- this is what this moment in history was like this is how it felt. "
Why did you feel that this was important to highlight? Do you think she's stupid for acknowledging the "historic" moment of this inauguration? Or do you feel that just because you don't like his policies that it is NOT historic? Or should people just "move on" and stop talking about the "historic nature" of it all, even though it only happened yesterday? Exactly what the hell is your point? It's an historic election. Commentators are glowing about it, BIG DEAL. Why do you and others on this blog, seemingly desire to diminish the "historic" nature of this occasion?
I didn't vote for Obama, I was going to vote for NO ONE. But when I saw the flea-bitten liberals manning the polling place, I didn't trust them to leave it blank. I figured they'd fill it in for Obama. That's the ONLY reason I ended up voting for McCain who makes me sick every time I look at him and think about his "gang of 14" idiots.
But I won't deny my relatives and friends the joy that they feel at this moment. I personally am sad that more babies are going to die and the tent of sodomy will be enlarged. But most people who voted for Obama don't even know that!
Most people in this country don't know that the democrat party is the pro-abortion party and the Republican party is the pro-Life party! Look at the polls.
People are just happy to see a sad racially divisive, long lasting chapter in our countries history changed! And the symbol of this election does that. I'm almost thankful for the ignorance of a lot of people right now.
Young kids who don't know what I know about him, will take away only the positive things about him. And that is good for the country. Sure when they grow up they'll find out what he really stood for, if you raise them correctly that is. Then they'll have their Thirties in which to be disillusioned. Until then, grin and bear it baby, 'cause it ain't goin' away!
People are going to get real tired of you people real quick if all you're going to do for the next four years is bit@h and moan about inconsequential matters. Don't become the conservative "daily kos" or "move on". Lose with grace. Let them have their fun. Do what I do, turn the t.v to something else.
acts.........like a jerk
January 21, 2009 - 18:28 ET by choselife3x1. You didn't trust the 'flea bitten liberals' to 'leave it blank' if you didn't vote. Which indicates you believe liberals are fundamentally dishonest. Those people are now in power. And your advice is 'grin and bear it'. Oh, we'll bear it. Because we are law-abiding citizens. But we're under NO obligation to 'grin', so you can just shove that.
2. For a lot of people, this is the only place they can vent. If you don't like it, go annoy people on another site.
3. Yesterday you told a poster (BD, I believe) that his life was 'puny and insignificant'. I would like you to explain how any human life is 'puny and insignificant' according to Scripture.
If YOU are not fundamentally dishonest, you will apologise to him.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
" Yesterday you told a
January 21, 2009 - 22:11 ET by" Yesterday you told a poster (BD, I believe) that his life was 'puny and insignificant'. I would like you to explain how any human life is 'puny and insignificant' according to Scripture."
Thanks for calling me a JERK "chooselife, while demanding I apologize for calling someone "puny", good to know you're consistent! LOL. While I am a teacher of salvation as it exists in scripture, not mens imaginations, I am also a human being, therefore, not everything that I "say", can be found in scripture. Everything that I teach, however, IS. Although oddly, this one happens to be as well, I see that you've apparently been harboring some resentment of some of the things that I've written concerning the scriptures. And you were looking for a "gotcha" moment! But since my scriptural analysis is always correct,( my boast is in the Lords gift of Knowledge), you really can't argue with the bible so now you're game is "gotcha". You "caught" me uttering a thought that is not biblical, Que Triste. But in this case the "aha" is on you, because the bible is based on the fact of man's insignificance. That's the reason that humanity was destroyed the first time. Humanity was not more important than God's word, which humanity was busy violating! Flood ring a bell? Only EIGHT souls were saved by water! While man IS important to God, it is in reference to being His creation, not the actual worth of the clay. Clays cheap.
The bible declares that PHAROAH was born WITH NO OTHER PURPOSE than to be destroyed by the brightness of the Lord's power. Not fair to Pharoah you say? Infringing on Pharoah's significance? You're darn tootin', especially since Pharoah would have let the Jews go after the FIRST PLAGUE, but the Lord hardened Pharoah's heart so that he wouldn't. Moses explains it thusly,
Romans 9:10-22
10Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger."[d] 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."[e]
14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "[h] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25As he says in Hosea:
"I will call them 'my people' who are not my people;
Now you see my friend that puny and insignificant is exactly what most human life IS to the Lord, unless and UNTIL it starts to OBEY. Thinking like yours is why most so-called Christians in a recent poll said they didn't believe in "hell"! Couldn't believe that God would be that "harsh". Or thought that they were too "significant" to burn, probably. I realize this goes against every lie that you've been fed, but life wouldn't seem so "significant" if you were a "vessel of wrath prepared for destruction", now would it? See, the doctrine goes this way, there are people placed on earth that were not put here by GOD, but by satan! Were you aware of this biblical doctrine? See, Pharoah didn't have a chance to "repent". The Lord wouldn't let him. And Pharoah is certainly going to burn in hell. Well, there are MANY people on earth who are "Vessels of wrath", put in place by satan! I was not calling BD this, I was referring to the fact that a man (Lowry) making a speech was referring to the masses not BD or MY puny, insignificant life for that matter! I meant it in the same way that any individual is puny versus the mass of humanity not a slight at BD personally. But your attempted "gotcha" provides an opportunity for you to learn so I will endeavor. Ever wonder how some people can arrive at such outrageous positions like sodomic "marriage"? Ever wonder how some politicians can cherish the "right" to kill a child? Even after the invention of "fetal imaging" where they can see the toes and fingers and heartbeat? It's because they don't have the same "inner compass" or Father that I and perhaps you do! It's missing. Not in residence. Read as Jesus explains the divergent strains of humanity to His apostles......
The Parable of the Weeds
24Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'
28" 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'
29" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "
Confused? Well so were the Apostles so a little while later the Lord was kind enough to explain the meaning of the parable.
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."
37He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
40"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
See all humanity is not precious to the Lord, only those who are His and that's a SMALL number compared to the "masses of humanity". See, Jesus' teaching on the "NARROW GATE THAT LEADS TO LIFE" and the "few there be that find it!" (matt 7:13-15) . I realize that this is difficult for you to understand, most churches teach false doctrine. If you go to a church that thinks that Jesus came to bring "PEACE ON EARTH" this will certainly be new to you because He did NOT. He actually came to do the exact opposite...see Matt 10:34-36. Note, the anger that some feel when I write things like "So and so's not baptized properly" and I quote "Acts 2:38" which SHOWS that the majority of so called Christians are NOT baptized properly. And then when I quote ephesians 4:5 which shows that NUMEROUS baptisms will NOT be recognized by Christ, this is the "division" that Christ came to foster. One group would rely on His name, would have His gifts, would work His miracles and the other group would be the descendants of the false church started in Rome, led by Satan. The Lord was even kind enough to tell you through Paul, how to recognize the false church (1Tim 4 :1-4), and they were things that only the apostates in Rome have done, like "forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from certain foods". If you go around thinking you're "significant" you'll never repent. And without repentance no man shall see God.
Hebrews 2:5-7 (King James Version)
5For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
6But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?
7Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Paul the writer of Hebrews certainly understood the worthless condition of humanity. What is man that thou art mindful of him? Answer nothing: it's by His grace that we are not consumed.Because we are ALL DESERVING OF DEATH.
Lamentations 3:21-23 (King James Version)
21This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope.
22It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
23They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.
The problem is that in your unregenerate state you don't understand what your "goodness" or your "righteousness" is really worth without the indwelling of the Holy Ghost, evidenced by glossalalia. It's worth nothing to Christ! Unless you attach worth to a FILTHY RAG.
Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Think. We call people "good" every day. But they are NOT. NO ONE is GOOD.
Luke 18: 19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.
Psalm 51
5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Not only does this verse illuminate the human condition which makes baptism in Jesus name for the remission of sins of paramount importance ( acts 2:38) but it's also a good response to gays or others who think being "born that way" is an excuse. We are ALL shapen in iniquity! All prone to sin and damnation, but His grace leads us out! Amen thank you Jesus! In order to be "significant" you must have something of WORTH right? Well what would that be? Because as Paul says to the Romans this...
Romans 7
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Here's Jesus' opinion on Most of the church world...
Revelation 3:16-18 (King James Version)
16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
See, not that "significant". It is man's fallen state that is to blame and is also the reason that
Luke 15:7
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
See how there's no "joy in heaven" over those that think they are significant and need no repentance for being filthy vessels of sin? I could go on man, because this doctrine is taught consistently throughout scripture but I think I've made my point, scripturally. Although I'm sure others will object without scripture but with plenty emotion.
And BD, if you took my "puny and insignificant" line to mean a personal condemnation of "You the person" as opposed to "you one of MANY", I apologize! That was not my intention and it is unfortunate that I wrote it without making that clear, my bad, please forgive me. Good night an God bless you.
"Do all (saved) speak in
January 21, 2009 - 22:30 ET by botg"Do all (saved) speak in tongues?"
-----------------Saul
Damn botg,
January 21, 2009 - 23:08 ET by RESTLESS 1Now you've done it.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
R1 not i
January 21, 2009 - 23:14 ET by botgthe Apostle wrote that particular rhetorical question to which the answer, in context, is no.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Yeah, but
January 21, 2009 - 23:23 ET by RESTLESS 1You have now invited Keith to type out an epic in response. :(
Of course, I may have made that same error below. :(:(
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
well R1 it is not me
January 21, 2009 - 23:34 ET by botgto whom he answers anyway. i know whom i have believed. Didn't He have something to tell Job about running at the mouth? Didn't He also mention something about Pharisees doing something to devour widows houses?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
That He did botg
January 21, 2009 - 23:54 ET by RESTLESS 1I think He may have mentioned something about boasting as well. Keith seems well aware of what scripture says, but he may want to internalize some of it as well.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
My real name is Damien if
January 22, 2009 - 04:35 ET byMy real name is Damien if that helps you stop calling me "Keith" although it is a nice name. "Candance" showed me the "hateful" things that he wrote to you guys. Man, that wasn't hate that was LOVE. Wouldn't you slap a child's hand away from a hot stove? Don't you love the kids you spank? I read some of the things you guys said to Keith and some of you were using profanity, which he didn't. All he did was tell you that most of you are going to fake churches, that neither baptize nor receive the Holy Ghost properly and then he made his case. He was probably pissed by people who knew so little about the bible impugning his admittedly vast knowledge. He was harsh! Big deal. It doesn't bother you when Limbaugh is "harsh" so "man up". However he was RIGHT about every single thing that he told you.
While it's not my approach, Christ often uses men with brutish ways, I don't understand it either but I do recognize it. John the Baptist ( and no, i am not likening some blogger to J the B) came screaming at the top of his lungs, Repent the kingdom of God is at hand! Isaiah and Jeremiah called people names, "brood of vipers", "cockatrice egg", comes to mind, the Lord is not so much concerned with the "tone" as with the info. But keep in mind that an awful lot of people have been challenged to actually learn for themselves by people just like Keith. I mean, when he prints a scripture, it's either what the Word says or it isn't and you either knew it already or you didn't, right?
§ Hello Acts..We are up late!!
January 22, 2009 - 04:58 ET by TheSterI'm not religious...so I'm not in this debate.
Just saying hello.
Still here?
I'm working on my other PC...just seeing who's here...
Got any other stuff U want to talk about at 4 in the morning ??
Just saying hello...Howdy!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Hey Ster! I was just about
January 22, 2009 - 05:06 ET byHey Ster!
I was just about to call it a night when I saw your post. Thanks for thinking about me and writing. I've been typing like a stenographer for a while so I'm going to bed. Hope all is well with you and Happy New Year! God bless you.
§ Acts..I wish I could type!!!
January 22, 2009 - 05:11 ET by TheSterMevas Typing Tutor.....
Still working it!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Sorry friend but you're
January 22, 2009 - 04:36 ET bySorry friend BOTG but you're wrong. See the other post.
I know you think you have
January 22, 2009 - 05:01 ET byI know you think you have some kind of "gotcha" here, but you don't. You just haven't understood what you read in the context that it was written. Paul told you "Not to be children in understanding", he didn't want you think he was saying things about tongues that he wasn't. ( 1C0 14:20). What you're doing my friend is "reading other peoples mail". The epistles were written to saved believers. People who had all been baptized a certain way ( acts 2:38)AND who had received the Holy Spirit the SAME way that the Apostles did ( acts 2:4) references to this are all over the place!
They were from the time when there was only
Ephesians 4:5 (King James Version)
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Most of us, well not me, but I'm trying not to "offend", go to churches that think God is Three People that multiple "Faiths" or denominations are fine and that any old baptism will do! But the bible says there is ONLY ONE! And that is in JESUS' NAME! Most of these modern day churches came AFTER the "apostacy" spoken of in 1Tim4:1-4. That is if your church in any way came out of or is an offshoot of, the Catholic Church. Which the Baptist, Protestant, Lutheran, Episcopal, and Methodist Churches, are. You have been listening to the church that you were warned against unfortunately my friend.
Yes all of the saved speak in tongues at least initially when they receive the Holy Ghost. You have only to look at the account Acts 2:4 and see that it was the same for ALL. Now there is also a "gift" of diverse tongues , with which the "initial manifestation" gets confused.
1 Corinthians 12:6-8 (King James Version)
4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
Here Paul is telling the Corinthians the DIFFERENCE between the MANIFESTATION of the Spirit and the gifts received as a result of having it! Notice that the manifestation or initial appearance of the Spirit is given to EVERY MAN to profit from.
But ALL speak initially according to Jesus...John3:8, acts 2:33, Isaiah 28:11-12, Mark 16:15-20) When Paul said "do all speak in tongues" he was talking to a church full of saved people who had already done it initially, that is when they received the Holy Ghost. He was referring to the gift of tongues which obviously not everyone would have. I realize that this is complicated but you have to take the scriptures in their totality not individually. Paul didn't contradict Jesus who said in no uncertain terms that there is an unidentifiable sound that accompanies the newbirth of every believer.
John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
I will explain the misunderstanding of Paul's statement in a moment. Jesus told the disciples that they would receive the Holy Ghost or Spirit if you prefer, right?
John 14:26
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Remember in whose "name" the Holy Ghost is coming as that will be important later. For right now just concentrate on the fact that the Lord said it was a-comin' okay? He said this on more than one occasion.
John 15:26
26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
So the Holy Spirit is coming and it will actually do something, it will "testify" of Christ. Now, right away someone here should notice the difference between what Christ said about His Spirit and what is commonly taught about His Spirit! Most houses of false doctrine teach that an individual has NO PROOF that one has received the Holy Spirit. They tell you that speaking in tongues is either, just one of the gifts of the Spirit, or that it was only for the "early church". Both of which are easily disproved in scripture. So in short they tell you that you won't know that you have it but as soon as you make an inner conversion and decide to "accept Christ" as your "personal saviour" you automatically have it. It's in there. Like PREGO! Remember the Italian meat sauce? LOL. Now that is markedly different from what the Lord said, He said that His Spirit would TESTIFY TO YOU ABOUT HIM. Hard to do if you don't know you have it right?
When you read the four gospels, the end of them overlap the beginning of the book of acts slightly. In Acts 1 Jesus is giving his disciples their "parting instructions" just like he is at the end of the gospels, okay?
Acts 1
1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Again, Jesus re-iterates that they shall receive the Holy Ghost in a few days. In the eighth verse he tells them what the Spirit is and what it will do.
Acts 1:8
8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
So if you examine the doctrines of most churches today they completely fall apart! They tell you that there is no outward proof that one has received the Holy Ghost, right? But Jesus told his disciples to wait until they received it before starting the greatest missionary journey ever undertaken! They tell you that "all you have to do to receive it is BELIEVE", right? Leaving aside the fact for the moment that Jesus explained very carefully that what he meant by the word believe and what the "world" means by the word are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Didn't the APOSTLES BELIEVE? Weren't they standing there talking to Christ? Of course they believed. But it obviously takes more than that.
This is one of the principle areas in which the devil has perverted the gospel. At no time does Jesus say," you guys have been with me for three years or so, your faith is in good shape so once I am glorified and send back my spirit you'll automatically have it!" He tells them to WAIT FOR IT. Pregunta: If there is no evidence that one has received it apart from some nebulous concept of "belief" how would people that have been "believing" for three years know when to leave Jerusalem? It's not like they were just going out to get some smokes, they had to go and start the church for goodness sake! This is just one more area in which the devil wanted to get the message "off note" if you will. See if there are four of us and the Lord says I'm going to give you my Spirit but wait for it before you go and do what I have commissioned you to do AND WE ALL HAVE THE IDENTICAL EXPERIENCE, WHATEVER THAT IS....from whence would the idea spring that there was another way? I mean, we never had the Holy Spirit before, none of us know what it is and when it comes, let's say that we all suddenly were able to leap one hundred feet in the air! Silly, I know but bear with me. So after we ALL have this amazing experience of being able to leap a hundred feet straight up, along comes some little pipsqueak late in the game that says that we didn't have to leap one hundred feet in order to receive the Gift. Where could he have gotten his information?
Well on the day that the Apostles and disciples received the Holy Ghost, they were all of the same mind and in the same place. The bible Chronicles this in Acts 2
Acts 2
1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Some of you may be aware that the devil sought to kill Jesus even before He was born. He tried to take out the lineage through which Christ would come, i.e Moses and he tried to kill all the newborns around the time of Christ's earthly incarnation through King Herod killing all the newborn males! Failing that he tried to change the actual message which is why Jesus warned you copiously about "false prophets" and the like.The apostles wrote frequently about those who would try to pervert the gospel. Paul says that the evil men who would pervert it actually came from the ranks of the disciples themselves! I could give a hundred examples (well almost) but this should suffice for now, in the interest of "brevity". LOL. Yeah, I know.
Acts 20
28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
So in a nutshell, Jesus promised them His Spirit and they ALL got it the exact same way. Then there came people who said, "you don't just get it that way". Sounds like satan talking to eve, huh?
Satan:"Did God say that you would die if you ate of the tree?"
Eve: Yes
Satan: You shall not die you shall be like GOD!
If they all had the same experience then the idea that you didn't need THAT experience had to come from outside of the group! Add that to the fact that they TOLD YOU SPECIFICALLY that people would come from their group and LIE and you might be on to something! Jesus said here...
Mark 16:15-20
5And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
So signs FOLLOW belie, real belief that is, they do not accompany belief silently and are not unknown to the person in question. Ephesians 1:13-15 will back that up.
Man I'm tired! It's late and I got home from Bible study after midnight. I'll answer the questions as they arise, if I'm able. Until then Buenos Noches
p.s. I don't hate you man, I love you and all of the people here, in Jesus name. I want all to be saved. But I know that not all will be. I offer the truth in love, but I will not compromise with a lie, to spare someone's "feelings". I hope this hasn't been too harsh. Don't want to scar you like Keith did!
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January 22, 2009 - 05:07 ET by TheSterWhat's Up?
Respond with "Ster"..
Question...What is your Favorite Color?
Lets start with that???
Ster.
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Keith...I mean Acts,
January 21, 2009 - 23:15 ET by RESTLESS 1I hesitate to ask this, but what exactly do you mean by most Christians are not properly Baptised? I know of no other way than to be Baptised in the name of Jesus.
Could you clarify, and keep short, if possible?
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liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Most Christian churches
January 22, 2009 - 04:32 ET byMost Christian churches baptize in empty titles as opposed to names, Restless1. The Catholic church and it's subsidiaries all baptize in the titles "Father, Son and Holy Ghost". Improperly leaning to their own understanding of Matthew 28:19 instead of following the example laboriously laid out for them by the Lord and His apostles. See, Acts 2:38, 4:12, 19:1-6, 8:16, etc.)