CBS: Liberal Historian Compares Obama to FDR, Bush to Hoover

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Douglas Brinkley and Bob Schieffer, CBS During live coverage of Barack Obama’s inauguration at 9:30AM on Tuesday, CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric spoke to historian Douglas Brinkley, who observed: "And it reminds me of Franklin Roosevelt in March of 1933 in this regard, I mean the economy was in tatters, Herbert Hoover was an unpopular president, President Bush is not very popular, and he was able to galvanize people with his speech, FDR, move the nation, you know to have nothing -- you know, to fight for all of the civil rights and to start pushing forward the hundred days of the New Deal. And so you see the echoes of that." On the January 11 Sunday Morning program, Brinkley declared Bush in the "...the very bottom-rung of American Presidents."

Brinkley’s comment was prompted by Couric remarking: "...a confluence of events that will make him perhaps one of the most powerful presidents in history. It's hard to predict an administration and how successful it will be, but he really is starting off things in an enviable position, isn't he?" Later, Face the Nation host Bob Schieffer shared his thoughts on that point: "But the interesting thing, Katie, is when we stop and think about it, our greatest presidents have always come to us during the worst of times. If history's any guide, the pieces are in place here for the making of a great president." On Monday’s Early Show, Schieffer compared Obama to Abraham Lincoln.

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Schieffer also went on to contrast all the good will of the Obama inauguration with the bitterness of Bush’s 2001 inauguration: "There's just this feeling of goodwill that has settled over this capitol. Remember in 2000, when George Bush came here, there was this rancor that was left over from the dispute in Florida. People -- some -- many were convinced he wasn't even a legitimate president at that point...I have never, in a long, long time, Katie, seen the kind of spirit over this town and in this town, that we're seeing today. It's remarkable."

Here is the full transcript of the segment:

9:31AM SEGMENT:

KATIE COURIC: And watching it all with me, right here from our studio, CBS News chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer and presidential historian extra ordinaire Doug Brinkley. Gentlemen, good to see you on this very exciting day. And while Doug's a presidential historian Bob, you've lived through more history than either of us so far. Because you covered your first inauguration back in 1965.

BOB SCHIEFFER: This is number 12 for me-

COURIC: Wow.

SCHIEFFER: -and I've never seen anything like this. Katie, we were here before the sun came up. By 6:30 this morning, 6:30 this morning, there were already more than 100,000 people out on the Mall. We're going to have over a million people out there. Now the biggest inaugural crowd we ever had was Lyndon Johnson-

COURIC: Was yours, right, the-

SCHIEFFER: -in 1965-

COURIC: Not yours, but-

SCHIEFFER: No-

COURIC: Your first one.

SCHIEFFER: My first one. This is going to exceed that. I think the story here today is going to be we were talking about how big this was going to be, I think it's going to be bigger and a larger crowd than anyone anticipated.

COURIC: And not to mention, Doug was saying earlier, about the people in their hotel rooms who are going to file out at that moment when he takes the oath of office, or shortly before that, or even to come out and watch the parade, if they're along the parade route. It is pretty extraordinary, isn't it, Doug?

DOUGLAS BRINKLEY: Well, it's going to be a bragging right to say that 'I was in Washington D.C.,' even if you didn't see Obama, but if you were in Washington for the inaugural it's going to mean something down the line, and I can't help but be moved, like everybody is, at what this means for the country. I mean, we talk about the word freedom, and the freedom struggle, but think about it, the African-American community going through the middle passage to slavery, you know, through the Civil War and emancipation, Jim Crowe and then all the history of Booker T. Washington, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and now you have Barack Obama being sworn in as President of the United States. It's an awesome moment in American history.

COURIC: You know, historians apparently, according to the Washington Post this morning, say he is 'taking command of an office at its historic zenith,' you know, a confluence of events that will make him perhaps one of the most powerful presidents in history. It's hard to predict an administration and how successful it will be, but he really is starting off things in an enviable position, isn't he?

BRINKLEY: He is. And it reminds of Franklin Roosevelt in March of 1933 in this regard, I mean the economy was in tatters, Herbert Hoover was an unpopular president, President Bush is not very popular, and he was able to galvanize people with his speech, FDR, move the nation, you know to have nothing -- you know, to fight for all of the civil rights and to start pushing forward the hundred days of the New Deal. And so you see the echoes of that.

SCHIEFFER: But the interesting thing, Katie, is when we stop and think about it, our greatest presidents have always come to us during the worst of times. If history's any guide, the pieces are in place here for the making of a great president.

COURIC: He also has -- incredible good will backing him up. Something like 89% are feeling hopeful and optimistic about his administration, even 58% of supporters of John McCain. So it seems like he's got the support of the country, and of course, he needs to make political hay while the sun is shining, right?

SCHIEFFER: There's just this feeling of goodwill that has settled over this capitol. Remember in 2000, when George Bush came here, there was this rancor that was left over from the dispute in Florida. People -- some -- many were convinced he wasn't even a legitimate president at that point. There was back and forth between the Bush people and the Clinton people. They accused each other of trashing each other and all of that. This time it has all gone very smoothly. The president said 'I want this to be good.' I have never, in a long, long time, Katie, seen the kind of spirit over this town and in this town, that we're seeing today. It's remarkable.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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It's Subjective at best.

Is Katie's lips planted firmly on Obama's ass an enviable position??? Maybe you have to be a member of the MSM to appreciate that.

US historian TM compares

US historian TM compares obama to forrest gump and George W. Bush to Jesus - crucify him crucify him 

congrats to all the new U.S presidents - and press secretary obama

What;s it been

10 minutes max? vs 8 years.

Does this mean the mdeia will tell the same amount of lies about Obama as they told about Bush.

Anybody want to keep a running total of media lies on Osama-Obama?

We do not need another FDR

The biggest myth taught in history classes is that FDR was a great president. He was an utter disaster, who's socialist policies created the longest duration and most wide spread economic suffering our country has ever seen.

The Mythology of Roosevelt and the New Deal (Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)

How FDR's New Deal Harmed Millions of Poor People (Jim Powell, Historian)

The New Deal Debunked (again) (Thomas J. DiLorenzo, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)

The Truth about FDR (Thomas E. Woods, Jr. Ph.D. History)

What Do the New Deal and World War II Tell Us About the Prospects for a Stimulus Package? (Price V. Fishback, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)

Do We Really Want Another New Deal? (National Review)

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Things that make you go Humm...

"And it reminds me of Franklin Roosevelt in March of 1933"

So, Katie, you're telling us that you were around in 1933?

BTW, I'd chill on the FDR comparisons if I were you.  FDR didn't pull us out the the Great Depression. WWII, and the advancements in productivity during WWII, is what ended the Great Depression.  FDR also started the Immigrant Worker Program.  You know, the one which created an "undocumented worker"  problem we are still trying to deal with today?

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Progressive left called Clinton - worst since Hoover!

In 2000-2001 as economists warned, and then recounted the economic disaster caused by the Clinton era dot.com bubble economy, many not so popular things were lobbed at the outgoing Clinton era. Our national media, then (unlike the next 8 years) kept the view away from the American people.

Dean Baker, CEPR, is but one of those voices. Always a critic of the Bush economic policies, he still maintains that the Clinton record set the stage for today's crisis. And, here is what he had to say back in April of 2001 (my bold): 

"The decline in the stock market was an entirely predictable event for anyone familiar with basic arithmetic, even if the exact timing could not be known in advance. The nation's political leaders chose to ignore the stock market bubble ... As a result, millions of families have seen their dreams of a secure retirement or their children's college education vanish with the stock market bubble. The level of negligence of the nation's political leaders in ignoring the stock bubble exceeds anything since the days of Herbert Hoover."

It's an accurate comparison

It's an accurate comparison - but not the way the libtards think.

Both Hoover and FDR screwed things up, but FDR was FAR worse!

Did we expect anything less from liberals and leftists?

POTUSBO will enjoy the full ignorance and bias of the advocacy/adversary media and the halls of the academy during his tenure.

They will see, hear or speak no evil of Obama.

How can they, though? Their intellectual dishonesty, coupled with their ignorance, makes them not only malleable but also complicit in the lies Obama has advanced and the ones he will.

To them, American history is now,  as Spike Lee has suggested, divided in to BB and AB, Before Barack and After Barack.

They're right, but now in ways I suspect they think

The comparison is valid.

The comparison is 100% correct. Hoover's action led to making The Great Depression worse than it needed to be and opening the doors up for his successor, FDR, to make things even worse than they were. Bush has done the same thing with his ridiculous bailouts and government intrusion into the markets, now Obama is just going to run with the intrusions he has made and make things even worse. Hopefully we don't have to live with Obama for 8 years, but looking at the nation and how the media covers for him, who knows how long we will have to live with him.

Books on how Hoover and FDR created the Great Depression

Hoover:
America's Great Depression (PDF) (368 pgs) (Murray Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)

FDR:
FDR's Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression (Jim Powell, Historian, 2003)
New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America (Burton W. Folsom, Ph.D. Professor of History, 2008)

When you are done reading them, please share them with people you know.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

too true

Hoover made some bad decisions and FDR created a train wreck.

Looks like deja vu all over again [apologies to Yogi].

Schieffer needs to read a book once in a while.

"Schieffer compared Obama to Abraham Lincoln."

Does Schieffer realize what Abraham Lincoln did to the South as CIC during the civil war...?Gen.Grant and the Union army absolutely punished the south in the last year of the war.They burned it to the ground.Lincoln did things that would make George Bush look like an amateur when it comes to making war.

 

Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.

Looks like the real facts

Looks like the real facts don't match with your phony facts.

GDP grew every year starting in 1933, except for the years that FDR was pressured by the pubs to balance the budget. Now go study history, not republican talking points.

http://www.housingbubblebust.com/GDP/Depression.html 

Looks like your propaganda does not match reality

Unemployment was 17% in 1939 - so much for the Socialist "New Deal". Here is some light reading:

Articles:
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate (UCLA)

How FDR Made the Depression Worse (Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
The Mythology of Roosevelt and the New Deal (Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)

How FDR's New Deal Harmed Millions of Poor People (Jim Powell, Historian)
Not-So-Great Depression (Jim Powell, Historian)
Should We Try Another New Deal? (Jim Powell, Historian)
Tough Questions for Defenders of the New Deal (Jim Powell, Historian)
Why Did FDR's New Deal Harm Blacks? (Jim Powell, Historian)

The New Deal Debunked (Thomas J. DiLorenzo, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
The New Deal Debunked (again) (Thomas J. DiLorenzo, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)

Three Myths of the Great Depression (Burton W. Folsom, Ph.D. Professor of History)

The Truth about FDR (Thomas E. Woods, Jr. Ph.D. History)

Five Myths About the Great Depression (Andrew B. Wilson, The Wall Street Journal)
The New Deal Jobs Myth (Amity Shales, The Wall Street Journal)

Books:
FDR's Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression (Jim Powell, Historian, 2003)
New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America (Burton W. Folsom, Ph.D. Professor of History, 2008)
Salvos Against the New Deal (Garet Garrett, 2002)
The Roosevelt Myth (John T. Flynn, 2007)
Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (Wolfgang Schivelbusch, 2006)

Papers:
Great Myths of the Great Depression (PDF) (Lawrence W. Reed, M.A. History)
How FDR Prolonged the Great Depression (PDF) (Jim Powell, Historian)
The Government and the Great Depression (PDF) (Chris Edwards, M.A. Economics)
Why the Great Depression Lasted So Long and Why Prosperity Resumed after the War (PDF) (Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

SIC'EM PopTech

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Down from 25% under Hoover

Down from 25% under Hoover and continued to drop until 1942.  That's a fact.

"Liberal

"Liberal historian"...that's rather redundant.

Basically, I find much of the social sciences quite interesting, in particular history, but this branch of science was taken over by the Marxists ages ago.  Probably because they lend themselves to influencing thought more than the natural sciences...and, of course, don't require the math, science and personal discipline.  Or the inconvenience of stuff like data getting in the way of your pre-conceived notions and political/social ideologies.

Also, the results involved with dealing with people are shakier, lend themselves to broader interpretation and are easier to defend no matter what the data.

On the other hand, predict the behavior of an electron, and if you're wrong...well, you're just wrong.  Not much wiggle room there.

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

The MSM is actually sort of right here

Don't gasp too loud, but they have a good point. Hoover threw money at the Great Depression, Bush threw money at this downturn. FDR threw gobs and gobs of money at the Great Depression and Obama is going to throw gobs and gobs of money at this downturn. Both used a strategy that made the situation worse in the Great Depression and both used the same strategy to make this downturn worse.

The comparison ends there. Bush faced down a major security issue and won. So, did FDR. Hoover didn't face down anything. Obama is going to face down the same issue as Bush, but (although I hope that I'm wrong) probably won't be as successful as Bush.