At the top of Wednesday’s CBS Early Show co-host Julie Chen declared: “Caroline Kennedy gets a boost in her quest to become a Senator from the woman she hopes to replace.” Later, co-host Harry Smith introduced a segment about Kennedy’s qualifications: “There are reports this morning that Senator Hillary Clinton has told her supporters to stop questioning if Caroline Kennedy is qualified to replace her. Kennedy is the latest in a long line of high-profile candidates who have sought a Senate seat. So, what actually qualifies someone to be a Senator?”
In the report that followed, White House correspondent Bill Plante acknowledged criticism of Kennedy’s qualifications, even quoting New York Democratic Congressman Gary Ackerman, who compared Kennedy to Jennifer Lopez. However, Plante then brushed such concerns aside, instead praising Kennedy’s celebrity status: “Caroline Kennedy is just the latest celebrity to seek a Senate seat. In 1974, astronaut John Glenn won a Senate seat in Ohio. Bill Bradley won election to the Senate from New Jersey in 1979...Governor Patterson of New York, who will appoint the person to fill that Senate seat, has to run in two years. Who wouldn't want to run with a Kennedy on the ticket, who can raise lots of cash?”
Following Plante’s report, Smith discussed the issue with Al Sharpton and former New York Republican Congresswoman, Susan Molinari. He first got reaction from Sharpton, who defended Kennedy’s qualifications: “I think that she's qualified to run. And I encouraged her to -- I told her that when someone told me that someone with a high-profile name that had never held office couldn't make it well in the Senate, that person was Hillary Clinton when she came to Harlem to my headquarters...She's succeeding someone that had faced the same arguments if, in fact, the governor appoints her.”
Smith then turned to Molinari and asked: “If you want to do this for a living, do you think -- I mean, we don't know that much about Caroline Kennedy, if she has that kind of fire in her belly.” Molinari offered some criticism, but like Smith’s question, it centered around Caroline Kennedy’s toughness, not her lack of experience: “You need to have, particularly at a time like this, you need to be able to have almost, you know, excuse the expression, but razor blades on your elbows...Does she have sort of that gumption to get in there and push other states out of the way and fight for New York?”
Sharpton later jumped in and pointed to celebrity Republicans to justify the appointment of Kennedy: “And remember now, the Republicans, in all due respect to Susan Molinari, who I have respect for. They gave us a billionaire, Mayor Bloomberg, for Mayor of New York, who no one thought could do retail politics...They've given us Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had never done a grade A movie, let alone run a state. So I mean, all of a sudden they have a different set of qualifications for Caroline Kennedy?” Smith failed to challenge Sharpton by pointing out that Bloomberg and Schwarzenegger were both elected to office not appointed. The same was true of Bill Plante’s examples of John Glenn and Bill Bradley.
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
7:00AM TEASE:
JULIE CHEN: And Caroline Kennedy gets a boost in her quest to become a Senator from the woman she hopes to replace. What Hillary Clinton's telling her supporters.
7:12AM TEASE:
HARRY SMITH: Coming up, Caroline Kennedy, the debate over whether she has what it takes to be a U.S. Senator.
7:16AM SEGMENT:
HARRY SMITH: There are reports this morning that Senator Hillary Clinton has told her supporters to stop questioning if Caroline Kennedy is qualified to replace her. Kennedy is the latest in a long line of high-profile candidates who have sought a Senate seat. So, what actually qualifies someone to be a Senator? Here's CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante.
RICK LAZIO: My opponent has talked and talked. But she's done nothing for New York.
BILL PANTE: Former Congressman Rick Lazio was talking about Hillary Clinton when she first ran. Caroline Kennedy is also getting flak, even from members of her own party. New York Congressman Gary Ackerman said, quote, 'I don't know what Caroline Kennedy's qualifications are, except that she has name recognition, but so does J. Lo.' yes but-
DAVID MARK [POLITICO]: Name recognition is huge if your running in a big state.
PLANTE: Caroline Kennedy is just the latest celebrity to seek a Senate seat. In 1974, astronaut John Glenn won a Senate seat in Ohio. Bill Bradley won election to the Senate from New Jersey in 1979. So what does it take to be a Senator? The Constitution says only that you must be 30 years old, a citizen of the U.S. for at least 9 years, and a resident of the state in which you're running. But these days, there's something else you need -- money. The person appointed to fill Senator Clinton's seat will have to run again on his or her own in two years and then again two years after that when Clinton's term would have expired, takes a lot of cash. But wait, there's more. Governor Patterson of New York, who will appoint the person to fill that Senate seat, has to run in two years. Who wouldn't want to run with a Kennedy on the ticket, who can raise lots of cash? Bill Plante, CBS News, the White House.
SMITH: We are joined now by Reverend Al Sharpton and Susan Molinari, a former Congresswoman from New York, good morning to you both.
AL SHARPTON: Good morning.
SUSAN MOLINARI: Good morning.
SMITH: Reverend, let me ask you first, you got a call from Caroline Kennedy, what did she say?
AL SHARPTON: She said she was very interested in running and that if the governor appointed her, she would serve. And I've known her work in education and in other areas in the state. I told her I was not supporting anyone, this particular decision would be made by Governor Patterson and I would trust his judgment. But I think that she's qualified to run. And I encouraged her to -- I told her that when someone told me that someone with a high-profile name that had never held office couldn't make it well in the Senate, that person was Hillary Clinton when she came to Harlem to my headquarters.
SMITH: Right.
SHARPTON: She's succeeding someone that had faced the same arguments if, in fact, the governor appoints her.
SMITH: The thing about Hillary Clinton, though, she went county, to county, to county, to county, in her run for the Senate in New York State. Susan Molinari, this is retail politics. If you want to do this for a living, do you think -- I mean, we don't know that much about Caroline Kennedy, if she has that kind of fire in her belly.
MOLINARI: Well, and I think that's it. I think you've hit the nail on the head. Should she have an opportunity? I mean, look, she seems very, you know, articulate, intelligent, has done, you know, great philanthropic work for the city of New York. But you've hit the nail on the head. You need to have, particularly at a time like this, you need to be able to have almost, you know, excuse the expression, but razor blades on your elbows. Whoever represents New York State going into all this -- the major problems that we're going to be having over the economy, there's going to be major fights for the TARP funds. Do they go to the companies in Michigan or the banks in New York? You know, highway bills, stimulus packages. It's going to be New York versus every other state. Does she have sort of that gumption to get in there and push other states out of the way and fight for New York? And that goes to the fire in the belly. And that is one thing Senator Clinton was able to accomplish during her listening tour. At the end of that, before the election, people sat back and said, 'she's willing to do the retail politics.'
SMITH: Right, she changed a lot of minds, yeah.
MOLINARI: We don't know that Caroline is -- you bet.
SMITH: Alright, Reverend Sharpton, what do you think?
SHARPTON: Yeah, but I think that's a bogus argument. The reason that Caroline Kennedy is not having to go co county-by-county is she's filling the seat the governor resigned. No one in the running here is going county-to-county. This is one man's decision.
SMITH: Right, right, sure.
SHARPTON: So it's not a fair comparison.
SMITH: Gotcha.
SHARPTON: We will see if she can go county-to-county if she's chosen. And remember now, the Republicans, in all due respect to Susan Molinari, who I have respect for. They gave us a billionaire, Mayor Bloomberg, for Mayor of New York, who no one thought could do retail politics.
SMITH: Right.
SHARPTON: They've given us Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had never done a grade A movie, let alone run a state. So I mean, all of a sudden they have a different set of qualifications for Caroline Kennedy?
SMITH: And here's the thing Susan Molinari, the difference between campaigning for Barack Obama, you're riding business class, you start running for Senate, you're back in coach. There's a whole different deal.
MOLINARI: Well, you're back in coach in the media-
SHARPTON: Bloomberg owned the plane.
SMITH: [Laughter] Real quick, Susan.
MOLINARI: Well, there are some exceptions. And the media's going to treat her much differently. So we'll see how she holds up. Look, it's great that everybody wants to serve in public.
SMITH: Susan Molinari, thank you very much. Reverend Sharpton, do appreciate it.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.





















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Caroline vs. Sarah
December 17, 2008 - 17:20 ET by NorthCoasterWhich one has more experience?
Easy...
December 17, 2008 - 17:27 ET by MightyMouthCaroline has more experience... at having a charmed life.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Drudge says it's a done deal!
December 17, 2008 - 21:28 ET by motherbeltAnd Drudge has it up tonight....It's Caroline, Like It Or Not
Bloomberg (you know, the Republican mayor of NYC!)is pushing buttons and greasing the wheels...and it's Kennedy (lose the Schlossberg).
But apparently, some Democrats aren't all that happy.....
Just precious...she's all
December 17, 2008 - 21:30 ET by bigtimerJust precious...she's all wrapped and ready to go, with a big bow on the package...now if she can just learn to walk with some grace, let alone talk with some.
Just because I feel like throwing this in real quick...I despise Bloomberg.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Pay for Play
December 18, 2008 - 08:53 ET by PicnicSo far the major factors in her favor the media are playing up are how she will bring in tons of campaign donations to democratic candidates and her pedigree. Sounds pretty much like pay for play to me. She has zero experience...she has sat on boards and trusts, and led a very private and privileged life as "Mrs. Schlossberg". Perhaps she is facing the empty nest/mid-life identity crisis part of her life and is looking for the unconditional love and adoration the press is giving her. I don't know, but whatever her reasons, we have so many problems here in NY, we don't need this princess and the Kennedy fairy tale being revived. Gov. Patterson is trying to get something like 137 new taxes in place here. I am sickened by the media's presentation of her as a legitimate "candidate" for the Senate. Other than, perhaps, having a country estate here in "upstate NY" (like so many Hollywood and recording stars, Wall Street millionaires, writers and other elitists)- what interest or knowlege does she have about New York State- the people, the economy, etc, etc. This is bull and I am sick of it.
As a fellow New Yorker I am
December 18, 2008 - 09:22 ET by Scuba DudeAs a fellow New Yorker I am in complete agreement with you Picnic. If she wants to become a Senator, run in an election and let the people decide if they want you. It worked for Slithery.
This state is facing numerous problems right now and I want someone who will WORK at fixing them, not out raising funds for another politicians campaign.
I love how all the standards
December 17, 2008 - 17:35 ET by MrSnugglesI love how all the standards that Republicans were held up to before the election have all but dissapeared.
Standards??? We don't need
December 17, 2008 - 20:26 ET by motherbeltStandards??? We don't need no stinking standards!! This is a Kennedy!! (The Schlossberg name gets kicked to the curb....)
As I said earlier, she had no interest in actually running for and proving herself qualified to be a Senator, but if they'll just hand her a seat, she'll take it.
It's all about fame and celebrity to the liberals.
December 17, 2008 - 17:38 ET by c5thenQualifications are just something to bash the conservatives with. No liberal ever needs 'em. In fact they are a detriment because those with qualifications are harder to get to do what they are told.
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
Their "qualifications" are
December 17, 2008 - 20:30 ET by motherbeltTheir "qualifications" are that they are who they are!
She's a Kennedy. It's "fitting" that she have it!
The Divine Right of Kennedys!
The Rightous Brothers
December 17, 2008 - 17:42 ET by jdlybrandnewsisblues
Does anyone besides me wish Al and Jesse would just go away? Why do these "shakedown" artists have credibility with the media? Oh; that's right, the media have no credibility either.
→ Self Righteous Brothers
December 17, 2008 - 17:50 ET by Cool ArrowPerhaps you haven't noticed, but the Brothers Shakedown are getting a bare minimum of airplay since the coming of B. Hussein Obama.
He maketh them to lie down, roll over, and play dead.
The thing of it is,
December 17, 2008 - 17:51 ET by MidAmericaThe thing of it is, there isn't truly a democrat party anymore. They have been replaced by the media party. Whether Caroline is qualified or admired or just what the state of New York needs will be determined in editorial rooms of the media not in the meeting rooms of the DNC. For many past elections the media has watched in horror as democrats lost elections many thought they should win. Media power players used to be content with issuing advice to democrats on how to win. Now, like impatient parents, they have decided to run the campaigns and counter the Republican's on the issues themselves. The media has always been biased but now they are the opposing party.
You could name
December 17, 2008 - 17:51 ET by fonzie2178a dog Kennedy and put it on the ballot, it would win anywhere in New England. Talk about Senate Seat Security. I hear you're not supposed to accept car rides from her though...
REAL conservative in '12... PLEASE!!!
Selecting a senator...
December 17, 2008 - 17:53 ET by ex buff e-dubOooh!!! Ooooh!! Mister Kot...ter!! Pick me! Pick me! I wanna be da next senator!!
Vinnie Barbarino..."Shaddup Horshak!" "Wahddya tawkin' about?!!
eb... LOL...oh those
December 17, 2008 - 18:00 ET by bigtimereb...
LOL...oh those memories...
You can also be sure Diane DeGette and Salazar's bro are both saying those same words in Co. to Gov. Ritter right about now.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Of course Kennedy is
December 17, 2008 - 17:56 ET by SickofLibsOf course Kennedy is qualified in Sharpton's view. He thought HE was qualified to be President in '04 with only a HS diploma.
SHARPTON: Yeah, but I think that's a bogus argument. The reason that Caroline Kennedy is not having to go county-by-county is she's filling the seat the governor resigned.
What? So Kennedy is filling Spitzer's Gov. seat? Or Gov. Clinton's seat? Or WTF is he talking about? This is the Early Show at it's best; no challenges, corrections or facts required.
(and Gawd, do I loathe that tapdancing termite Harriet Smith)
Since obama should know that
December 17, 2008 - 18:02 ET by pitter43Since obama should know that he needs all the help he can get did he ever think of appointing someone that knew something instead of a know-nothing socialite and pay back a debt? Then there's the small matter of having a drunken murderer for an uncle
They gave us a billionaire,
December 17, 2008 - 19:31 ET by fitzfongThey gave us a billionaire, Mayor Bloomberg, for Mayor of New York, who no one thought could do retail politics...They've given us Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had never done a grade A movie, let alone run a state. So I mean, all of a sudden they have a different set of qualifications for Caroline Kennedy?
Gee, Al. Thanks for unintentionally proving our point. True or not, I'll concede the argument that Caroline Kennedy is just as qualified to be a Senator as Bloomberg was to be a Mayor and Schwarzenegger was to be a Governor. Is that really your best argument under the circumstances? Both have been unmitigated failures. Why should we not expect Caroline Kennedy to be yet another failure?
Besides, I hear the Olsen twins currently live in New York. Surely they possess the same qualifications as Caroline Kennedy does...after all, they're famous for being famous, too.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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fitz... Plus let's don't
December 17, 2008 - 19:37 ET by bigtimerfitz...
Plus let's don't forget The Nanny Fran Drescher (sp) throwing her hat in the ring.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
"Oh, Mister Sheffield!"
December 17, 2008 - 19:56 ET by Chris Norman"Oh, Mister Sheffield!"
one more
December 18, 2008 - 08:30 ET by AJBdon't forget that a$$clown for senator in Minnesota... al franknbeans... looks like he'll succeed in stealing it there...
gotta love it fitz
December 17, 2008 - 20:30 ET by candanceRepublicans gave us Arnold, so we have carte blanche to appoint whatever unqualified person we like! Nevermind that Republican voices from Ann Coulter to Rush Limbaugh tried to warn us that Arnold was unqualified, and nevermind all the other Republicans who learned their lesson when he turned into a failure!
I swear, history begins anew every morning with these people.
I'm a typical white person.
candance, I voted for the
December 17, 2008 - 20:50 ET by fitzfongcandance,
I voted for the recall and for Arnold Schwarzenegger. He was far from my first choice, but the recall wouldn't have succeeded without Schwarzenegger winning. I figured anyone (including Cruz Bustamante) would be better than Gray Davis. Boy did I turn out to be wrong!
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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arnie...a decision i do not regret
December 17, 2008 - 21:18 ET by porpoiseboyvoted for recall......not for arnie. i then did not vote again for him. he is an airhead. he also makes mcrino look conservative. but then, he is a perfect fit for cali....full of airheads. they all vote in the last election for BILLIONS in bond measures....selling their kids & grandkids futures down the river. how are they going to pay for it? the state is beyond broke!! the bond rating is so low the interest is going to kill them for YEARS! then they vote in favor of regulating the egg industry and how they cage CHICKENS!! a billion dollar industry with about 4000 jobs that will mostly leave the state and send their product in from surrounding states and mexico. brilliant!
"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason" Ben Franklin
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
You'll get no argument from
December 17, 2008 - 22:45 ET by fitzfongYou'll get no argument from me, pal. I wish I had been like you and my father. My dad voted for the recall, but would not vote for Schwarzenfailure. He voted for Tom McClintock.
I had lost all faith in the Governor by the time the 2006 election came around...but I didn't want to risk that communist Phil Angelides would get elected. But really, how much difference would it have made? In retrospect, I wish Angelides had won.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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Smith being silly and
December 17, 2008 - 19:53 ET by Andrew H.Smith being silly and predictably enthused over celebrity liberals ruling the day.
With Schumer and Clinton (at least they both won an election) the senate delegation from New York would go from bieng merely farsical to an absolutely a bad joke.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Single biggest requirement for political office...
December 17, 2008 - 19:54 ET by TucsonicanThe obvious answer is that the single biggest qualification is how much money you can raise. If you can get people to come to your events and shell out LOTS of cash then you have all the qualifications the party apparatus requires. If putting your face on TV brings more viewers then the media will back you as well.
This talk about qualifications is just silly. There is no longer a need to know or to stand for anything in particular. I mean, really now, did any of you learn ANYTHING from this past election? America just elected a guy to the office of president that hasn't even proved his citizenship; has a whole slew of relationships with felons, terrorists and racists; that thinks the Constitution is flawed and needs to give the government more power; that wants to punish people for making "too much" money; that campaigned for a foreign, communist, dictator; that still hasn't admitted that the surge in Iraq effectively allowed that country to rid itself of terrorists; and other stuff that I'm certainly leaving out. Oh yeah...the guy didn't have any significant experience either but he was able to raise something like $6 Billion!!!! What other qualification could you possibly want?
Some say tomato...
December 17, 2008 - 20:11 ET by acumenWell, in all fairness to Caroline, she is every bit as qualified as the current holder of the seat.
elect anybody
December 17, 2008 - 20:11 ET by m1xramHey, I get it! We'll elect anybody, we've done it before and we'll do it again. Need proof: DC mayor, Detroit mayor, Atlantic City mayor, Jersey City mayor, the "Culture of Corruption" must continue! And, to do it, we need to "raise lots of cash". So, how much do they want for a Senator's seat in NY? I'll have to check my freezer for the down payment.
I do take exception to the John Glenn mention. He was an astronaut first and a celeb afterwards. We certainly don't send lawyers into orbit. I know what you're thinking... but I'm not going to say it. :-)
got one thing to say
December 17, 2008 - 20:32 ET by candanceNot a peep about Sarah Palin's "inexperience" ever again.
I'm a typical white person.
Point taken, candance
December 17, 2008 - 22:44 ET by JerNot a peep about Sarah Palin's "inexperience" ever again
Point taken, candance [although I was never one of Palin's detractors].
However, it is important to remember that, unlike Palin, Kennedy will not be potentially a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Jer
oh of course jer
December 17, 2008 - 23:24 ET by candanceWe should only appoint celebrities to smaller, less powerful jobs like being a Senator, and then in two years when they start campaigning for president, we can explain that Jesus was a celebrity too so it's all good.
Appointing someone with zero experience to the Senate < electing a governor to be VP.
Nice logic there.
I'm a typical white person.
you can do better than that, candance...
December 18, 2008 - 00:03 ET by Jeryoy can do better than that, candance...
Caroline Kennedy...just a celebrity? Like Paris Hilton, perhaps? C'mon, the woman is a member of probably the most politically oriented family in recent American history--maybe all of American history.
And what in heaven's name is your purpose in injecting Jesus into the debate? Speaking of diversionary argumentation, well, wow!
By the way, Reagan had virtually zero political experiece prior to his gubernatorial run, and he did rather well, then and thereafter. If Caroline is appointed and is a bust, her career will no doubt prove a limited one.
Jer
Candance: 1 Troll: 0
December 18, 2008 - 00:14 ET by Free StinkerCandance: 1
Troll: 0
he's right jer
December 18, 2008 - 00:17 ET by porpoiseboyyou are a troll. hey but with all the foreclosures lately it probably isn't as lonely under the bridge as it used to be....is it?
"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason" Ben Franklin
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
flipper...You wouldn't
December 18, 2008 - 00:54 ET by Jerflipper...You wouldn't recognize a troll if you swam into the middle of a troll convention. When you can formulate a question or a comment containing just a modicum of intelligent thought--and devoid of name-calling--I'll be more than happy to respond.
Jer
Porpoiseboy,You devalue
December 18, 2008 - 11:50 ET by fitzfongPorpoiseboy,
You devalue your argument when you call a long-time, thoughtful contributor like Jer a "troll". Trolls are simply agitators, they bring no substance to the debate...they show up, drop a few pejorative non-sequiturs to stir up anger (you know, like "all you hate-filled Republicans"), and either flee the scene or stick around to further annoy like common pests. I happen to disagree with Jer on this issue...not the first time, and probably not the last...but anyone who's been here for a while knows Jer to be a firm, fair, respectful poster who seeks discussion and who is genuinely interested in your point-of-view.
That said, I believe Caroline Kennedy's imminent appointment has less to do with the whole Camelot racket and more to do with Chuck Schumer. Hear me out. I think Paterson wants to pick Andrew Cuomo. Presumably, Paterson will seek to be elected Governor in two years. For some reason, Andrew Cuomo, another thug in the Eliot Spitzer mold, is seen as a real up-and-comer in the New York Democratic Party. Northeastern Blue States tend to love those legacy politicians (the Kennedys, the Caseys, the Clintons, the Cuomos, etc.), and Andrew Cuomo is thought to be using his current position as AG...the new "Sheriff of Wall Street"...as a stepping stone to higher office. This means Governor of New York. It is thought that Cuomo may want to take a shot in 2010 as it gives him his first (and maybe last) best chance. As an unelected Governor, Paterson may be vulnerable to a primary challenger...especially a high-profile one like Cuomo. A self-interested Paterson would want to get Cuomo out of the way, and the best way to do that would be to appoint him to a position of similar prestige...the U.S. Senate. But I think Paterson has been overruled. Depending on how the next two years go, some House and Senate Democrats are likely to be quite vulnerable in the mid-term elections. Harry Reid will certainly have a big target on his back because he's the Majority Leader, the face of the Democrats in the Senate and a divisive partisan liberal from a typically Red State. Schumer is a smug, slimy, detestable, personality-challenged, heavy-handed partisan hack, but he may not be as vulnerable to defeat as Reid should be...as he comes from an unquestionably Blue State. However, if the next two years go badly, and Schumer is seen to have had the negative influence that he most definitely has had, Democratic turnout could soften, Republican turnout could spike and he could be in for a fight to save his job. Caroline Kennedy provides Schumer with political cover...as Northeastern liberals, for some reason, love to turn out to vote for legacies, especially the Kennedys. Caroline Kennedy would have to run as an incumbent in two years (and, I believe, in two years after)...and her presence would likely attract enough starry-eyed Kennedy worshippers who will vote (D) straight down the line...ultimately keeping Schumer off the thin ice.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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fitz....I have another theory
December 18, 2008 - 11:58 ET by BlondeI have another theory why Caroline Kennedy is a shoe-in for HRC's senate seat...and it's tried and true.
Follow the money.
With Her Highness esconced as SecState, there is a huge need for a fundraising superstar other than Obama....and Caroline Kennedy (whatever happened to the Schlossberg?) is it. Bill & Hill are yesterday's news, but the heir to the Camelot throne will be a dollar magnet for the entire democrat party. And if she's handed this seat on a silver spoon (sorry!), she'll be obliged to return the favor by throwing her considerable fund-raising weight behind her fellow dems.
BTW, I agree with you 100% about Jer, he's a valued member here, albeit on the other side of the political fence.
Blonde, No doubt, you're
December 18, 2008 - 12:28 ET by fitzfongBlonde,
No doubt, you're right. Caroline's primary (hell, her only) purpose as Senator will be to use her/her immediate family's popularity as capital in protecting the seats of less popular (or in Schumer's case, more unpopular) Democrat Senators. Caroline will be like Bob Casey of Pennsylvania...a do-nothing Junior Senator who shows up primarily for photo-ops and, if required to speak, will only use lofty, meaningless platitudes and exit stage left. She will not be required to answer any questions...certainly any tough questions, because the media is not interested in putting her on the defensive. But don't bury the Clintons just yet. Chelsea will be 30 by Election Day 2010. I have several theories on that: 1) Blagojevich will circumvent all the opposition surrounding him and appoint a seat warmer for the Senate. That appointment will be DOA, leaving Chelsea the opportunity to run for the seat in 2010. After all, Illinois is Hillary's home state. 2) Caroline will play the role as seat warmer for Chelsea. Lacking the stomach to run an actual campaign, Caroline will use the appointment as a two-year paid vacation and will walk away with a fat Senate pension in two years...endorsing Chelsea as her replacement as Chelsea runs for her mother's old seat. 3) Eric Holder resigns as AG in 2010 or 2011, Obama nominates Dick Durbin to replace him. Durbin gets confirmed and the Governor of Illinois (probably still Blagojevich) picks Chelsea.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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OMG fitz!
December 18, 2008 - 12:47 ET by BlondeSterlize them already!
I am sick to death of the political "dynasties".....and your Chelsea scenario has my stomach churning. The poor thing got the worst of both parents, and even after all the work she's had done, she has a horse face worse than Prince Charles. And although she rarely opens her mouth in public, I get the impression that she's shines at about 40 watts.
Your "seat warmer" approach is spot-on...I understand Joe the Mouth is having much the same done for his son Beau (you know, he's a lawyer in Iraq), who shall assume the seat upon his return.
Someone posted this the other day, so it's not an original thought, but rather apropos. Why don't we just rename the Senate the House of Lords and be done with it already. Sheesh!
Thank you for your support,
December 18, 2008 - 21:25 ET by JerThank you for your support, Blonde. For the record, I'm not always on the "other side of the political fence". Sometimes I sit on it. :-)
Jer
fitz...Your gracious words
December 18, 2008 - 21:31 ET by Jerfitz...Your gracious words are much appreciated. Thanks.
Regarding your analysis of the byzantine state of NY politics....well, Machiavelli himself would no doubt be impressed. Not saying you're necessarily correct, mind you, but very interesting indeed.
Jer
By the way, you may have seen the same poll I did this morning. It appears NY Dems actually prefer Cuomo over Kennedy--something like 28% to 23%. (I don't know how the other 49% responded.) However, the majority believed that Paterson would appoint Kennedy.
wow Jer
December 18, 2008 - 21:39 ET by candanceA Democrat governor ignoring the will of the people to appoint the person who will represent them in Congress? That's unbelievable!
I thought only George Bush gave cushy jobs to unqualified friends....
I'm a typical white person.
No worries, Jer. We've
December 19, 2008 - 00:50 ET by fitzfongNo worries, Jer. We've been regular guests here for quite a while...so we're here because we enjoy discussing this stuff, bouncing ideas and theories off each other. Frankly, some of the best content on this site comes from when you and Noel go toe-to-toe on one issue or another. You're usually advocating opposing viewpoints, but you give each other the latitude to fully explain your points of view. That makes for good reading.
Out here on the Island, there was a bit of talk that Peter King (my Congressman) would immediately throw his hat in the ring for this seat in 2010...and this was supposed to give Caroline pause (of course, Newsday was suggesting that King was not averse to getting dirty...hmmm, no bias there). Personally, I would love to see Giuliani take on Schumer in 2010, but I'm afraid that Rudy would be more inclined to face off with Caroline than with Chuckie. In my opinion, somebody big has to take on Schumer because he's a really dangerous, heavy-handed individual...totally undeserving of another six years. But his Goldman Sachs mob will get him reelected.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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well mr fitz...
December 18, 2008 - 21:50 ET by porpoiseboymy opinion of jer's "trollness" is shared by many here at nb....being a PIA for a long time does not add relevancy to most of his dissents.
"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason" Ben Franklin
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
Really, porpoiseboy?
December 18, 2008 - 22:19 ET by JerReally, porpoiseboy? Have you conducted a "troll poll"? You have posted exactly three comments about me, or to me. 1.) To call me a troll, 2.) To announce that many share your opinion, and 3.) To address me as "dimwit".
Outstanding contributions, sir. You are a true asset to the site.
Jer
my opinion of jer's
December 19, 2008 - 01:10 ET by fitzfongmy opinion of jer's "trollness" is shared by many here at nb
Many? Really? Define many. If you can find more than yourself and Free Stinker (and I believe Free Stinker is being at least partially tongue-in-cheek...the scoreboard has been around for a while), I will be shocked.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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HI Fitz
December 21, 2008 - 00:16 ET by shawn228Wow, long time no talk. Hope you adjusting to the the New York Winter. Must a big change for Calfornia huh?
I too would be curious to see who else agrees with porpoise boy on Jer being a troll. I hate blanket statements like that, unless they can be backed up.
Most of the posters on this site are great, I gotten to like and care about many of them. Heck there is not one liberal in my buddy list except for dearly departed Leon who is now Gingerman and cannot delete from my list
Of the conservatives that are on my buddy list I got into argument at one time or another, now I consider them to be friends. Which goes to show the majority of the posters can be reasoned with.
He had my vote
Hey buddy. Yeah, it's
December 21, 2008 - 00:40 ET by fitzfongHey buddy. Yeah, it's great to hear from you, and I'm glad that you're still around. My wife and I spent most of the morning scraping hardened snow off all our car windows before running errands. The main streets have been plowed, but we have to negotiate around packed snow on our street. I was thinking this morning of asking Johnny Mathis what the hell a "wonderland" of snow is. Fortunately, most of our Christmas shopping is done, but with the weather, it's too much trouble to go into the city to check out all the Christmas decorations. We were there on Monday, and we saw the Rockefeller Center tree and the ice rink...but we were kind of rushed because we were actually in for my semi-annual doctor's treatment. Waiting rooms, drawn blood, sitting around in a windowless room for several hours...you tend to forget where you are. If I have time this week, I'll go in again to soak it all up...work is slowing up for the end of the year. But after all this snow and Paterson's "why don't we just tax all business out of state", we may consider moving to friendlier climes. :-) I hear Texas is nice.
As for porpoiseboy, I think he has "opinion" confused with "fact". I think I've even been called a troll on this site once or twice. If you look at my buddy list, I have you, Jer and Jason C. and thecurator, among others. Each of you has given me a hell of a challenge on a number of occasions, and I have learned a lot about myself. As far as I'm concerned, the site would suffer from the absence of you guys.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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Free Stinker...
December 18, 2008 - 00:47 ET by JerFree Stinker...
Considering your rather long tenure at NB, I thought by now you would surely have advanced beyond these silly, senseless lists. I was wrong.
Jer
Gee Jer
December 18, 2008 - 00:19 ET by ahusserObama is the heartbeat and he is less qualified than Palin was. A governor has a budget, employees, CIC of the National Guard etc. maybe some things you would want in a President. NAH! what am I thinking!
Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. From a Poster
Jer, Reagan at least RAN
December 18, 2008 - 00:24 ET by Scuba DudeJer,
Reagan at least RAN for Governor. He laid out his vision and talked about what he would do if he were ELECTED. WTF is Caroline Kennedy-SCHLOSSBURG's vision? What if anything has she done? Because she is a Kennedy she should immediatly be granted a seat in the Senate bypassing numerous and more qualified politicians from both sides of the aisle? That does not sound like a democracy to me.
I live in NY and I do not want to see her anywhere near the Senate unless she runs a campaign for it and is ELECTED. If she gets the seat it will be because of a name that for many years she did not choose to use and because this will be payback for backing the Allmighty Shahinshah coke-head Obama.
I can do better?
December 18, 2008 - 00:24 ET by candanceSince I kind of answered that in a hurry, let's go through this a little more...
Caroline Kennedy...just a celebrity? Like Paris Hilton, perhaps? C'mon, the woman is a member of probably the most politically oriented family in recent American history--maybe all of American history.
So your defense here is that being a Kennedy has earned her the birthright of being a Senator, and she doesn't even have to campaign for it! If that doesn't sound like a royal monarchy system then I don't know what does...
Say, the Bushes are a pretty politically oriented family, yet you never give that much allowance to them.
And what in heaven's name is your purpose in injecting Jesus into the debate? Speaking of diversionary argumentation, well, wow!
Since you missed my point there, we shall try it again. Obama arrived in the Senate literally five years removed from the streets of Chicago, and two years later he started running for president. When pressed about his experience and qualifications, Obama supporters told us that being a community organizer (like Jesus!) was experience enough. If Kennedy decides to run for POTUS in 2012, will you tell me that one term in the Senate and a "politically oriented family" is enough for her to do it?
Reagan had virtually zero political experiece prior to his gubernatorial run
That's the point here Jer...he campaigned, earned the confidence of his fellow citizens, and served them as a governor before seeking higher office. Of course people have to start somewhere, but I do not believe that being *appointed* a Senate seat because you sneak in on your daddy's coat tails is quite the same thing.
If Caroline is appointed and is a bust, her career will no doubt prove a limited one.
Ah, you mean like Rod Blagojevich (re elected), Arnold Schwarzenegger (re elected), and all the other incompetent dolts who run DC?
Face it Jer, if Caroline Kennedy was a tongue talking Pentecostal being handed a Senate seat by George Bush you'd be counting off the reasons why she was a bad choice.
I'm a typical white person.
candance... [and ahusser
December 18, 2008 - 01:22 ET by Jercandance...
[and ahusser and scuba dude]
I think you are reading far too much into my comment. Frankly, I think experience, or the lack of same, were and are legitimate issues with Palin, and Obama, and Kennedy [Slossburg]. Personally, I never felt they were disqualifying factors regarding either Palin or Obama, but, certainly the case can be made that it is, or should be, a more significant issue when associated with a Presidential or Vice-Presidential candidate, as opposed to a two-year senatorial term.
And the dismissive reference to Kennedy as a "celebrity" is both unfair and facile. Furthermore, since she is not a "tongue talking Pentecostal", and George Bush cannot constitutionally fill senate seats, what is your point? Give me real world examples.
Jer
me again Jer :)
December 18, 2008 - 01:40 ET by candanceFrankly, I think experience, or the lack of same, were and are legitimate issues
Why didn't you just say this all along instead of insisting her birthright was good enough?
the case can be made that it is, or should be, a more significant issue when associated with a Presidential or Vice-Presidential candidate, as opposed to a two-year senatorial term.
so it's okay to appoint inexperienced people as long as they're only Senators. got it. and when that two year term becomes a bid for the White House, hey, at least they've served a term in the Senate...
And the dismissive reference to Kennedy as a "celebrity" is both unfair and facile.
Why? What has she done to distinguish herself otherwise? Written a few books? Dog the Bounty Hunter wrote a book. Joe the Plumber wrote a book. She isn't famous because of any great deeds or any compelling vision - she's famous because of her last name. She's famous for being famous. If you can think of any better reason why she's famous I'm all ears.
Give me real world examples.
Here's you a real world example...a Senator from Lousiana moves up to the White House, and Jindal announces that Michael Reagan will be given the seat because A) he's a Reagan B) he can raise lots of cash and C)he's written books before.
I'm a typical white person.
candance...
December 18, 2008 - 02:17 ET by JerWhy didn't you just say this all along instead of insisting her birthright was good enough?
Because I don't believe her birthright, in and of itself, is good enough. However, I believe that the birthright inasmuch it is borne of a family steeped in as much political lore as the Kennedys--her father did just happen to be President--coupled with her long-time devotion to public service, and the fact that her term in office is potentially limited to two years--offer a legitimate counterbalance to the experience issue [although the latter is definitely a consideration].
True, I would have a serious problem with Dog the Bounty Hunter. Contrariwise, and ironically, I had thought of Michael Reagan as a somewhat analogous example--a revered name, an interest in political issues, but no experience with holding office. I would have no strong objection in his case.
Jer
Jer the Monarchist
December 18, 2008 - 07:34 ET by UnsaneHowever, I believe that the birthright inasmuch it is borne of a family steeped in as much political lore as the Kennedys--her father did just happen to be President--coupled with her long-time devotion to public service, and the fact that her term in office is potentially limited to two years--offer a legitimate counterbalance to the experience issue [although the latter is definitely a consideration]. So? My old man ground lenses before to make eyeglasses. He had, for all intents and purposes, an optical shop in the backyard. He even ground my first pair of eyeglasses there. (How many people can say that they had eyeglasses custom-made and ground in their backyard?) Does this mean I possess the necessary acumen for optics and thus have a birthright to an optical shop?
Just because she comes from a "politically oriented family" doesn't mean one damn thing and does NOT legitimately counterbalance the experience issue - unless of course you believe in monarchy and hereditary rule all of a sudden.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
My old man ground lenses
December 18, 2008 - 20:22 ET by JerMy old man ground lenses before to make eyeglasses. He had, for all intents and purposes, an optical shop in the backyard. He even ground my first pair of eyeglasses there....Does this mean I possess the necessary acumen for optics and thus have a birthright to an optical shop?
No, but if I knew your father, and were intimately familiar with his talent and dedication to his craft, and were now impressed by your current if belated eagerness to follow in his footsteps, I just might be willing to give you special consideration for that optical shop loan.
And no, I need not be a monarchist or an advocate of primogeniture--I am neither of course--to believe family backgound, coupled with other factors, are legitimate considerations. And I certainly didn't intend to suggest that one's "birthright" in and of itself was a sufficient entitlement. Indeed, I believe I stated just the opposite.
Jer
ahem
December 18, 2008 - 21:18 ET by candanceCaroline Kennedy...just a celebrity? Like Paris Hilton, perhaps? C'mon, the woman is a member of probably the most politically oriented family in recent American history--maybe all of American history.
You never gave me a good reason why she's more qualified than Bono other than her last name.
I'm a typical white person.
Than Bono?
December 19, 2008 - 03:55 ET by JerThan Bono?
She's a United States citizen. How's that? :-)
Jer
A shockingly poor analogy
December 20, 2008 - 21:40 ET by UnsaneNo, but if I knew your father, and were intimately familiar with his talent and dedication to his craft, and were now impressed by your current if belated eagerness to follow in his footsteps, I just might be willing to give you special consideration for that optical shop loan. Fortunately for many banks across America, you are not a loan officer. Being "intimately familiar with his talent and dedication to his craft" means absolutely, positively, NOTHING. I'd argue I have that now - countless times I have visited optical shops that either he ran as an Army NCO or those of his friends in the private sector. I also helped move the optical equipment in the backyard that would eventually bear my first pair of glasses. Finally, I used to raid his collection of books on optics, the human eye, and eye diseases. Sad to say, if someone handed me the blocks of glass and a prescription and asked me to grind the block to the prescription, not all of the activity described above in the world would be of help. One fatal blow can be delivered to my optical career: I am a mathematical idiot, and optics requires a familiarity with trigonometry, among other disciplines.
In short, the analogy you offered to me is all wet.
I may not live in NY, but I am going to need a TEENSY bit more than someone's last name to impress me if they are a candidate for Senate. She's Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg (sp?), NOT Princess Caroline of the House of Kennedy. Again, much to your chagrin, one of the reasons for that brawl of 1776-1781 was for people on this side of the Atlantic to get away from that crap.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
And a shockingly poor job
December 20, 2008 - 22:08 ET by JerAnd a shockingly poor job of convincing me you're worthy of the limited, time-constrained investment I was considering. Your loan application is denied. I thought you might be a chip off the old block, but you have persuaded me otherwise.
Jer
Hate to disappoint, BUT...
December 21, 2008 - 07:15 ET by UnsaneWell, everytime I see any sort of a depiction of childbirth, one of the beauties of it, in my mind, is that you don't just see the arrival of another human being. You see a completely clean slate, who is so young that you and all the world is clueless about the direction the little one will take. The knowledge of the world of optics is hardly genetic or conferred by birth. Neither, or so I thought, are titles of political office.
Believe me, I can rattle off the names of quite a few people, my father included, who would rather have seen me plunge into the world of optics.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
I give up Jer
December 18, 2008 - 11:03 ET by candanceHer birthright isn't enough to earn her a "real" Senate seat, but a two year stop gap is okay.
You keep insisting that her family name should not be used as a crutch, and then you go right back to pushing it (her father was president!) as if you can't help yourself. As for her long time public service, everyone from Oprah to Bono to Angelina Jolie are dedicated to public service. You never gave me any reason for her being better than the average celebrity.
I really wish you could see that from the outside. Ever since the 60s it's been one set of rules for the Kennedys and another for everyone else. Unsane is correct - we left Europe to escape the idea of hereditary noblemen, and here we are handing it to a president's children.
Like I said before I understand that people have to start somewhere. If Caroline Kennedy had come out with a vision for New York, a plan on how to be a good leader, a compelling reason why she really deserved the chance, I would be more sympathetic. But she's not even doing that - she really believes that being a Kennedy means all she has to do is show up. And even if she spends the next two years doing nothing, the mystique of being a Kennedy will overcome.
I guess this is just the new world we live in. Inexperienced Democrats are given what they want because they deserve it, and if you complain you're either racist or petty. There's change we can really believe in.
I'm a typical white person.
First of all, Palin has
December 19, 2008 - 07:23 ET by BigSky1970First of all, Palin has political experience, whether the media likes it or not. Julie Chen can't even stop long enough to cite evidence where Caroline has been a mayor of a small town and governor of a large state and has met with foreign dignitaries wanting to do business in her state. All she can cite is the fact is Caroline's father was JFK.
There is absolutely no comparison between the two. Julie Chen should just learn to take facts like an adult, and stop trying to insult people's intelligence with this faux rage that somehow Caroline is qualified enough to raise and lower people's taxes. There are plenty of qualified Democrats in New York, and she ain't one of them.
Silliness
December 18, 2008 - 07:25 ET by UnsaneCaroline Kennedy...just a celebrity? Like Paris Hilton, perhaps? C'mon, the woman is a member of probably the most politically oriented family in recent American history--maybe all of American history. I find this comment quite fascinating, Jer. Didn't we fight a war back in the late 18th Century to get away from this whole "divine right" concept of hereditary rule?
And what does her family have to do with it? Has Caroline Kennedy learned politics through osmosis?
You brought up Reagan; but that was a poor example. He began his political experience running a union (the SAG). Let me bring up a BETTER example: George W. Bush. He comes from a politically oriented family. BUT he had to earn his stripes as the governor of TX at least - and as far as I am concerned, though in quite a few ways he disappointed me as President, he was an outstanding Governor of this state.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Why not nominate a Bush?
December 18, 2008 - 12:04 ET by CobraMan"C'mon, the woman is a member of probably the most politically oriented family in recent American history--maybe all of American history."
So, being a member of a "politically oriented family" is reason enough to nominate her? I wonder if you would feel the same way if, say Jenna Bush was nominated for the position? After all, she too is a member of a "politically oriented family," is she not?
Doesn't Jenna's family credentials even eclipse that of Caroline herself? After all TWO Bush's have served in the White House. Wouldn't Jenna be more qualified for the position than Caroline, base upon that "politically oriented family" criteria?
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Is Jenna a Democrat, CobraMan?
December 19, 2008 - 19:14 ET by JerSo, being a member of a "politically oriented family" is reason enough to nominate her?
Nope....and never said so.
I wonder if you would feel the same way if, say Jenna Bush was nominated for the position?
Presuming other factors were comparable--age, intelligence, record of public service, interest in the position, etc.--I believe Jenna's family background would be a positive consideration in choosing someone to fill out a two-year senate term. So, within those parameters, my answer is an emphatic yes.
Jer
Oh, really?
December 20, 2008 - 22:24 ET by CobraMan"Nope....and never said so."
Oh, really? So your statement that "C'mon, the woman is a member of probably the most politically oriented
family in recent American history--maybe all of American history" was, what, color commentary?
Come on, Jer, it's obvious that your were talking about her family background because you believe that it, somehow, helps to justify her appointment.
If you DIDN'T feel this way, you would have said that she is a member of "one of the most FAMOUS families in America." But that's not what you wanted to highlight, You specifically pointed out her POLITICAL ties.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Yes, really, CobraMan...
December 20, 2008 - 23:09 ET by JerYes, really, CobraMan... You mischaracterized my statement as a pronouncement that family background was "reason enough" for the appointment.
I neither said it nor believe it.
Jer
Once again...
December 18, 2008 - 07:17 ET by UnsanePersonally, Jer, I'd rather have Palin one heartbeat away from the Presidency. Actually, I'd rather have her as the President. She has more executive experience than even His Majesty The Shahinshah (awaiting coronation), or really, anyone running for President or VP this last election. (Any attempts to blast her for running a small town - actually a suburb of Anchorage and a fast-growing place - or being the governor of AK will only be successful in revealing your snobbery, so I recommend, for your sake, not to express such sentiments.)
For another thing, she has proven that she gets leadership. For instance, Governor Palin, even though she only is the CinC of the AK NG, went to the desert to visit her troops and see how they were doing in the desert. His Majesty The Shahinshah, on the other hand, in spite of his powers to vote on defense budgets and confirmations for civilian defense officials and officers of flag rank, had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the desert to see how the troops are doing.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Any attempts to blast her
December 18, 2008 - 19:37 ET by JerAny attempts to blast her for running a small town - actually a suburb of Anchorage and a fast-growing place - or being the governor of AK will only be successful in revealing your snobbery, so I recommend, for your sake, not to express such sentiments.
Gosh, since candance mentioned Dog the Bounty Hunter, perhaps I should hire him as a bodyguard, now that you have taken to issuing peremptory threats based on imaginary inferences pulled out of thin air. Maybe you overlooked my explicit observation that I had not been a critic of Palin. I did say that the experience issue is more relevant vis a vis Presidential and V-P candidates--e.g. Obama and Palin, both of whom faced questions in this regard--than for one who is being considered for a two-year stint in the senate. That, I stand by.
Obama was "dragged kicking and screaming" to the desert? Sadly, Unsane, that's the kind of absurd contortion of reality I have become accustomed to expect from you.
Jer
Prove me wrong Jer
December 20, 2008 - 21:53 ET by UnsaneGosh, since candance mentioned Dog the Bounty Hunter, perhaps I should hire him as a bodyguard, now that you have taken to issuing peremptory threats based on imaginary inferences pulled out of thin air. Maybe you overlooked my explicit observation that I had not been a critic of Palin. I did say that the experience issue is more relevant vis a vis Presidential and V-P candidates--e.g. Obama and Palin, both of whom faced questions in this regard--than for one who is being considered for a two-year stint in the senate. That, I stand by. Jer, I don't know where you have been or if you have been "lurking" or not - but many critics of Gov Palin are such out of snobbery (for example, "She's only been a mayor of a small town and a governor of a state of 650,000 people!" What such critics, especially on the Left, would say about Howard Dean's qualifications, they of course do not dare speak of). Therefore, I consider such pre-emption to be unfortunately necessary.
Obama was "dragged kicking and screaming" to the desert? Sadly, Unsane, that's the kind of absurd contortion of reality I have become accustomed to expect from you. Then you explain how I contorted reality. His Majesty The Shahinshah had YEARS to visit the desert and to see how the troops are doing. His Majesty The Shahinshah has a damn good reason to go visit the troops in the desert AND ELSEWHERE. Why? Because He votes on things such as the defense budget and the confirmation of flag rank promotion lists. His Majesty The Shahinshah, as a United States Senator, had much greater sway over military affairs than did Gov Palin.
Note that Gov Palin visited with her AK NG troops even when she was blissfully unaware of what her political future would hold. His Majesty The Shahinshah has for all intents and purposes been running for President since 2005 but only got around to making a highly publicized visit to the AOR in JULY. Hmmm. Why in July 2008??? Why not in July 2007 or July 2006??? Hmmmmm? Hence, "kicking and screaming".
If you can refute that or show me where I am wrong, feel free. Until then, your whine about "absurd contortions of reality" are just that: contortions. And you MAY be sitting on the fence, but you are still facing Left.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Sitting on the fence
December 20, 2008 - 22:13 ET by choselife3xFacing left. Funny, funny, FUNNY.
Can I borrow that? I'll give you credit.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Of course!
December 20, 2008 - 22:32 ET by UnsaneQuote me anytime you like. :-)
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Unsane...
December 20, 2008 - 23:32 ET by Jer...I consider such pre-emption to be unfortunately necessary.
Then I consider it unfortunately necessary to suggest you redirect your peremptory admonitions to the appropriate members of the snobbish Left who have actually made disparaging remarks about Gov. Palin. That would not include me.
I will concede this point: Obama should have previously visited Iraq and Afghanistan. Other than that fact, there is nothing to suggest he had to be "dragged kicking and screaming"--thus my charge of contorting reality. But since we both agree he was wrong to delay the trip for as long as he did, I'll retract those words. There is, however, plenty to suggest he received unjustified criticism about the trip which he did eventually take.
Actually, when sitting on the fence, I always face "right"--to keep my eyes on you guys. :-)
Jer
More on what I think of Him (The Shahinshah)
December 21, 2008 - 07:33 ET by UnsaneDamn, Jer, so you are like the little girl on The Exorcist? Or do you have eyes in the back of your head?
I will concede this point: Obama should have previously visited Iraq and Afghanistan. Other than that fact, there is nothing to suggest he had to be "dragged kicking and screaming"--thus my charge of contorting reality. But since we both agree he was wrong to delay the trip for as long as he did, I'll retract those words. There is, however, plenty to suggest he received unjustified criticism about the trip which he did eventually take. The thing that suggests "kicking and screaming" is his repeated criticisms of both the mission and of the military, about which I would suggest he knows little. AND those criticisms were made without seeing the situations firsthand...again, until July 2008. A brilliant Internet political advertisement I saw featured an Iraqi Freedom vet asking His Majesty The Shahinshah if He was going to meet with General Petraeus without preconditions, since He is so hellbent on doing the same with the Iranians.
And He is still subject to criticism for that trip: for that awful speech in Berlin, and for Him and His campaign's whining about their not being able to visit the wounded troops. Oh, they could have quite easily. But His Majesty The Shahinshah couldn't do it without being photographed with them; something prohibited by military regulations. (Hell, I worked at a hospital on a volunteer basis, and knew countless people there on many different levels as a result of that and other things I shall not get into here - and I was repeatedly told that yes, I could take pictures in the hospital, but not of patients, ever.) That tells me He cared more about the pub than genuinely caring about the troops He will be commanding as the CinC in 29 days.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
These people are morons
December 17, 2008 - 20:54 ET by pbthinkerThe Democrats are always making comparisons that don't quite make it. John Glenn, is that the colonel John Glenn, the astronaut John Glenn. It's not like he starred on a movie and didn't do anything else. Bill Bradley, is that the Rhodes Scholar Bill Bradley. Both Glenn and Bradley had to go out and campaign, answer questions, and face the voters as did Arnold and Bloomberg.
Chances are, Caroline couldn't survive an election so they might as well appoint her as a payoff for helping Obama get elected.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
Caroline is a member of the Lucky Sperm Club
December 17, 2008 - 21:39 ET by R D HelmShe's a K-E-N-N-E-D-Y.
In the minds of MSM fools like Harry Smith, that fact alone makes her qualified for just about anything.
Now that I think about it, Caroline Kennedy would probably make a better senator than Herr Hitlary, as she is probably not a vindictive, power-hungry witch.
-At least I don't think she is....
-Dave
This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.
Yep, a Kennedy...Signed,
December 17, 2008 - 21:44 ET by bigtimerYep, a Kennedy...Signed, Sealed, Delivered...she's ours...
Whether we like it or not.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
"My Daddy Is President"
December 17, 2008 - 22:55 ET by nkviking75Everytime I see Caroline I'm reminded of a novelty record from 1962 when JFK was in the White House. It's just as precious as the notion of putting another unqualified Kennedy into high office.
I think we need a nepotism amendment to the Constitution!
Welcome to the era of unity, you racist!
Forget Dan Brown, It's All About The Obama Code!
December 18, 2008 - 00:41 ET by Asian ConI guess this means that, 30 years down the line, Obama's daughters can be given the presidency. After all, they're the holy descendents of The Obama bloodline.
"For The First Time In My Life, I Am No Longer Proud Of My Country Because It Seems Like, Socialism Has Made A Comeback"
With all those albino (very white guys) Neo-Cons
December 18, 2008 - 00:53 ET by ahussertrying to do them in.
Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. From a Poster
trumped
December 18, 2008 - 20:19 ET by m1xramAsian Con gets trumped by the race card. Wasn't expecting that. Was anybody else expecting that?
Caro is divine, doncha know?
December 18, 2008 - 01:35 ET by thebutlerdiditCaro is divine, doncha know? She is thin, rich, raises money for those poor public school children, and walks/looks like a horse. Bingo! Qualified AND rarified! Why, she's like real American Royalty! I guess I am just confused, what about poor Chelsea? I thought BJ and Hill wanted her to be in politics. She is just as qualified, may be more so, since she has a job, and knows how to MAKE money instead of TAKE money. Let me amend that. I guess since she is a Clinton, she knows how to do both.
Just wait...
December 18, 2008 - 07:37 ET by UnsaneChelsea does not qualify for the Senate until sometime in 2010. Though I am surprised there isn't some MSM effort to secure her special dispensation to enter the Senate anyway, if not from NY then from some other state...
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
political product
December 18, 2008 - 02:01 ET by katainkentits about packaging, marketing & name-brand recognition. The trained consumer does its job and picks the most prettiful (my 13 yr olds word) thing on the shelf.
This last year has proven to me that the people I have helped elect (and there are so few remaining) do very little to listen to what I actually say, anyway. Why should qualifications matter?
"part of what I'm hoping to introduce as the next president is a new ethic of [government enforced] responsibility" - B. Obama
→ Mrs Kennedy?
December 18, 2008 - 08:17 ET by Cool ArrowDid I miss something?
Morning Joe just showed a clip of reporters asking "Mrs. Kennedy" to respond to their questions.
Is there some incestuous tidbit I missed? Did she marry a Kennedy?
Good morning Cool
December 18, 2008 - 08:37 ET by cocodrieIt's that liberal thing about not wanting to use their real name.
She's not totally stupid though, she was smart enough not to ride in uncle Teddy's car.
→ Morning coco
December 18, 2008 - 08:44 ET by Cool ArrowBut shouldn't they be addressing Caroline as "Mrs, Slushfund"? Isn't that her married name? ;-)
I know who wouldn't
December 18, 2008 - 10:08 ET by CobraMan"Who wouldn't want to run with a Kennedy on the ticket, who can raise lots of cash?"
My guess would be any relative of Mary Jo Kopechne.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
A reminder (as if you really needed one)
December 18, 2008 - 14:53 ET by UnsaneLet's not forget: when Frank Murkowski in AK appointed his daughter Lisa as Senator from AK when he won the governorship in 2002, this rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. But of course, when they bring in some gal because she's a KENNEDY, why, hot damn, that's COOL!
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
So they finally discovered
December 19, 2008 - 07:28 ET by BigSky1970So the jokers at CBS finally discovered what everyone else has known for days, that she's a Kennedy and that alone qualifies her.
I also find it odd that
December 19, 2008 - 07:33 ET by BigSky1970I also find it odd that Caroline calls Al Sharpton like she's got him on speed dial.
→ Speed dial
December 19, 2008 - 08:14 ET by Cool ArrowWonder no more!
FOX & Friends just mentioned they use the same PR firm, "Knickerbockers"