CBS: NYT's Paul Krugman Warns Against Economic Prudence, Caution

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Paul Krugman, CBS On Monday’s CBS Early Show, co-host Maggie Rodriguez asked liberal economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman about Barack Obama’s proposed stimulus package: "What about the $500 billion economic stimulus plan that President-elect Obama is planning? Do you think it's realistic to get that done in two years?" Not only was Krugman in favor of the plan, but he argued: "I'm actually worried that this plan may be too small... I'm still worrying that they're going to be a little bit short, because you just have to put all your notions of what is prudent aside. Being cautious is actually a very foolish thing right now."

Rodriguez’s discussion with Krugman was preceded by a fawning report by correspondent Dean Reynolds on Obama’s economic plan: "Well, the incoming administration is making it abundantly clear that it plans an active multi-billion dollar approach to kick-starting the economy. As one top economic adviser to Barack Obama put it, the era of dithering is over." Reynolds continued by declaring: "...with the actions taken so far to stem the tide proving to be totally ineffective, the incoming administration is setting the table for a long struggle to make things right."

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Reynolds also looked at Obama’s economic team: "Leading the effort to get things headed in a new direction will be Timothy Geithner, current president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York...And working with him will be a former treasury secretary, Lawrence Summers." Later, Krugman gave a glowing endorsement of both men: "They're both terrific -- terrifically smart, terrifically forceful guys...it's great to have the best people on board. That's the one thing that's really encouraging right now."

Near the end of his report, Reynolds made Great Depression comparisons: "Congress will be presented an ambitious plan costing hundreds of billions of dollars to create over the next two years more than 2 million new jobs. Including public works employment similar to the New Deal of Franklin Roosevelt." Krugman made similar comparisons: "...it's not depression, but it's depression economics. We're having the kinds of problems that we had during the 1930s and that's why we're talking about a new WPA. We're talking about having to take some of the solutions that we thought we didn't ever have to use again, but here we are."

Here is the full transcript of the segment:

7:00AM TEASE:

HARRY SMITH: Breaking news. Another day, another bailout. This time, the federal government comes to the rescue of banking giant Citigroup.

MARK ZANDI: Citigroup is too big to fail. It's a large global financial institution. If it were to fail it would take the rest of the financial system, what's left of it, with it.

SMITH: Yet another hurdle for the president-elect and his economic team, set to be unveiled today.

7:01AM TEASE:

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Also coming up this morning, we'll talk economy. We're awaiting a news conference from President-elect Obama. He will announce his economic team today. We could also have an announcement about a potential bailout for Citigroup. This morning we'll talk about how the markets may react to both of these huge developments.

7:04AM SEGMENT:

HARRY SMITH: President-elect Barack Obama is expected to announce his economic team later today. CBS News correspondent Dean Reynolds is in Chicago with more on that. Good morning, Dean.

DEAN REYNOLDS: Good morning, Harry. Well, the incoming administration is making it abundantly clear that it plans an active multi-billion dollar approach to kick-starting the economy. As one top economic adviser to Barack Obama put it, the era of dithering is over. With the stock market wobbling, with more than a million job losses this year alone, and with the actions taken so far to stem the tide proving to be totally ineffective, the incoming administration is setting the table for a long struggle to make things right.

AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: This is as big an economic crisis as we've faced in 75 years.

DAVID AXELROD: We've lost 1.3 million jobs already this year. The -- the unemployment claims last month were the highest in 16 years. And it looks like it could get worse before it gets better.

REYNOLDS: Leading the effort to get things headed in a new direction will be Timothy Geithner, current president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. 47 Years old, Geithner will be announced today as the new treasury secretary. And working with him will be a former treasury secretary, Lawrence Summers held the job under Bill Clinton. And, today, will be introduced as the chairman of the National Economic Council.

LARRY SUMMERS: I would hope that next year, we will start to see a turn.

REYNOLDS: But, first, Congress will be presented an ambitious plan costing hundreds of billions of dollars to create over the next two years more than 2 million new jobs. Including public works employment similar to the New Deal of Franklin Roosevelt. Bridge and road building, School repairs and alternative energy projects, as the president-elect explained over the weekend.

BARACK OBAMA: But it will be a two-year nationwide effort to jump-start job creation in America and lay the foundation for a strong and growing economy.

REYNOLDS: The hope is that the Congress will take up this plan shortly after taking office in January and there's a consensus forming that the new president will have no time to waste. Harry?

SMITH: Dean Reynolds, live in Chicago this morning, thanks so much. Maggie.

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Thanks a lot, Harry. Joining us right now is Paul Krugman, a professor of economics at Princeton University a columnist for the New York Times and author of 'The Return of Depression Economics and the Crisis of 2008.' Good morning to you, Paul.

PAUL KRUGMAN: Good morning.

RODRIGUEZ: That's a pretty dire headline.

KRUGMAN: Well, you know, it's not depression, but it's depression economics. We're having the kinds of problems that we had during the 1930s and that's why we're talking about a new WPA. We're talking about having to take some of the solutions that we thought we didn't ever have to use again, but here we are.

RODRIGUEZ: Like-

KRUGMAN: Pretty dire stuff.

RODRIGUEZ: Like bailing out Citigroup, one of the largest and once strongest financial institutions in this country. Do you think that this bailout is well structured? Are the taxpayers getting a fair deal here?

KRUGMAN: First read on it, no. It's -- most of the people who've looked at it, you know, in the small hours of this morning, have said this is a lot of taxpayer risk in return for not much. It looks like a very sweet deal for Citigroup management, very sweet deal for Citigroup shareholders, to the extent they have anything left. Not very good for the taxpayer. This was not good.

RODRIGUEZ: Okay, so other bailouts have done nothing to boost consumer confidence. This one, you say, is not well structured. Why do it?

KRUGMAN: Well, you know, things could be worse. You know, that's been the moral of this crisis, things can always be worse and they've been getting worse. But if Citigroup had not been bailed out, then the whole financial system could collapse. If we hadn't had these other bailouts, things could be much worse even than they are. So it's what hasn't happened, not what has, that's the justification. So we had to do this, but we should've done it better.

RODRIGUEZ: We have a man who's been working closely with Hank Paulson on these bailouts, coming in as the new treasury secretary, Tim Geithner. We also have Lawrence Summers to head the economic council. We heard their resumes individually and they're very good. Do you think they'll make a good team, though?

KRUGMAN: That's going to be interesting. They're both terrific -- terrifically smart, terrifically forceful guys. You wonder a little bit about how it's going to work with two terrifically smart, terrifically forceful guys. Geithner was Summer's protegee, now they're going to be, sort of, holding equal status. It' s going to be interesting to see how the dynamics of that works out. But look, it's great to have the best people on board. That's the one thing that's really encouraging right now.

RODRIGUEZ: What about the $500 billion economic stimulus plan that President-elect Obama is planning? Do you think it's realistic to get that done in two years?

KRUGMAN: I hope it can get done faster. My -- the back of my envelope says we need $600 billion next year alone, so I'm actually worried that this plan may be too small. I mean this is an enormous crisis, you've got to hit it with an enormous stimulus to buck the economy up. I'm still worrying that they're going to be a little bit short, because you just have to put all your notions of what is prudent aside. Being cautious is actually a very foolish thing right now.

RODRIGUEZ: Alright, Paul Krugman, thank you so much for your insight.

KRUGMAN: Thanks so much.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Well, I've been thinking

Well, I've been thinking about this since it posted, and I see no one else has commented, so...

I think no one can even think of anything to say in response to this!

indeed

At this point its not as if we have a choice.  It's just spit in the wind to continually cry "no!" when no one is listening and in fact, no one is asking us.

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Not thinking reasonable here

Not thinking reasonable here but I suppose winning a Nobel prize will do that to ya. What I'm saying is, how is the bailout package too small?  Where in the world does Krugman and the minions of the left think they'll get the money to pay for it all?  We're sinking further and further into debt.  

 

Good catch on the debt issue

While I can't (and don't) watch TV all day to see all the interviews with the "experts", I have not heard one expert address the issue of debt.

These people hammered on the debt for the last 8 years and now have no problem going into debt to the tune of a TRILLION+ more dollars.

Being cautious is actually a very foolish thing right now.

We are in an economic downturn and being caustious if "foolish" right now? What is this guy smoking?

 

 

Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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It's a bastardization of Warren Buffet's axiom.

“Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful” - Warren Buffett

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throwing numbers around

what happened to a budget? we need three of those four of these. $500 of any number millions , billions, you may need three times that amount, a budget will help you find WHAT IS NEEDED FOR WHAT. Not VOODO.

and where does this $$$ come from?? Me?? not this week,BHO must find a sucker, the old snake charmer, must work harder, i'm not buyer his snake oil.

 

 

 allow me to Love America

 

A couple billion here,

As someone (Tip O'Neill?) said:

A couple billion here, a couple billion there; pretty soon you're talking about real money!

 

 

That quote is usually attributed to Dirksen...

Although Dirksen claimed he never said it.

Very simple....

 

It's called a"printing press"!

And they are working overtime!

Yeah,...

just throw caution to the wind.  Someone else is going to pay for it anyway.

Neal Boortz once said Republicans were on a train bound for Hell at 55 mph and the Democrats were going 125 mph on their own Hellbound train.  In Krugman's view, we don't need no stinkin' brakes!

Full speed to the bottom!

"...'you just have to put

"...'you just have to put all your notions of what is prudent aside. Being cautious is actually a very foolish thing right now.'"

Yep, sounds like uber liberal economics squeezed into a couple of sentences.

Liberals and radicals are

Liberals and radicals are always passionate about spending other people's money to help the economy.

I've seen some hilarious

I've seen some hilarious photos of Krugman in the past but this one deserves a Pulitzer.

 

so, 700 billion is dithering

we'll need the suv's to haul our cash to the market to buy a loaf of bread. crank up the presses . no one has the kind of cash they're talking about unless they print it. not the chinese, saudis, no one 

Here's an economic plan

Every parent up their children's allowances to $500/week to stimulate the economy.  It can't fail.

Give me a Nobel. 

 

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Libs' approach to economic repair

The libs' approach seems like trying to fix a car with a blown head gasket by putting in the biggest stereo and DVD system available.

Welcome to the era of unity, you racist!

Has Paul Krugman...

... been right about anything, ever?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

This is amazing

Prudence a bad thing in tough economic times?

 Simply amazing.  How do these people become experts?  Weren't the experts saying:

1) Gas would never again go below 3 dollars a gallon.

2) Gas would never again go below 2 dollars a gallon.

 Now both of those have come to pass in the same year.

One thing to remember, pundits are often wrong, and it's best to use prudence when listening to chicken littles.

The free market works, Government controls always fail.

Paul Krugman is clueless about economics

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