CBS: 4 Out of 5 ‘Average Joes’ Would Get More From Obama Tax Plan

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Harry Smith, CBS After smearing Joe the Plumber on Friday’s CBS Early Show, co-host Harry Smith turned to a group of his own hand selected ‘average Joes’ to defend Barack Obama’s tax plan: "I'll tell you, we have assembled a panel of 'average Joes.' Joe the plumber, the most famous person in America now. Well, we have five Joes here this morning, from various walks of life, and we're going to put their incomes to the test against the candidates' tax plans and see how it will affect them all." Financial analyst Jennifer Openshaw then proceeded to examine the personal financial situations of each "Joe" and concluded that four of them would save more money under Obama’s tax plan as promoted by his campaign.

Smith did acknowledge these projections were hypothetical: "...according to the Obama tax plan, and this, of course, is subject to passed by Congress...Talk about a pie in the sky." However, he then continued to assume it would be implemented and focused on the first guest, asking Openshaw: "He would do much better with Obama plan?" Openshaw replied: "You bet, he would do a lot better. But under McCain, what's interesting is, you know, he's got that $2,500 health care tax credit...for coverage, you know, you might not be able to cover both you and your son if you have to go find coverage someplace. So that's something to watch out for."

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The second guest, Joe Lawless, was the one exception, a self-employed attorney who made over $250,000 a year and would benefit from McCain’s tax plan. Even so, Smith couldn’t help but again bash Joe the Plumber as he asked Lawless: "So this kind of conversation that, at least theoretically, was happening with Joe the Plumber, who's not a plumber. Would it make a difference to you whether one of these plans or the other worked to your advantage?" Openshaw did explain to Lawless how little money he would save under Obama: "Yeah, the bottom line is as an investor you're going to say good-bye to those lower dividend and capital gains tax rates, because they're going to go from15%, Joe, to 20% under Obama...Under Obama. The other thing is, your tax bracket's going up to 39%, actually a little over 39%, so you're not going to be too happy there."

For the third guest, Joanne, Openshaw declared: "The bottom line is under McCain you save a hundred dollars or so and under Obama $900. $900 is $900." On the forth guest, Joe Trentacosta, she explained: "Here's the bottom line for you. Is you would be saving $1,000 under McCain and about $1,300 under Obama so not too much of a difference there." On the fifth and final guest, Joe Enoch, Openshaw once again described the greater benefits of an Obama plan: "The bottom line between the two candidates is under McCain you save $300, under Obama, about a thousand dollars, Joe." Showing how Obama’s tax plan would work was clearly the main purpose of the segment. McCain’s tax policy was treated as a less favorable after thought.

Here is the full transcript of the segment:

7:01AM TEASE:

HARRY SMITH: I'll tell you, we have assembled a panel of 'average Joes.' Joe the plumber, the most famous person in America now. Well, we have five Joes here this morning, from various walks of life, and we're going to put their incomes to the test against the candidates' tax plans and see how it will affect them all. It's going to be fun, Julie.

JULIE CHEN: I'm looking forward to that.

7:10AM SEGMENT:

HARRY SMITH: How do the candidates' tax plans affect real Americans? Joining us are five 'average Joes' who all happen to be named Joe. Also with us Jennifer Openshaw, president of weseed.com. Good morning to everybody. Alright, this is going to be very personal because we're going to talk about how much money you make in an average year and we're going to compare that then to the proposed tax plans. Are you ready for this? Alright, Joe. First, how much money do you make in a year?

JOE: About $65,000.

SMITH: About $65,000. Would it make a difference to you if one tax plan or the other seemed to be really be an advantage?

JOE: Absolutely.

SMITH: Absolutely. Okay. Fire away. You know how much he makes. Let's look at the tax plans and what it would do.

JENNIFER OPENSHAW: Well, the bottom line is eventually he probably would qualify for a child care tax credit, because a child care tax credit's going up from 20% to 50% under Obama. So that's how much you pay everyday for child care. Also a $500 savers credit. So if you're saving money, your income's under $75,000 which it is.

SMITH: Right.

OPENSHAW: And then also, a $500 Making Work Pay. So Harry, this is $500 right off your taxes for middle income people who are earning less than $200,000.

SMITH: So in this particular case, according to the Obama tax plan, and this, of course, is subject to passed by Congress.

OPENSHAW: Of course, yes.

SMITH: Talk about a pie in the sky. He would do much better with Obama plan?

OPENSHAW: You bet, he would do a lot better. But under McCain, what's interesting is, you know, he's got that $2,500 health care tax credit-

SMITH: Right.

OPENSHAW: -for coverage, you know, you might not be able to cover both you and your son if you have to go find coverage someplace. So that's something to watch out for.

SMITH: Alright, let's go on to Joe lawless, how you doing, Joe?

JOE LAWLESS: Good.

SMITH: And what do you do for a living?

LAWLESS: I'm a criminal lawyer.

SMITH: And his name is lawless. Isn't that amazing. Alright, and what kind of bounty do you make?

LAWLESS: I make in excess of $250,000. It depends on the year. I'm a sole practitioner, small business owner.

SMITH: Wow, there you go. So this kind of conversation that, at least theoretically, was happening with Joe the Plumber, who's not a plumber-

LAWLESS: I'm a lawyer, by the way.

SMITH: Yeah. Okay. Would it make a difference to you whether one of these plans or the other worked to your advantage?

LAWLESS: Well it would certainly be less money out of my pocket if McCain's plan was passed, but I think it's a broader question then just the taxes.

SMITH: Okay, alright fire away.

OPENSHAW: Yeah, the bottom line is as an investor you're going to say good-bye to those lower dividend and capital gains tax rates, because they're going to go from15%, Joe, to 20% under Obama.

SMITH: Under Obama, right.

OPENSHAW: Under Obama. The other thing is, your tax bracket's going up to 39%, actually a little over 39%, so you're not going to be too happy there.

LAWLESS: No.

SMITH: Wow.

OPENSHAW: But under McCain, everything stays the same with those dividend tax rates and the favorable capital gains. The other big thing is, on the AMT side, because everybody's getting snagged by that, lots of people, McCain is does have a more specific proposal doubling it to about where it is right now for the exclusion.

SMITH: You do -- you do really well with John McCain.

LAWLESS: Yeah.

SMITH: Yeah, okay. Alright Jo, what's your situation? What do you do?

JOANNE: Well, I just got a job. I'm a management associate for the American Theater Wing, it's my first full-time job in three years.

SMITH: How exciting. What kind of money does it pay?

JOANNE: Well, you know, I'm in the lower end of the tax bracket at this point-

SMITH: Lower end of the tax bracket.

JOANNE: -but, you know, that's, you know-

SMITH: Okay.

JOANNE: We're working towards higher things-

SMITH: There you go.

JOANNE: And I'm freelancing on the side.

SMITH: There you go, okay Jennifer, how does -- how does she fare?

OPENSHAW: Joanne's big issue she is that she's trying to go back to school and you'd get a tax credit under Obama of about $4,000. About double Hope tax credit that's out there right now. You'd also get the $500 Making Work Pay and the $500 savers credit if you do.

SMITH: Yeah.

OPENSHAW: And-

SMITH: And the bottom line is?

OPENSHAW: The bottom line is under McCain you save a hundred dollars or so and under Obama $900. $900 is $900.

JOANNE: Is $900.

SMITH: Let's go to Joe Trentacosta. Joe how you doing?

JOE TRENTACOSTA: I'm good, how are you?

SMITH: What do you do?

TRENTACOSTA: Public relations.

SMITH: And what kind of money?

TRENTACOSTA: About a $100,000.

SMITH: Okay, so what's Joe's situation?

OPENSHAW: Well, the bottom line there is he gets the child care tax credit, a thousand dollars Making Work Pay credit. Eventually $4,000 per kid in a college credit. Here's the bottom line for you. Is you would be saving $1,000 under McCain and about $1,300 under Obama so not too much of a difference there.

SMITH: Pretty similar. Alright, last but not least, Joe Enoch. Joe what do you do?

JOE ENOCH: I am a reporter in Washington, D.C. but they just closed my bureau so I'm freelancing in between jobs.

SMITH: Okay, how does Joe fare with his theoretical income?

OPENSHAW: Couple of really interesting -- you're interested in either getting another job or starting a business, obviously. You get the savers credit, some of those other credits, but the interesting thing under Obama is he's offering a $10,000 exemption to withdraw money out of your 401(k) without penalty. The bottom line between the two candidates is under McCain you save $300, under Obama, about a thousand dollars, Joe.

SMITH: Anybody change their minds learning what you learned here this morning? No. Thank you all 'average Joes' for being with us this morning. Thank you very much for helping us out. Do appreciate it.

OPENSHAW: You bet.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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The big problem

For communism it's always decided who gives how much, and then who gets how much. The ACORN at the center nut of communism, is who gets to decide.

In the end, it's a mad dash by everyone for the line with the sign that says "free pies". 

Communism is a failed tyranical relic of the 20th century, it should stay there. Americans are not for redistribution of anything. Americans stand for hard work and doing it yourslef. 

Its unreal to me how so

Its unreal to me how so many Americans can buy right into the redistribution of wealth, or at least look right past it as no big deal.  It IS a big deal!!!  The media won't let it be one though.

I always say, if the media was objective in reporting, liberals would win no elections.

Communist Broadcasting System cannot do the math

Everything Obama and his supporters have done is right out of the communist manual to enslave a nation. Hey people of color, you thought US slavery was bad, wait until communist Obama and pals destroy the US economy sob adly that there will be no more "wealth to spread around". Then will come the "long marches", the red scarfs, and 14 hour work days, 7 days a week for everyone or else!

As for CBS, it cannot do math. The increased taxes taken from those businesses making over $250,000 a year will be subtracted from people's pay raises, and the ability to hire more people. This will more than outweight Obamas tax cuts for the middle class, that is, the defiicit in business income will be subtracted directly from employees incomes more than offsetting their puny tax cuts.

Bottom line: tax increase, using trickery to make people believe its better for them, when it will not be in the near term or long term.

 

 

trickle down

Trickle down works whether it's taxes or wealth.  If you tax the "wealthy" it means they have less money to spend. 

They go out to the restaurants less in their hometowns, the restaurants lay off waiters. 

They travel less,  the airlines cancel orders from Boeing.

They go out to the movies less, laying off Hollywood.... (wait is this bad?)

They buy cars and boats less, forcing retailers and manufacturers to make cut backs.

The small businesses will have a choice.  Lay off workers to get under the 250,000 dollar cap, or raise the consumer cost.  They raise the consumer cost on an already strapped economy and it will cause a rapid implosion of unemployment.  No one will be able to afford this indirect tax that the companies will have to pass down, and stop buying goods.  When we stop buying goods the companies will have to fire people.  When they fire people those people that were employed will have to stop going out and buying new things... It will happen so fast that we will have double digit unemployment by the end of next year if Obama is elected...

 

But THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS.  He wants more people to be dependant on the government.  He wants to destroy capitalism and replace it with marxism.

RIGHT ON

Joe the plumber was the absolute game changer for McCain.  Without him Obama most likely would have won.  Now that we have the MEDIA and the OBAMA CAMPAIGN attacking hard workign Americans? 

Planning on redistributing their wealth?

Not a chance in hell.

I agree with you on Marxism.  It's a failed philosophy that just won't die.  

So the issue is who would

So the issue is who would actually benefit more under Obama instead of the share the wealth socialism that was the very point of Joe the Plumber's perspective?  The media here is entirely missing the point (what else is new).  McCain brought up Joe to point out that Barack Obama wants to redistribute wealth from one citizen to another, to take money from someone arbitrarily on the basis of how much they earn and give it to others who earn less.  This is the point.  This is the first time in U.S. history that a serious candidate for the presidency has openly endorsed taxation strictly for the spread the wealth philosophy.  This has nothing to do with who would benefit more under Obama; it's about changing the fundamentals upon which this country is based.

You know, this crap about

You know, this crap about "this plan will do more for you" is pure BS.  If a candidate said he'd send a check of $100,000 to every American and the other guy didn't, then would the line be "this plan will do more for you than that plan?"

Its pure BS.  In Socialism the end ALWAYS justifies the means, regardless of what the means are.

Now the MSM are helping Obama buy votes.

This is just so great. By the 2012 election, the MSM will be outside of each polling place telling you who you voted for and passing out buttons and ball-caps.

Even Iraq has a more fair and ballanced media than we do now. We are witnessing the final death of our Republic. Welcome to a true democracy overseen and controlled by the media.

You want change? Give me a dollar.

Sell Your Vote - Get Paid by the Rich

I saw two people questioned in this "sell your vote" segment and cut it off.   This was one big sickening Obama ad.  Of course, CBS didn't make it clear or present another side that people shouldn't hold out hope for this massive redistribution of the wealth--not a cut.  Obama's words and his past record, slight as it is, do not support his reducing taxes or even being able to afford to do so with his grand spending schemes.

These vote sellers won't like it much when they lose their jobs after taxes are raised and health care mandates are slapped onto businesses.  Rather than being satisfied with a piece of a larger pie, they'll end up with no piece of a smaller pie.

I like this incomplete thought...

"The bottom line between the two candidates is under McCain you save $300, under Obama, about a thousand dollars, Joe." 

what he forgot to mention is: "..but if Obama gets in you won't have a job!" good luck suckas!!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

precisely

Alot of small businesses ARE going to be hit by this tax adn will:

1) Make employment cuts to get under the wire of being more successful.

2) Raise end user operating costs which in our current economic times would be akin to businicide.  It would absolutely destroy small business.

My personal opinion is that this is Obama's purpose.  He's not hiding behind Globull Warming Marxism, he is espousing straight Marxism.  His end game is the destruction of our country and Changing it into the USSA.

 

mbuel... under "THE ONE"s plan....

Yes. My own brother (my less-liberal one, but who is still voting for Obama... go figure :p) said there's no way he could ever start-up the company he ran several years back under Obama's socialist economic plan. Simply no way.

 

NOW PLAYING:
Governor Palin Get Your Gun

 

GAH!!

Why is it that they make these connections (higher taxes are bad, bad for personal business, etc.) WHY do they still vote for it?

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

5 out of 4 democrats have

5 out of 4 democrats have trouble doing simple fractions.

 

take the 5th

ah, but that 5th guy....will he get slammed.  He's also the guy who is training (at his expense) all the #1,2,3's of tomorrow....he's the guy that took the risk years ago, worked hard, did good work to get to be the 5th guy....and now, let's punish him (big time) for being successful. 

Too bad many of our grandfathers gave their lives to keep this scurge from attacking their kids' lives....and now, with the cheering help of our media and the britney spears generation, our nation is about to vote socialism back in.

Sorry Veterans...

Where's the ethics in this?

While it's to be expected, it still bothers me that major news broadcasting wants us to believe that it's impartial, unbiased and has no agenda and yet puts together presentations like this as though it were campaigning for a running candidate.

I mean, why is this the reaction to what that guy who challenged Obama say? Why was their gut reaction to dig up dirt on him? And try to discredit him if not for damage control to the Obama campaign?

It's true what NewsBusters' President had to say... If Fox News admits Obama is down 2-3%, it's only fair that NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc. admit they're why McCain isn't UP 20...

"Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words." Proverbs 23:9

Why wasn't the question....

"Will you feel any guilt by receiving money from the government that was taken from someone that worked long hours, had to miss his kids functions, put all of his possessions in hock, risked his marraige and provided jobs for many people in his or her community?"

 I'm afraid of what the answer would be...

"I need more cowbell!" SNL

4 out of 5 would get more

4 out of 5 average Joe's aren't paying any tax now so Barry's going to see that they all get some or more Earned Income Tax Credit, also known as Welfare Check. The only problem with that is that they won't have a job so their total income will drop as they go onto full blown welfare and food stamps. Enjoy.

out and out greed

It's just complete greed from the liberals. I don't pay taxes cause I have 4 kids and a house, yet I already get a pretty good refund above what I've paid in. It's great, sure,  but I also know that it's coming from the rich guys. Sure I'd like more, but it seems like legal robbery. Actually it is legal robbery. We need to change O's phrase of  'spread the wealth' to 'legal robbery.' The only way people can justify O's plan for themselves is greed.

Greed and lies.

While Hussein is downstairs telling you what he will give you Michelle is upstairs ordering Lobster and $500 an ounce fish eggs. Not to worry, she charged it to the campaign and the democrat fools paid without knowing it. Michelle stated they will take part of your pie and give it to others. She lied, she will take your entire pie and eat it. 

If CBS is so free with other people's money I would like to sell them some stock in Freddie and Fannie. I won't stick them with the 2008 price but will let it go for the mid 2007 price. As stupid as they are I think they will buy it.

Old, Retired and glad of it.

Scrap... I heard about

Scrap...

I heard about her lovely meal today on talk radio...

Yep, these people are really for the little people, the down-trodden, the donations made to them would be A-OK with the dem donors IMHO ...for the most part anyway...why they deserve it...after-all they are going to to take care of all of their problems without having to work...period.

We the people who do will be paying...spreading that wealth around.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

omg ...

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? They really did this? This is objective??? Seriously. OMG ... That's it. There is really no fig leaf for the MSM to hide behind. They are completely, 100%, doing everything in their power to elect Obama.

And how will Obama be able to fund his massive health care plan? Or pay for all those kids to go to college? Taxes aren't going to be raised for all of us then?? This makes me sick ...  

"I'll tell you, we have

"I'll tell you, we have assembled a panel of average Joes."-Harry Smith

Bahahaha!!!

Harry Smith wouldn't know an "Average Joe' if one walked up to him and smacked his head with a plunger!

Under Obama's Tax Plan:  The rich get poorer and the poor get NOTHING!  nada.

 

They may be right

I may be crazy, but I'll probably benefit from receiving a one time welfare check from the Feds after O is in office. But then again, the reality is that I'll end up paying way more for goods and necessities too. I'll certainly fall short of living life in my pay grade.

All because the MSM and O campaign cited 2-percent of the businesses that make over $250k a year will end up jacking their prices up because the cost of doing business will be higher under O's plan. Then I may have to end up resort going on welfare.

Gimme some of that dough O!!

 These folks missed

 These folks missed another key point made by Joe the plumber, and that's that he doesn't believe it's right to redistribute anyone's money, no matter how much they make. Here's this average guy, I'm guessing at this time makes around $50,000, who, even though he would get more stuff under Obama, STILL doesn't think it's right to take from those who earned it to give to those who didn't. I hope he's not alone. It's just about the only shot we've got.

 

Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.

So, let me get this

So, let me get this right.  bambi, the idiot, is going to, at the point of a gun, take money from some other tax payer, to give to me because I showed up for work under the "rob someone else to pay me for working tax credit" crap?

I just have to words for bambi, the idiot, f**k you.

I wonder

How will these "Average Joes" will feel when Barry Hussein lets the Bush tax cuts expire?

The Party Of Pauls

There is an old saying:

When it comes to robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's support.

Harry Smith is a jackass

His show is a complete joke. 

How much money is the Obama campaign paying Smith for running a 2 hour info-mercial for them every morning?

Ummm

Is it just me, or do most of these people seem like plants? It just looks from reading the article....so forced, contrived....rehearsed.

Jeanie

Jeanie, of course they are plants.  Harry Smith is the biggest plant of all-straight from the camp obama!

 

 

Sooo....

When the 4 out of 5 "Average Joes" lose their jobs because of Obamas excessive taxation of that other one... oh, well!

Anyway, I had a thought, let's write a nice open letter to Warren Buffet and Barack Hussain Obama... something like this.

Dear Mr. Buffet, you have expressed a desire to pay more, as a percent of your income, than your administrator. You've made the case that the wealthy don't pay enough. May we propose that, instead of taxing your income, which is such a small percentage of your overall net worth, we actually tax your net worth.

Mr. Obama, since you want to pass the burden onto the "wealthy," which, in fact turns out to be the "working wealthy," in your plan, mostly small business owners, may we suggest that you can do far better by creating a "net worth" tax. Gentlemen, here is how it work. Since no one needs "too much money," let's draw a line at what we'll call the "super wealthy." People who have a net worth in excessive of 100 Million dollars.  These are people who will never, ever be poor. 

Here is the plan:  Instead of taxing working people 37 to 39% percent of their income, we will lower "working income" taxes to a max of, oh, say 25%.  Next, we tax those who have a net worth over 100 Million dollars 25% of their net worth.  So, the first year, the US governement get's about 15 Billion dollars from Warren Buffet alone.  20 Billion from Gates, and so on.  By the time they are ready to die, they'll both still have hundreds of millions, or even billions, so what's the problem?

Mr. Buffet, do you like that plan?  Well, it's "fair" isn't it?  I mean, my net worth, because I have a mortgage, is probably negative, so why should the government take my hard earned income???  You've got way too much, please redistribute it accordingly... spread it around a little. 

Mr. Obama, announce that one on TV and see if George Soros and Warren Buffet still support you.

 

The Utopian Socialist States of America...

By the end of a 4 year Obama term they will have changed the name of this great country to the USSA.

The Utopian Socialist States of America...

I think the Democrats this time around are using Fidel Castro's playbook. 

The republicans have compromised many of their principles in fear of the economic woes benefiting the democrats. Currently they appear to be not much different than the democrats except less obnoxious and not as loud. Amidst the noise and incoherent chatter the loudest horn wins!

I am pissed but at the same time I dont earn over $125,000 a year so I am going to soak up all these hand-outs and pray we bankrupt that party. 

If the basis for a political campaign could be founded on class warfare why not on political persuasion? We can make the party that bankrupts america pay more if not all the taxes.

Like many before, who have reached, I too desire the dream to some day earn far beyond $125,000 a year.

But the game plan will change of course. I'll need to subscribe to the Obama's Best Small Business Practices Handbook. 

A. Charge More for all products and services.
B. Recalculate all wages.
C. Protect my income and stadard of living!

This is where we are going to drive small business owners and I don't blame them. Some how Im not so sure that I as a worker am going to benefit greatly from this.

Perhaps someone else can see this differently?

 

Change we need is someone's diapers. 

A typical Average Joe

I am an average Joe:  I joined the military and through it, earned a Master's degree in management but only pulling in close to 50K/year in a competitive, yet highly expensive state (CA).  I am not even in management field anymore and the management positions that I applied for requires Spanish-speaking ability. Bull****!  I feel I am being punished for finishing college but not "good enough" to reel in a competitive salary, despite experience.  I do have dreams of owning my own consulting business but unable to do so due to lack of capital.  If BHO thinks he speaks for me, he is dead-wrong as I am opposed to paying my tax dollars to help pay for healthcare for (illegals?) and uninsured individuals.  Remember folks, I live in the left coast, in the SF Bay Area, the epicenter for everything leftist.  

I'll do better under Obama too...

...atl east for about 6 months until my job dissapears.

And you sir...

win the prize for most astute.

He wants to be a redistributor of wealth, the Obamassiah; what he will really be is a destroyer of jobs, the Obamanator.

The intersting thing here I

The intersting thing here I thought was that everyone saves... under McCain you save a little, under Obama you save ALOT, and how do you save or get back that money that Obama is promising? By bending over Lawless who happens to make the magic 250,000+ figure. Now normally as Lawless is a lawyer I wouldnt have a problem with that----but then my higher principles kick in and I realize that I cant pick and choose, socialism is socialism no matter who it affects.

In the end, they would all lose!

Well technically their kids will lose because of greater national debt. We have experience with increased protectionism and taxes in the midst of a credit crises. It was called THE GREAT DEPRESSION!

Taxes were raised every year through 1936 which ensured a severe recession would become a depression. Oh, and we were on the gold standard... Just saying. See Amity Shlaes book The Forgotten Man. Quick overview / interview here