CBS’s Chen Talks to ‘Weeds’ Actress About Legalizing Pot

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Julie Chen and Elizabeth Perkins, CBS On Wednesday’s CBS "Early Show," co-host Julie Chen teased an interview with actress Elizabeth Perkins from Showtime’s ‘Weeds’: "We're going to see what she thinks about weed. Not the show, the plant." Later, Chen offered yet another tease: "You know her from 'Weeds' on Showtime. Elizabeth Perkins. We're going to find out if she thinks marijuana should be legal."

Later during the segment Chen eagerly asked the question: "Since it is 'Weeds' it seems like a natural question. As a person...as Elizabeth Perkins, do you believe marijuana should be legalized?" Predictably, Perkins replied: "Oh, yeah, absolutely...Alcohol is legal. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why marijuana's not. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me." Chen’s only response was to laugh and declare: "In the name of the show."

Chen followed up by referring to Perkins’ moralist anti-drug character on the show, Celia Hodes: "And Celia Hodes would say?," Perkins replied: "Oh, put them all in jail." Chen interjected: " I know...she's so self-righteous." Earlier in the segment, Chen explained that Perkins’ character on the show was an alcoholic "hypocrite." Perkins went on to explain that: "Well Celia's probably the only character on the show who's never smoked marijuana." Chen wondered: "Is she going to cave?" After Perkins said no, Chen pressed: "Oh, you never know, we still have a few episodes left-" At that point Perkins explained: "Never cave with marijuana because that's the 'evil drug,' according to her." Chen laughed.

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Here is the full transcript of the exchange:

8:00AM TEASER:

JULIE CHEN: Also coming up this morning, we're going to talk with Elizabeth Perkins. You know her as one of the stars of the hit Showtime comedy 'Weeds.' We're going to see what she thinks about weed. Not the show, the plant.

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Oh.

CHEN: And maybe her character should take some anger management, you know, courses.

8:20AM TEASER:

CHEN: Look who's here. Elizabeth Perkins, also known as Celia Hodes. In a word, she is evil. We're going to find out why when we come right back.

8:31AM TEASER:

CHEN: Coming up this final half hour, talking to one of my favorite actresses of all time. You know her from 'Weeds' on Showtime. Elizabeth Perkins. We're going to find out if she thinks marijuana should be legal. Harry.

HARRY SMITH: That's a devilishly wickedly funny show.

DAVE PRICE: Brilliantly written.

CHEN: And her character, Celia Hodes, so good.

SMITH: So good, oh yeah.

8:41AM SEGMENT:

JULIE CHEN: This season of 'Weeds' it's darker and funnier. Elizabeth Perkins stars as Celia, the tough-talking 'friendemy' of a drug-dealing soccer mom played by Mary Louise Parker. Recently Celia was thrown behind bars, taking the rap for a pot growing operation that didn't belong to her.

[Clip of show 'Weeds']

CHEN: Joining us now is Elizabeth Perkins. Good morning. It's great to see you again.

ELIZABETH PERKINS: Good morning. It's great to see you, too.

CHEN: This is the fourth season of the show. Your role started out juicy but it got even juicier. What is it like for you as an actress. To sink your teeth into this character that is not all bad, you know, she is someone that we love to watch.

PERKINS: Well it's -- as an actress, you always want to play somebody who is ultimately, you know, really screwed up and evil and, you know, always sort of walking that really fine line and, you know, no holds barred. But what's great about it is that Jillian Cohan our creator has also infused her with -- with a vulnerability.

CHEN: Celia is many things, including, at times, a lush.

PERKINS: Yeah.

CHEN: Let's take a look at this funny clip.

[Clip of show 'Weeds']

PERKINS: Celia, doing it pro bono. Not asking for accolades. Drugs are wrong. And it feels so right to not do them. Just throw them away. I'm a crusader, you know?

UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Could you move? You are blocking the goal.

[End of clip]

CHEN: And she's also kind of a hypocrite.

PERKINS: Oh, yeah.

CHEN: You know-

PERKINS: Do as I say, not as I do.

CHEN: Exactly.

PERKINS: Absolutely. Children should be seen and not heard. She's got all of that written on her, you know, on the little plaque in her kitchen.

CHEN: She has a temper.

PERKINS: Oh, yeah. She's out of control.

CHEN: Oh, do not make her -- do not wrong her.

PERKINS: No, she's married to a man she's not in love with. She's going to take it out on whoever happens to be standing in her way.

CHEN: Since it is 'Weeds' it seems like a natural question. As a person, not Celia Hodes, as Elizabeth Perkins, do you believe marijuana should be legalized?

PERKINS: Oh, yeah, absolutely.

CHEN: [Laughter] In the name of the show.

PERKINS: Alcohol is legal. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why marijuana's not. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

CHEN: And Celia Hodes would say?

PERKINS: Oh, put them all in jail.

CHEN: [Laughter] I know-

PERKINS: Put them all in jail.

CHEN: -she's so self-righteous.

PERKINS: Well Celia's probably the only character on the show who's never smoked marijuana.

CHEN: Is she going to cave?

PERKINS: No.

CHEN: Oh, you never know, we still have a few episodes left-

PERKINS: Never cave with marijuana because that's the 'evil drug,' according to her.

CHEN: [Laughter]

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Intoxicant

I wonder if Perkins is concerned about people driving under the influence of marijuana. Or is it just under the influence of alcohol? 

Does she favor banning cigarettes, or is smoking all right. Is she in favor of banning transfats? Does she want to ban guns?

I am sure it is alcohol

I am sure it is alcohol only.

It is also funny how the anti smoking hypocrites think it is ok and healthy to smoke pot.

 

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

I don't think "anti-smoking

I don't think "anti-smoking hypocrites" think its "healthy" to smoke pot anymore than its healthy to eat a Big Mac. Maybe they have just realized that smoking cigarettes is worse on the lungs than smoking pot and has no medicinal value. Now that this information is out in the open, many Americans naturally attempt to get the same stigma attached to cigarettes that is attached to pot because they find that stigma so absurd in the first place.

The point is, the true conservative position is to have the government out of our lives and our taxes low. If we followed the Constitution, marijuana would've never been made illegal in the first place. True conservatives are starting to understand that if we eliminated marijuana's huge portion of the War on Drugs, it would cut government spending substantially and keep taxes low for the non-pot smokers (as pot sales could be taxed through the roof). Hence, just like "anti-smoking hypocrites" want a greater tax on cigarettes, they want that same tax on marijuana.

It is a shame the economy is struggling, and we are wasting all this money from America's #1 cash crop (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=2735017) that could be going to worthy governmental causes, instead of highly organized criminal enterprises.

Agree - Legalize!

Wisdom, as a libertarian conservative, I wholeheartedly agree with you.While the premise of 'Weeds' is typical Hollywood perversion, I do believe that legalizing marijuana is the right thing to do from an individual right's perspective.  It's also the right thing to do from a purely pragmatic, empirical perspective (legalized marijuana will cut government costs, raise government revenue, and cut down on crime).

 

 

The Dangers of Smoking Marijuana

Um... Smoking Pot is much worse than eating a Big Mac, please stop with the pot head propaganda. It is so funny how all the pot heads come out of the wood work to defend their habit.

Addiction:

Marijuana Withdrawal As Bad As Withdrawal From Cigarettes (Science Daily)
Marijuana Withdrawal Reported By Teens Seeking Treatment (Science Daily)
NIDA Researchers Find That Animals Exposed To Marijuana's Active Component Will Self-Administer The Drug (Science Daily)
Smoking, Drinking, Drugs: The Younger They Start, The Harder It Is To Quit (Science Daily)

Negative Health Effects:

Brain Damage - Cannabis Could Increase Risks Of Psychotic Illness By 40 Percent (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Cannabis Increases Risk Of Psychosis (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - How Smoking Marijuana Damages The Fetal Brain (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Marijuana Use Affects Blood Flow In Brain Even After Abstinence (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - More Evidence Of Cannabis-induced Psychosis (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Smoking Marijuana Impairs Cognitive Function In MS Patients, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Study Finds Cannabis Triggers Transient Schizophrenia-like Symptoms (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Teen Drug Use Associated With Psychiatric Disorders Later In Life (Science Daily)
Cancer - Marijuana Use Associated with HPV-Positive Head and Neck Cancer, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Cancer - Researchers At UCLA's Jonsson Cancer Center Report Smoking Marijuana May Increase Risk Of Head And Neck Cancers (Science Daily)
Gum Disease - Heavy Marijuana Use Linked To Gum Disease, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Heart Disease - Regular Cannabis May Increase Risk Of Stroke In Young Users (Science Daily)
Heart Disease - Study Finds Marijuana Use May Pose Health Threat To Baby Boomers (Science Daily)
Infertility - Marijuana-Like Compounds May Alter Human Fertility, UB Researchers Show (Science Daily)
Infertility - Sperm From Marijuana Smokers Move Too Fast Too Early, Impairing Fertility, UB Research Shows (Science Daily)
Infertility - Study Finds; Abusing Marijuana May Overload System, Inhibit Fertility (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Impact On Lungs Of One Cannabis Joint Equal To Up To Five Cigarettes (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Long-term Marijuana Smoking Leads To Respiratory Complaints (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Smoke Contains Higher Levels Of Certain Toxins Than Tobacco Smoke (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction -- As Much As 20 Years Ahead Of Tobacco Smokers (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Worsens COPD Symptoms In Current Cigarette Smokers (Science Daily)
Obesity - Machinery Of The 'Marijuana Munchies' (Science Daily)
Pregnancy Failure - Marijuana Use Causes Early Pregnancy Failure (Science Daily)
Viral Infection - Marijuana Component Opens The Door For Virus That Causes Kaposi's Sarcoma (Science Daily)
Viral Infection - Regular Marijuana Use Increases Risk Of Hepatitis C-related Liver Damage (Science Daily)

Cannabis Almost Doubles Risk Of Fatal Crashes (Science Daily)
Malt Liquor Linked To Marijuana Use Among Young Adults (Science Daily

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Pop Tech

You know I love your lists.. you are the champ! But "Gum Disease"? Maybe they're simply too stoned to bother brushing their teeth..ya think??

Pot Smokers suffer Brain Damage

Heh, I bet but it is clear that if smoking tobacco would negatively effect your teeth then smoking pot would too. I forgot to add these studies:

Brain Damage - Long-term Cannabis Users May Have Structural Brain Abnormalities (Science Daily)

Heart Disease - Possible Connection Between Marijuana Abuse And Stroke Or Heart Attacks (Science Daily)

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Ok, then let's substitute

Ok, then let's substitute the word Alcohol for the word Cannabis/Marijuana in this list and what do you have? 

PopTech

Can I add to your excellent list?

Marijuana may increase psychosis risk http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/27/marijuana.psychosis.ap/index.html

Regular use of marijuana is associated with cardiovascular, pulmonary, reproductive and immunologic problems - http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3225/is_9_61/ai_62829047

Cancer risk from marijuana -  http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hnf/hnf_1228.htm

Marijuana Use and Increased Risk of Squamous Cell Carcinoma of the Head and Neck -  http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/8/12/1071

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I'm voting for Barack Obama now that the unbias and fair and balanced  AP poll shows people would rather barbecue burgers with Barack Obama than with John McCain. http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-candidates

 

OK, so?

I can buy into every one of these findings but it doesn't change my belief that an individual has a right to smoke a joint if they darn well please.  Seriously, why don't we ban alcohol if we're so concerned about our private health?

Because Alcohol can be good for you


A Drink To Healthy Aging (Science Daily)
A Few Drinks A Day Do No Harm To The Alcoholic Heart (Science Daily)
Antioxidant Found In Many Foods And Red Wine Is Potent And Selective Killer Of Leukemia Cells (Science Daily)
After Dinner Drink Proves Beneficial To Postmenopausal Women (Science Daily)
Alcohol Drinking Linked To Reduced Risk Of Renal Cell Cancer (Science Daily)
Alcohol Linked To Decreased Hypertension Risk In Young Women (Science Daily)
Beer, In Moderation, Cuts Risk Of Cataracts And Heart Disease (Science Daily)
Beer Inhibits Action Of Carcinogenic Mutagens (Science Daily)
Cabernet Sauvignon Red Wine Reduces The Risk Of Alzheimer's Disease (Science Daily)
Compound In Wine Reduces Levels Of Alzheimer's Disease-causing Peptides (Science Daily)
Daily Glass Of Wine Could Improve Liver Health (Science Daily)
Drink A Day May Delay Dementia, Study Suggests (Science Daily)
Drinking Small Amounts Of Alcohol Regularly Reduces Risk Of Obesity (Science Daily)
Drinking Wine May Lower Risk Of Dementia (Science Daily)
Drinking Wine, Particularly White Wine, May Help Keep Lungs Healthy, University At Buffalo Study Finds (Science Daily)
Frequency Of Light-to-moderate Drinking Reduces Heart Disease Risk In Men (Science Daily)
Further Evidence That Alcohol, When Consumed In Moderation, Reduces Risk Of Death (Science Daily)
Further Evidence That Moderate Drinking Reduces Men's Heart Attack Risk (Science Daily)
Grapes May Minimize Brain Damage In Stroke Victims (Science Daily)
Grapes Or Grain? Wine Drinking May Reduce Colon Cancer Risk; Beer, Hard Liquor Provide No Benefit (Science Daily)
Health Benefits Of A Christmas Brandy (Science Daily)
Light Alcohol Use May Protect Against Sudden Cardiac Death (Science Daily)
Light To Moderate Drinking Reduces Risk Of Cardiac Events, Death (Science Daily)
Light Wine Intake Is Associated With Longer Life Expectancy In Men (Science Daily)
Little Evidence That Binge Drinking While Pregnant Seriously Harms Fetus, Review Of Research Suggests (Science Daily)
Men With Hypertension Who Drink Moderate Amounts Of Alcohol May Have A Lower Risk Of Heart Attack (Science Daily)
Moderate Alcohol Consumption Can Act As A 'Blood Thinner' (Science Daily)
Moderate Alcohol Consumption Enhances The Formation Of New Nerve Cells (Science Daily)
Moderate Alcohol Consumption In Middle Age Can Lower Cardiac Risk, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Moderate Alcohol Consumption Decreases Risk Of Cardiovascular Disease Death In Men (Science Daily)
Moderate Alcohol Intake Associated With Better Mental Function In Older Women (Science Daily)
Moderate Alcohol Intake May Reduce Risk Of Dementia In Older Women (Science Daily)
Moderate Drinking Associated With Better Cognition In Women (Science Daily)
Moderate Drinking Lowers Women's Risk Of Heart Attack (Science Daily)
Moderate Drinking May Boost Memory, Study Suggests (Science Daily)
Moderate Drinking May Help Older Women Live Longer (Science Daily)
Moderate Drinking May Protect Heart By Improving Insulin Resistance, Study Suggests (Science Daily)
Mounting Evidence Shows Red Wine Antioxidant Kills Cancer (Science Daily)
New Cholesterol Fighter Found In Red Wine (Science Daily)
New Study Ties Moderate Beer Drinking To Lower Heart Attack Risk (Science Daily)
No Need For Reduced Alcohol Consumption In Later Life, Study Suggests (Science Daily)
One Or Two Drinks A Day May Be Better For Women Than None (Science Daily)
Researchers Discover That A Protein In Grape Skins Can Kill Cancer Cells (Science Daily)
Researchers Link Red Wine To "Good Cholesterol" (Science Daily)
Red Wine And Grape Juice Help Defend Against Food-borne Diseases, Study Suggests (Science Daily)
Red Wine And White Wine May Be Equally Good For The Heart (Science Daily)
Red Wine Can Help Maintain Immune System, UF Researcher Finds (Science Daily)
Red Wine Compound Shown To Prevent Prostate Cancer (Science Daily)
Red Wine Lovers, Take Heart: More Evidence Points To The Drink's Cardiac Health Benefits (Science Daily)
Red Wine Molecule Extends Lifespan Of Fat Mice Lives By Reversing Obesity-Related Gene Pathways (Science Daily)
Red Wine Protects The Heart (Science Daily)
Red Wine Protects The Prostate, Research Suggests (Science Daily)
Red Wine's Resveratrol May Help Battle Obesity (Science Daily)
Red Wine, Tea, May Help Regulate Blood Sugar In Type 2 Diabetics, Research Suggests (Science Daily)
Staying Active And Drinking Moderately Is The Key To A Long Life, Study Suggests (Science Daily)
Study Finds That Moderate Drinkers May Have Lower Risk Of Mortality After A Heart Attack (Science Daily)
Substance In Red Wine, Resveratrol, Found To Keep Hearts Young (Science Daily)
Wine Drinkers Have Healthier Lifestyles (Science Daily)
Wine Keeps Women's Hearts Beating Healthily (Science Daily)
Wine May Combat Tooth Decay And Upper Respiratory Tract Disease Bacteria (Science Daily)
Wine May Protect Against Dementia, Study Suggests (Science Daily

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And the award for the most

And the award for the most industrious NB poster goes to POP TECH

Awards

He's got another award right here !

There is no rational reason weed is illegal when alcohol isn't

Alcohol is an infinitely more dangerous substance than marijuana, speaking both physically and sociologically, but because it is more popular, it is legal while marijuana isn't. Popularity-that's a great, righteous criteria for legality, isn't it?

Just where does the US gov't get the right to treat people like children and tell them that it is ok for them to ingest alcohol into their bodies, but not marijuana? Does it get that right from our Creator, or does it take it from the same place our Founders did when they said it was acceptable for slavery to be legal?

Control freaks love to limit what other people can do with own bodies, and then tell them they are free even while they are limiting their freedom. Stalin loved that kind of Orwellianism, didn't he?!!!

Oh, and to head you off from your inevitable use of personal attacks, I don't use nor condone the use of marijuana. Why would it mattter if I did though? The fact is, prohibiting an individual's personal use of a substance on him/herself is antithetical to what freedom is; there is no logical argument against that. The truth is, some people love to believe to they value freedom despite the fact they actually detest it.

 

 

 

PopTech, Congratulations

PopTech,

Congratulations on writing the single, most ignorant post I've ever read.  I mean, you're joking right?

The amount of damage caused by alcohol in our society is unbelievable
and to claim that it's more dangerous than marijuana is hilarious.

First of all, how many people die a year from alcohol poisoning? 
How many people overdose on marijuana (i'll give you a hint, it starts
with 0)

How many people die in drunk driving accidents a year?  How many children are abused by drunken parents?  Marriages ruined?  Bodies ruined?

Not only is  making marijuana illegal, decidedly ANTI-conservative,
it makes no sense.  You're telling me that I have the right to get
black out drunk but I can't smoke a joint, watch a movie, and go to
bed?  That's outrageous.

As for your studies, you're a complete waste of time.  What are the
use of studies if you only read the headline, champ?  I'll just point
out one - the marijuana = psychosis.  It's routinely accepted that this
finding persists because people that are predisposed to or suffering
from mental illness are more likely to experiment with drugs.  Really
not that hard to figure out.

Health benefits of alcohol bwahahahaha 

If possible, please exert a little self control, and refrain from
responding with a list.  We get it, you don't work, stop rubbing it in
our faces. 

Joking? I don't smoke the funny stuff

I never claimed alcohol is more danerous than pot.

I'll try to stop responding with facts so you can continue your emotional rants.

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Pop Tech-So Much Wasted Time & Effort- So Easily Dismissed

Pop Tech acts as a propagandist in his presentation of studies to
make a case against legalizing marijuana and to make a case for
legalized alcohol, while ignoring tobacco. He flaunts his extreme
bias, selectively choosing which information to use and not to use. He only uses misleading headlines of articles, yet the articles
tell a more innocuous story.
The scientific community would reject Pop Tech's presentation (his
postings) based on the extreme bias and we should too. Then there's
his offensive hypocritical position against the same freedom for
marijuana as extended to alcohol and tobacco.

Let me start by
easily dismissing the studies and argument against smoking pot by
making them totally irrelevant. 

--Simply Legalize the sale of marijuana 
but only in food products. No physical endangerment -None.*
 

-----No study has ever proven serious to life threatening physical
conditions due to smoking pot alone.

-----No One Has Ever Died of Cancer, Emphysema, or other
Respiratory Diseases From Smoking Marijuana Alone.  In fact one
of Pop Tech's referenced articles states that studies have shown NO
increased risk of emphysema  from smoking pot. 

----- It is impossible to overdose on marijuana. There is never
any immediate physical danger, let alone life threatening, in simply smoking pot.

Pop Tech insults our intelligence in so many ways. His extreme
bias is flaunted in his selective choices on what he uses and doesn't
present, thinking we would miss his choice to use studies of
frequent or heavy pot use
, use among young people (no group
advocating the legalization of pot advocates making it available to
those under 18, but unfortunately that group can get it relatively
easy now), and use in combination with other negative factors (such as use with alcohol or with other illnesses such as Hepatitis) while only citing studies of low to moderate alcohol use.
Or that we wouldn't read these studies beyond the headlines and find
none of the studies prove serious ill effects from moderate use of
marijuana alone.

* Does not address auto accidents due to using pot because no
group advocates the legalization of driving under the influence of
pot.

Might also be worth noting

Might also be worth noting he seems to have 'pinned' on his expertise today.

It shouldnt surprise anymore....

These are people who hail Woodstock as some kind of historical event, when it was really just a bunch of idiots getting stoned on various drugs. 

I'm not sure about pot, but

I'm not sure about pot, but I'm all for making CBS illegal.

CR... I Second

CR...

I Second that!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Weeds, huh.

I don't get Showtime, and I've never heard of this program, let alone seen it. But I would guess that if its producers and writers are as self-righteous about smoking pot as their "Celia" character is about abstaining, she will commit some horribly violent act because she's not hip.

Is Celia, by any chance, a white, evangelical Christian character who votes Republican? If so, her demise on the show is certain.

 

I think she's right. 

I think she's right. 

"Weeds" is apparently about

"Weeds" is apparently about a suburan divorcee that to make ends meet becomes a felon drug pusher.  Of course, Hollyweird makes her out to be hip. 

I never knew that a show of this kind existed, but hey, if we can have a show about "swingers" on prime time TV and TV movies that give their tacit approval of adults engaging in sex with a minor - as long as the adult is female and the minor is male for now - then why not?

I gotta ask, where is the outrage?  This is crap TV.  It is a despicable that our FCC is allowing trash like this to be broadcast over public airwaves.  This and the Swingtown crap ought to be flushed back into the cesspool where it came from. 

 

 

Predictably, Perkins

Predictably, Perkins replied: "Oh, yeah, absolutely...Alcohol is legal. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why marijuana's not. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me."

   Well actually we need pot available.  If the 'weed' and all the other mood altering substances available were to dissappear we wouldn't get all the fine entertainment out of hollywood that we have grown accustomed to.  And without their use of these mind sharpening drugs we would be without all the brilliance and inner wisdom that so many actors and guitar strummers now possess and who use that wisdom to become guides for all the rest of us.

Isn't this like an actress

Isn't this like an actress thinking she knows all about farming because she played a farmer's wife in a movie?

If Perkins played a hooker, do you think Chen would have asked her if she thought prostitution should be legal?

 

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

I have always supported the

I have always supported the legalization of marijuana simply to eliminate the need for drug dealers.

Do What?

Cocain, PCP, LSD, Crack... the list goes on.. Eliminate drug dealers?? How??

During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.

Eliminate Drug Trade

That's what I really want. If we can get rid of the low-life drug dealers and the gang activity surrounding it, we'd be much better off. Admittedly we're more likely to have more people who have smoked themselves retarded, but that's the tradeoff that comes with freedom of choice. I'll admit to having tried it and that the only real reason I somewhat support its illegality is because I don't like the substance. At the end of the day, I think we should just regulate the drug like we do tobacco and alcohol. Also, we need to tax it heavily so these liberals make money to support the socialist policies they put in place. Escapism is immoral, but making it illegal to escape through the use of a substance seems silly to me. We have so many people addicted to cigarettes and alcohol, so how much of a difference would it make to have people addicted to legalized marijuana?

ThatDude - with regard to

ThatDude - with regard to your smoked themselve silly comment if you actually if you look at countries where marijuana is normalized, such as Denmark, usage among the general population is lower than in America.

Yeah, I'm also aware of

Yeah, I'm also aware of that. However, I'm unsure how much of that is a cause of the culture. It seems likely that legalization of marijuana would rival or supercede the current tobacco use. This is only my opinion though. It's more likely that the popular use of marijuana here has more to do with it being against the law and something of a taboo. As for my comment about Americans smoking themselves silly, plenty already do so and legalization would likely raise the number exponentially. Americans have a tendency to overindulge. In the end though, it's a personal choice and making the substance illegal is fairly unnecessary.

I support legalisation and

I support legalisation and have never once touched the stuff, both because of personal choice and to avoid a conflict of interest.

All drugs should be legalized

Weeds is a pretty good show except that every few episodes, a character has to go on a 2 or 3 minute whine fest about Bush.  There's plenty not to like about Bush, but of course they always hit him from the left.  Let's just say they're not whining about him being weak on the border...but I digress.

 Back to the part about all drugs being legalized.  Well marijuana being legal is a no brainer, but they should just go ahead and legalize it all...yes, even the "hard stuff".  But there would be a catch.  Absolutely zero tax dollars should go to prevention and rehab.  You want to shoot heroin?  Go ahead but don't expect any free needles from the taxpayers.  You're addicted to meth and want to quit?  Well feel free to pay for rehab yourself.  What, you say that if you don't get help you'll die?  Tough.  You made the choice.  Live with it...or don't, it's not my problem. 

I also think that the penalties for providing drugs to minors, driving while under the influence, etc. should be tripled upon legalization.  It's all about personal responsibility and choice.  As a 33 year old, gainfully employed, tax paying citizen; I think I'm a big enough boy to come home from work, kick back on the couch with a joint, and watch the Glenn Beck show in the privacy of my own living room.

 

I have never heard a sane

I have never heard a sane and logical argument as to why we should legalize drugs. Never!

Enemies of the USA love the idea of a nation of whacked out lazy good for nothing slackers. It makes for a much easier citizenry to control.

We need clear headed, logical thinking people to keep this country from falling into the hands of our enemies and legalizing drugs works against us as a society.

Legalize drugs.... very bad idea!

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This is where I depart the Republican agenda.


Enemies of the USA love the idea of a nation of whacked out lazy good
for nothing slackers. It makes for a much easier citizenry to control.

We need clear headed, logical thinking people to keep this country
from falling into the hands of our enemies and legalizing drugs works
against us as a society.

Isn't that the same as saying that other countries won't sit by and say "okay" because we eat as much as we want, ride around in SUVs, and keep our thermostats at seventy degrees?

Even if drugs were legal, I wouldn't touch them, because I am rational, but mostly because I have the power to decide for myself. I think you're taking on the liberal perspective of denying people choices because you don't trust their ability to act as independent human beings. It's no better than making drugs mandatory for all people because they don't know any better.

Foolican... Yours is a

Foolican...

Yours is a downright silly argument.

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Explain, pray, the reasoning

Explain, pray, the reasoning behind that conclusion, for those that don't have the patience to read my writing.

Choices... Let's just

Choices...

Let's just cancel the seat belt laws while we are at it. After all, it should my choice right?

 

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And bike helmet laws, too.

And bike helmet laws, too. In fact, while we're at it, let's take those silly government warning labels off mattresses and airbags. Those who are stupid enough to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet deserve to be offed.

Free Choice

Well, yes, we should cancel the seat belt law.  You see, the real test is to know whether or not you are infringing on someone else's individual right.  My not wearing a seat belt doesn't infringe on your rights, does it?

magical... But it will

magical...

But it will impact me, and you know it!

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???

I'm spinning my wheels trying to figure out how magical's not wearing a seat belt affects you wearing yours.

I'm with you on removing

I'm with you on removing mandatory helmet and seatbelt laws, all because I'm for thinning the herd. If these simple safety measures don't make any sense to you, go for it. As someone whose seatbelt spared me serious injury in a car accident, I choose to wear mine, but if someone else doesn't, I don't care.

I honestly don't have a good argument for legalizing marijuana, but I do have one for keeping it illegal: stoners are SO damn annoying! The asinine pontificating, the depth of stupid things, the laughing, etc. Can we compromise and legalize the drug but criminalize the stoners? ;-)

Foolican, I totally agree.

Foolican,

I totally agree.  I don't like seatbelt laws.  I don't like helmet laws.  I particularly don't like marijuana laws.  As for hard drugs? Fine, hard drugs manufactured/refined drugs like heroin, cocaine, crack, excstacy, etc should be banned.  But marijuana?  Hell, my grandfather worked in Argentina when coca leaves were legal and nobody really got out of hand.

Bottom line: I always wear a seatbelt, I always would wear a helmet, I don't drink, smoke or do any drugs.  HOWEVER, I don't like the government telling people what to do.  Sure, driving while under the influence of anything would be illegal, but what a person does INSIDE their home (whether it be drugs, sex (except with minors ofcourse) firearms, etc. should be no business of the law.

Honestly, I can't believe I live in a culture where a woman can go whore around, get pregnant, and annihilate the life of the baby but I can't smoke a little weed when I feel like it.

mm... That is exactly how

mm...

That is exactly how I feel about the govt. intrusion too of our personal freedoms, they have been peeling them away little by little since I can remember, the seat belt laws were the exact reason I started paying attention to politics, how govt. worked ect. when I was very young, when I had time that is, but I have ever since...and it has not been better, it has been worse.

It has also helped destroy businesses if able, or a detriment to them, let alone all the $$$ they make in the meantime.

I could go on and on...it entails so much, from insurance rates to tickets, city state feds ect..

Being forced instead of choices has been outrageous.

I'd like to start with Nader's Raiders...who came in force with the Carter administration...the lawyers ect...

...and it continues on... 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh 

I know!  In my lifetime, I

I know!  In my lifetime, I have seen the government take away numerous rights that we used to take for granted.  For example, here in California there are hardly any beaches left where you can walk a dog.  Surfers are not "allowed" to go surfing if the ranger deems it "unsafe" (even if you are a pro surfer).  You are not allowed to sit in the bed of a truck while it is moving (like the good ol' days) even if you are on a country road!  MUST have insurance.  Can't use cell phone in the car while driving (although a trucker can use a CB???).  You MUST spay cats and dogs.  You MUST license your bicycle.  NO open containers on the beach.  Children have to dress up like HOCKEY PLAYERS if they want to ride a bicycle in public (helmets, arm pads, etc etc.)  Oh, I think it's even illegal now simply to spank a child.  I could go on but these are the the few rights I have noticed in MY lifetime that have eroded.

Oh, they are trying to eliminate our right to purchase "vitamins and herbal supplements" now too.  See, the thinking is that the average consumer is not bright enough to determine what vitamins or herbs they might want to try.  They want these to be sold my pharmacists only. :(

Enemy of the USA?

As a clear-headed, logical conservative I support legalizing marijuana and I happen to love this country.  Question for you: why don't you support the ban on alcohol too?

Because

Because the Republican Old Guard likes to forget how well the 18th Amendment Prohibition went for this country's crime rate.

How do you know that I

How do you know that I don't support it?

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Do you support prohibition?

So Clear thinker, do you or don't you support a ban on alcohol?  Answer one way, and you are a nanny-stater that the Left would be  proud of, answer another way, and you're inconsistent.  I'm all ears...

A ban on alcohol is no big

A ban on alcohol is no big deal for me.... I live in a dry county.

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Well, I agree with you

Well, I agree with you there. Decisions on freedoms and liberties should be determined at the state and municipal level, not at a federal level. That's how a federalist republic effectively works, and I have no objection to how you choose to live in that aspect.

PT... Oh, I hear ya. All

PT...

Oh, I hear ya. All I'm saying is... if it was the law I would follow it. That's all.

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Understood

I got that but I was really replying to magical. I am not a drinker myself but unlike pot there are legitimate health benefits to certain drinks, especially red wine.

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PT... BLACK GOLD...

Gotta go, my new favorite show is on. It's called Black Gold. I love watching oil being found in Texas!

BBL!

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My type of show

Clear, thanks I had not heard of it, I will check it out.

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Pop Tech...

It's on tru TV channel.

Commercial is over, gotta go.

 

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PopTech, Marijuana has

PopTech,

Marijuana has proven medical benefits esp. with regard to pain management. Wouldn't it be great if you could prescribe someone marijuana instead of Oxycontin?

Furthermore, your alcohol is healthier slant is so easily dismantled it's not even worth the effort. Sounds like someone likes the sauce to me.

Weed grows naturally on every continent except Anatartica and it has been used by all people throughout history for thousands of years. It's so silly that something that grows naturally is illegal.

Indeed

And media bias busting obviously isn't limited to NB, as this single link amply proves. "Flawed science + uncritical reporting = misinformation." I like it, and once again for those who weren't listening before, the financial incentive bias behind pot "science" is exactly the same as the financial incentive bias inherent in climate change "science." The idea that one is totally trustworthy and the other isn't despite similar incentives & ample evidence of media hysteria is laughable.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Pot Head "Science" vs Climate Change.... selling the funny stuff

Sure... the coorelation is so obvious. Yes there is financial bias for pot heads to get pot legalized despite all the dangers of smoking it. Sorry but brain damage, cancer, heart disease, infertility, lung disease, obesity, pregnancy failure, gum disease and risk of viral infection are not good selling points for the funny stuff.

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Hey, you may not like it

But he busted a hell of a lot of media bias which wasn't exactly "pro pot." That's why you continually resort to ad hominem, as if whether someone smoked weed even matters. You obviously sense just how weak your "arguments" have become.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Obviously smoking weed is unrelated

All the pro-pot heads never used pot and it has nothing to do with the issue, obviously.

Anti-pot media bias - a horrendous crime. I hate having science to back up my position.

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Marijuana has no medical benefits including pain relief

Just more propaganda pushed by pot heads.

Oral Cannabis Ineffective In Treating Acute Pain, Study Finds (Science Daily)

My "alcohol has health benefits" reality is backed up by over 70 scientific studies.

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What about liquor, then?

What about liquor, then? Over the counter sleep aids? No-Doz?

If the majority of people

If the majority of people in this country wanted laws like that, and our reps in congress passed laws making them illegal, well so be it.

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If the majority of people

If the majority of people supported slavery, would Congress be justified in repealing the Thirteenth Amendment?

See how your argument doesn't hold up as a matter of mere majority rule?

Keep in mind that our Reps

Keep in mind that our Reps in Congress are just that "representatives" of the people.

If some crazy movement got started in this country and a majority of people were demanding that their Reps vote a certain way, don't they have an obligation to "represent" their constituents?

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Constitutionality

Not if it violated the Constitution....unless of course, they got a two-thirds majority to change it....

And that's why law professors

Hate my "ok, let's debate repealing Amendment 9" proposal. It almost sends sparks flying out of their hair, they hate the idea so much. And it's lefty law professors (like Barak Obama, for example) who control what's in "CON LAW," which every law student must take. Needless to say, the 9th stays forgotten.
JMR

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WRONG! Representatives

WRONG! Representatives have an obligation to follow the Constitution above all else, no matter how unpopular the correct answer may be.

(Full disclosure: I am not, nor have I ever been, a Ron Paul supporter.)

Who said anything about

Who said anything about going against the constitution?

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Not sure I agree with that.

Not sure I agree with that. You legalize marijuana. You make it illegal to smoke it if you're under 21, to drive under the influence, etc. 

Works for me. 

Government decides what is and isn't good for you?

OK, so because alcohol has more health benefits than marijuana, it's ok to keep alcohol legal while banning marijuana???

That is the kind of logic that do good nanny-state Leftists use to pry into our private and business lives.  You do realize this don't you?

 

"OK, so because alcohol has

"OK, so because alcohol has more health benefits than marijuana, it's ok to keep alcohol legal while banning marijuana???"

Please show me where Pop Tech said that. Or even hinted at it!

 

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Nothing to do with the Nanny State

Legalizing pot is all about pot heads trying to find rationality for what they do. They are desperately trying to fnd legitimacy for their weak minded behavior. That is all this is about.

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Talk about broad strokes...

So, by inference,  you assume that the many conservatives posting here in favor of legalization are potheads.  So sad to see the state of conservatism today...so many self-described conservatives that wish to impede other's individual rights.

What you do not seem to understand Pop, is that it is one's right to be weak-minded or stupid or offensive! Or do you wish the government to legislate everything that may be abused or endangering to oneself? Why do you draw the line at marijuana?  Because of health benefits or lack thereof?  Why not ban alcohol?  Where the hell is you consistency?

Your logic takes us down the same slippery slope that makes it OK to legislate speech...see Canada aand Europe for "hate speech" tribunals.

 

 

Either current Pot Heads or former users

It doesn't matter those pushing pot legalization have used it. 

You are confusing the regulation of the possession and selling of pot with regulating intelligence. I made not such suggestion to the latter.

Where the hell is your memory? Too much pot maybe?

The Dangers of Smoking Marijuana

vs.

The Health Benefits of Alcohol

Yes please jump off the cliff to now talking about regulating speech so you try to rationalize your current or former pot use.

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BINGO... Pop Tech

"Legalizing pot is all about pot heads trying to find rationality for what they do." 

That's exactly right!

Stoners also want to have it legal cause they are scared of  jail.

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Foolican, Damian G, magicalangelicus

You guys are too weird for me, so go get high, get drunk, or have yourself a nice old toke of crystal whatever. 

Good night and don't let the storm troopers get you! Or do you call them jack booted thugs?

 

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How NICE of you to assume

How NICE of you to assume I'm a conspiracy-theory prone addict! For someone who claims to be a "clear thinker", you sure do let your preconceptions cloud your judgement of others.

Supporting Individual Rights is "Weird"?

Clear thinker, your positions are a perfect example of where many on the Left and Right meet - statism. You should read the book Nanny State to see what I'm talking about.

You'll have to do better than label defenders of individual rights and the constitution as "weird". For starters, engage in constructive dialogue. 

The sad irony is that I am sure you consider yourself a patriot yet I'm not sure you understand what makes up American exceptionalism and greatness. Start with the constitution and go from there...

The Constitution supports smoking Pot?

The Liberatarians are out

The Liberatarians are out in force tonight.

Not really

It's just that American taxpayers are getting tired of paying more & more for a total failure. Like it or not -- and for many myth-parrots it's clearly 'not:' "countries with more stringent policies toward illegal drug use did not have lower levels of such drug use than countries with more liberal policies." By the way, endless lists of health benefits/risks are 100% irrelevant as far as why these control freak laws were enacted in the first place (see various racism links below, folks, drugwar-history isn't going down the memory-hole that easily as long as I'm around...)

Oh, and see Amendment 9. Upon reading it, if you don't like it, how 'bout doing the honest thing & advocating its repeal instead of continued ignorance?
JMR

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Sarc

It's just that American taxpayers are getting tired of paying more & more for a total failure.

Now you've got my attention. They do seem to spend a lot of money that isn't backed up by results. Unless an artificial "price support" can be considered a result.

 

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→ The revolving door

Pot Heads are the easiest to manage when it comes to criminal justice.

They quietly do their community service and regularly test positive upon visiting parole officers.

One busted kid can make a nice little chunk of change for the legal system without a great deal of effort.

Lawyers love pot cases.  Slam dunk "fill in the blanks" forms, and repeat business. 

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The Constititution Declares Pot Illegal? I did not know that.

PopTech- In the future could you stop the nonsense ?

This is what I don't get about the Republican party

They hate big government, but they want to nanny state what t we do in the privacy of own homes. ie weed, prostitution.

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

We didn't need to know this

It is not necessary to tell us what you do in your home.

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Yeah Whatever PopTech

Weed does not  do anything to your memory either, It is a common myth that..that......ummm what was I talking about again?

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Shawn,  Oh come on, you

Shawn, 

Oh come on, you are not serious.  I have personally seen how Marijuana affects the motor and brain capabilities of an individuals.

Marijuana is a very dangerous drug that too many people under play.   

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watermelon the new viagra

Hi Fut

A report came out today that watermelon is the new viagra  These are just studies and there is nothing conclusive, just like bad side effects of marijuana.

I don't believe you should smoke pot every day, just like you should drink in moderation.

I have known lots of people that smoke pot and many of them are very successful and sharp. I just wish they woud stop calling me for  my urine. :-)

However I do know many that like to smoke and eat munchies and that is all they do. 

I still do not believe it is the role of government to control what I do in the privacy of my home. This is a double standard of wanting smaller government, but want to take away our rights to smoke a little weed.

Fut, this is my biggest problem with the republican party. I want smaller government. drilling in Anwar, but I hate the nanny state attitude when it comes to social issues.

 

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

shawn,

...but I hate the nanny state attitude when it comes to social issues.

Same here, which is why I am voting straight libertarian come November. Consequences be damned.

I am beyond sick of not just people using government as an instrument of plunder (democrats), but also as a hammer to bludgeon those who do things they don't like, but affect no one else negatively (republicans).

LOL-Now, if you will excuse me, I'm off to Kroger to buy some watermellon(s). :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

RD

LMAO. eat some for me friend. I'm married so  I would need a whole watermelon, a dozen oysters and a crate of chocolate, lol. Just kidding. ;-)

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

The bad side effects of Marijuana are scientifically documented

The Dangers of Smoking Marijuana

This constant propaganda that smoking pot is safe or causes no adverse side effects to your health is getting old and tiring.

Smaller government has nothing to do with smoking pot.

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PopTech

"Smaller government has nothing to do with smoking pot. "

When they try to enforce it, that is considered big govenment.

Smoking cigarettes can give you lung cancer. eating KFC can clog your arteries. These are both proven facts. It is not the role of government to control what you do to your own body.

If it affects others, I agree, but you are only doing harm to yourself.

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

By that notion any enforced law is "big government"

That is a ridiculous definition.

The problem with legalization is that it then gives these drugs the appearance of safety which they are not. The push to legalize pot has further spread this propaganda.

So should all drugs currently regulated by doctors be legalized too?

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Do you know what an individual right is???

PopTech, I suggest you go here first:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_rights

Again, your logic fails you.  We (us libertarian conservatives) believe that the law should protect individual rights, not impede them.  Is that so difficult to understand?!

 

 

 

Shawn, Do you not believe

Shawn,

Do you not believe that we need rules and laws in our society?  

Where does it end?

As you well know, Shawn, I used to work in law enforcement.  First hand experience with delears, users, etc, etc.  Marijuana destroys homes, families, marriages, sibling relationships, communities, etc.  This is why we need laws against it. 

I agree, if your actions do not affect anyone else, so be it, it is on you. 

But that is not the case, take it from someone that saw the effects of marijuana at all levels of our society.  On the individual, on the family and on the community. 

 

 

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futbol

Yes I do believe we need rules and laws in our society, 

I truly believe Marijuana is a victimless crime. Cocaine, Crystal Meth and Heroin I believe ruin lives, but a little pot...to me is no big deal at all. It is nowhere near as addictive and you cannot die from withdrawal symtoms, and maybe be a little irritable.

Tell me how marijuana ruins homes and communities any worse than alchohol does

 

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

More Pot Propaganda

Pot is ok but Cocaine, Crystal Meth and Heroin are not? Typical propaganda. The negative health effects of pot are well documented:

The Dangers of Smoking Marijuana

Pot users all have to try and rationalize their weak-minded choices.

 

 

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Popular Tech, Well

Popular Tech,

Well said.  Most of those defending the use of Marijuana are pot users themselves.  Obviously, like you said, they want to excuse their weak minded behavior. 

How small minded of them. 

 

 

 

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shawn228, Victimless

shawn228,

Victimless crime?  you are kidding, right?  There is nothing victimless about it. 

I have seen first hand how mother's, father's, daughters and sons have committed horrible crimes while under the effects of Marijuana. 

Furthermore, how delears abouse those that sell Marijuana for them. 

How gangbangers steal, rob and murder for Marijuana. 

 Victimless?  c'mon shawn, what world do you live in? 

Marijuana IS NOT a victimless crime.  I am sorry shawn, this is pur propaganda!

I am telling you, from first hand experience, Marijuana is not a safe drug. 

I drove more than one dying kid in my squad car after their first Marijuana smoke. 

Gosh, I am telling you, the lies that are sold to us civillians. 

And alchohol, you are not comparing the two, are you? 

c'mon, I know you are smarter than this. 

fut

I agree with you about the dealers, Pot is a very lucritive drug where I am from. Vancouver BC. It is trading pound for pound with cocaine in the United States. This dealer problem would be eliminated if we decriminalized it would it not?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but what horrible crimes were committed under marijuana. Breaking into a Fritolay plant?

I have not heard of one case of someone dying on marjuana, I believe the children you brought to the hospital were having a very bad high, which I am not trying to downplay, but I hardly think they were dying

 

 

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Shawn228, My

Shawn228,

My friend...

1)  Now I know your problem, you are a Liberal AND Canadia- I take it you are proud of our military protecting your skies, ground, etc.  No wonder!  :-) 

2)  No, no, my friend, gang fights break out constantly in Chicago for the control of the selling of this drug. 

3)  Have you ever tried to forcefully take away Marijuana bags from a person that sells it or uses it?  They are like enraged animals that are willing to do whatever, including murder, to keep their Marijuana.

4)  As for the the very bad high.  Shawn, come on EXACTLY!!!!  my point.  And they DID die. 

5)  Do you know how many people I had to throw in jail and their families were destroyed thanks to the fact that they were driving high under Marijuana and doing stupid things with their cars?  Do you know how many car accidents with deaths at the scence I had to deal with thanks to people driving while high?

6)  Do you know how many kids, fathers, mothers I arrested because they were physically attacking someone while they were high?  C'mon Shawn, your Fritolay comment is quite ignorant and insulting. 

Stop believing what the media doesn't tell you. 

Believe me I know, in Chicago most of the freaking media are pot users themselves and they refuse to report on any story that showed how dangerous Marijuana truly is.

 I am going to make an assumption here and I could be wrong, but it sounds like you probably are a pot user and you can't probably believe that you using pot causes any harm to anyone.  Or maybe you have a friend or family member that uses it.

Just think about this, whom ever you bought your pot from (if you do pot) got it illegally.  the money that you paid is probably paying for the gun(s) of a gang that will use it to commit murder.  Think about that next time you are buying pot. 

And if you got it from someone that grows it on their backyard, just wait and see until someone finds out that they grow Marijuana, how their plant will eventually be stolen and in the process, that person will be injured or murdered.  Once again, don't tell me these things don't happen, since I have experienced them all, as a cop, first hand. 

Marijuana IS NOT a Victimless crime. 

 

Fut

I am born and bred in Vancouver Canada, but I am also a US citizen that resides in the San Francisco Bay Area and yes I am very proud of our military protecting Canada's sky as well as ours.

I used pot in my younger days, but as a parent I figure that would not be a responsible thing to do.

My point is, even I don't do it, I hate to have that right taken away.

Seriously Fut, I am not calling you liar, but the kids that died while on pot were there any other factors. There has not been one documented case of someone dying from pot.

You woud have to smoke 2/3rds of you body weight in fifteen minutes to die from it.

I have to go to work, but you have a good day fut.

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Shawn228, Well, I am not

Shawn228,

Well, I am not doctor, so you may be right that these individuals died from laced Marijuana. 

However, my point stands.  Marijuana is not a victimless crime.  Individuals kill for it, have killed under the influence of it and have committed many other Felonies, not misdemeanors, while under the effects of it. 

As a cop, my eyes were opened to a world that 99.9% of the society doesn't have a clue about.  And believe me, I would have rather remaind ignorant about it. 

Thank you fut :-) Some

→ But Officer

You said "only maijuana".

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Fut, You are making

Fut,

You are making classic anti-pot arguments which I will point out for you. I don't doubt you have a lot of experience around the "criminal" aspect of marijuana. But you are making erroneous cause-and-effect correlations that might not necessarily be true. The point is, A LOT of Americans smoke pot, even more so in the lower class areas where police often spend a lot of their time. And you naturally want to blame it's association for almost every crime because you see it everywhere you go.

To your specific points:

2)  No, no, my friend, gang fights break out constantly in Chicago for the control of the selling of this drug. 


3)  Have you ever tried to forcefully take away Marijuana bags from a
person that sells it or uses it?  They are like enraged animals that
are willing to do whatever, including murder, to keep their Marijuana.

VERY TRUE. First off, since its illegal and America's #1 cash crop, it is big business. That is because its ILLEGAL. And the idea that "forcefully" taking away someones marijuana could turn them into an enraged animal is because of the injustice they perceive going on. What if somoene tried to "forcefully" take your six-pack while you were sitting in your living room watching the game, and then they wanted to take you to jail? Would you become enraged?

I'm not going to even begin to argue against your idea that marijuana is a killer "all by itself." The 1 document you gave wasn't even a specific case. There is no documented evidence of a marijuana overdose, not one case. Marijuana can combine with other more harmful drugs and cause death, but not by itself. That is completely false and misleading to continue to promote that idea.

5)  Do you know how many people I had to throw in jail and their
families were destroyed thanks to the fact that they were driving high
under Marijuana and doing stupid things with their cars?  Do you know
how many car accidents with deaths at the scence I had to deal with
thanks to people driving while high?

No one is saying there is anything positive to be gained while driving high on weed. Just like it is dangerous to get behind the wheel when drunk, however it doesn't justify making alcohol illegal to adults.

6)  Do you know how many kids, fathers, mothers I arrested because they were physically attacking someone while they were high?

Once again, you are seeing this through the filter and ignoring the fact that marijuana is so widely used that you are going to see it much more often than not, especially in high-crime areas. Anyone who has done real unbiased research knows marijuana by itself decreases aggression and violence substantially. Just because you often find people have smoked weed before committing physical violence, does not mean it is the sole factor. Often in these cases, alcohol and other drugs are involved. Or nothing else may be involved, and the person would've gotten into a fight regardless if they had smoked or not (probably sooner if they hadn't smoked). 

"Just think about this, whom ever you bought your pot from (if you do
pot) got it illegally.  the money that you paid is probably paying for
the gun(s) of a gang that will use it to commit murder.  Think about
that next time you are buying pot. 

And if you got it from someone that grows it on their backyard, just
wait and see until someone finds out that they grow Marijuana, how
their plant will eventually be stolen and in the process, that person
will be injured or murdered.  Once again, don't tell me these things
don't happen, since I have experienced them all, as a cop, first hand"

That whole argument is basically pro-legalization. Everything you described happens because marijuana is illegal and run by criminal enterprises. Take away the criminal element and you take away most of your gangs, your murders, and your thefts.

 

 

"Marijuana destroys homes,

"Marijuana destroys homes, families, marriages, sibling relationships, communities, etc. This is why we need laws against it."

Wow. Reefer madness.

This is classic prohibitionist propaganda. As many other people have pointed out here, there is no difference between this and leftists who want to control every aspect of our lives. Like the example above, leftists use hysteria, ignorance, and hyperbole to push their agenda.

Not only that...

It's assumed that a budget which went from ~$75 million to $2.4 Billion didn't damage families, marriages, communities, etc. as if this ongoing history of failure involved no tax burden whatsoever on those of us who have noticed it's not working. It's amazing. The media, as usual, tends to totally ignore the libertarian POV on the story, which has magnified the importance of the 'net for us as a sort of "pressure relief valve."
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Killgrave, Welll, thanks

Killgrave,

Welll, thanks for calling my first hand experience ignorant.

Call it ignorant seeing high schoolers die from Marijuana and having to move their bodies around to be able to find out the crime. 

Call it ignorant having to drive to the emergency room 20 some year olds who are dying from Marijuana use.

Call it ignorant having to shoot a mother, father, son, daughter who is unwilling to listen to police orders because they are too high on Marijuana to understand what's about to happen to them.

Call it ignorant having to dive to the bottom of Lake Michigan to retrieve the bodies of 13, 15, 18, 20 some year olds after they drown during a Marijuana party. 

Why don't you call the families of these individuals and tell them that their son, daughter, father, mother death is hyperbole and exageration. 

Marijuana IS NOT a Victimless crime.  This is pure propaganda from wacky left wingers and wacky Libeterians who do not have a clue about what they are talking about. 

Get a clue Killgrave, become a cop and see how much you deal with Marijuana related crimes. 

incredibly the propaganda individuals like you are willing to sell to get their garbage passed as truth.  sad, truly sad.

In these instances you refer

In these instances you refer to, there is nothing else but marijuana involved? There was no alcohol?

Do you know if any of these instances involved weed that was spiked with hard drugs like PCP?

And how does one "die" from MJ "poisoning", if we are only talking about weed? Please explain.

Serioulsy fut

Can you even find one case of someone dying from marijuana?  Just the effects alone. Not stupidity like drowing in a pool or falling off a building.

 

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Shawn228, Yes shawn, I

Shawn228,

Yes shawn, I personally drove in my squad car kids that were high on Marijuana and died from the effects of it alone!  nothing else, nothing else!

Marijuana is a dangerous, very dangerous drug. 

I am sorry to say Shawn, you are selling a point of view despite the fact that you are very poorly informed about it. 

 

One more thing before I go fut

The world wide web is very very big place. Lots of information, lots of police reports and articles. Do you think you can find an article or reference to someone oding on weed and dying from it?

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Death from Marijuana

Shawn228,

Here you go.  Ask and you shall receive. 

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/sourcefiles/MJstrokes.pdf

 

→ Really?

And in what Country did "kids" (plural) die in your squad car from "only marijuana" overdoses?

Forensics in the USA don't generally sweep cases under he carpet quite as easily as others.

And a cop who had multiple kids die of "only marijuana" overdoses in his squad car would be up for some serius investigation.

I think there's plenty enough valid information available to present a cogent argument against legalizd maijuana.

An obsequious acceptance of anecdotes isn't necessary, thanks.

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Cool Arrow, Sure

Cool Arrow,

Sure Deceiver, if that's what you want to believe.

Cool Arrow, Deceiver, if

Cool Arrow,

Deceiver, if it makes you happy to belive it.  Believe it, son.

 

"Fut, I find your religion a brutally Satanic rape and dismemberment of the...Holy Bible" July 1, 2008 by Tracheostomy

→ Say what?

You can argue against Marijuana from the standpoint that it is a gateway to other drugs.

You can argue against it from the standpoint that its use can stunt ones intelectual growth, and gumption.

You can argue according to its chronic effects on lungs.

But I doubt you ever investigated a marijuana overdose scene where you had to move bodies around to "find out the crime" (whatever that means).  It would have been national news.

Notice the new, more cordial Cool Arrow didn't take the bait and "call it ignorant".

While our forefathers

While our forefathers believed in a small government, they also knew they needed to enact some laws to protect all Americans. This was their first attempt to provide consistent laws throughout the land. They knew that some would see this as an attempt to control (infringe) daily lives but also saw the benefits. Murder, bad juju, and so on.

As for alcohol the temperance movement actually has it's roots during the colonal days and progressed from there.

Now the great debate over pot. Probably half believe it needs to be legalized (including some police), others don't. Major obstacles to overcome would be the effects on others. DUI's from alcohol is bad enough but now it would be compounded by "legal" mind altering drugs. The debate will have to center around the effect to the society as a whole, not individual wants. Some will see it as an infringement on their rights while others will see it as leading to anarchy.

Other laws are just plain bogus, Fairness Doctrine comes to mind. That is what we see as abuse of power. Most "social" programs need to be abolished. And so on. The Constitution grants you the right to "pursue" happiness, doesn't mean you'll achieve it.

The best way to decide what should be law is to listen to the people and have an honest debate. Keep the special interest and other political groups out of it. And above all refer constantly to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

Hope this answers your question there shawn.

How many more innocent Americans are going to die....

...before this hideously stupid "War on Drugs" is finally brought to an end?

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

I think it will finally end

When conservatives finally "get" the fact that taxing the hell out of drugs like weed and treating them like what they are will take most of the fun out of using them.

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis

And for those conservatives who think you're safe from the fascists because you only smoke cigars/cigarettes these days? 2 words: "You're next."
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Pot Head Translation

I really, really want to pretend smoking pot is not really idiotic and bad for my health so I will promote it's legalization under the faux banner of my constitutional rights are being violated and add it in my signature but I really don't smoke the funny stuff, I just campaign non-stop to have it legalized.

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Liar. JMR The tax & spend

Liar.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

My apologizes

You obviously have never smoked pot, you just push it to be legalized like a dime store pimp.

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No, let's just leave it at...

Liar. You make it obvious that the racist, tax and spend drugwar is a religion for some people in your inability to discuss it rationally.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Ah the racist anti-pot religion

Yes of course, I presented no facts. Pot is really good for you and only if it was legalized we could all get brain damage, cancer, heart disease, infertility, lung disease, obesity, gum disease and a viral infection legally.

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PT, the issue is not whether or not pot is harmful to the user.

It is purely a freedom issue.

The government has used the "War on Drugs" as a pretense to trample all over the rights of a large number of American citizens, many who have had no involvement in drug use of any kind.

Our prisons are overflowing with people who are a threat to no one else but themselves. Non-violent drug "offenders" should be released immediately so that there is more room to incarcerate those who actually are a threat to the life, liberty and property of others.

A guy sitting in his den and smoking a joint is no threat to anyone but himself.

It is not the responsibility of government to save us from ourselves, but to see that our rights are protected. Period.

We didn't have a drug "problem" in this country until they were outlawed by busy-body types who decided they didn't like what other people, who were a threat to no one, were doing. As such, they decided to use the force of government to try and prevent them from doing it.

Sorry, but that does not fit into my concept of true freedom.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Fun fact! William F.

Fun fact! William F. Buckley was a major proponent of marijuana decriminalisation, and he was anything but a "libertarian". And like him, I am for decriminalisation and conservative on virtually all other matters.

Ditto

Ditto.  What's such a shame is how far the Republican Party has been drifting towards Nanny Statism.  You see it in federal and local government nowadays.

 

I really, really tried to

I really, really tried to like "Weeds", but it completely lost me. What turned me off was that they try to push permissiveness way beyond adults simply smoking a joint.

They really gloss over the emotional and physical implications of teen sex, for example. Very young kids having sex "isn't a big deal", and I would argue that the show only addresses it for pure titillation. It's not "edgy" or "sexy", it is just plain disturbing.

They also gloss over school-age kids smoking pot. Again, it's not "a big deal". They don't address the fact that pot can seriously affect a kid's motivation and concentration, which are crucial to get ahead in academics. It's also probably a very bad idea to do weed when a body is still developing.

And that is one of my biggest gripes about the national discussion of pot. The Left dominates the pro-legalization dialogue, and these idiots have no clue about the concept of "adult, responsible use". Their minds are still stuck in the 60s, where there are no consequences for risky behavior, and "if it feels good, do it". This only adds fire to the pro-prohibitionist side.

My nephew is a big time pot

My nephew is a big time pot head...he doesn't work a full time job, sponges off the family and his girlfriend, in a nutshell he is a loser. The reason he won't work a regular job is because he knows his employer would insist that he take a drug screen. Legalizing marijuana wouldn't change any of the effects of the drug.

"Effects of the drug" has

"Effects of the drug" has nothing to do with it. A worthless bum is a worthless bum.

It's like mothers (with non-existent fathers) who go to court and cry about their thug sons. They come up with a million excuses, instead of holding their kids accountable for stupid choices.

Pot does often go hand-in-hand with someone who is tragically lazy. But the laziness and lack of character comes first.

But Pot Heads do not hurt anyone!

Shhh.... these people do not exist. He should be able to do what he "feels" like since it is obvious his constitutional rights have been violated and he has every right to sponge off his family since it does not "hurt" them only himself. You always find Tobacco users like this - I mean that is what Wikipedia told me.

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Are you the kind of person

Are you the kind of person who says "guns don't kill people, people kill people"?

But then you seem to assert that pot MAKES someone, who would otherwise be a stellar member of society, worthless.

mmmmkay.

Pot is a mind altering drug

Who would you feel safer pointing a gun at you:

A. Someone who is a chain smoker?

B. Someone stoned out his mind from smoking pot?

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I don't feel safe with

I don't feel safe with EITHER of those guys pointing guns at me.

And frankly, a guy who is stoned out of his mind is very likely not pointing guns, but on a couch watching "Space Ghost" with a bag of Cheetos.

I'll choose the chain smoker

Since one of the choices was not "very likely on a coach watching space ghost with a bag of cheetos". But hey drug use has nothing to do with violent crime. Drug users are outstanding members of society.

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I would choose the potsmoker...

Over the alcholic husband that apologizes when he is drunk and beats his wife and kids when he is hitting the bottle

Many alchoholics have the tendancy to be very violent.

How many stoner wife beaters are there?

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Shawn228, You are right,

Shawn228,

You are right, they may not beat their wife.  They abandon their wife and kids so they can get high all day.

They work for Marijuana and Marijuana alone.  Marijuana becomes their family. 

They don't abuse their families by beating them, they abuse them by not taking care of them by abandoning them. 

The Marijuana becomes their life.

Not to mention, that your assumption is wrong.  Once again Shawn, do you know how many women and men I arrested because they were beating their wife, husband, etc while high?

I will never forget one instance, in which my partner and I were called to a domestic violence situation.

When we got there, forced ourselves in since we could hear screams.  There was a woman stabbing to death her husband.  Guess what she was on, Shawn.  Yes, Marijuana.  she was high only Marijuana. 

We had to testify in court about this case and I will never forget how her lawyer tried to sell to the court that she should not be sentenced for first degree murder, since being high caused her to lose her abilities to think rationally. 

PopTech- Ridiculousness &, Dishonest Distortions are your fortes

This is a ridiculous hypothetical question. You would be scared sh*tless by either one.  There is absolutely no evidence that you're more likely to be shot by someone pointing a gun at you who is stoned on pot versus a chain smoker.

You dishonestly distorted a relevant response from kilgrave, doing the same thing you attacked him for.  The pot user is far less likely to commit a violent act.  Less likely to point the gun, less likely to pull the trigger, much easier subdued. You equate pot use with all drug use.  Abusing alcohol, cocaine, heroin and some other illegal drugs are far more likely to result in violence than pot use.  

 

 

PopTech - 1 more comment on your silly question

PopTech: "Who would you feel safer pointing a gun at you:

A. Someone who is a chain smoker?

B. Someone stoned out his mind from smoking pot?"

This is an astoundingly ridiculous question that has absolutely no relevance or place in a reasonable rational debate among grown ups on use of tobacco vs. pot.

Here's a better question: You're a non-smoker and you're given a choice between spending the rest of your life in a 10' X 10' room, with no ventilation, with either a chain smoker or an average pot smoker and you're knowledgeable on the medical studies of cigarette smoking and pot smoking, which would you choose ?

I think most people would choose the pot smoker and in fact many would soon be sharing a joint considering the situation.  On the other hand, I believe PopTech is a man with the courage of his convictions and would choose the extreme likliehood of lung cancer, respiratory diseases from second hand tobacco smoke over the possible contact high and maybe increased chance of phlegm and cough from 2nd hand pot smoke.

I could care less about the

I could care less about the health of the smoker or pot head, but what Pop is trying to say, I think, is a smoker under the influence of a cig. can still think straight, has better reaction time than if he were smoking a joint.  A smoker with a gun you can reason with, a pot head you can't.  Though it is a bad example...because pot tends to make one relax, so he would be easier to overtake.

I wonder if some of the

I wonder if some of the prohibitionists here attended a certain DA convention in Las Vegas...

KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND! YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of Tea-Shades, but his knuckles will be white from inner tension... and his pants will be (I'll keep that out)

He will stagger and babble when questioned. He will not respect your badge. The Dope Fiend fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command -- including yours...

BEWARE. Any officer apprehending a suspected marijuana addict should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time [on him] will usually save nine on you.

Irony

In all this time the two biggest objections to marijuana are that it has negative helath consequences and that it KILLS.  Never mind the fact, that it is my right to harm myself.  Never mind the fact that if we made alcohol illegal again, we would see much more alcohol-related crime. Point being, most crime related to marijuana is caused by the act of criminalizing it, not the drug itself.

PopTech and Futbol, have you studied the effects of Prohibition in this country???  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

 

are you including the fact

are you including the fact that the prohibition did in fact cause America to drink less, hence would have less drunk drivers, hence less crime?

Since when should we be making policy on how much crime will result...hello, every law defines a crime, so should we get rid of all our laws?  Absurd.

The less crime argument is lame...the only strong argument you have is do we want a Nanny state?  Stick with that one.

If marijuana becomes legal

If marijuana becomes legal, it should damn well be legal to fire someone who smokes it on the job.

Weeds Winner!

And the winner is: Johnny_Banco!

 Thanks guys, this stuff is priceless.

Popular Tech- You wasted your time and ours. You're dismissed

Pop-Tech- "Smoking Pot is much worse than eating a Big Mac."

There isn't a knowledgeable responsible medical doctor in the world that will tell you that smoking pot once is "much worse' than eating a Big Mac once. Once for both causes has NO ill effects.

Please read my more lengthy response to Pop Tech after his 1st post on this topic, near the top of comments.

Liberal Bias or Liberterian Bias, Anti-Nanny State Bias

NewsBusters seems to think this is an example of liberal bias in the media but that's debatable .

I understand Democrats are twice as likely to approve of using pot as Republicans.  I know there's a study that shows more Rebublicans have tried pot than Democrats ( http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy_main/2007/nov/26/republicans_try_mar... ).

Decriminalizing/legalizing pot and other drugs is part of the Libertarians' platform and they're more politically aligned with conservatives than liberals.  I also get the impression conservatives are more strongly opposed to the increasing Nanny State , although I think telling the government to "leave me alone " is something we can and should all get behind more often.

So this is not a clear example of liberal media bias. It could labeled Libertarian bias.  I understand the show "Weeds" can be sighted, rightly or wrongly, as Hollywood liberals promoting drug use.  Or it could just be a show that satirically takes on the reality of pot use in middle America.  But it's too far a stretch to accuse CBS of liberal bias because they interview an actress about pot and her TV show about pot.

 

Abe-not everyone here at NB is a republican.

And libertarians are aligned only with those who support the idea of true freedom.

The "War on Drugs" is not representative of true freedom.

It is, in all reality, government tyranny.

Period.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

though some of us believe

though some of us believe keeping the streets clear of drug addicted individuals is a duty of government.  Especially stuff like crystal meth which will lead to drug induced schizophenia/paranoia with behaviors which cannot be anticipated.  Very dangerous stuff and NEEDS to be illegal at all times in every case.

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