On Wednesday’s CBS "Evening News," political analyst Jeff Greenfield suggested that Barack Obama was becoming more moderate: "...a relentless march to the center. He's determined not to be defined as Dukakis was and as John Kerry was, as outside the mainstream." Greenfield cited examples of Obama’s move to the middle by describing how: "His compromise on warrant -- on how you can wiretap foreign nationals with the FISA compromise, I think, was one example. He's saying maybe his anti-free trade rhetoric was a little overblown."
Greenfield even went so far as to bizarrely claim that Obama’s flip-flop on public financing was somehow evidence of his more moderate positions: "And by abandoning public financing, which he pledged to, he's saying ‘If I got more money than the other guy, I'm going to use it. I want to win.’"
The segment began by anchor Katie Couric declaring: "...the polls of summer. For now the heat is on the Republicans...Barack Obama's getting quite a bounce in the polls." Greenfield continued to tout Obama’s "bounce in the polls" by proclaiming: "It's an early summer blizzard, of polls that is, most of them gladdening Democratic hearts and furrowing Republican brows. Senator Barack Obama is up by 6 points in a USA Today/Gallup Poll, 12 in an LA Times/Bloomberg survey. Newsweek has the spread at 15 points nationally." However, it has been clearly demonstrated that the L.A. Times and Newsweek polls were outliers.
Greenfield also pointed out that: "...while John McCain is even or close in a few states that have recently gone Democratic -- Michigan, for example -- Obama is showing strength in lots of states that Bush won last time. Obama's ahead in Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Colorado, New Mexico." Actually, President Bush did not win New Hampshire in 2004.
Beyond looking at the polls, Greenfield found another indicator of how bad things are for Republicans:
But this television ad on the other hand may be an intriguing straw in the wind. Oregon Republican Senator Gordon Smith, up for re-election this November, cites his work in the Senate with Barack Obama. Citing the presidential nominee of another party is, to say the least, highly unusual...But the larger point is that we all might do better paying less attention to polls this far out and more to those kind of indications like whether politicians from one party are saying nice things about the captain of the other team.
Of course, Oregon is a very blue state and it would not be that unusual for a Republican to run as a moderate.
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
6:48PM TEASER
COURIC: And coming up, the polls of summer. For now the heat is on the Republicans.
6:51PM
KATIE COURIC: Now to presidential politics. Barack Obama's getting quite a bounce in the polls. Our senior political correspondent Jeff Greenfield has the numbers.
JEFF GREENFIELD: It's an early summer blizzard, of polls that is, most of them gladdening Democratic hearts and furrowing Republican brows. Senator Barack Obama is up by 6 points in a USA Today/Gallup Poll, 12 in an LA Times/Bloomberg survey. Newsweek has the spread at 15 points nationally. And state polls show that, while John McCain is even or close in a few states that have recently gone Democratic -- Michigan, for example -- Obama is showing strength in lots of states that Bush won last time. Obama's ahead in Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Colorado, New Mexico. All of which means -- well, what does it mean? Back in July of 1988, Democrat Michael Dukakis was 17 points ahead of Vice President George H.W. Bush. Bush won comfortably. And in mid-June of 1992, Bill Clinton trailed both President Bush and independent candidate Ross Perot. Clinton recovered.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Who says Gordon Smith helped lead the fight for better gas mileage and a cleaner environment? Barack Obama.
GREENFIELD: But this television ad on the other hand may be an intriguing straw in the wind. Oregon Republican Senator Gordon Smith, up for re-election this November, cites his work in the Senate with Barack Obama. Citing the presidential nominee of another party is, to say the least, highly unusual.
GORDON SMITH: I'm Gordon Smith and I approve working together across party lines and this ad.
GREENFIELD: The McCain camp, by the way, points to at least one other poll showing him about even with Obama. But the larger point is that we all might do better paying less attention to polls this far out and more to those kind of indications like whether politicians from one party are saying nice things about the captain of the other team.
COURIC: Well, both candidates were pretty vocal about the Supreme Court decision, both decrying the fact that child rapists could not get the death penalty. But with Barack Obama, you think there's a pattern emerging here.
GREENFIELD: I do. And it's, I think, a relentless march to the center. He's determined not to be defined as Dukakis was and as John Kerry was, as outside the mainstream. His compromise on warrant -- on how you can wiretap foreign nationals with the FISA compromise, I think, was one example. He's saying maybe his anti-free trade rhetoric was a little overblown. And by abandoning public financing, which he pledged to, he's saying 'If I got more money than the other guy, I'm going to use it. I want to win.'
COURIC: Alright. Jeff Greenfield. Jeff, thanks so much.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.















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"He's determined not to be
June 26, 2008 - 17:07 ET by Chris Norman"He's determined not to be defined as Dukakis was and as John Kerry was, as outside the mainstream."
In other words, after being a die hard liberal all his life, Obama's now going to lie and act like he's a moderate, hoping he can fool enough people to get elected. Gotcha.
Let me get this straight...
June 26, 2008 - 17:18 ET by Prester John....defeat in Iraq
...universal health care (except for babies who survive abortion)
...increased Social Security taxes
...increased federal income and estate taxes
...no new drilling for oil
...free college tuition for all
...had a couple of hate filled lunatics as spiritual advisors
Yep, sounds like a centrist to me.
You obviously haven't read
June 26, 2008 - 19:06 ET by Indiana JoeYou obviously haven't read Obama's "Flip-flops to Come" paper.
CTTOI, you just outlined it!
Anymore questions about what he means by "change?"
March to the center...
June 26, 2008 - 17:26 ET by Clear thinkerMy rear-end!
Only someone from that far-far-far left would consider him to be marching towards the center. In my book, he would have to march to hell and back to even get close.
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I'd be satisfied with the
June 26, 2008 - 17:27 ET by CortillaenI'd be satisfied with the first half of your suggestion, personally...
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"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi
Funny, isn't it?
June 26, 2008 - 17:26 ET by CortillaenFunny, isn't it? Shortly after he successfully defeats Hillary, by attacking her from the left, he takes over her strategy of trying to portray himself as "moving to the center". How many idiots actually fall for this?
www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi
unfortunately
June 26, 2008 - 20:34 ET by bigpapa"How many idiots actually fall for this? "
Millions...every freaking day...
Obama's relentless
June 26, 2008 - 17:27 ET by bigtimerObama's relentless march...to the center.
Oh please....
ROFLMAO!
Good ol' msm talking points...repeat it often enough....
...they count on dummies...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Relent--less????
June 26, 2008 - 17:31 ET by misterbillBT Obama has a lot more lesses than just relent---Ha, Ha!
A few that come to mind--
June 26, 2008 - 17:35 ET by misterbillWitless, feckless, mindless, senseless, useless, worthless, etc>
...clueless... "Never
June 26, 2008 - 17:42 ET by bigtimer...clueless...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Spineless
June 26, 2008 - 20:34 ET by BEGRUNTspineless..............
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Obama's relentless
June 26, 2008 - 17:56 ET by motherbeltObama's relentless march...to the center.
That's the new euphemism that redefines "flip-flopping" as something desirable.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
a relentless march to the center
June 26, 2008 - 18:01 ET by allamericangirlSOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF SNIPER FIRE TO ME
Greenfield even went so far
June 26, 2008 - 18:10 ET by motherbeltGreenfield even went so far as to bizarrely claim that Obama’s
flip-flop on public financing was somehow evidence of his more moderate
positions: "And by abandoning public financing, which he
pledged to, he's saying ‘If I got more money than the other guy, I'm
going to use it. I want to win.’"
I don't know that he's claiming it's a moderate position, but it certainly is a good example of spinning as a virtue for a Democrat something that they would villify a Republican for doing!
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
Exactly mb... I caught
June 26, 2008 - 18:19 ET by bigtimerExactly mb...
I caught that too...
No hypocrisy whatsoever here...heck the left would be screamin' bloody murder 24/7 til the election if this was reversed.
No bias here...can't we just move on...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
but it certainly is a good example of spinning
June 26, 2008 - 18:25 ET by allamericangirlI'm sure there will be a large audience of people that will love and applaud this spin.
Probably the same ones that cheered and fainted when Obama blew his nose at his rally.
You are so right
June 26, 2008 - 18:39 ET by bigtimerYou are so right aag...
It was bad enough when he took of his jacket, or rolled up his sleeves, but that blowing his nose thing was beyond total belief what the lemmings will go for..
I want this sock-puppet for Prez because it turns me on when he blows his nose!
Past disgusting what it says about some critters here in this country.
Perfect example of lemmings...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
sock-puppets, lemmings
June 26, 2008 - 19:41 ET by allamericangirlPerfect analysis BT
The media keeps telling us how wonderful it is that Obama has brought all these new voters into play this year.
New voters who are in love with a deceptive illusion. No matter what crazy things he says or does they seem oblivious to it.
If they vote God help us all
"Liberalism is a mental disorder" -Michael Savage
They shouldn't count their
June 26, 2008 - 19:48 ET by motherbeltThey shouldn't count their chickens just yet.
These "new, young" Obama fans are all excited now, but they are not known for showing up at the polls in great numbers on voting day.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
They shouldn't count their chickens just yet.
June 26, 2008 - 19:57 ET by allamericangirlThat's right MB
Their level of commitment and attention span may let the Obama team down.
Maybe their chickens will not come home to roost.
"Liberalism is a mental disorder" -Michael Savage
aag... ..and vote they
June 26, 2008 - 19:50 ET by bigtimeraag...
..and vote they will...in march-step...bussed in, vote twice in different areas, absentee ballots... let alone the dead people, the pets, the illegals, their kids... ect.
Plus we can't forget the trial lawyers at the ready on the leftist side of the aisle breathlessly waiting at the ready if they lose or are challenged, all the while the msm working with them...
Plus we will have threatened riots ahead of time in major cities...
On and on it goes...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Welcome aboard Allamericangirl,
June 26, 2008 - 19:50 ET by RESTLESS 1Good to see you, I hope you enjoy the swim. The water is always fine.
And unfortunately, I think they will vote. There is a love affair going on with Obama, and I don't think it will end by the GE.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Welcom aboard
June 26, 2008 - 20:02 ET by allamericangirlThank you restless
I'm new at this so be gentle with me :)
Liberalism is a mental disorder" -Michael Savage
Hey aag...You've been
June 26, 2008 - 20:09 ET by bigtimerHey aag...
You've been doing great here...I have responded to you here since I've seen you here...you wouldn't know you were new if some of us weren't old posters...lol!
I can already tell you know by now it is addictive...heheheee
I love your user name too.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Sorry BT didn't see your post until now
June 27, 2008 - 10:34 ET by allamericangirlGot called away suddenly and never had a chance to get back until this morning.
Thank you for your kind words. You are so right about this being addictive
They should issue warning label when you sign up. :)
Liberalism is a mental disorder" -Michael Savage
aag... Obama is a modern
June 26, 2008 - 20:40 ET by Clear thinkeraag...
Obama is a modern day Pied Piper.
I only pray that people keep in mind what happened to all those children that followed the P.P. off into the sunset.
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Obama's relentless march (to
June 26, 2008 - 18:15 ET by SickofLibsObama's relentless march (to the center)???
One other relentless march springs to mind:
The Faber HS marching parade band in Animal House, where Bluto steals the baton and leads the mindless band into a dead end alley and they all crash and pile up.
I'm shocked and appalled
June 26, 2008 - 18:50 ET by Prester JohnEveryone knows it was Stork who took control of the band.
yes, it was Stork of course; Bluto was occupied elsewhere
June 26, 2008 - 19:20 ET by SickofLibsI stand corrected.
But this doesn't count as a flip-flop on my part, tho, does it?
SOL, no that's not a
June 27, 2008 - 10:26 ET by MassConservSOL, no that's not a flip-flop. You're a conservative so now we have to question your mental capacity and test you for senility.
[sarc off]
As opposed to?
June 26, 2008 - 18:26 ET by AndersonRelentless march to the center as opposed to relentless Lazy Boy chair tester?
If "center" means "ultra-left" then yes...
June 26, 2008 - 18:43 ET by FoolicanIs he marching to the center? If so, through what policies?
It's the illusion of
June 26, 2008 - 19:29 ET by Chris NormanIt's the illusion of "marching to the center". Not a very good one, either.
@#$% double posts.
June 26, 2008 - 19:31 ET by Chris Norman@#$% double posts.
LOL Chris...Don't you hate
June 26, 2008 - 19:35 ET by bigtimerLOL Chris...Don't you hate it when that happens!
Btw...they just showed a clip Fagan on the floor spewing his words on Beck tonight....
Are you listening j. Frank?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Now, bt. We should be
June 26, 2008 - 19:40 ET by Chris NormanNow, bt. We should be grateful that J. Frank condescends to appear here, every now and then, time permitting, to explain these things to us ignorant folk. Why, without him to explain it all, I'd have thought that Fagan was an obnoxious, mean little squirt.
Irrespective of what Obama says or does...
June 26, 2008 - 18:59 ET by ThalpyIrrespective of what Obama says or does, he must be seen as being outside the mainstream. How can Jeff Greenfield explain how Obama can be viewed in any other way when members of the Democrat party call for the nationalization of the oil companies? What political party has blocked building new transmission lines,building new power plants, and drilling for oil and gas? What, for example, is mainstream about implementing the Fairness Doctrine when it inhibits the expression of ideas since the Democrats already "own" the MSM. There is no centrality in Obama's views. Obama is a socialist. Hillary is a socialist. No amount of spin will change that.
Motherbelt, Chris, CT and BT and others have expressed that there is no moderation in Obama. What lame analysis is Greenfield providing? Of course, he's on Katie's show.
Has anyone else noticed
June 26, 2008 - 19:52 ET by motherbeltHas anyone else noticed that as Obama retools to be seen as more moderate, Michelle has receded somewhat?
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
Yep. They are keeping
June 26, 2008 - 19:55 ET by bigtimerYep.
They are keeping Aunt Ester in the closet for now...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Ouch
June 26, 2008 - 20:23 ET by Prester John"They are keeping Aunt Ester in the closet for now... "
Double ouch.
I wish he would....
June 26, 2008 - 20:28 ET by BEGRUNTtake a relentless walk off the pier...........
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
How about an 'endless'
June 26, 2008 - 20:37 ET by Clear thinkerHow about an 'endless' walk...?
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Yes Clear........
June 26, 2008 - 20:46 ET by BEGRUNTan "endless" walk into the sunset and beyond.............
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
BEGRUNT...
June 26, 2008 - 20:49 ET by Clear thinkerI'm in a pretty dramatic mood tonight so how about "an endless walk through the eternal fires of Hell"?
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Good one!!!
June 26, 2008 - 20:52 ET by BEGRUNTROTFLMAO!!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
LMAO Ct... I was going to
June 26, 2008 - 21:01 ET by bigtimerLMAO Ct...
I was going to say a long walk off a short pier...but yours is the BEST!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Now that Her Royal
June 26, 2008 - 20:42 ET by motherbeltNow that Her Royal Clintoness is out, they will simply keep repeating "centrist, centrist, centrist" for Obama.
Whatever position he takes on anything will be described as "moderate."
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
How long until a pundit
June 26, 2008 - 20:51 ET by Clear thinkerHow long until a pundit says that Obama is using triangulation?
If they do, I bet Clinton will sue.
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If Barry-O is marching to the center, he best get a move on.
June 26, 2008 - 20:58 ET by R D HelmAs he has a long, long way to go to get there.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Obama? Marching? Hardly!
June 26, 2008 - 21:41 ET by BeukeboomObama marching to the center? Hardly, Greenfield. Obama starts in extreme socialism and marches only as far right as to achieve radical liberalism. Then he marches back to the left again. Obama's continued flip-flops a la John Kerry (is Kerry tutoring him?) may be one thing that costs him many votes.
48 hours
June 27, 2008 - 00:18 ET by ScrapironJust remember that every statement made and every position taken by Hussein O has a shelf life of 48 hours or less. His word is good for less time than that of milk in a broken refrig.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
Scrap......to me less
June 27, 2008 - 00:27 ET by bigtimerScrap...
...to me less than an egg takes to flip for over easy.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
And so it begins....................
June 27, 2008 - 04:20 ET by old croThe MSM's "relentless march" of polls stating how big O's lead is. This meme will be repeated day and night, 24/7 till November 3rd drilling it into everyones head how inevitable his win will be so you may as well stay home if your voting for McCain.
Here's their record in the
June 27, 2008 - 04:29 ET by BlackwaterHere's their record in the senate, I included Hillary just for kicks.
Barack Obama
http://projects.wash...
Hillary Clinton
http://projects.wash...
John McCain
http://projects.wash...
Yea, Obama is pretty central if you ask me >_> Though I am dissapointed with Macs attendance record but not his voting record by much.
Oh and just so you know I'm a moderate who leans conservative
Obama is just trying to trick the hicks
June 27, 2008 - 09:21 ET by ChiefE9We know what he is, a lefty, just another tax and spend Democrat for Socialist/Marxist programs.
He is a combination of McGovern, Dukakis, Mondale and Jimmy Carter.
Lieing SOB!
June 27, 2008 - 09:29 ET by ChasvsThis Lieing SOB can be anything he wants because No One in the MSM is going to challenge his latest remarks!
He IS the MOST Liberal Democrat in the Government! He IS a MARXIST! There is NO CENTER for this half-wit BASTARD!
STOP this idiot NOW!
He won't win.. see REAL poll of REAL numbers.. not advantage OB
June 27, 2008 - 10:57 ET by GilGallup: All tied at 45
June 25, 2008
by Ed Morrissey
Gallup’s daily presidential tracking poll has had Barack Obama and John McCain in a statistical dead heat for the last two weeks. Now it has them in an actual dead heat. The difference appears to be rising support for McCain, although the changes are quite narrow:
The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update on the presidential election finds John McCain and Barack Obama exactly tied at 45% among registered voters nationwide.
Voter preferences had been fairly evenly divided for the past week, with Obama generally holding a slight advantage of two or three percentage points. This is the first time since Gallup’s May 31-June 4 rolling average that Obama does not have at least a slim advantage over McCain. Obama’s largest lead to date has been seven points.
==end quote==
Even better news: the sample is significantly larger than any used by the news media in recent polling (2600 respondents). It also uses registered voters, which normally would favor Democrats.
Yesterday, Stacy McCain (no relation) explained the polling vagaries:
Given the fact that huge numbers of eligible voters don’t vote, a pollster — if his poll results are to be useful or credible — must try to screen for “likely voters.” This is a doggone difficult thing to do, but it must be attempted, because voters and non-voters differ significantly in their preferences. Non-voters are more likely to support liberal policies and Democratic candidates (a source of endless frustration to liberal Democrats). So a poll that doesn’t properly screen for “likely voters” will always skew leftward (as was true of the Newsweek poll that surveyed “registered voters” rather than “likely voters”).
This is probably why early polls have historically overstated support for Democratic presidential candidates. The closer you get to Election Day, the easier it becomes to determine who the “likely voters” are. Thus, the samples in early polls contain lots of liberal-leaning eligible voters who, in the end, won’t actually bother to vote.
==end quote==
This is why sampling is so important in these polls, and why Newsweek, the LA Times, and CBS traditionally provide outliers rather than predictive results.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/25/gallup-all-tied-at-45/
RELEVANT QUOTE FROM THIS ARTICLE
June 27, 2008 - 11:08 ET by GilQUOTE:
Greenfield continued to tout Obama’s "bounce in the polls" by proclaiming: "It's an early summer blizzard, of polls that is, most of them gladdening Democratic hearts and furrowing Republican brows. Senator Barack Obama is up by 6 points in a USA Today/Gallup Poll, 12 in an LA Times/Bloomberg survey. Newsweek has the spread at 15 points nationally." However, it has been clearly demonstrated that the L.A. Times and Newsweek polls were outliers.
NOTE the above post of mine that they are in a dead heat.. no Obama advantage of 6, 12 or 15 points!!! That is from INACCURATE outliers!
Gil.
Time poll: Virtual dead heat
June 27, 2008 - 11:57 ET by GilAnd head over to this URL for
Time poll: Virtual dead heat
Those Newsweek and LA Times polls look more and more like outliers or worse. With both Gallup and Rasmussen showing either outright or virtual ties in their presidential tracking polls, Time offers even more evidence that Barack Obama has failed to pull away from John McCain after clinching the nomination. Even more troubling, McCain holds his own among a sample of registered voters as opposed to likely voters, a sample that should favor Obama..
It also includes this pleasing polling result:
So McCain “edged out” Obama — by twenty points? Voters trust McCain more than Obama on Iraq by ten points, which shows that the momentum of the Left on Iraq has ebbed significantly since the surge began showing results. It helps when McCain had it right and Obama’s defeatism has been proven wrong, and as the news continues to improve, that gap will widen further.
The more people see of Obama, the less they seem to like him.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/27/time-poll-virtual-dead-heat/