On Monday’s CBS "Evening News" anchor Katie Couric teased an upcoming segment remembering controversial comedian George Carlin: "...he was a comedy legend who made us laugh and think." During the segment, correspondent Jim Axelrod followed the same theme: "George Carlin made lots of us laugh...But his genius was making us think." Immediately following that observation a clip was played of Carlin declaring: "This country was founded by a group of slave owners who told us that all men are created equal. That is what's known as being stunningly, stunningly full of [expletive]."
Later in the segment, Axelrod again praised Carlin: " But what Carlin loved best was using irreverence to force us to re-exam what we'd long stopped thinking about." That statement was followed by Carlin ranting: "Here's another question I have: How come when it's us it's an abortion and when it's a chicken it's an omelet? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden?" One wonders, when Couric and Axelrod say Carlin "made us think," who exactly is "us"?
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
6:30PM TEASER
KATIE COURIC: And he was a comedy legend who made us laugh and think.
GEORGE CARLIN: Some words that you can go to jail for. I mean the filthy words that are always filthy.
6:42PM
COURIC: And there's much more CBS News ahead, including a look back at George Carlin's career, a comic legend who perfected the art of pushing the envelope.
6:52PM
COURIC: Up next, remembering the legendary George Carlin.
6:55PM SEGMENT:
KATIE COURIC: George Carlin will forever be known for the seven words you can't say on television, but he also recorded 23 albums, 14 HBO specials and appeared on the 'Tonight Show' 130 times. He died yesterday at 71 and he never stopped pushing the boundaries of comedy. Here's Jim Axelrod.
GEORGE CARLIN: That's the first thing you do in a hotel room is put away your stuff. Put stuff in here, put some stuff down there.
JIM AXELROD: George Carlin made lots of us laugh.
CARLIN: You put your stuff over there, I'm putting my stuff over here. Here's another place to put some stuff. Hey, we got more places than we've got stuff! We're gonna have to buy more stuff!
AXELROD: But his genius was making us think.
CARLIN: This country was founded by a group of slave owners who told us that all men are created equal. That is what's known as being stunningly, stunningly full of [expletive].
AXELROD: He wasn't subtle. A ninth grade drop-out fascinated by language, he was a master provocateur, testing where the lines are by crossing them.
CARLIN: There are some words that you can go to jail for.
AXELROD: He wasn't kidding. His routine about seven words you just can't say on television
CARLIN: All I could think of was [expletive], [expletive], [expletive]...
AXELROD: Almost quaint by today's standards. It got him arrested. A radio station was fined for broadcasting the routine. The case went to the Supreme Court. The government's right to police the airwaves was upheld.
CARLIN: And I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions. I don't just roll over when I'm told to.
UNIDENTIFIED PEOPLE: George Carlin is on the air-
AXELROD: Carlin started out as a D.J. and doing traditional standup.
CARLIN: In 1492, Columbus did one of the most daring things yet known to man -- he borrowed money from a woman.
AXELROD: But he had a gift for evolving, always staying timely. Remember Al Sleep, the Hippy Dipy Weatherman in the late '60s?
CARLIN: Weather's dominated by a large Canadian low which is not to be confused with a Mexican high.
AXELROD: He unleashed on trends.
CARLIN: Suddenly everyone is walking around with their own personal bottle of water. When did we get so thirsty in America?
AXELROD: And yuppie parents obsessed with their precious kids.
CARLIN: First of all, they're not all cute, okay? In fact, if you look at them close, some of them are rather unpleasant looking.
AXELROD: But what Carlin loved best was using irreverence to force us to re-exam what we'd long stopped thinking about.
CARLIN: Here's another question I have: How come when it's us it's an abortion and when it's a chicken it's an omelet? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden?
AXELROD: He died of heart failure at the age of 71. But for a man who did a lot of complaining-
CARLIN: Everybody wants me to have a nice day. 'Have a nice day!' Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to give me my [expletive] change, please?
AXELROD: To hear George Carlin tell it in his own inimitable way, he had no real complaints.
CARLIN: I've had the best treatment on this planet. I've been very lucky and if suddenly a big ax fell through the ceiling and split my head in two, I would say, 'not bad, I had a lot of things.'
AXELROD: Jim Axelrod, CBS News, Washington.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.





















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Ok i HAVE to say this
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:15 ET by red_dragon311Ok i HAVE to say this about George Carlin
I HATE that he reduced himsefl to the "pissed off about everything " guy
in his old age he just became a grumpy old man, yea he made me laugh but he stuff was not what made him funny. and now all you hear is this garbage, " he didn't pull any punches"
case in point
In the 70's he did a bit about airplanes and airlines then he did the SAME bit in the 90's but being the grumpy old get pissed at everything guy the joked changed and it was not funny anymore.
Sterardess : you can now get on the plane
70's Carlin, calm and cool, " no no phuck you I'm getting IN the plane"
90's grump ass pissed off Carlin " NO PHUCK YOU, i'm getting in the plane"
listen to "Class Clown" and "Killer Carlin" then watch his latest HBO special, one right after another and you will see what I mean.
They call it "evolving" I call it " they only know as much about Geroge Carlin as the telepromter tells them.
GOD I HATE THEM
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Gerald Ford
Red,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:44 ET by tracheostomyExactly. Right on.
Then his fans turn around and blame the audience member like you that takes notice of this and state, "you just have no sense of humor."
He evolved from comedian to a preacher.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
That's what makes what
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:49 ET by balboaThat's what makes what Seinfeld did so impressive. He literally threw out all his old material and started over. That was gutsy. The documentary about it was very interesting.
Bookmarked. For the next
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:57 ET by tracheostomyBookmarked.
For the next time we have a go-around about what's funny and what's not.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Well I still think
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:01 ET by balboaWell I still think Seinfeld's old stuff is funny, too.
And every one of your posts
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:48 ET by Mr. KafirAnd every one of your posts is comedy gold. To wit:
"Israel and Palestine should have their countries taken away from them, put in timeout, until they can prove they can get along." - balboa, ignorant bastard, 3/17/08
Hi, Mr. Kafir! Gosh it's
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:14 ET by balboaHi, Mr. Kafir! Gosh it's swell to hear from you today!
balboa
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 20:06 ET bybalboa
smile bal - ya got a
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 11:51 ET by TruthMongersmile bal - ya got a stalker - CELEBRITY STATUS!!!
I'm fine with banning chicken abortions - THANKS GEORGE! good idea...
save the baby humans
3000 in the trash again today - as usual...
that is funny isnt it george - ha ha
How come when it's us it's
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:12 ET by motherbeltHow come when it's us it's an abortion and when it's a chicken
it's an omelet? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden?"
UH.....yeah, we are. And always were...not "all of a sudden."
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
I guess George never
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:37 ET by sinaI guess George never realized the difference between fertilized and unfertilized eggs.
Sina,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:40 ET by tracheostomySina: I guess George never realized the difference between fertilized and unfertilized eggs.
To one that was raised under his teachers, it's still an abortion.
He has a valid complaint and no one answered him.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
What's his "valid
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:48 ET by motherbeltWhat's his "valid complaint"? that we're no better than chickens?
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
See here and here. Note
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:56 ET by tracheostomySee here and here.
Note also the link BT put up about Carlin. He tries to answer the "why" of it all at 1:55-1:43.
No, he was not "telling it like it is," he was trying to figure out all the absurdity of it all and all of his conclusions came to "the big electron" WHOOAA!!! <--translation: He thinks we're all flesh machines without a purpose.
Therefore, BT is endorsing a truth against herself.
What say you, Motherbelt?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach... Quit trying to
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:59 ET by bigtimertrach...
Quit trying to get some us posters to go against each other...
You are so obvious.
Try to laugh now and then...life is short after-all.
I have seen you insert my name constantly on other threads today...I must of got under the devils skin after-all.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BT: Quit trying to get
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:09 ET by tracheostomyBT: Quit trying to get some us posters to go against each other... You are so obvious.
Argument to motive. Your actions are being made an example of. You endorse Carlin in public for the sake of your peers, so you cherry-pick him.
How hypocritical is that?
You value your peer-approval more than the truth Carlin was trying to find.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I'm confused, trach. What
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:12 ET by balboaI'm confused, trach. What are you trying to say about Carlin?
Bal,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:24 ET by tracheostomyCarlin would usually lead with, "Why is it when. . ." or "How come. . ." questions to real-life situations.
Then he'd point out the absurdity or hypocricy of those situations within the system he was criticizing. His finger of accusation was always to "the people," "the institution," or "the public."
Then he'd conclude with, "You know what I think?" Almost out of sheer desperation, because he knew he included himself with the rest of humanity.
He was looking for the "why" in the link that BT put up.
If you walked out of the hall after seeing Carlin live actually thinking about what he thought about, you would become as frustrated as he got. The stage became his platform to vent.
But if you walked out of there like, "That was a fun show, wanna grab a burger?" then you've turned into Carlin's next target.
Thank you BT. :)
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
You are welcome
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:28 ET by bigtimerYou are welcome trach.
What a sad, frustrating, confused, lonely life you must live...
Oh well..the Devils in the details.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Are you arguing for ignorance?
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:04 ET by tracheostomyBT: Oh well..the Devils in the details.
EXACTLY!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
objection your honor move
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 11:53 ET by TruthMongerobjection your honor
move to strike
motion to appeal
recess, time for lunch
And...? So you were just
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:35 ET by balboaAnd...? So you were just deconstructing his comedy?
Hey big boy...you neglected
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:12 ET by bigtimerHey big boy...you neglected to dissect the part where I stated I must of got under the devils skin...
Isn't that convenient.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
I guess I mistook what you
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:01 ET by motherbeltI guess I mistook what you were referring to with your "valid complaint" thing, because I have no idea what you are talking about.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
AXELROD: But what Carlin
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:10 ET by tracheostomyAXELROD: But what Carlin loved best was using irreverence to force us to re-exam what we'd long stopped thinking about.
He asked more than he concluded, and his conclusions were always kind of vague, as if he wasn't sure it was true either.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Forget it...you win; I give
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:26 ET by motherbeltForget it...you win; I give up.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
MB,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:47 ET by tracheostomyIt's not about winning. Carlin was crying out like a child. He was a lost child and no one answered his questions. Thus, he grew angry, bitter, and desperate.
Trach: OK, now I see
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:52 ET by motherbeltTrach:
OK, now I see where you were going.
Then why the hell didn't you say that in the beginning, explaining that that was his form of comedy instead of getting cryptic?
Is a plain answer too much to ask?
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
Thank you Motherbelt!
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:58 ET by tracheostomyHow could I have phrased it without being cryptic? Tell me what I should have said, please.
I'm willing to concede to any example of how I should have said it to get the info out more efficiently. My goal is to be as clear as possible here.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Where did I mess up?
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:08 ET by tracheostomyI lead with "complaint". . .which MB didn't get.
Then I said "crying" . . .and then MB got it.
Maybe I should have said, I dunno. . ."bitching"?
No. That doesn't work either. I think complaining is more precise. There was a genuine need there that wasn't being met. It wasn't mere pointless bitching. There was a reason for his bitterness.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Trach:
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:50 ET by motherbeltTrach:
You didn't lead with "complaint" and then go with "crying."
Right after my comment about us being better than chickens, Sina commented about the fertilized and unfertilized eggs, to which YOU replied:
To one that was raised under his teachers, it's still an abortion.
He has a valid complaint and no one answered him.
So *I* asked if you were saying he has a valid complaint that we are really no better than chickens. And instead of answereing me, you went off on posting links and apparently answering other posters, and brought bigtimer into it to boot, IN YOUR REPLY to me.
You didn't get to the "bitterness" thing until many comments later; in fact AFTER I said I gave up trying to figure out if you were answering my question.
So here's my advice: When someone asks you a direct question, it's usually best to answer it directly.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
MB: You didn't lead with
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:53 ET by tracheostomyMB: You didn't lead with "complaint" and then go with "crying."
Not immediately, but your question was to "complaint" which lead the discussion.
I'm saying that what I tried at 18:56 and everything else didn't work until "crying."
I lead with "complaint" and you didn't get me until I went with "crying."
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
"Tell me what I should have said, please."
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:50 ET by Indiana Joe"Carlin was crying out like a child. He was a lost child and no one answered his questions. Thus, he grew angry, bitter, and desperate."
I'm late to the party, and just passing through, but the above seems to have done it. Maybe you could have expressed that at first, and been less "cryptic?"
IJ,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:57 ET by tracheostomyNo. It's far too dramatic and prone to the reader interpreting an error from it.
I prefer "complaining" because "crying" implies he was just out of control. He wasn't. His crying had a purpose to it.
Thus, more of a confused; frustrated complaint.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Whatever...
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:16 ET by Indiana JoeAll I know is the post with your "valid complaint" was over 2 hours before mb's "now I get it" post. Maybe your final response needed a little tweaking, but it surely could have come sooner.
<edit: As far as drama and misinterpretation, it seems you didn't avoid those anyway.>
Agreed. I apologize for
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:21 ET by tracheostomyAgreed. I apologize for feeling the need to shake off the trolls first.
MB's question mattered more.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
LOL IJ...Surely you
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:57 ET by bigtimerLOL IJ...Surely you jest...it's trach after-all.
Dissect..dissect...dissect.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Eggs and such
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 09:37 ET by easygoerIt's actually the opposite of what Carlin said. There's a federal law against the poaching of turtle eggs, so the gov't has more respect for the potential life of certain animals than it does for for humans.
As for Carlin himself, I hated his politics. But who cares, the guy was at his best when he was dissecting the English language. There was never anybody better or funnier at pointing out its absurdities and idiosyncracies.
I remember my father allowing me to watch Carlin's first HBO special with him. Oh, how we laughed; and then afterwards my dad telling me not to let my mother know or we'd both be dead. I also saw him at the Manhattan Center in 1978. I was seventeen. It was the first and still the best comedy act I've ever seen.
As a standup comedian, he had few, if any peers. Certainly not Seinfeld. Happy landing George.
No such thing
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:19 ET by GrannyGrump42There is no such thing as a "fertilized egg" in a mammal. Once the sperm hits the egg, you have a zygote, a new organism in that species. A fertilized egg is an egg that CONTAINS an embryo; in a mammal, the egg BECOMES the embryo.
I could be wrong here, but. . .
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:11 ET by tracheostomyIIRC, Carlin's Catholic upbringing explicitly taught him otherwise.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I think not
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:55 ET by Indiana JoeCarlin was 20 years older than me, which means he was in grade school in the 40s. I was in Catholic school in the 60s, and I can assure you, nothing was mentioned about eggs, fertilized or not, mammalian or otherwise. It really wasn't a big issue in a Catholic "upbringing" back then.
IJ - Trach likes to blame everything on the Catholic Church
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:59 ET by Dee BunkThere has never been a single Southern Baptist to convert to a different religion. That is the only perfect religion that no one ever leaves. - I guess that is what Trach thinks anyway. He never really talks about his, so I just have to make assumptions.
Exactly Dee... He won't
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:05 ET by bigtimerExactly Dee...
He won't just plain say in every day English what his religious believes/leanings are...he just cuts and dissects everyone else...
Like I have said...the devil is in the details...I do not care how many time the devil puts his link here when I say this either.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BT
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:32 ET by Free StinkerThe funny thing is - unless I'm seeing things - you are on trake's buddy list, BT.
Thing's happen FS..you well
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:42 ET by bigtimerThing's happen FS..you well know how that goes...eh?
I do not worry about who is or isn't on the buddy list.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
I just find it
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:44 ET by Free StinkerI just find it ironic.
FS... I find it curious
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:06 ET by bigtimerFS...
I find it curious you would even care...one way or the other.
Oh I forgot..you like to erase people like me off yours...as if I would of even noticed unless shawn made sure and let us all know.
What to do...what to do...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Shawn did what??
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:11 ET by shawn228"as if I would of even noticed unless shawn made sure and let us all know."
I'm not sure what I'm getting accussed of but, I sure hope you back up whatever it is?
She might, but probably
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:19 ET by Free StinkerShe might, but probably not.
99% of BT's comments can be done by a computer with rudimentary AI. The comments the AI makes in place of hers might not be insightful or funny, but who would be able to tell the difference?
I'm still waiting bt
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:38 ET by shawn228I'm just minding my own business here and whamo. I will withhold judgment until I know out what my crime is.
edit,
Please tell me what i'm getting accussed of.
shawn
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:47 ET by Free StinkerIf she doesn't answer, you can run this perl script for the reply.
given ($username) {
when (Blonde) { print "Meow!"; } # Catfight
when (shawn) { print "Hiss!"; }
when (balboa) { print "that was insulting!"; }
when (free stinker) { print "this is all because of two years ago!"; }
default { print "ROFL!"; }
}
FS your forgetting
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:54 ET by shawn228"I'm not going to dignify that with a response shawn"
"Not going down that road shawn"
"ROFL"
"I have answered your questions shawn"
and of course
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
The thing is I have not had a beef with bt for while, I don't understand the unprovoked attack.
shawn
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:54 ET by Free StinkerI didn't say it was a comprehensive script! ;-)
I think you have the rest of them covered there.
shawn
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:00 ET byi have no idea whats going on here but it seems that BT believes that FS removed her from his buddy list and you called attention to it.
Support our Troops
BT obsesses about stuff
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:02 ET by Free StinkerBT obsesses about stuff like that.
No Free -she's was talking about how Shawn
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:07 ET by Dee Bunktried to draw her in to your disagreement with him. Don't you remember when Shawn was trying to get everyone to condem you and he brought up some old argument you had with BT (that you had both let go). He also tried to get me to condemn you and others. I don't know why you would stick up for him.
I thought you and BT made up. Are you mad again because of our argument with Trach? Does that mean you are mad at me too?
Dee
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:14 ET by Free StinkerDoes that mean you are mad at me too?
Why would I be mad at a nice person like you? :-)
I remember shawn bringing other people up in *your* discussion with him. Was that what BT meant? BT still brings up stuff from some 2 years ago, so it's hard to keep it all straight.
I'll take your word on it Dee. :-)
these are serious and
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 11:58 ET by TruthMongerthese are serious and gripping issues
false accusations
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:05 ET by shawn228This is absoloutly not true, because when fs did this, I was not even a member of Newsbusters yet. When I was having a disagreement with fs at one time, I might asked bt in private if she minded me bringing it up, but that is all I did and I have PROOF.
She is one that brought it up and not me. As far as I am concerned bt owes me an apology for falsely accusing me, but i'm not holding my breath.
No Shawn - I believe she was referring to the situation
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:09 ET by Dee BunkI mentioned above. She doesn't owe you an apology
My God Dee,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:25 ET by shawn228I was just minding my own business tonight and overall I have been getting along okay with bt and as far I'm concerned, I have had problems with you eithe for a while.
Lets look at the false accusation K?
"you are the one that informed me FS cut me from his buddy list..as if I care"
Ladys and gentlemen of the jury, I was not even part of NB when this happenned. How could I have told bt about it?
lets take a few excerpts or her dialogue with fs shall we?
"edit---this is important to me Free...It was months later before I even
noticed you removed me from you BUDDY list..it is not like I care if I
am liked or not by a list, I know if I am liked or not by comments
posted after my comments on post Free...so don't go giving yourself so
much credit about yourself....you are no better than anybody else here
from the beginning here, although you really think you are, it is sad
what you did with me and MrShy...I really still can't believe you are
that small...I should of though."
So, no Dee, it is not about the situation, bt directed accussed me of informing her that fs removed her from the buddy list, so yeah, i'm kind of ticked.
secrecy
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:10 ET by Free StinkerIt's not like it was a secret that I, Free Stinker, removed Bigtimer from my Buddies List. Can't figure out why she cares, unless she's insane or something like that.
none of my concern
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:10 ET byor business, your link may be after the fact stuff, and it's just not worth hunting down---at least for me
Support our Troops
Thanks Bruce - the voice of reason!
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:17 ET by Dee BunkIt's not worth reading old arguments EVER.
Guys?
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:30 ET by tracheostomyCan we take this off the names/personalities and onto a topic (any topic)?
An internet forum is not a social club.
Has anyone here ever actually met face-to-face?
-PJ
well trach
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:33 ET by shawn228I guess you just take it in stride when someone accusses you of something right? :-)
Our thread has been hijacked and is headed for Libya!
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:37 ET by tracheostomyShawn! What's this have to do with anything?
This is nothing but a stupid personal grudge.
Keep it on some kind of topic, any topic outside the ad hominem arguments and accusations.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
So Trach,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:35 ET by RESTLESS 1Any thoughts on the price of rice in china?
(Hey, you said any topic).
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
R1.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:43 ET by tracheostomyR1: Any thoughts on the price of rice in china?
Sure, I'll listen to your assertions on that.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Trach,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:55 ET by RESTLESS 1I blame the alternative fuel agenda. And of course, liberals. ;>)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
R1: I blame the
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 00:06 ET by tracheostomyR1: I blame the alternative fuel agenda.
I thought it had to do with govt. health inspections.
R1: And of course, liberals. ;>)
I don't know enought about that, but I'm willing to learn. What are the connections?
*lightbulb*
Maybe I should participate in more threads that I don't know about! If I stick with only the topics I enjoy talking about, everyone will think I'm some kind of know-it-all!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Well you could start by answering my questions Trach
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:36 ET by Dee BunkIt's also not a religious club. It's a political club to discuss media bias but since the topic of the day was about Religion and politics I wanted to find out where you stood on it and you wouldn't answer my questions. I posted three times (replying to my self trying to get your attention).
Dee, which one of your
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:42 ET by tracheostomyDee, which one of your questions did I fail to answer?
Dee: It's also not a religious club. It's a political club to discuss media bias. . .
It's not a club at all!
Dee: . . .but since the topic of the day was about Religion and politics I wanted to find out where you stood on it and you wouldn't answer my questions. I'm right here.
Fire away. I don't see which question I missed.
Dee: I posted three times (replying to my self trying to get your attention).
Okay, I'll take your word for it. I'm listening right now. Ask me!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
On the open thread trach - I re-asked and then replied to myself
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:51 ET by Dee Bunkthree times because you never answered.
Don't tease me.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:53 ET by tracheostomyDon't tease me.
trach - I'm not - it's on the open thread!
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:56 ET by Dee Bunkthere isn't room here anyway
Then post there or hotlink
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 00:02 ET by tracheostomyThen post there or hotlink the quote.
Dee!
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 00:09 ET by tracheostomyDee!
I'm done trach - forget about it - it's not important
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 00:11 ET by Dee Bunkgoodbye
I called your bluff.
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 00:14 ET by tracheostomyI called your bluff.
I called yours Trach
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 16:58 ET by Dee Bunkand created a thread for it.
→ Trake
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 00:27 ET by Cool ArrowWow I missed a barn burner tonight.
BTW, George Carlin died. And I think he probably did so completely unfulfilled.
Don't much care whether he was a genius. He sunk from my radar screen long ago with Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy.
There's an episode of SpongeBob SquarePants that summed it up perfectly, now that think of it.
SpongeBob rips his pants and everybody laughs. So SpongeBob becomes a one trick comedy act creatively introducing "I ripped my pants" into every situation.
Pretty soon everybody's tired of SpongeBob.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
CA,
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 00:47 ET by tracheostomyCA: Wow I missed a barn burner tonight.
Two words for you man, IN-SANE. I have never seen something like this go down with so many involved.
CA: BTW, George Carlin died. And I think he probably did so completely unfulfilled.
That's what I was trying to get across. It took forever for even a few to get it.
I also made a mistake talking about him in the present tense. He's dead, but his message is alive and well.
CV: SpongeBob rips his pants and everybody laughs. So SpongeBob becomes a one trick comedy act creatively introducing "I ripped my pants" into every situation. Pretty soon everybody's tired of SpongeBob.
Heh. . .that's a good one. I've never seen an ep. of SpongeBob, just little clips here and there.
Was Carlin the first to turn the stage into his own private soapbox? I read Maher pointed to him as his inspiration.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
→ Lenny Bruce
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 00:55 ET by Cool Arrowthink Lenny Bruce predated him by a few years. Heroin or Morphine overdose did him in, I think.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
pj
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 02:00 ET by Conservative Voiceconfused why you have me next to sponge bob
CV,
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 02:52 ET by tracheostomySorry, major typo.
I meant to quote "CA" like all the rest in the same post.
You were not talking about Spongebob, just CA and I.
Apologies.
-PJ
well
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:45 ET bygoodnight everybody
and try the prime rib
I owe you absolutely zilch
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:18 ET by bigtimerI owe you absolutely zilch shawn.
You are the PC guru who saves and looks up every little link ... here or not.
You are nothing but a trouble maker.
always have been...but you sure know when to kiss a$$/
Stick it...save it for those who are fools...which you count on...there is one born every day.
Come on BT! Let go of the
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:24 ET by Free StinkerCome on BT!
Let go of the hate!
"Never murder your opponent
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:26 ET by bigtimer"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
bigtimer
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:27 ET by shawn228I don't see how you can spin yourself out of this one. You falsely accussed me of tellig you fs took you off his buddy list, I proved your wrong. Yes I had to use a link to prove it, but prove it I did.
Your just pouting because you got caught.
You are a liar shawn. You
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:35 ET by bigtimerYou are a liar shawn.
You PM'd me about FS taking me off his list and you know it...I never lood at my list for months at a time you fool.
I come here to learn, vent my political opinions for the day.
You are and always have been a troll from day one, you play games with people..to damned bad no one listened to me.
You are one slithering slimy creature.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
I believe you BT because it sounds like something Shawn
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:37 ET by Dee Bunkwould do and he also denies everything. I've never seen you lie about anything.
Bigtroller
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:39 ET by Free StinkerCalling anyone a "LIAR" is slander unless you can prove it.
If you can prove it, I'll admit so.
Wow bt
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:39 ET by shawn228I am not a liar, I still have the pm you sent me, but I will not stoop to that level.
Seriously, think about it real hard bt, how could I tell you fs took you off his buddy list when I was not even a member then hmmm?
Also I think your are mixing up the time, I told you fs had you and another members catfight on his homepage, seriously think about it, you will know i'm right.
So then why did you go through that Shawn
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:54 ET by Dee Bunkthe sentiment was the same. At least you had the balls to admit it. So what if she confused the two incidents, they are the same type of thing. You have got to stop your meddling.
Nobody attacked you
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:02 ET by bigtimerNobody attacked you shawn...and you know it...you are the one that informed me FS cut me from his buddy list..as if I care.
Interesting you are both working together now though...
Rather rich indeed..
Both of you can go play together in your sandbox...just remember...
NO throwing dirt towards one another!
Must be a full moon...I have no idea why I am wasting my time here with this...guess I want others to uderstand what has been going on for so long now...well, at least part of it.
I am done.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
obsession
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:06 ET by Free StinkerI want others to understand what has been going on for so long now
LOL! Hey, BT. I admit it! I removed you from my Buddy list!
Why do you even care?
"Never murder your opponent
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:10 ET by bigtimer"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Dee,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:13 ET by tracheostomyI'm saying it is possible for Catholics to be exegetical monergists.
As a matter of fact, I've met some that claim the RCC is their "mission field" which is why they stay.
Those are true Christians.
Same with the Reformed Southern Baptist movement. All monergists, despite the label.
I'm not anti-Catholic and you cannot pin that old one on me.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Dee... FYI... I have very
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:26 ET by Clear thinkerDee...
FYI... I have very good friends that did just that. The son went to Liberty University, the Mother was very involved in the Southern Baptist policy making branch. NOTE: I'm being a little vague on purpose because my friends don't need, nor deserve any grief.
Anyway, the son then did 2 years at Montreat College after which he took a couple of years to find himself. One of the things he did in his time of self exploration was to study the Catholic Church and it's teachings. To make a long story short, both have converted to Catholicism and are happy with their choice. I won't argue the points, but if you ever sat them down and talked to them they could lay out the reasons quite honestly and concise.
Has it changed them in any way? I don't think so, because they are still the good Christians they always were.
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Montreat College
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:30 ET by Free StinkerMontreat College
Hey! My sister went there!
Free... Good
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:32 ET by Clear thinkerFree...
Good school, smart sister!
What is she doing now?
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Clear
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:42 ET by Free StinkerTeacher.
Montessori school.
Free... Good for her.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:51 ET by Clear thinkerFree...
Good for her. This country needs more teachers with her type background!
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Indeed.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:53 ET by Free StinkerIndeed.
Thanks Clear!
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:43 ET by Dee BunkI was hoping someone could come up with an example. Lets face it we all know that every religion has had people who have left it and that's why I hate when Trach brings up these strawman arguments.
I hope no one interprets my arguing with him to mean that I think the Catholic Church is superior to the SBC.
I agree with you that they could be good Christians either way.
Dee...
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:50 ET by Clear thinkerI can muddy the waters for trach even further.
As a youngster I started out in the Catholic Church. Around 10 years old my folks switched to Episcopalian. For the past 20 years I have attended the Baptist Church. Not once have I ever felt the way that trach does.
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CT,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:35 ET by tracheostomyCT: As a youngster I started out in the Catholic Church. Around 10 years old my folks switched to Episcopalian. For the past 20 years I have attended the Baptist Church. Not once have I ever felt the way that trach does.
That's because you're probably Baptist the way I used to be. It doesn't matter at all what denomination you were a part of, or are currently in now.
There's only two denominations that call themselves Christian. Monergist and Synergist.
How does this muddy the waters? What's your argument here?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I hope no one interprets my
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:50 ET by bigtimerI hope no one interprets my arguing with him to mean that I think the Catholic Church is superior to the SBC.
I don't...and you haven't.
Pom-Poms waving in the back-ground Dee...
Just wanted to insert that before someone else did...lol...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Clive Staples
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:51 ET by Free StinkerI'm going to go with what C.S. Lewis said about denominations:
(And I'm paraphrasing as I don't have the quote in front of me)
Christianity is the house. The denominations are the rooms. We don't live in the entrance hallway, we live in the rooms. I you think someone is in the wrong room, YOU ARE UNDER ORDERS TO PRAY FOR THEM.
Free...
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:59 ET by Clear thinkerSomehow I get the impression that trach took the last sentence to mean YOU ARE UNDER ORDERS TO CRUCIFY THEM.
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cranky and querulous
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:02 ET by Free StinkerNow, normally, I'm cranky and querulous, but if I'd like to think I've gotten along fine with you, Dee, and Trach.
I never understand how people I can get along with don't get along with each other. I mean, if you can survive *me*, everyone else should be easy, right? ;-)
Cranky Free...
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:12 ET by Clear thinkerThat's because conservatives are thinkers, not followers. If we were liberals we would just lockstep with each other through every issue.
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CT,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:40 ET by tracheostomyCT: Somehow I get the impression that trach took the last sentence to mean YOU ARE UNDER ORDERS TO CRUCIFY THEM.
No. That would assume the individual in question were in CS Lewis' house to begin with.
And how can I crucify anyone here? You're being more than melodramatic.
How do you know for sure you're a Christian? Someone else told you? Where are the roots of the absolute truth you claim?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
The denomination is the distraction here. . .
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:18 ET by tracheostomyDee: I was hoping someone could come up with an example. Lets face it we all know that every religion has had people who have left it and that's why I hate when Trach brings up these strawman arguments.
Either you're lying or you need a vocabulary lesson. <--- Fair choice.
Denominations are not religions.
Denominations are sects within one religion.
You're trying to force a larger nesting doll into a smaller one. It doesn't work that way and you know it!
I am very-very basic and extremely accommodating as to who's a Christian and who isn't. As a matter of fact, I limit it completely to soteriology. I don't argue anything else.
It comes down to one profession of faith, and either you agree with me or don't:
1. Who saves? Christ alone, yourself, or a combination of the two?
2. Who goes to hell?
3. Is God a trinity? <-- Not modalism or tritheism with a different label either.
4. Is the Bible your final and absolute authority for divine revelation? <--- Which you may "interpret" any way you like, as long as it is an exegetical interpretation and not eisegetical.
That's it in a nutshell. What's so "hateful" and exclusivist about this? I ask you?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
IJ,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:09 ET by tracheostomyIJ: Carlin was 20 years older than me, which means he was in grade school in the 40s. I was in Catholic school in the 60s, and I can assure you, nothing was mentioned about eggs, fertilized or not, mammalian or otherwise. It really wasn't a big issue in a Catholic "upbringing" back then.
Is it also abortion if the egg and sperm are discarded prior to the zygote?
Not anti-Catholic Dee. Anti-Eisegesis. I'm giving Indiana a chance to agree with me.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
"I'm giving Indiana a chance to agree with me."
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:26 ET by Indiana JoeGee, thanks... I think.
Anyway, the Church teaches that birth control is a sin. Yes, you are correct in that, it's pretty common knowledge. But I don't believe it is considered on a par with abortion. I don't know that for sure. But abortion is seen as murdering a child, whereas prophylaxis is seen as thwarting (or attempting to thwart) God's will. Degrees of sin? I don't know, but I'm not sticking around to debate it until the wee hours. I have to get up in the morning!
As I said, it was not really gone into in much detail during my "Catholic upbringing" in the 60s. I'd be surprised if a lot of time was spent on it in the 40s.
Besides, this started as a response to someone making the distinction between eggs and zygotes.
Did you hear about George Carlin? He died.
IJ,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:35 ET by tracheostomyIJ: Anyway, the Church teaches that birth control is a sin. Yes, you are correct in that, it's pretty common knowledge.
Thank you.
IJ: But I don't believe it is considered on a par with abortion.
Carlin equated the two. Not me.
IJ: I don't know that for sure. But abortion is seen as murdering a child, whereas prophylaxis is seen as thwarting (or attempting to thwart) God's will.
Because it's not "pro-life."
IJ: Did you hear about George Carlin? He died.
Yeah. And I complained about his dying before getting his questions answered.
Thanks for answering mine. I appreciate your honesty.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Your Eisegesis argument can't apply to Catholics
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:38 ET by Dee BunkBecause they faith traditions (Mass, structure, rituals) were not written down. They were passed on orally. These faith traditions that are unique to the Catholic Church have nothing to do with their interpretation of scripture which is basically the same as most other Christian churches. I can't say yours because you never say what yours is. But Catholics believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that the only way to the Lord is through him.
So you can't apply Eisegesis to Oral tradition when you weren't there and don't know what was said. How could you possibly do that?
Did you ever answer me in the other thread?
trach's an
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 12:06 ET by TruthMongertrach's an incredibly bright dude - but he has communication troubles - verbosity...
also a bit too much regard for his own understandings - narcissism...
problems of youth - I'm struggling with the same things...
exegesilstilcally of course
trach, et al.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:36 ET by lotrThis blog is about dingbat Couric spinning the late "great" comedian Carlin as pro-abortion. Are you pro-abortion, trach? If you aren't (which is my hope), then there ought not to be any longwinded arguments with other conservative NBers here.
No-no Lotr. . .
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:51 ET by tracheostomyLOTR: This blog is about dingbat Couric spinning the late "great" comedian Carlin as pro-abortion. Are you pro-abortion, trach? If you aren't (which is my hope), then there ought not to be any longwinded arguments with other conservative NBers here.
There's a hidden catch and it has to do with the way Carlin was raised. Therin lies Carlin's own confusion on the matter that is totally 100% on topic.
His pro-abortion stance is/was fundamentally mixed up because of an inability for pro-lifers to answer his questions.
Therefore, I'd like to discuss a better way to argue the point. Mr. Carlin was a smart guy. I'd hate for another to die without being able to present a rational argument.
And that argument lies within the place everyone else is afraid to look. . .other than maybe a dozen or so members.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
"His pro-abortion stance
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 00:26 ET by lotr"His pro-abortion stance is/was fundamentally mixed up because of an inability for pro-lifers to answer his questions."
I'll grant you that there is a problem out there with the pro-life message being muted/muffled/gagged/rejected. But, speaking for myself anyway, I find Couric's subtle "he made you think" example to be highly problematic. Not sure what you are getting at regarding "the place everyone else is afraid to look," but I still see the MSM as the prime culprit.
granny
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:10 ET by lotr"There is no such thing as a "fertilized egg" in a mammal."
Correct. Granny knows her biology. "Fertilized egg" is pro-abortion framing for "zygote." Fact is, an egg is no longer an egg (female gamete) after fusion with a sperm (male gamete), any more than a sperm is a sperm after fusion with an egg; we don't call it a fertilized sperm cell, after all. But, for the pro-abortionists, this is an inconvenient truth. "Fertilized egg" does sound a lot like "sunny-side up egg," so there can't be any moral difference, right? Thanks George Carlin, for making us think.
eggs
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 08:08 ET by easygoerIt's actually the opposite of what Carlin said. There's a federal law against the poaching of turtle eggs, so the gov't has MORE respect for the potential life of certain animals than of potential humans.
As for Carlin himself, I hated his politics. But who cares, the guy was at his best when he was dissecting the English language. There was never anyone better at pointing out the idiosyncrasies and
absurdities of our language. I saw him at the Manhattan Center
in 1978. I was seventeen; something I'll always remember.
As a standup comedian, Seinfeld doen't even come close.
Happy landing George.
Funny guy
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:12 ET by KC MulvilleWhen I was 17, Carlin was funny and I thought he was deep. When I grew up, I realized that he was just funny. The idea that he was a philosopher, and he "made you think" ... jeez, did you really need a comic to make you think? What does that say about you? If you thought Carlin was deep, I know a bunch of philosophers who are really going to blow your mind.
He was a funny guy. There's nothing wrong with that. He took his natural talent, worked on it, tried to stay honest, and that's all you can ask for. Honor him for that, but don't use his life to make a statement. Give him some dignity.
jUST aNOTHER
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:14 ET by kilrodJust another dead idiot i had no respect for, may God have Mercy on his soul.
kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
"...he was a comedy legend
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:15 ET by Chris Norman"...he was a comedy legend who made us laugh and think."
Rush Limbaugh played tapes today of George Carlin talking about his contempt for environmenatlists, their arrogance, and environmentalism in general. I wonder if Katie would include this in what she praised as making people "think"?
Chris... Of course she or
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:31 ET by bigtimerChris...
Of course she or any other leftists in the msm wouldn't play this...especially when it comes to Gore and the likes of Hansen!
He told it like it was...and is!
It is hilarious...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
bt, If Carlin had lived, he
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:44 ET by Chris Normanbt,
If Carlin had lived, he might be hauled up on charges of "crimes against humanity and nature" - talk about censorship!
Chris...ROFL! You made a
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:51 ET by bigtimerChris...ROFL!
You made a great point there..brought up on charges indeed.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BT, you're cherry-picking
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:48 ET by tracheostomyBT, you're cherry-picking Carlin.
He didn't tell it like it was. He asked a lot of pointed questions and all anyone did was laugh.
There was method to his madness.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Picky, picky, picky...get a
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:54 ET by bigtimerPicky, picky, picky...get a real life trach.
It was funny...and he did tell it like it is when it comes to the greenie nutcases.
We all await for your boring endless dissection of what I just posted.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
God is in the details, BT.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:04 ET by tracheostomyBT: Picky, picky, picky...get a real life trach.
You just phrased a recent post with "hate to nitpick here, but. . ."
BT: It was funny...
Funny because it was true?
BT: . . .and he did tell it like it is when it comes to the greenie nutcases.
Now who's being picky? The subject is Carlin as a whole and not your eisegetical interpretation of Carlin's material. You don't get to endorse Carlin for the sake of one routine, or else I can endorse Bill Maher for the sake of all the stuff he says that I might agree with (which is in fact, very little).
BT: We all await for your boring endless dissection of what I just posted.
How's it feel to be on the liberal end, BT? This is what liberals do, excuse the whole person's platform for the sake of the particulars, right?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I'd tell you to go to hell
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:06 ET by bigtimerI'd tell you to go to hell trach but you are already there.
Burn...baby...burn.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Sputtering; aimless anger is a telling sign.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:15 ET by tracheostomy1. You're diverting to the poster and away from the subject.
2. You just condemned me.
3. Thus, can people like Carlin, O'Donnell, and Maher conclude the same about you that they do others who embrace institutionalized eisegetical religion?
Yes, I'd say they can.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Hey trach...that's another
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:19 ET by bigtimerHey trach...that's another thing..I am sick of your eisegetical BS too...whatever the heck that is supposed to mean.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Your willful ignorance
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:26 ET by tracheostomyYour willful ignorance shows up in your writing.
I didn't make it up.
Google it.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
No trach...I'm just a dumb
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:36 ET by bigtimerNo trach...I'm just a dumb uneducated redneck...try using normal language some of us can understand...
Btw..I did look it up..in the dictionary on my PC...it wasn't there..nevertheless..if you can't put it in simple words for my question, it says a lot about you and your nutty evil twisted mind.
You are a pain in the a$$...
You cannot even take a simple hilarious knock to the greenies by Carlin's routine and laugh...you have to make a huge deal of it...
What a pathetic critter you are IMHO.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BT,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:52 ET by RESTLESS 1Eisigesis: an interpretation of text or script, (especially Biblical), whicis formed from the bias of the reader/interpretor.
Exegesis: letting the text or script (especially Biblical), interpret itself. In poker terms, "the board speaks for itself".
Just trying to help. :)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Thanks R1. I was afraid
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:57 ET by tracheostomyThanks R1. I was afraid they wouldn't read it because it came from me.
Again, thank you.
This is the little meme of truth that will kill the MSM and the church of liberalism for good.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
R1... Thanks... Now, it
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:02 ET by bigtimerR1...
Thanks...
Now, it would be nice if trach would just communicate in normal terms...
...at least you answered me, he still never did below.
Btw..as if I am going to memorize this all...or care.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Who's side are you on?
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:07 ET by tracheostomyBT: Btw..as if I am going to memorize this all...or care.
You want our side to win, right? Well this is the tool. This will also blow away every single redneck stereotype the liberal elite has to throw at you.
My gift. . .to you. I just needed R1 to sprinkle a little sugar on it. ;)
We're all on the same side here, and I really am trying to help.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
tr... You are full of
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:10 ET by bigtimertr...
You are full of shite..why didn't you just answer that yourself you little pretending twerp..instead of letting someone else do it for you?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BECAUSE YOU'D REFUSE TO
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:15 ET by tracheostomyBECAUSE YOU'D REFUSE TO READ IT.
YOU STATED YOU DIDN'T WANT TO READ MY POSTS!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Ewww...the devils gettin'
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:21 ET by bigtimerEwww...the devils gettin' angry...
ROFLMAO!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
See, I told you. -PJ
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:29 ET by tracheostomySee, I told you.
-PJ
Ewww...the devils gettin'
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:22 ET by bigtimerEwww...the devils gettin' angry...
ROFLMAO!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
So hard on yourself. . .
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:52 ET by tracheostomyBT: No trach...I'm just a dumb uneducated redneck...try using normal language some of us can understand...
Your words, not mine. I don't believe that about you! My redneck family knows the word and understands that it is necessary.
I'm not talking over your head because there is another "interpretation of everything" that you should know about. This is it BT, and you're more than capable enough to grasp it!
This is the very crux of the liberal mind-game. This is the nuts and bolts of MSM bias. This is their weak spot. This is exactly where we take the fight to them. This is what was lost ages ago with everything we read and hear. This is the sine qua non of the written media!
Yes, you can BT! I believe in you!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
bigtimer, I wouldn't
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:54 ET by hydrodynDMbigtimer,
I wouldn't worry too much about Trach calling you "ignorant".
In a discussion with me some weeks back, they refused to acknowledge that triangles are defined as having three sides.
Hydro: I wouldn't worry
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:00 ET by tracheostomyHydro: I wouldn't worry too much about Trach calling you "ignorant".
You're always given the opportunity to change.
Hydro: In a discussion with me some weeks back, they refused to acknowledge that triangles are defined as having three sides.
This is what I'm talking about. Hydro is a disciple of a form of faulty inductive reasoning.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach, Was I talking to
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:05 ET by hydrodynDMtrach,
Was I talking to you?
By the way, all inductive reasoning in "faulty" in the sense that it isn't truth preserving.
By the by the way, you never did provide me with a deductive proof that triangles have three sides.
Willing to admit you were wrong on that one? Doubt it.
LOL.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:11 ET by tracheostomyHydro: Was I talking to you?
Oh, I'm sorry. LOL, is this a private dinner party?
Didn't see the exclusive guest list anywhere.
Hydro: By the by the way, you never did provide me with a deductive proof that triangles have three sides. Willing to admit you were wrong on that one? Doubt it.
BRB, I have to go back and look up what the discussion was about. Are you proposing there are is, in fact, a non-3 sided triangle, or are you proposing we wait for one in blind faith?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach, I was just being
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:20 ET by hydrodynDMtrach,
I was just being snippy with that first line.
Let me remind you about the triangle thing. You suggested that a deductive proof is necessary to show that triangles have three sides.
I pointed out that triangles have three sides by definition - you know, the kind of thing a 5th grader would know.
You refused to acknowledge your error. Wonder why that is?
By the way, how do you get that I'm suggesting that there are non-three sided triangles? Since you are so fond of throwing out phrases like "speaking to motive" and "arguing from ignorance", how does "straw man argument" suit you?
Hydro,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:45 ET by tracheostomyHydro: Let me remind you about the triangle thing. You suggested that a deductive proof is necessary to show that triangles have three sides.
Thanks for the link. This is your grudge, remember? Let's see the link.
I ripped this off from Oliver McAdoo (I was getting hungry; too lazy to do it myself, apologies).
There you go. Where'd I mess up? I cannot say according to induction, "this one triangle has 3 sides, but I cannot use this one triangle to judge all triangles." Here, I ripped more off of a Toronto math site.
So what were you getting at, Hydro?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach, "So what are you
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:07 ET by hydrodynDMtrach,
"So what are you getting at, Hydro?"
Yea, it's pretty obvious you don't have a clue. First off, the part you put in bold in that first quote is just another way of saying that triangles have three sides... by definition.
The second quote basically explains, in more detail, what I meant when I said that induction isn't truth preserving.
Your two quotes support my points, so you could have saved yourself the trouble - unless you think I need to be convinced of my own argument.
Here's what you said in our previous conversation:
Example #1. "All triangles have 3 sides" can be proven through deduction. There is an actual law for it.
Nothing in your post supports this. This statement is false. If there is such a proof - provide it for me.
This isn't about some old grudge - it's about pointing out that you seem to be the type of person who can't admit when they are wrong about something - and so arguments with you are pretty pointless.
Yes, I recognize the irony in that last statement.
Hydro. . .
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:25 ET by tracheostomyExample #1. "All triangles have 3 sides" can be proven through deduction. There is an actual law for it.
Oh. I think I see what you're getting at. I'm saying the "law for it" is that the statement is an essential truth.
Look at the rest of what I wrote in context.
PJ: Example #1. "All triangles have 3 sides" can be proven through deduction. There is an actual law for it.
But what if somewhere along the way, a new crop of professors came along
and dropped that little piece of vital info; making both forms of reasoning relative
to each other.
Then for the next 10 years or so, they practiced and taught everyone to defer to what was most convenient. So then we get the following. . .
Example #2. "All triangles have 3 sides" can be argued and questioned through induction as long as the one doing the arguing has whatever amount of pride or status at stake. Who knows? Maybe his tenure is under threat. So he swallows his pride, throws away his integrity, and plays the silly song and dance, "Just for the sake of discussion of course." So he'll leap into the unknown and make it work for him; make it "as if" it were a valid argument.
"Well, I'm sorry you're so narrow-minded PJ, but we have not yet observed a non-3 sided triangle, so the assertion above isn't necessarily true."
SCREW YOU PAL!!! I'm sick of this BS game!
I was saying you can cheat an essential truth by forcing induction upon an essential truth and argue the point "as if" it were a valid argument.
Hydro: Nothing in your post supports this. This statement is false. If there is such a proof - provide it for me.
LOL. I'm sorry I didn't write it clearly enough. Okay? Ha-ha. . .wow! This one's easy to apologize for.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach, You know, when I
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:39 ET by hydrodynDMtrach,
You know, when I went back to look at that conversation, it occured to me that maybe I was misunderstanding what you were saying - that you weren't actually making the point of your "Example #1" but, rather, putting it out there to make another point.
But then I looked a little further on in the conversation and found this from you:
Because according to you, triangles don't have 3 sides by virtue of
deduction - they have three sides by virtue of the definition of the
word "triangle".
This seemed to suggest that you did agree with the statement in your Example #1.
But whatever. If you are acknowledging that you were wrong on that, then ok.
Not really sure what you mean by:
I was saying you can cheat an essential truth by forcing induction upon
an essential truth and argue the point "as if" it were a valid
argument.
Not sure what you mean by "essential truth" - your previous posts suggest you mean "truth by definition", but, again, I'm not sure. Either way, induction isn't truth preserving so you can never use it to make a valid argument. I'm sure there are people around who think you can, but they would be wrong.
You spun me dizzy, okay
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:46 ET by tracheostomyYou spun me dizzy, okay Hydro? Sometimes that happens.
"By definition" <---Can be screwed around with in a dishonest way.
I was trying to attach an essential truth to it without playing word games like, "Well what really is a triangle?" Like Socrates' horse. If you accept that "a triangle has 3 sides" is an essential truth, then we made progress.
Hydro: Not sure what you mean by "essential truth" - your previous posts suggest you mean "truth by definition", but, again, I'm not sure. Either way, induction isn't truth preserving so you can never use it to make a valid argument.
If I read it right, then we're agreed. So then open up a new thread and go from there.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
You can't prove a
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:29 ET by Conservative VoiceYou can't prove a definition, a triangle is defined as:
A three sided polygon.
You can't prove it has three sides, proofs are properties inferred from definitions and other proofs. It is what it is. What a dumb argument.
Conservative, Agreed. My
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:33 ET by hydrodynDMConservative,
Agreed. My initial reason for bringing it up was you give an example of how stubborn trach can be. Unfortunately, it opened up a can of three sided worms.
hydro
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:37 ET by Conservative Voicethe funny thing is, he stepped into it... proving your point...it also cracks me up that whenever someone says dissect this, sarcastically, he does.
...and you trach are
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:06 ET by bigtimer...and you trach are completely insane.
From now on I am going to start looking at your posts as true Comedy Central.
I remeber how upset I was when you inferred, all but called me a liar about never having heard of Curious George...I was shocked you did this to me....then I started reading back on some of the other threads and things you have posted in the past...you are one spooky devil.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
You fear what you don't
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:13 ET by tracheostomyYou fear what you don't understand. R1 understands and so does Dee.
I think you're capable of understanding too.
I'm not insane. If I were, you would be able to find my fallacy and isolate it.
-PJ
...ROFLMAO! "Never murder
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:19 ET by bigtimer...ROFLMAO!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Trach,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:36 ET by RESTLESS 1When it comes to "only faith saves and only God's Grace grants faith" we are in lockstep. Where we part is Predestination, but I'll digress for now.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
And Dee's one step ahead of
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:28 ET by tracheostomyAnd Dee's one step ahead of you, because she had the courage to swallow her pride and look it up. She's showing the nobility of a Berean.
You know who they are?
Look it up. You got some catching up to do.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Well BT - don't do what I did with Trach
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:50 ET by Dee Bunkbecause it got me nowhere. He doesn't like to explain what he believes he only likes attacking what others believe and pretending to know their beliefs when he can't even explain his own.
I tried and was extremely nice. I didn't yell at him or call him any names or say that he used the Bible as toilet paper or anything and he didn't think I was worthy of an explanation. He only knows how to attack I guess.
It's funny how he does keep bringing others up and lumping all of us together. I always knew he had his own agenda here, but I at least thought he was somewhat conservative. I think it's clear now that he isn't. He comes here for one reason only, to attack people's religion. I don't think he even cares about politics at all.
Dee,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:51 ET by tracheostomyDee: He doesn't like to explain what he believes he only likes attacking what others believe and pretending to know their beliefs when he can't even explain his own.
That doesn't even make sense. If I were pretending to know other people's beliefs, then I could be corrected according to the information I didn't know.
Dee: I tried and was extremely nice.
I found you extremely patronizing.
Dee: I didn't yell at him or call him any names or say that he used the Bible as toilet paper or anything and he didn't think I was worthy of an explanation. He only knows how to attack I guess.
I diverted nothing.
Dee: It's funny how he does keep bringing others up and lumping all of us together. I always knew he had his own agenda here, but I at least thought he was somewhat conservative. I think it's clear now that he isn't. He comes here for one reason only, to attack people's religion. I don't think he even cares about politics at all.
Then why did I include politics in this post?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Dee and Trach
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:50 ET by jefflebowskiAfter trying to follow your lengthy conversation without success, I am now going to torture myself by putting women's underwear on my head.
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.com
scorecard
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:55 ET by Free StinkerDee: 1
trake: 1
JeffLeTrollSki: -7
Free... Jeff is one of
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:01 ET by Clear thinkerFree...
Jeff is one of the good guys. It takes a few postings to get his sarcasm. He'll grow on ya, really!
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
The guy has "I'm a
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:14 ET by Free StinkerThe guy has "I'm a Conservative with a brain"
. . . as if most conservatives don't . . . I'm suspicious.
Nah, don't be. Just give it
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:17 ET by Clear thinkerNah, don't be. Just give it time.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
FS... I told you when you
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:25 ET by bigtimerFS...
I told you when you and Blonde were deciding to take your time inferring he was a troll about a month ago back, that he wasn't.
Why didn't you trust me?
Look a his link..read his opinions ...let alone his comments here in the past and present..
He is bout as conservative as you can get...I, for one, have been glad to see him join NBs.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Why didn't you trust me?
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:35 ET by Free StinkerWhy didn't you trust me?
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! That was a good one.
BT: 575 FS: 0 A
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:42 ET by bigtimerBT: 575
FS: 0
A maturity level has to come sometime in your life FS...I'll be around to see it and celebrate when it happens.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BT lecturing anyone on
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:50 ET by Free StinkerBT lecturing anyone on maturity . . .
In other news, Irony announced it would be taking an early retirement.
BT: 576 FS: 0 Btw...to
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:54 ET by bigtimerBT: 576
FS: 0
Btw...to cut to the chase with you seemingly to be bosom buddies now...you both know exactly what I am talking about when it comes to FS removing me from his buddy list long ago now..
Boo-Hoo...
How have I ever survived...
LMAO!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
And why do you even care?
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:58 ET by Free StinkerFS removing me from his buddy list long ago now.
And why do you even care?
In other news, Crazy also announced an early retirement. "I just can;t keep up with BT anymore" Crazy was heard saying.
Therefore, we (all of
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:03 ET by tracheostomyTherefore, we (all of us) "should" be arguing to the facts and not the person.
If you're the first to take it to the person, you lose.
An ad hominem argument by any other name is still the same.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Lol Free
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:02 ET by Dee BunkI think Jeff is actually pretty cool. I can't blame anyone for getting aggravated with this stuff. I've avoided talking about religion for a really long time here for this very reason.
Dee and
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:08 ET by Clear thinkerDee and religion...
That's why I don't argue religion. Everyone thinks that their religion is the only truth, and all others are inferior to theirs. How can anyone win an argument about religion?
I will comment on it, but I won't argue it.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Clear - tI agree and NB is not for religious conversion
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:40 ET by Dee BunkIt's about media bias and the only reason I've been getting involved is because Trach is always jumping on anything someone says about their religion. If he can't bring himself to defend the other religion when the media bias is against them then he should just stay off the thread. The reason they posts the threads is to say how the media misinterpreted or demonized that religion. The thread is not about proving that religion right or wrong.
He has his own agenda here and it has nothing to do with politics. It's not what this site is for. If he wants these discussions then he should keep them in the forum section.
Dee,
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:52 ET by tracheostomyDee: Clear - tI agree and NB is not for religious conversion.
Then move the admins to ban it.
Dee: It's about media bias. . .
Not entirely honest here. Religious issues are connected with media bias all the time. I dig for the root of the problem. You only want to argue one side.
Dee: . . .and the only reason I've been getting involved is because Trach is always jumping on anything someone says about their religion.
Not entirely honest either. If you shouldn't be having religious conversation, then you should be more equal-opportunity about those who bring the subject up before I "jump on them," no? But then you wouldn't be preaching a double-standard.
Dee: If he can't bring himself to defend the other religion when the media bias is against them then he should just stay off the thread.
Which "religion" is this you speak of? You're being deliberately vague.
Dee: The reason they posts the threads is to say how the media misinterpreted or demonized that religion.
It doesn't have to stop there. This isn't arbitrarily limited to "nuh-uh" comments against MSM statements.
Dee: He has his own agenda here and it has nothing to do with politics.
Politics is your limit. I'm arguing to the absolute truth behind the politics. Who moves the movers? You don't like me looking behind that curtain, do you?
Dee: It's not what this site is for. If he wants these discussions then he should keep them in the forum section.
Then it "should" go for everyone equally. Your "shoulds" are wishes for new rules.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Free Stinker thinks I'm a liberal
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:09 ET by jefflebowskiAnyone who has read my "red meat" postings, knows I am anything but. Anyone who reads my blog knows just how much I hate liberals. For example:
http://angrywhitedude.com/?p=64
If Free can read (and that is debatable), he'll know exactly where I stand in reference to liberals after reading that post.
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.com
Jeff... Free is also one
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:15 ET by Clear thinkerJeff...
Free is also one of the good guys. He can only get to this forum on certain days at certain times because of his job. More than likely he has not seen many of your postings.
Once you guys get to know each other, you should become good cyber friends. I hope!
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Clear, I'll take your word on it....
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:20 ET by jefflebowskibut still
Jeff Lebowski - 1,000,000
Free - 0
lol
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.com
That's the spirit. Free
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:22 ET by Clear thinkerThat's the spirit.
Free would be proud!
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
ooops.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:25 ET by Clear thinkerooops.
ooops.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:24 ET by Clear thinkerooops.
Ct, I am begining to wonder about some cyber friends at NB.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:47 ET by R D HelmSeems recently much angst has arisen between many who appear on my buddy list, as well as others here I consider to be friends, and have for some time.
Puzzling, to say the least.
I know many of us are frustrated with rising energy prices, a slipping economy, and a looming election that appears to have no possible outcome that would foster the continued prosperity of this nation, but damn, some of the stuff flying around here recently has been right toxic.
It is getting to the point that when I login here, I feel the need for a a catcher's mask and a chest-protector.
I am beginning to think a Tyvek suit and an SCBA might be in order as well.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
RD sounds like a Sat am cartoon
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:52 ET bythe cyber friends---battle at midway
ps. sorry you didn't get the burka you were expecting
Support our Troops
botg,
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 06:53 ET by R D HelmActually, it's more like Tom & Jerry or The Roadrunner.
LOL-And I am pretty glad that I didn't get the burka.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Don't fight the scoreboard Jeff
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:19 ET by shawn228Just go with the flow. I stopped fighting it and once in a Blue moon, I find myself on the winning end. I even have a free point I can use anytime I want, but I'm not allowed to use it against Dee. Also to this day, I don't understand the point system, but like I said go with the flow :-)
bt, thanks for posting that Carlin vid.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:10 ET by R D HelmI had heard the audio of it, but it works much better when you can see George do it.
That man was a riot!
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Thanks RD...I don't know if
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:19 ET by bigtimerThanks RD...I don't know if you were here last night when I posted two other links about the Hippy-Dippy Weatherman and such...he was a riot...like I said in my post last night, I didn't always agree with him, but since my early teens now then, he cracked me up...that was his job, that was what the man was supposed to do...he was making a living.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Um, yes George...
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:16 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltSpeaking for myself, since I'm sure you'd want no one to speak for you; I AM better than a chicken. It's called "the food chain", and we're higher on it than a chicken. Just as a chicken is higher on it than a worm (or whatever bugs they eat). You don't see a chicken having an existential moment wondering if she's any better than the worm, and whether he has the right to eat it, do you?
→ I'm curious, George
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:20 ET by Cool ArrowAre there any chickens where you are now?
Is Colonel Sanders paying for his poultry holocaust?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Are there any chickens where you are now?
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:31 ET by misterbillThere are a few but they are scrambling to get out of town!!!!!
Don't glair at me like that--up the food chain!!!!
who exactly is
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:35 ET by balboawho exactly is "us"?
Apparently not you. You're impervious to thought-provoking comedy. Congrats. Feel free to now label Carlin an "elitist."
Uh...
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:23 ET by GrannyGrump42" Feel free to now label Carlin an "elitist." "
Carlin would have had to have more class to be an elitist. He was a potty-mouthed overgrown toddler who just said anything that he thought might grate on a grown-up. While it's understandable to be that way around puberty, it's something most people outgrow by the time they're 30.
When you're proud of what an immature, purile and annoying twerp you are, that's not elitist. It's childish.
Carlin is known for his
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:05 ET by MidAmericaCarlin is known for his 'observational humor'. Jerry Seinfeld does that but his comedy is non-committal and non-confrontational. Most 'country' humor is observational and if you like it.... it might mean your a redneck. But Carlin's genius was his originality combined with a persona and delivery that all meshed together into a routine that could keep you guessing as to what was next thereby catching the audience by surprise.
All you have to do....
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:16 ET by GrannyGrump42All you have to do to get the MSM to gush over you is be a fan of abortion. So much the better if you actually DO the abortions.
Katie Couric. This should stop your laughing.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:17 ET by Gary HallFormer President Jimmy Carter again, recently, restated his long held position that abortion is not OK. The Dalai Lama has clearly expressed that abortion is the premeditated decision to take the life of a living being. In other words, Katie, it's killing.
You and Carlin still yucking it up?
as carlin got a little
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:36 ET by seaniepas carlin got a little older I watched some of his HBO stuff and didn't laugh very hard
but he reminds me of matt stone and trey parker a bit, they once said (and I paraphrase) - We hate conservatives, but we really f^&*ing hate liberals
big on personal liberties and personal responsibility, but upset at the religion that tends to follow with those thoughts
I'll confess, the first
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:20 ET by AvatarI'll confess, the first thing that jumped to mind when i heard George Carlin had died was,
"Great, now people who aren't witty and have no chance of being funny by themselves throughout the nation will no longer be able get new material to try to appear funny with."
I did not like Carlin, i didn't think he was especially funny. Cranky whiner isn't funny. Comparison of humankind to chickens isn't funny. George Carlin daily quote calandars aren't funny (just plain irritating).
Death comes to all eventually, but i don't the country suffered any great loss with the death of this bitter old man. Not compared to, say, 95% of the population.
The Avatar
Gosh that was ever so
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:43 ET by balboaGosh that was ever so loverly. I'd send that in to Hallmark.
why should i pretend that i
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 19:59 ET by Avatarwhy should i pretend that i like/respect the guy just because he's dead now? The news is gushing over the death of this guy like he's some great american icon, when he's not.
The Avatar
Carlin also let us know
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:16 ET by wiwfCarlin also let us know that that being eco friendly is pointless!
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Nah, I'd post something that
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:36 ET by balboaNah, I'd post something that makes you look coolly cynical. Very Vulcan.
Carlin Could be
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:22 ET by Airforce_5_Ofunny but I did not find him the intellect that libs do. He made it from a single family and a high school drop out. But he also got discharged from the Air Force with a general discharge because he was a screw off. He got fired from his first radio job because he used the radio station truck to go buy pot.
Funny yes, but I don't respect him at all.
But what do I know? I am bitter and cling to my religion and guns.
Dito
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:25 ET by Airforce_5_OBut what do I know? I am bitter and cling to my religion and guns.
yeah ... george carlin said a lot ...
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:41 ET by pmohbuck... the one diatribe of carlin's that none of the major media outlets will EVER report is his matter-of-fact rant on how stupid the environmental movement was ... and the elitist ignorance of those who believe that a 4 billion year old plant can be destroyed by 200 years of human industrial waste ... the man was brilliant, regardless of what side he chose to take on an issue.
Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden?
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:55 ET by Free StinkerHere's another question I have: How come when it's us it's an abortion and when it's a chicken it's an omelet?
Uh, that's easy. I didn't need 8 years of Sunday School to answer this one.
Chickens were not created in the image of God. We were. In fact, that is precisely why I'm sinning every time I call someone a fool.
Free and we eat Chickens, not just their eggs
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:15 ET by Dee Bunkunless you are a vegetarian and then you eat neither! We don't eat babies or fetuses.
Also eggs are not fertilized so the comparison would be to a woman's unfertilized egg and taking those out isn't considered an abortion.
These liberals are so (dang I was going to say foolish) gross (is gross okay?).
Too Gross? That's 288 !
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:20 ET by Free StinkerDee,
Gross is Okay. ;-)
So is a plate of scrambled eggs, or some grilled chicken!
...and to think...I just
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:12 ET by bigtimer...and to think...I just ate a fried, yolky egg/avocado sandwich...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Couric and Carlin
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:15 ET by GoodieCouric and Carlin sadly Loser and Loser in the end one is dead and another dying......Couric needs a Lojack to revitalize her less than average show..
A new time
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:26 ET by Airforce_5_OI guess the libs will have a new way to tell time. Next year it will be 1 AC (After Carlin)
But what do I know? I am bitter and cling to my religion and guns.
Had Katie's parent's had had one of those "okay" abortions....
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:26 ET by R D Helm...perhaps CBS' ratings wouldn't be circling at an ever-increasing rate as they sink ever closer to the bottom of the loo.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Loo? For Katie I prefer to
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:30 ET by Clear thinkerLoo? For Katie I prefer to use the word crapper!
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Ct, LOL-Hey, I'm trying to clean up my act here.
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:37 ET by R D HelmThe truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
RD...
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 21:38 ET by Clear thinkerWhy start now?
;-)
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Carlin and 9/11 Truthers
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:59 ET by Rush FanDuring a book signing last year at Borders, George Carlin gave an impromptu interview about 9/11. He was asked by one of the people waiting in line for Mr. Carlin to sign his book what he thought about the 9/11 truth movement and the interruption by the truthers of Bill Maher’s show. Carlin appeared to have doubts about the official version of what happened on 9/11 by stating: "I always question the received reality" and "The consensus reality is often intentionally misleading.”
You be the judge. Here is the link to the video of this brief interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pow5_UYKaJ8
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Which political party is invested in our defeat in Iraq?
The so-called 9/11 truthers
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:56 ET by lotrThe so-called 9/11 truthers are a CIA/FBI/Bush-Cheny/Mob/Cuba/LBJ conspiracy. Haven't you seen South Park? Just goes to show you Carlin was an old-fart way behind the times. So is Couric.
You want some really good
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:16 ET by Cureboy675You want some really good comedy? Check out Eddie Izzard. He's a British transvestite (but don't worry, he's straight) and I have never laughed as hard as when I watched him.
And he makes some hilarious insights about history and the British Empire and things like that. But my all-time favorite is his bit about the Death Star Canteen:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hp69rg6Hdlo
The funniest comedian ever
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:20 ET by Clear thinkerThe funniest comedian ever was Red Skelton!
Nobody comes close.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Not to take anything away from Red....
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 08:11 ET by Prester John...but Bob Newhart, Jonathan Winters, and Bill Cosby (esp his routines from the late 60s) were/are just as funny. And for political satire you couldn't get much better than Tom Lehrer.
And notice how they could do it without being potty mouthed.
I must admit that I liked
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 22:40 ET by mostlymoderateI must admit that I liked Carlin. He really appeared to be an "equal-opportunity" comedian and picked on everything and everybody. RIP Carlin.
Sorry, but I don't like
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:14 ET by lotrSorry, but I don't like preacher-comedians. Either be a preacher, or a comedian. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The current blog doesn't seem to be "equal opportunity" -- seems pretty pro-abortion to me.
I respect his career
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:25 ET by Jnoble..but you nailed it, his last couple of HBO specials were so shrill and preachy, even my friend who is a huge Carlin fan had to admit that it wasn't all that good. There were parts where he's just angrly going on and on about how stupid everyone is (does that include him?) without any kind of humor or joke to go with the rants. Come on, people didn't pay 30 or 40 bucks to HBO to hear a crotchedy old man complain about everything, they want to LAUGH!
Carlin said some really nasty things about my country and the war effort etc in the recent couple of years and I stopped respecting him after that. Yeah George, we're "killing the brown people" because we have nothing better to do. Did you sleep through 9-11?
Like, he made us think, unlike those anti-abortion freaks
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:26 ET by lotr"How come when it's us it's an abortion and when it's a chicken it's an omelet?"
How come when it's us it's "hanged, drawn and quartered" and when it's a chicken it's a BBQ half-chicken? Duh. And this supposedly made us "think"? WTF.
lotr
Tue, 06/24/2008 - 23:33 ET by"did you know that god spelled backwards is dog? kinda makes you think" --- some Woody Allen movie
Support our Troops
Don't forget that IDIOT spelled backwards is TOIDI.
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 07:14 ET by c5thenThe day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
→ botg
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 07:23 ET by Cool ArrowThat was some years before his mega-hit movie "Honey I Boinked The Kid"?
I think he also came up with the earthshattering observation "Underneath our clothes we're all naked"
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
And Katie made us think that
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 06:19 ET by CrashAnd Katie made us think that showing the world the inside of her ass is okay! I'm sure George would laugh at that joke.
I heard there might be an actors strike. Anyone up for a reality show called Abortion? It can show just how wonderful they are and how joyous the females feel after their poor choice.
Empty heads like
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 08:11 ET by mattmEmpty heads like Couric may take life lessons from people like Carlin, but to me he was just a funny guy with a gift for observation.
The question of "who is
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 08:27 ET by dvdaughtryThe question of "who is 'us'" has been answered. Carlin spoke his mind. Some have a problem with him because he doesn't have a Christian Worldview and write off everything he said. Some was funny, some was not. He was over the top because that was his schtick (sp?). Don't like, don't listen, but if you got upset at Katie's "us" comment, she prolly wasn't to you.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
What's your point?
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 11:42 ET by mattmWhat's your point?
I agree with you. My comment
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 11:47 ET by dvdaughtryI agree with you. My comment was to the general population. I replied under your post because that is what I was referring too.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Thanks Katy!
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 08:39 ET by SickofLibsHey, maybe Obama can use that omelet line somewhere...
"I'm not going to punish my daughter with a baby, so I have a notion an omelet might be a better option."
Carlin, tireless worker against public decency
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 09:25 ET by lgeubankCarlin was a filthy little maggot. He couldn't STAND it that there were bounds of public decency, that there were a very few dirty words you couldn't say on the air. He worked tirelessly to destroy those boundaries. So we have him partly to thank for the sewer that runs over the airwaves today.
I heard a few of his comments about religion a couple of days ago -- the remarks of a guttersnipe. He may have been funny, but his influence on this country was entirely destructive. Like most of our "funny" men and women today, he had a grudge against this society and a complete lack of morals or character. He was a nasty little burrowing mole, undermining the principles and character of our populace country -- and he was pretty successful at it.
That statement was followed
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 09:26 ET by ladyrvtThat statement was followed by Carlin ranting: "Here's another question I have: How come when it's us it's an abortion and when it's a chicken it's an omelet? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden?"
Probably for the same reason that if someone else kills a pregnant woman, it's a double murder. But if said pregnant woman kills her own unborn child, it's a "choice."
Chickens are better
Wed, 06/25/2008 - 12:11 ET by CobraMan"Here's another question I have: How come when it's us it's an abortion
and when it's a chicken it's an omelet? Are we so much better than
chickens all of a sudden?"
And here's your answer: It’s actually the other way around. The Chickens are better than us as the Chickens actually try to raise ALL of their young and they don't abandon them while they’re still a fetus (we call that an abortion), while, on the other hand, we Humans have to STEAL the eggs (aka a Chicken fetus) in order to make that omelet for our breakfast. When's the last time you saw a Chicken stealing a Human fetus in order to make their breakfast? Never! So, you tell me, who's better, the Chicken or the Man?