On Sunday’s CBS "60 Minutes," anchor Bob Simon talked to members of the Israeli Air Force and asked one pilot, Captain Omri, about air strikes in the Gaza strip in which civilians occasionally are killed:
It's a classic guerilla war. Fifty dollar rockets made in the back alleys of Gaza against Israel's $50,000 missiles. The Israelis will tell you that kind of expense buys precise weapons which limit collateral damage. But it also gives the air force the capability of assassinating their enemy's leadership. The Israelis call this "targeted killings"; the Palestinians call it murder. Have you hit any targets?
Simon then went on to say to Omri: "But I must tell you, your face, your manners, your demeanor, you don't look like a killer. And yet what you do a lot of the time when you're over Gaza, you're killing." The pilot responded: "I agree. I don't think I'm a killer. When I look at my face in the mirror, I don't see a killer."
Simon then turned to Colonel Ziv Levy and asked about civilian deaths:
SIMON: Israel's pilots will tell you that blowing up buildings and cars in crowded cities are not the kind of missions they dreamed of when they joined the air force. But those are the missions they're flying today in Gaza, sometimes with devastating consequences. Scores of Palestinian civilians have been killed this year alone. What's the air force doing to reduce civilian casualties in Gaza?
LEVY: Anything and everything we can.
SIMON: And yet civilians are getting killed. Children are getting killed.
LEVY: And yes, sometimes, unfortunately, civilians are getting hit. So it's a very difficult moral dilemma, what to do.
At the end of the segment, Simon asked the head of the Israeli Air Force, Eliezer Shkedy, about the threat of Iran and seemed surprised by Shkedy’s comparison of Iran to Nazi Germany:
SIMON: Shkedy and many other Israeli officers are from families who survived the Holocaust. In a letter to your commanders, you compared the leaders of Iran today to Hitler.
SHKEDY: In those days, people didn't believe that Hitler was serious about what he said.
SIMON: You mean back in the 1930s.
SHKEDY: Yes. And I suggest us not to repeat this way of thinking and to prepare ourselves to what they are planning.
SIMON: Can you tell me what that means?
SHKEDY: We should be prepared for everything.
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
7:04PM SEGMENT:
BOB SIMON: If any country takes the words of the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, more seriously than the United States, it is Israel. And that's not surprising. Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be wiped off the map, and Israeli intelligence estimates that Iran could be two years away from having a nuclear weapon. Tonight, we will give you a rare look inside the organization that may well be called upon to do something about it: the IAF, Israeli Air Force. It's one of the most secretive organizations of its kind. So, in return for access to its planes and personnel, we had to agree to rigorous censorship. We cannot identify the bases we visited, nor the young pilots we interviewed. In addition, the video we filmed inside their facilities had to be examined by military censors. If the Israelis blow their secrets, they insist, they'll lose the next war. How do you characterize the threat from Iran?
ELIEZER SHKEDY: I think it's a very serious threat to the state of Israel, but more than this, to the whole world.
SIMON: Major General Eliezer Shkedy, the commander of the Israeli Air Force, says Iran's threats against Israel cannot be ignored.
SHKEDY: They are talking about what they think about the state of Israel. They are talking about destroying and wiping us from the Earth.
SIMON: Shkedy not only commands the air force, he also heads the Israeli task force on Iran. These are only his desk jobs. Every week, he flies with the pilots he may send to the next war. But here you are, a key member of the defense establishment of the state of Israel. Isn't a little -- isn't it a little bit risky to have you flying once a week in different warplanes?
SHKEDY: Risk is part of my job.
SIMON: As it is for all Israeli pilots who maintain a constant state of alert. The call can come at any time and with no warning. We cannot tell you how long it takes them to get to their planes. We can tell you it's really fast. Israel is a tiny country in a tough neighborhood. Beirut and Damascus are less than 15 minutes away. They still train for dogfights, that's where the glory was, but it's been a generation since pilots had to fight one; for 60 years, the Israeli Air Force has ruled these skies.
ZIV LEVY: We spend a lot of time and a lot of effort in training and being prepared for the worst.
LEVY: We cannot lose a single war. The first war we lose, Israel will cease to exist.
SIMON: The censors allowed us to show Colonel Ziv Levy's face because he's the commander of an air base where rookies and combat veterans hone their skills together. There's very little time for saluting, very little ceremony. A lot of time is spent on critiquing each other.
LEVY: When I go to fly with the other pilots, ranks don't matter. I can be the base commander and the youngest pilot in the squadron will be the leader. I expect him to tell me what he thinks about what I did. What were my mistakes?
SIMON: Mistakes are ultimately unacceptable because the country is so small and the stakes are so high. In the US, you volunteer for the Air Force and if you have the right stuff, you become a pilot. In Israel, everybody has to serve in the military. The air force by law gets to select the nation's finest, whether they want to be in the air force or not. When you were a kid, did you always want to be in the air force?
OMRI: No. Nope. Nah. My dream was to go to the special forces in Israel.
SIMON: But the air force wanted you.
OMRI: Yep.
SIMON: You don't say no to the air force.
OMRI: That's right.
SIMON: And once they make it to the flight academy, only one in 40 cadets actually become jet fighter pilots, one in 40. Many cadets used to dream of flying fighter jets, but that's changed. While a jet pilot may fly one or two big missions in his career, helicopter pilots see action every day. Twenty-one-year-old Shira is about to graduate as a pilot. Where do they find a suit that small?
SHIRA: There are short guys also as well.
SIMON: Not that short.
SHIRA: Actually, it wasn't that difficult to find.
SIMON: Don't be fooled by her size. In six months, Shira will be flying a Cobra, one of the most lethal helicopters in Israel's arsenal. How many girls were in your cadet class to begin with?
SHIRA: Seventeen.
SIMON: Seventeen. And how many are left?
SHIRA: It's only me. Right.
SIMON: Just you.
SHIRA: Yeah. Fortunately.
SIMON: You're the only woman here.
SHIRA: In my course, yes.
SIMON: You must be proud you made it.
SHIRA: Yeah, I'm feeling lucky.
SIMON: The Israeli Air Force may take the best and the brightest in the country; it may fly the finest American-made warplanes; and it may be so powerful that none of Israel's historic enemies will fly against it. The era of the dogfight is over. But in this new era, the air force is facing new challenges. Challenges which may prove more difficult than anything it has faced until now. And the challenges come from enemies that have no air force at all. Lebanon doesn't have one, nor does Gaza, where Islamic militants have launched thousands of crude homemade rockets into towns in southern Israel. Once the rockets are fired, Israelis have only seconds to take cover. We flew above Gaza to have a look. And that's Gaza in the background?
OMRI: That's right. The center of Gaza is on our right.
SIMON: For the last two years, Captain Omri has been hunting down militants in Gaza in his Apache attack helicopter. But you still can't take out all the people who are firing rockets at you?
OMRI: They are working from a very crowded, populated places, and they shoot the missiles from there. And they're shooting near children. And when you're taking your weapons system and looking at the launch area, you just see children running near it. It's unbelievable.
SIMON: And you retaliate?
OMRI: Yeah.
SIMON: They fire rockets, you hit back. So they fire more rockets and you hit back in a bigger way, and it just gets worse and worse.
OMRI: Yep. I agree.
SIMON: It's a classic guerilla war. Fifty dollar rockets made in the back alleys of Gaza against Israel's $50,000 missiles. The Israelis will tell you that kind of expense buys precise weapons which limit collateral damage. But it also gives the air force the capability of assassinating their enemy's leadership. The Israelis call this "targeted killings"; the Palestinians call it murder. Have you hit any targets?
OMRI: Definitely.
SIMON: People? Men who are wanted?
OMRI: Yep.
SIMON: But I must tell you, your face, your manners, your demeanor, you don't look like a killer. And yet what you do a lot of the time when you're over Gaza, you're killing.
OMRI: I agree. I don't think I'm a killer. When I look at my face in the mirror, I don't see a killer.
SIMON: Israel's pilots will tell you that blowing up buildings and cars in crowded cities are not the kind of missions they dreamed of when they joined the air force. But those are the missions they're flying today in Gaza, sometimes with devastating consequences. Scores of Palestinian civilians have been killed this year alone. What's the air force doing to reduce civilian casualties in Gaza?
LEVY: Anything and everything we can.
SIMON: And yet civilians are getting killed. Children are getting killed.
LEVY: And yes, sometimes, unfortunately, civilians are getting hit. So it's a very difficult moral dilemma, what to do.
SIMON: Things were a lot clearer back in 1967, when Israeli warplanes decimated the air forces of three nations in just two days. Or in 1981, when the Israeli Air Force was given the mission to stop Saddam Hussein from building a nuclear reactor, a mission that today is taking on new significance now that Iran has its own nuclear program. Back then, eight pilots and eight planes, each armed with two one-ton bombs, were readied for their flight to Baghdad. Then, after years of planning, they flew into history. This is the actual cockpit video of their mission. Flying 100 feet above the ground, they dodged Jordanian and Saudi radar. So far, so good. When they finally crossed the Euphrates River, the dome of the reactor appeared in their sights. Then, one by one, they dropped their bombs. The bombs hit their target. And you didn't have smart bombs back then, did you?
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: We didn't have smart bombs, but we had smart bombers.
SIMON: Iraq's nuclear program was blown apart, and all the pilots returned safely home. Iftach Spector was one of them. When you got back to Israel, you were acclaimed super heroes, saviors of the Jewish nation.
IFTACH SPECTOR: We postponed a threat, a real threat, and this -- I mean, the heroes were not us. The decision makers were the heroes in this because they showed the world what's right and what's wrong.
SIMON: Today, Israel's decision makers are faced with a similar choice. Will they take out Iran's nuclear facilities? The Israelis hope they won't have to, but can they do it? The pilots who flew on the Baghdad mission are convinced that the Iranians will be ready. Zeev Raz was the mission's commander.
ZEEV RAZ: We had one point to destroy; they have many points, many of them deep under the mountains, under the ground, and it's a much more complicated problem than in '81.
SIMON: Do you think Israel could do it?
RAZ: I really hope it will be solved in another way. There's only one thing worse than the Israel Air Force having to do it, is Iran having a nuclear bomb.
SIMON: It's a scenario which reminds Air Force Commander Shkedy of the Holocaust. He often gives this photograph to his officers. It shows Israeli Air Force planes flying over Auschwitz.
SHKEDY: We should remember. We cannot forget. We should trust only ourselves.
SIMON: And you believe that.
SHKEDY: I totally believe that.
SIMON: Shkedy and many other Israeli officers are from families who survived the Holocaust. In a letter to your commanders, you compared the leaders of Iran today to Hitler.
SHKEDY: In those days, people didn't believe that Hitler was serious about what he said.
SIMON: You mean back in the 1930s.
SHKEDY: Yes. And I suggest us not to repeat this way of thinking and to prepare ourselves to what they are planning.
SIMON: Can you tell me what that means?
SHKEDY: We should be prepared for everything.
SIMON: This past week, the CIA told Congress it believed that last September the Israeli Air Force bombed and destroyed a nuclear reactor in Syria.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
















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Simon's ignorance knows...
April 28, 2008 - 14:06 ET by ThalpySimon's ignorance knows no bounds.
The questioning should have
April 28, 2008 - 15:41 ET by BDThe questioning should have gone like this:
And Captain Omri's response should have been brief:
Typical of the Lib mindset:
April 28, 2008 - 14:07 ET by mattmTypical of the Lib mindset: Israel is wrong for defending itself and its defenders are murderers.
I'd like to see someone in the media say to Cecile Richards, "you don't look like a murderer."
Bob Simon
April 28, 2008 - 14:08 ET by iveseenitallBob Simon. Just another under-educated, immature, ignorant "liberal" hired by the MSM. So what's new? And they blame the internet for their demise--scheeze!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Bob Simon
April 28, 2008 - 14:10 ET by allanfIs Bob Simon's skull so thick that no lessons penetrated from his time as a prisoner of the Iraqi's?
Correct me if I'm wrong about this . . .
April 28, 2008 - 14:12 ET by terrigWasn't Bob Simon a "hostage" during the First Gulf War? I'm sure he would have been pleased if Capt. "Killer" Omri would have shown up in his plane to have rescued him before the US got there?
What an idiot.
I'm truly at a loss for
April 28, 2008 - 14:16 ET by Free ThinkerI'm truly at a loss for words after reading that garbage.
Insane....
April 28, 2008 - 14:16 ET by Melodic_MetalYes, let's call the Air force pilot a KILLER. And what have they to say about the oxygen thieves who actually TARGET CIVILIANS? I can never think about this stuff too long. It's friggin maddening.
"To beat Violence, You must ignore the focus groups. You must send in the Mossad, turn off the BBC, CNN, and don't look back."
Long list.
April 28, 2008 - 14:19 ET by ScrapironAdd him to the long list of terrorists supporting reporters that will have to hide in a cave or keep sharp watch on their back after another terrorists attack occurs, and it will occur.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
SIMON: I have a friend
April 28, 2008 - 14:45 ET by BuxomAnnieMcGreggorSIMON: I have a friend over at ABC ... a Ms Vargas... and I believe she would ask you, "Why don't you disarm your missles before dropping them?" Wouldn't this send just as strong of a message and deter the violence coming out of the Gaza Strip?
OMRI: I'll answer that question with this question.... When you and your film crew go out to film a story, do you load up with plenty of film or tape before you shoot? MESHUGENEH!! By the way, you shmendrik...did your mommy buy that tie for you?
Heilige Scheiße! How do you turn this damned thing off? -J. Robert Oppenheimer
$50. rockets
April 28, 2008 - 15:12 ET by Mr. TerryIt is a logical consequence to the cheap rockets fired into Israeli territory. You fire on us without reason and we fire one right back down your tube! Israel has FDC and is defending itself from terrorists who want to melt the Jews from the map.
Why, why do the libs blame the wrong people? Maybe Jimmy Cahter can have some more tea with Hamas at the firing range and blame the poor Israeli children who got killed by their rockets.
“Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.” Thomas Jefferson
The show sucks
April 28, 2008 - 15:28 ET by ammo johnI was flipping the channels last night when I caught the "you don't look like a killer" part. I told my wife "This must be '60 Minutes', I betcha". Sure as heck I was right. I don't watch the show because of the Looney Left Libs that run the program.
Nobody "looks" like a killer
April 28, 2008 - 15:40 ET by CapitalismRulesThat's why they often CAN kill. What the heck kind of comment is that? Did Scott Peterson or the BTK killer "look" like killers? Can you imagine the crew of the Enola Gay returing to the U.S. and having anyone in the media say to them- geez guys, great job with the A-bomb thing, but man, I thought you would look like mindless zombies or fangs and claws or blood dripping from your mouth or something, I mean the way you nuked those Japs, you have to be "not-human" right? I swear the guy has no integrity.
my question
April 28, 2008 - 15:53 ET by JWFSimon,
You don't look like an arab apologist. When you eat arab propaganda for lunch, do you sprinkle it with paprika?
Bob--you don't look like an----
April 28, 2008 - 17:33 ET by misterbillShkedy: Bob--you don't look like an----***h**e, but you go out there every day and act like one.
In about another minute here, Shkedy is going to make you another civilian casualty. (I hope.)
all military are killers
April 28, 2008 - 18:15 ET by wizardjrIn the military we have just two tasks: blow stuff up, kill people. That's it.
The problem is that liberals and other elitists think you can just talk your way out of it. They kill a couple thousand Americans in New York, we negotiate. They blow up a school bus, we negotiate. Eventually our Frenchness will win them over. What a pardigm. Too bad it has never worked. Can you say Chamberlain, or Daladier (French Prime Minister), or any dozen other appeasers?
In the meantime, all us killers past, present, and future are all that stand against the darkness and allows fools like this the chance to insult real warriors.
wizard... You said it
April 28, 2008 - 18:23 ET by bigtimerwizard...
You said it all...
I thank you for your service.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Bob Simon's Dad
April 28, 2008 - 19:55 ET by geoff.galeI wonder what Bob Simon's dad did during WWII and/or the Korean War? Bob Simon was born in '41, so his dad was probably in the service during WWII. I wonder if he saw action? I wonder if he shot a weapon, or delivered bombs? I wonder if Bob Simon would say that stuff to his dad? Given that Bob Simon was imprisoned for 40 days by Saddam during Desert Storm and no doubt knows the rough end of international relations, I wonder why Bob Simon is such a putz?
To look at him, you wouldn't think he's a total flaming modern liberal idiot.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)
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comparing WWII to what's happening in the mid-east...
April 28, 2008 - 21:56 ET by abeautifulpersonshows you don't know much. try cracking a book or two:
here's a short list to start:
- the one percent doctrine - ron suskind
- overthrow - stephen kinzer
- confessions of an economic hitman - john perkins
- blowback - chalmers johnson
- nemesis - chalmers johnson
- This Way for the Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen - Tadeusz Borowski
Doesn't seem like very useful advice abperson
April 28, 2008 - 22:07 ET by Dee BunkReading those hasn't given you enough information to make a point. If they did you would make one.
Actually, abp, we are in the early stages of WW IV.
April 28, 2008 - 22:15 ET by R D HelmWhat is currently going on in the Middle East is merely but one theater of what is now a world-wide conflict, or have you not been paying attention?
The Islamo-supremecists are on the march, and are making gains almost daily. They have pretty much re-taken the areas of Europe they held prior to the Crusades, as Spain has already essentially surrendered. France, GB and Italy will be the next to capitulate. Germany might manage to hold out a little longer, but not very.
Most of Africa and Asia are pretty much toast, too.
Even your very own Canadian government is appeasing the Islamic horde by denying Canadian citizens their very freedom for daring to publicly criticize the "religion" of Islam.
I think Western society as a whole is in seriously deep dog-squeeze.
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
→ Come on, RD
April 28, 2008 - 22:23 ET by Cool ArrowNow that Rev. Wright has revealed to us that Jesus loves Islam, shouldn't we join Truthmonger and form our own Sharia government?
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Cool, yeah, I want to partner with the very people...
April 28, 2008 - 22:30 ET by R D Helm...who want to seperate my head from the rest of me.
Not in my lifetime.
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
→ OK RD
April 28, 2008 - 22:42 ET by Cool ArrowAnd if that happened to me, I'd be beside myself.
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You know what?
April 28, 2008 - 22:47 ET by BlondeI am about OVER this silly shiite on this site.
I've been rather scarce here lately, just because it's become so stupid....and this is a perfect representation of why.
Truthy's Islamorants....and everyone's kneejerk reactions.
There is sooooo much at stake...but we all thrash around here like a bunch of guppies.
If we allow these fakirs (Wright and his apologists) to take over the discussion....well.
A serious time, for serious people.
We are down to the brass tacks, here.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
→ Brass Tacks
April 28, 2008 - 23:09 ET by Cool ArrowOK, you're right.
But we can take any of three tacks on this brass boat.
Elect McCain who has no respect for the Laws of the United States. He'd just as soon sneak a bunch of Illegals into your house as look at you. But Conservatives already realize we're stuck with this sorry excuse for a Presidential candidate and have resigned ourselves to our pathetic plight.
Elect Hillary. And it's not all that repulsive an idea at this point. At least she isn't trying to shut out the truth from the campaign (ala McCain) every time she turns around.
Elect Barack (and this too has its upside) and be done with all this victicrat nonsense forever.
I don't see how getting suddenly serious is going to contribute a d*mned thing. Satire can be just as cutting as any of several floodlinks or monotone posts that are too long to pay attention to anyway.
I'm serious when I choose to be. It's not my forte. And it's not my mood at the moment.
I don't know what got switched out for milk in your post toasties today.
Did you suddenly forget how to spell lol?
Your attack is unfair and uncalled for.
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Cool
April 28, 2008 - 23:19 ET by BlondeI suppose I did forget how to spell LOL. Abject apologies.
But I am seriously, tired of all of the poor choices we all have.
I guess I am just a TAD bitter at not getting a rebate....and having to fund a couple for the rest of the great Americans who have their hands out.
Like that.
It pisses me off. I slave to make a good wage, but why on earth should I have to fund the idiots who get upside down on credit cards, mortgages, or anything else?
Guess what...I'm cancelling my $5,000 a year windstorm policy...I'm just going to let the fedrales take care of it when a hurricane rolls me.
I was borne at night...but not last night.
Don't you dare color me stupid....Ha!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Cancel Insurance?
April 28, 2008 - 23:23 ET by Cool ArrowHow can you do that?
I live at the bottom of tornado alley, but if my house got blown away the feds wouldn't step in.
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Well, Cool
April 28, 2008 - 23:30 ET by BlondeI live in "hurricane alley".....and as we all saw...
KATRINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, the idiots there got how many ever billions of dollars for being stupid, yes?
So, I'm figuring, why on earth should I pay $5 grand a year for windstorm insurance, when I can just act like a victim, be a dumbass, if you will....and have the feds re-roof my house, if it comes down to that.
Not that it will of course, the statistics are WAAAAAY against it. Not more than me surviving the rape squads in the SuperDome, mind you....
Get my drift now?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
→ I hear you Blonde
April 28, 2008 - 23:36 ET by Cool ArrowMakes sense, Blonde
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CA
April 28, 2008 - 23:46 ET by BlondeThere comes a point in time...when one must just go for it.
And I am there.
I am not going to get any "rebate"....too bad, so sad, Blonde EARNS too much $$. How many ways does that suck?
And, quite franky, how stupid do I look?
If the "Katrina victims" were hosed, why should I pay insane premiums for hurricane insurance? Which, quite frankly, I'll never get paid for anyway?
I've decided to go "bare".
It's kind of fun.....like taking a walk on the wild side....of insanity.
I'm beyond caring about it, tho....how funny is that?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
→ Perfect sense
April 28, 2008 - 23:55 ET by Cool ArrowI carry bare bones on my house and liability only on my autos.
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Saludos Blonde
April 29, 2008 - 01:09 ET by gfrrmanfor the astute comments above!!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
ROFL!I wonder if this is
April 28, 2008 - 22:47 ET by bigtimerRiled One...
...ROFL!
I wonder if this is where two heads are better than one comes in...
<edit>Now I am lol... I just want it noted that I was replying to Cool Arrow in this post above from me.. please notice the time if anybody cares....B and my posts came in at the exact same time...so please do not think this was meant anything different...other than humor...which is what we need around here more often now and then.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Here's a thought..stop
April 28, 2008 - 22:49 ET by mandrakeHere's a thought..stop trying to defend the entire 'free' world. China won't have to invade Canada..they'll simply buy it. It's called globalization/free market...
BTW..Good luck with getting a good price on water from them :-)
mandrake, If the US would just pass the Fair Tax...
April 28, 2008 - 22:58 ET by R D Helm...the $13 trillion that is currently being held off-shore due to my country's confiscatory 35% corporate tax rate, would soon come back to the US and create jobs in our country, instead of the other countries it is currently creating jobs in.
Like China, for instance.
If that happens, soon the Chinese would be ditching their cars as their country would be heading back to the economic crapper, and the demand for oil would drop sharply.
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
RD
April 28, 2008 - 23:01 ET by MightyMouthWould you PLEASE run for office? Any office?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM, I'm afraid I have way too many skeletons in my closet...
April 28, 2008 - 23:14 ET by R D Helm...er, warehouse, I mean. :-)
LOL-Crucified, I would be.
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
RD This Skeleton?
April 28, 2008 - 23:19 ET by Cool ArrowWould this skeleton be in your warehouse?
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Cool,
April 28, 2008 - 23:34 ET by R D HelmLMAO-That was funny!
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
OMG Cool...that is a must
April 28, 2008 - 23:47 ET by bigtimerOMG Cool...that is a must send...I am cracking up with laughter still...thank goodness for all of the people here that have humor....that is why I come here when anger gets me down with politics ect. at the end of the day at times...where everyone finds these ...I don't know but I thank goodness for it.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Ha!
April 28, 2008 - 23:22 ET by MightyMouthYou're just gonna have to go DemocRAT. No problems with Skeletons and closests and such. Actually better than a lapel flag pin!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM
April 28, 2008 - 23:32 ET by RESTLESS 1Fair tax and democratics = oil and water. Just won't mix.
I'm hearing that..
April 28, 2008 - 23:40 ET by MightyMouththat the commodties markets are driving the prices...
I thouth we had a free market and supply & demand set prices? Can anyone tell me how there is more demand for fuel when everyone is "green" and trying to conserv? Let's see, is Al Gore going broke, or getting richer?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Supply and demand set
April 28, 2008 - 23:59 ET by RESTLESS 1Supply and demand set prices, but when one part of the equation is manipulated (supply, by OPEC, and the lack of drilling here), then the equation is thrown out of whack.
However, that was not the point of my post.
→ But RESTLESS
April 29, 2008 - 00:02 ET by Cool ArrowIt is indeed, an excellent point.
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Cool
April 29, 2008 - 00:13 ET by RESTLESS 1It is a good point indeed, but I am still trying to figure out how my snarky post about how a dem running on a platform of lower taxes would never fly, turned into a supply and demand discussion.
I can see the irony of green lifestyles making the goracle richer off of higher demand for oil though.
MM, in the unlikely event someone tells me they are interested..
April 28, 2008 - 23:52 ET by R D Helm...in running for public office, I would tell them to run as a democrat.
I mean, if you are an elected dem, you can rape (literally), pillage and plunder your way along, and the MSM will pretty much leave you alone.
If you are an elected republican, you cannot so much as step on a crack in the sidewalk.
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
Yeah but RD...where does
April 29, 2008 - 00:03 ET by bigtimerYeah but RD...where does the word integrity come in?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt, I was being somewhat sarcastic.
April 29, 2008 - 00:10 ET by R D HelmAnd not just a little cynical.
But the reality holds. Elected dems, as long as they continue to carry the party-line, are held to a much lower standard that are elected republicans.
Sad state of affairs, if you ask me.
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
→ You forget bigtimer
April 29, 2008 - 00:13 ET by Cool ArrowYou forget that integrity is subjective to a Dem.
subjective adj. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world.
Haven't you seen the Stepford Wives coming out of the Eldorado compound.?
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A Beautiful Letdown (With all apologies to Switchfoot)
April 29, 2008 - 01:56 ET by geoff.galeBefore you get to schoolin' me, beaut, trying learning to read. There was no comparison made between WWII and the current Iraq war beyond the fact that they both involve killing, as do all wars. For those in the advanced class, which clearly doesn't include you, the point is that there are times in which everyday people are called upon to commit horrible acts.
Simon's premise of "you don't look like a killer" is laughable. All of us "look like killers". Assuming that you're human, and not some tired bot, I know that there is some circumstance, some situation in which the killer in you would emerge, so that means you look like a killer too.
Now, I know you're here just to tweak the locals, at least that's all your three other snarky little posts amount to. Since you like to mock the use of terms from the cold war era, try this one - take your agenda-driven agit-prop elsewhere.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)
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naw, i'll stick around.
April 29, 2008 - 11:57 ET by abeautifulpersonthe story was lame. i agree on that, but not for the reasons you think. there was no criticism if the IDF. the story was limp-wristed and pro-israel. no meat. liberal? i call it wank.
don't raise WWII when discussing what is going on in the mid-east unless you infer a comparison.
i guess in order to evolve beyond 'little posts' into "the advanced class" i should agree with your tripe.
naw. i'll stick around. and if the "advanced class" continues to be hypocritical with their "bust them not me" speel, someone needs to point it out. since there seems to be a lot of circle jerking going on around here.
"If you haven't beat 'em, keep fightin' em".
- ME
Just out of curiousity,
April 29, 2008 - 11:59 ET by BDJust out of curiousity, what was the thesis statement behind your previus posting?
Do you not desire the opinions of the historically minded?
naw, i'll stick around.
April 29, 2008 - 12:03 ET by R D HelmLike flies on flypaper. :-)
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
re: naw, I'll stick around
April 29, 2008 - 16:55 ET by geoff.galeThanks for the free advice on developing discussion points. I'll pay it the same heed that you pay to everyone who's commented back to you.
To get ahead in this forum, or any other forum for that matter, you might consider learning to construct cogent arguments based in logic, facts and discourse rather than just sniping at people.
Though I do understand that for your aims, sniping is just so much more gratifying.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)
www.conservativeboot...
So, abp, you are now conversing with yourself?
April 29, 2008 - 21:48 ET by R D HelmCheck the alignment of your post. It's a little off horizontally.
-Jezz tryin' ta hep. :-)
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008