Fmr CBS Anchor Roger Mudd: Dan Rather In ‘Front Row’ of Journalists

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By Kyle Drennen | April 24, 2008 - 17:07 ET

NewsBusters.org | Still Shot of Harry Smith and Roger Mudd, April 24 At the end of Thursday’s CBS "Early Show" co-host Harry Smith interviewed former CBS News anchor Roger Mudd about his new memoir, "The Place to Be: Washington, CBS and The Glory Days of Television News," and teased the upcoming interview by declaring: "And we're also joined this morning by one of the great legends of CBS News, Roger Mudd, who's covered every major story in Washington for decades and worked along some of the best reporters who ever lived." One of those "best reporters," Mudd later explained, was Dan Rather: "There was a front row, Harry. And in the front row was Dan Rather, Marvin Kalb, George Herman, Dan Schorr, Roger Mudd."

Mudd went on to describe Rather and his numerous other colleagues in these terms: "No, it was a -- it was just a great conjunction of very talented, very hard working, very honest, ethical men and women, linked up to 20 years of some of the greatest and most profound stories that could have happened." Of course after Rather’s controversial National Guard story about President Bush in 2004, based on forged documents, the terms "honest" and "ethical" do not exactly come to mind.

Near the end of the segment, Smith asked about Mudd’s famous interview with then Democratic presidential candidate Ted Kennedy in 1979 in which Mudd asked Kennedy why he was running for president. Mudd recalled to Smith: "And his answer was -- it wasn't incoherent, but it wasn't really coherent either. And I think the answer is, Harry, that he really hadn't thought very seriously about why he wanted to be. And that exposed a weakness. That interview was not helpful." Smith later commented that: "Wow and it ended his candidacy." However, that interview was in November 1979, just as Kennedy announced his candidacy and he did not drop out of the race until the Democratic convention in 1980.

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Here is the full transcript of the segment:

8:31AM TEASER:

HARRY SMITH: And we're also joined this morning by one of the great legends of CBS News, Roger Mudd, who's covered every major story in Washington for decades and worked along some of the best reporters who ever lived. He's written a memoir called "The Place to Be: Washington, CBS and The Glory Days of Television News" and he's going to tell us more about that in just a couple of minutes as well.

8:47AM SEGMENT:

HARRY SMITH: Throughout the 1960s and '70s, Roger Mudd covered most of the major stories in Washington for CBS News. In his memoir, "The Place to Be: Washington, CBS and The Glory Days of Television News," he recounts the history making stories he covered and the great journalists who were his colleagues. And Roger Mudd is with us this morning. Good to see you.

ROGER MUDD: Hi Harry.

SMITH: Been a while. Talk about that newsroom in Washington, D.C., that place that you worked every day for all those many years. What was it like?

MUDD: There was a front row, Harry. And in the front row was Dan Rather, Marvin Kalb, George Herman, Dan Schorr, Roger Mudd.

SMITH: Oh my gosh.

MUDD: But then there was also a back row. And the back row was Bob Schieffer, Fred Graham, Connie Chung, Lesley Stahl, Phil Jones, Bernard Kalb, then there was a third row. And Doug Kiker, Doug Kiker, who used to work for NBC, said once that if CBS's front row died in a plane crash and the back row was wiped out by diphtheria, he still couldn't get on the air. No, it was a -- it was just a great conjunction of very talented, very hard working, very honest, ethical men and women, linked up to 20 years of some of the greatest and most profound stories that could have happened. And it all came together in that -- in those two decades.

SMITH: In those times, you think of everything that was going on in the country, from civil rights in '60s all the way through Watergate and everything else. Is there a way to kind of describe what that experience was like? I mean, day to day to day, each story that was unfolding was bigger than the one before.

MUDD: You would wake up in the morning just wondering what had happened in the past 24 hours, particularly during Watergate, which was probably as close to a constitutional crisis as we've ever had. And The Washington Post owned that story for a long time. And you never knew when you went to bed, what they were going to spring on you the next morning.

SMITH: Right.

MUDD: It was not a good television story because it was so much off the record. But Dan Shore and Lesley Stahl kept us competitive and we -- we earned our stripes on Watergate.

SMITH: Right. I'm -- I'm thinking in my own memory of certain interviews that you did over the years, and the one that I will never forget and probably should be in every history book, is the one you did with Teddy Kennedy when he was running for president. You asked him 'why are you running?' And what did he say?

MUDD: Well, I had tried to find out the differences between him and Jimmy Carter. It's a big step for a Democratic Senator to try to unseat a sitting Democratic president. And I wanted to know simply why he wanted to be president. And his answer was -- it wasn't incoherent, but it wasn't really coherent either. And I think the answer is, Harry, that he really hadn't thought very seriously about why he wanted to be. And that exposed a weakness. That interview was not helpful.

SMITH: It's also in the way it was framed and the way it was shot, did you not have a conversation about 'we really want the cameras to be in on this?'

MUDD: The three of us before it began, as Howard Stringer, Andy Lack and I, decided that we should shoot it close up. And rather than 150 questions with answers that land ten seconds, we would do 12 questions, 15 questions and have the answer totally complete. So there was never any cause to accuse us of taking things out of context. And it made -- I must say it made just one hell of a broadcast.

SMITH: Wow and it ended his candidacy. Roger Mudd, the book is "The Place to Be." Thank you very much for coming by and sharing some stories with us.

MUDD: Thanks, Harry.

SMITH: Great to see you.

MUDD: Thank you.

SMITH: Alright. Let's get over to the other guys over there. Russ, Maggie.

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Wow.

RUSS MITCHELL: A true legend.

RODRIGUEZ: You could hear a pin drop here in the studio during that interview.

MITCHELL: Oh my gosh, can you imagine being in the Washington Bureau at that time?

RODRIGUEZ: I'm inviting Roger Mudd to my next dinner party. I want more stories.

DAVE PRICE: Those were the days before the internet where you woke up and you didn't know what happened unless you read the paper and watched the morning shows. It's amazing, great to hear about it.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.

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"very honest ... men and

"very honest ... men and women.."

 

Hoooo boy. In the words of Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

"There was a front row,

"There was a front row, Harry. And in the front row was Dan Rather, Marvin Kalb, George Herman, Dan Schorr, Roger Mudd."

So, he's their contemporary - big deal. This is nothing but self-congratulatory reminiscing and all it's saying is he's an old liberal like they all were - back when they got away with it - with no alternatives available. Liberal old dinosaurs all...

BTW, wasn't it Mudd who quit CBS in a snit when they promoted Rather over him to succeed Cronkite?

Spot On

In another thread (Tom Brokaw talking about earth day) I made the comparison to those dreadful retired athlete events that all the bigs sponsor. They drag out a bunch of old, out of shape goofballs who all miss the limelight and let them make fools of themselves. Then they sweep the spittle and Preparation H off the field and let the real pros play.

Mudd was always a hack. Too bad they didn't reminisce long enough to realise that the old days had much higher reporting standards. Standards went out the window during Watergate and never returned.


"All that is necessary for the trimuph of evil is that good men do nothing."

- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

www.conservativeboot...

Both Right...

that interview was in November 1979, just as Kennedy announced his candidacy and he did not drop out of the race until the Democratic convention in 1980.

True, Kennedy hung on until the covention.  But, his campaign is commonly accepted to have been derailed by two things - very early on.

One being the hostage crisis.  In the early days of the crisis, President Carter's approval ratings skyrocketed, as they would for any president in the beginnings of a crisis (i.e., President Bush's approval ratings right after 9/11).

The other thing that killed his campaign was, in fact, the Mudd interview.  It was a nationally seen interview.  Yes, it was just after his announcment... but, that start - combined with Carter's initial support in the beginings of the  hostage crisis - sealed Kennedy's fate.

 

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

Mudd's missed opportunity

Too bad Mudd wasn't around to ask Bill Clinton why he wanted to be president.  I always believed Bubba wanted the job and wanted to do something big so he'd be considered one of the best, but that he had very little idea what he wanted to do.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Good old days

I remember the good old days when they told us what the news was!

Dark Days

      DAVE PRICE: Those were the days before the internet where you woke up and you didn't know what happened unless you read the paper and watched the morning shows. It's amazing, great to hear about it.

   ah yes.... back in the day when just a few people in New York decided what the American people needed to know.

MidAmerica

Absolutely correct!

We all want more stories, Maggie. Real news stories.

You betcha - "wow," MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ, "I want more stories" also.

Reminded me of CNN's chief news executive, Jordan Eason's April 11, 2003 column in the NY Times, "The News We Keep to Ourselves."

In that piece Eason made reference to the great many horrors he and his fellow reporters had witnessed and had come to know of while stationed in Iraq over years, and how, because of both fear of life and limb, and fear of being kicked out of the country by Saddam, they kept so many of these horrors to themselves.

With the fall of Baghdad, he offered up:

I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me. Now that Saddam Hussein's regime is gone, I suspect we will hear many, many more gut-wrenching tales from Iraqis about the decades of torment. At last, these stories can be told freely.  

I "freely" expressed my view to Eason in the days that followed - that he "freely" and willingly put the effort together to make sure that CNN told the stories; in fact, I suggested to him that he lead CNN and other outlets into producing special reports in which to bring these stories to the public's attention. He jigged and jagged, saying that it would happen on it's own - didn't need any help.

Later, Jordan Eason was forced to resign, in disgrace, after making up stories and lying. He accused the US military of killing [intentially] and rounding up and torturing journalists.

The Front row...

Usually consists of goober nerds and suck ups....

You all went to Jr. High, right?

 

And to mention YOUR OWN NAME, Roger Mudd, in context of others you portend to admire as legends....bad taste, dude....bad...taste....

 

"All great change in America begins at the dinner table" Ronald Reagan, Jan 21, 1981

Stupid is as stupid does

Asking Mudd about Rather and his cronies is like asking ugly about Whoopi Goldberg. They just go together.