CBS’s Harry Smith Is Al Gore Jr.?

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At the beginning of the 8:30AM half hour of the CBS "Early Show," weatherman Dave Price did a brief story highlighting a melting ice shelf in Antarctica as an example of climate change and co-host Harry Smith used the opportunity to show off his global warming knowledge: "And they also talk about because as this disappears, this reflects light, alright? That's another huge issue because that ice reflects the light. It turns to water, which absorbs the light. That could be another exacerbating factor in global warming." Smith followed up by pointing to himself and declaring: "Al Gore Jr." Both Price and co-host Maggie Rodriguez replied "you are."

Given Smith’s known obsession with Al Gore, including trying to pin a ‘Gore‘08' campaign button on the former vice president during a interview in May of last year, this self-description was quite interesting. Price went on to joke: "You know, you spent a lot of time with him...The 'Inconvenient Anchor,' Harry's new book coming out."

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As for that melting ice shelf, Price noted that no tidal wave was coming any time soon, but still offered an ominous warning: "If this happens, will it make, again, the water levels go up? Not so with this piece because it was already floating, but in the event that land-based glaciers begin to really melt, you could be talking about a rise in water levels which could be catastrophic..."

Here is the full transcript of the segment:

7:31AM TEASER:

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Also, look at this. A giant chunk of an ice shelf in the Antarctic collapses. What may have caused the break coming up.

8:30AM SEGMENT:

DAVE PRICE: In the meantime, who wants to see something really interesting? You know, we're coming up on Earth Day as we head into the middle of April, and for anyone who says, you know, what affect does climate have on the Earth? --

SMITH: Right.

PRICE: What affect do high temperatures have on the Earth?

HARRY SMITH: Take a look at this --

PRICE: Look at the monitor everyone, I want to show you some video. A lot of people saying global warming, or at least higher temperatures, being blamed for this massive collapse of an ice shelf in Antarctica.

SMITH: This thing is how big? It's the size of --

PRICE: It's seven times the size of Manhattan.

RODRIGUEZ: Can you imagine?

PRICE: Now, if the rest of it goes, it's a chunk of ice the size of Connecticut. It's along the Wilkens Ice Shelf. It's been there for about 1,500 years, and now what their really surprised at is not only that it's melting, they anticipated that some of that would happen --

SMITH: Right.

PRICE: But how quickly --

RODRIGUEZ: How quickly --

PRICE: It is doing so.

SMITH: Right.

PRICE: Now, a lot of people may wonder, alright, well, if this happens, and there is where it is on our globe --

SMITH: Sure. Oh, huge.

PRICE: If this happens, will it make, again, the water levels go up? Not so with this piece because it was already floating, but in the event that land-based glaciers begin to really melt, you could be talking about a rise in water levels which could be catastrophic, so this is really -- look at this video.

SMITH: Right, right. And they also talk about because as this disappears, this reflects light, alright? That's another huge issue because that ice reflects the light. It turns to water, which absorbs the light. That could be another exacerbating factor in global warming.

PRICE: Right. And so we continue to watch that situation.

SMITH: Al Gore Jr.

PRICE: You are.

RODRIGUEZ: Yeah, you are.

PRICE: You know, you spent a lot of time with him.

RODRIGUEZ: But were you nominated?

PRICE: The 'Inconvenient Anchor,' Harry's new book coming out.

SMITH: There you go.

PRICE: But keep in mind, we're going to give you tips throughout the month of April on how you can do your own part to make sure our Earth stays healthy, and of course it'll culminate when we do a live report on -- as we head into Earth Day.

SMITH: There you go. Were you impressed by that, kids?

RODRIGUEZ: Yeah, yeah.

SMITH: Oh, yeah.

RODRIGUEZ: Hey, when are you entering the presidential race, Harry?

SMITH: Well, I don't know. There's a little time left.

RODRIGUEZ: We keep waiting.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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LOL with this news.... I

LOL with this news....

I say you may as well jump right in Harry...latest gossip in your party is algore may run yet, you could be his inconvenient running mate...that is if the world is still here and not flooded quite yet.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Harry cannot measure up to Gore's "science credentials"


Harry Smith, B.A. Communications and Theater
(no science degree)

Al Gore only has a B.A. in Government (no science degree)
The Education of Al Gore (The Washington Times)

"Mr. Gore's high school performance on the college board achievement tests in physics (488 out of 800 "terrible," St. Albans retired teacher and assistant headmaster John Davis told The Post) and chemistry (519 out of 800 "He didn't do too well in chemistry," Mr. Davis observed) suggests that Mr. Gore would have trouble with science for the rest of his life. At Harvard and Vanderbilt, Mr. Gore continued bumbling along.

As a Harvard sophomore, scholar Al "earned" a D in Natural Sciences 6 in a course presciently named "Man's Place in Nature." That was the year he evidently spent more time smoking cannabis than studying its place among other plants within the ecosystem. His senior year, Mr. Gore received a C+ in Natural Sciences 118.

At Vanderbilt divinity school, Mr. Gore took a course in theology and natural science. The assigned readings included the apocalyptic, and widely discredited "Limits to Growth," which formed much of the foundation for "Earth in the Balance." It is said that Mr. Gore failed to hand in his book report on time. Thus, his incomplete grade turned into an F, one of five Fs Mr. Gore received at divinity school, which may well be a worldwide record."

Al Gore Jr.? Keep dreaming Harry we all know who the real scientist is. 

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Hey

Hey PT....

ROFLMAO!

Excellent.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Harry

Do you think Harry understands that it is early Fall in the Antarctic. Temperatures rise there in the Summer and ice melts and warmer ocean currents cause chunks of ice to shear away.

When Winter comes it will be very cold in Antarctica. Ice sheets will grow.

Hey, hey, hey!

Just ease up there Dr. Einstein.

There's no need to get all technical with your fancy "weather cold=more ice", stuff. We're not all rocket scientists and ice specialists and whatnot!

We're just regular Joes who read dKos to know what to say, and chicken entrails to help us by the right lottery tickets.

What are you trying to do? Inject rational thought into Leftist Gobal Warming Doctrine?

Showoff.

Woah, Allanf, that talk of

Woah, Allanf, that talk of seasons and warmer ocean currents, that sounds like sorcery to me! :-)

There is also documented

There is also documented proof that these same ice shelfs collapse about every 500 years. Damn time travelling SUV's recking up the place.

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference.
The MARINES don't have that problem."
President Ronald Reagan - 1985

And futhermore...

During a recent decade, East Antarctica thickened at an average rate of about 1.8 centimetres per year while West Antarctica showed an overall thinning of 0.9 centimetres per year (Davis et al., Science 2005) DOI:10.1126/science.1110662.

Eastern Antarctica  ~ 10 million square kilometers

Western Antarctica < 2 million square kilometers

Anyone who wants to know where the world's fresh water is going now has the answer.  It's getting locked in the ice at the bottom of the world.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Chrome dome and GW

Well, the top of his head sure is reflecting some light there.. perhaps it will compensate for the water absorbing light.

geesh

 

 

Yep we're doomed?

One ice shelf may be calving is a sign of the world going to hell due to AGW.

The fact that..." The ice extent is already approaching the second highest level for extent since the measurements began by satellite in 1979 and just a few days into the Southern Hemisphere winter and 6 months ahead of the peak. " is meaningless.

How many ways can we lie?

Here and here.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Summer time

Last summer it was the Arctic Melting at an "Unnnnnnpresedennnted rate" and we were getting a daily bombardment how it was cause by GW. At the same time Antarctica was gaining ice.. but since it was winter not a word was said.

Now the Arctic as regain it's ice lost from the Summer melt and has surpassed the 1966 record ice mass ...not a word about it on the news.

The Antarctic continent is doing it's summer melt and of course any normal calving and melting is again at an Unnnnnnpresedennnted rate. On CNN today the commentator added : "Scientists are now studying how much all this floating ice will raise the water level"....:-(  Science challenged ?

....talk about a SOS comment! (Stuck On Stupid).

 

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Poor old Harry...

It's truly pathetic. Looking at old men like Harry Smith, Bob Schieffer, Larry King, et al, wearing their liberalism on their sleeves in a desperate attempt at remainig relevant to the young radicals in their midst.
One can't help feeling sorry for those poor old libs. Uh, maybe "one" can't...but I sure could. Ha!

Even creepier than it seems

This may be even creepier than it looks on the surface.  You see, former VP Al Gore really is Al Gore, Jr.  His son is Al the Third.  So does Harry so strongly identify with the Gorifice that he thinks he is Al Gore, Jr.?  Weird 

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Gore Jr

Isn't Al Gore Jr. non other than our Oscar Winning, Noble Prize Winning and Sainted former Vice-President.

DAMN IT...

nkvikng75,

 You beat me to it, but I wonder, would Al Whore 3 filibuster the civil rights act of 64 like Al Sr. did? I'm just curious...

 

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

I swear I read somehwere

I swear I read somehwere that one of the main reasons for this "melting" are the under water volcanos in the region. Global Warming my Arse. These GW Alarmists have their heads so far up their arse that you can smell the stink every time they open their mouths. If anyone was to light a match their heads would explode.

You mean? Like?  Or? It

You mean? Like?  Or?

It doesn't exist. Only AGW is real.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

The Antartic ice shelf grows

According to the PBS show Nova, the Antartic ice shelf grows at a rate of 40,000 square miles a day during winter. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/warnings/almanac.html

I do find that a little hard to believe but it does disprove the theory that global warmimg is causing the glaciers to melt. If that much ice is being added every day, the weight is going to push underlying ice outward causing huge chunks of ice to break off.

 

Antarctica ice shelves and glaciers could be growing...

but globally a net decrease in glacier length has been observed during the last century. You can't "disprove" GW by citing one case for a specific region.

Nor can you prove GW or

Nor can you prove GW or AGW by citing the relatively small collapse of one ice shelf, a naturally occurring process even in the absence of man, as proof.

Which brings us to the salient point.  The media has siezed upon this as an opportunity to quote a scientist, no doubt one of the alarmists, blaming this collapse on "Global Warming" without any rebuttal.

And glacier thickness has

And glacier thickness has increased. In reality, there is more ice, not less.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Nor can you prove AGW is

Nor can you prove AGW is real by citing some have shrunk. Been shrinking since the end of the LIA. And as they shrink they find all kinds of goodies under these glaciers that never shrank before. Goodies that can be C14 dated to the MWP.

"It will without doubt have come to your Lordship's knowledge that a considerable change of climate, inexplicable at present to us, must have taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the cold that has for centuries past enclosed the seas in the high northern latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been during the last two years, greatly abated.

(This) affords ample proof that new sources of warmth have been opened and give us leave to hope that the Arctic Seas may at this time be more accessible than they have been for centuries past, and that discoveries may now be made in them not only interesting to the advancement of science but also to the future intercourse of mankind and the commerce of distant nations."
President of the Royal Society, London, to the Admiralty, 20th November, 1817 [13]

Or.


The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway.
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Washington Post article on changes in the arctic has been found in the Monthly Weather Review for November 1922.

Source and source

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

re: danbo, bassndude, NL207

NL207: "Nor can you prove GW or AGW by citing the relatively small collapse of
one ice shelf, a naturally occurring process even in the absence of
man, as proof."

True. In addition, I also get annoyed when the media blames these kinds of events on global warming. However, I don't believe they have actually quoted a scientist; mis-quoted is more like it. The version of the story I read on cnn.com quoted a glaciologist, Ted Scambos, who said that these types of events will be more frequent with AGW occurring, which is way different than saying "this event is caused by global warming" (what cnn said). So, I agree... good example of irresponsible journalism.

bassndude: please provide a source for "And glacier thickness has increased. In reality, there is more ice, not less." and also specify whether you meant on a global scale.

danbo: "Nor can you prove AGW is real by citing some have shrunk"

Agreed, and I hope you didn't think I was implying this.

Even Scambos is out-of-line

Even Scambos is out-of-line here.  These events "will be more frequent with AGW occurring" is a bit disingenuous, because these events will also be more frequent if naturally forced global warming is occurring.  To the observer, both events will produce the same results.

I took a closer look...

at the actual press releases from the Snow and Ice place in Boulder:

http://nsidc.org/new...

and from the British Antarctic Survey:

http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/about_bas/news/press_releases.php

They don't actually refer to anthropogenic global warming, just global warming; my bad. I guess that means they weren't disengenuous, though.

Yes.  By referring only to

Yes.  By referring only to "GW"  they are making a statement of fact, a DUH! statement of fact. However, I think the great majority of the lay public do not know or distinguish the difference between "GW" and "AGW".   The net result is misinformation.  I think this is intentional misinformation.

Ice Shelves do not raise sea-level

From your source...

"The Wilkins disintegration won't raise sea level because it already floats in the ocean, and few glaciers flow into it."

I am sure this is the first time in history these things have happened and our ability to monitor it via high resolution satellite has nothing to do with it...

Antarctic Ice Shelf Retreats Happened Before (Science Daily)

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The Glaciers are Growing

Antarctica - Antarctic ice sheet thickening, researcher says (Associated Press)
Antarctica - Antarctic Sea Ice at Record High (The Reference Frame)
Antarctica - Antarctic Sea Ice Increases over Past Two Decades (Space.com)
Antarctica - Antarctic Temperatures Disagree With Climate Model Predictions (Science Daily)
Antarctica - East Antarctica's surface slowly rising (The New York Times)
Antarctica - Geologists Find That Tides Control Flow Of Antarctic Ice Streams (Science Daily)
Antarctica - Ice Core 'Dipstick' Indicates West Antarctic Ice Has Thinned Less Than Believed (Science Daily)
Antarctica - Ice 'thickens' in West Antarctica (BBC)
Antarctica - No Major Changes Seen In Stability Of Antarctic Ice Sheet (Science Daily)
Antarctica - Pondering A Climate Conundrum In Antarctica; Unique, Distinct Cooling Trend Discovered On Earth's Southernmost Continent (Science Daily)
Antarctica - Researchers: Antarctica Ice Sheet Stable (ABC News)
Antarctica - Researchers find Antarctic ice is thickening (USA Today)
Antarctica - Satellites Show Overall Increases In Antarctic Sea Ice Cover (NASA)
Antarctica - Scientists Detect Thickening Of West Antarctic Ice Sheet (Science Daily)
Antarctica - Scientists Rule Out One Threat Of Antarctic Collapse (Science Daily)
Antarctica - Snowfall-Driven Growth in East Antarctic Ice Sheet Mitigates Recent Sea-Level Rise (Science)
Antarctica - Study: Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Thickening, Not Thinning (ABC News)
Antarctica - Tidal Motion Influences Antarctic Ice Sheet (Science Daily)
Antarctica - The Antarctic Ice Sheet is Growing Thicker (Not by Fire but by Ice)

Glaciers - Fox Glacier, Fox Glacier has been advancing since 1985 (Alpine Guides)
Glaciers - Franz Josef Glacier, A Glacier Grows, Undeterred by Heated Kyoto Debate (CNSNews)
Glaciers - Glacier National Park, Science debunks Glacier Park warming alarm (The Heartland Institute)
Glaciers - Global warming boost to glaciers (BBC)
Glaciers - Himalayan Glaciers Are Growing ... and Confounding Global Warming Alarmists (The Heartland Institute)
Glaciers - Hubbard Glacier, Alaska: Growing and Advancing in Spite of Global Climate Change (USGS)
Glaciers - Icy Bay glaciers get up and go (SitNews)
Glaciers - Kilimanjaro's ice set to linger (BBC)
Glaciers - Kilimanjaro Glacier, The Woes Of Kilimanjaro: Don't Blame Global Warming (Science Daily)
Glaciers - McGinnis Glacier, Chance Discovery: Alaska Range Glacier Surges (Science Daily)
Glaciers - Melting glacier 'false alarm' (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Glaciers - Mont Blanc Glacier, Global warming makes Mont Blanc grow (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Glaciers - Mont Blanc Glaciers Refuse to Shrink? (World Climate Report)
Glaciers - Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow (CBS)
Glaciers - Mount St. Helens Glacier, At the crater’s rim, something ‘mind-bogglingly cool’ (The News Tribune)
Glaciers - Nigardsbreen Glacier is growing by 25 to 50 meters per year (Jostedal Glacier National Park)
Glaciers - Perito Moreno Glacier, The largest glacier in Argentina Advances Continuously (Los Glaciares National Park)
Glaciers - Permanent Ice Fields Are Resisting Global Warming (Science Daily)
Glaciers - Pio XI Glacier, The biggest glacier in South America keeps growing every year (Visit Chile)
Glaciers - Small Glaciers In Northern California Buck Global Warming Trend (Science Daily)
Glaciers - Study: Glacier melting can be variable (Breitbart)
Glaciers - Study Says Glaciers Formed During a Very Warm Period (The New York Times)
Glaciers - Warming Climate Can Support Glacial Ice: It Did In Much Warmer Times (Science Daily)

Greenland - ERS Altimeter Survey Shows Growth of Greenland Ice Sheet Interior (ESA - European Space Agency)
Greenland - Fossil DNA Proves Greenland Once Had Lush Forests; Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable (Science Daily)
Greenland - Greenland’s Glaciers Take a Breather (The New York Times)
Greenland - Greenland Ice Sheet Changes Are Normal; No Evidence Of Long-Term Climate Changes (Science Daily)
Greenland - Greenland Temperatures Coldest in 60 Years (The Heartland Institute)
Greenland - Is Greenland really melting? (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
Greenland - Latest Scientific Studies Refute Fears of Greenland Melt (US Senate Environment & Public Works Committee)
Greenland - Letter to the Editor: Greenland Ice Gain Since World War II (The Heartland Institute)
Greenland - Recent cooling in coastal southern Greenland and relation with the North Atlantic Oscillation (American Geophysical Union)
Greenland - Study Shows Greenland’s Ice Growing (CO2 Science)

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

Good examples...

Fine and dandy, but glaciers in Patagonia, the northwest US, southwest Canada, and Alaska have experienced especially large mass losses. The net result, even with glaciers in some areas growing, is a net decrease in glacial mass. Citing all the examples is fine, but is meaningless to me in the context of global warming unless you can cite something that discusses long term trends in the ENTIRE cryosphere.

Fine and dandy?

I think the point is that if Global Warming were actually true, we shouldn't see evidence of glaciers thickening or growing.

 

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Dispelling the Glacier propaganda

The public thinks every glacier on the planet is melting into puddles of water. This is pure propaganda, there is ample evidence of glaciers increasing and the reason the media never reports it is it would cause people to actually think rationally and not hysterically.

Glaciers increasing in size is VERY relevant to the discussion of global warming. Glaciers like polar bears are used for propaganda purposes.

The long term trends of the melting glaciers is that they have been doing that long before man-made CO2.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

"The long term trends of


"The long term trends of the melting glaciers is that they have been doing that long before man-made CO2."

Well, of course... Climate has never been in a steady state. Glaciers have grown and retreated over the geological record. What is your point? Is it that because climate has changed naturally in the past, it can't change anthropogenically in the future? I think even the "rational" skeptics would disagree with this...

BTW, nobody I know "thinks every glacier is melting into puddles". Also, I agree that glaciers increasing in size is, in face, relevant to global warming. It actually makes perfect sense that glaciers in some extremely cold regions like interior Antarctica and Greenland would grow in a warmer climate. The warmer temperatures, which are still well below freezing, allow more moisture to be present and for increasing amounts of snow to fall and build up the glaciers.

Long Term Glacial Melting not proof of AGW

Since AGW has not been proven via the scientific method and what has happened in the past is documented, the conclusions are obvious. Any rational skeptic would not believe in AGW since it has not remotely been proven scientifically.

My point is that the Glaciers the alarmists point to as "evidence" of AGW were melting long before these same alarmists claim man-made CO2 was causing the current warming thus their melting cannot be proof of AGW.

The average person who has only seen the propaganda movie "An Inconvenient Truth" believes ALL glaciers are melting and they started melting due to man - which is propaganda.

The glaciers I listed are all over the planet and not just in extreme cold regions.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

"My point is that the

"My point is that the Glaciers the alarmists point to as 'evidence' of
AGW were melting long before these same alarmists claim man-made CO2
was causing the current warming thus their melting cannot be proof of
AGW."

This is not a valid point. Anthropogenic processes could have simply accelerated natural processes that were already occurring. This makes sense given that temperatures were slowly climbing during the 1800s as climate shifted away from the "little ice age".

 

Funny

how alGore and Co. leave this time period out of the equation....when the U.S. hit  a milestone in manufacturing in this country and automobiles(which polluted decidely more than they do now) were introduced as a means of mass transportation.  I guess we need to leave that out of the equation.  Hmmmm...

So Obvious

So now the argument is that man is "accelerating" the natural melting of glaciers? So man is now not responsible for them melting? Melting glaciers is still not evidence of AGW when the melting started after the LIA.

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Co2

The co2 levelof the early 1800s when the auto was invented and the big surge of manufacturing in the U.S. SHOULD have a HUGE spike in levels.....but it's not there, it's FLAT!!!  AlGore and his cult refuse to address  this issue!!!  Again, glaciers melt then calve, get bigger then calve.  It's the "nature " of nature.  Damn is that really that hard to comprehend?  Apparently it is....

meteor79, heres the problem in one word: SOOT


Cooking fires
are increasing world wide; they produse soot BLACK CARBON that drift onto the white snow. The sun shines on the blackened snow causing melting.

More nuk power planets will reduce this soot.

 

<wake up>SAVVVE The Whales N' Earth; conserve N' recycle !

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