On Monday’s CBS "Early Show," a total of over 13 minutes of coverage was given to the controversy involving comments of Barack Obama’s pastor, Jeremiah Wright, but only 16 seconds was given to play video of Wright’s comments, video which did not include some of the Reverend’s most shocking comments that September 11 was caused by U.S. foreign policy or that the AIDS virus was part of a government plot against the black community.
The coverage began with a report from CBS correspondent Dean Reynolds, who suggested the media was paying too much attention to the story: "For days now the news media have recycled Reverend Wright's sermons or at least their most inflammatory parts." That was followed by a relatively mild 3 second clip of Wright declaring: "Not God bless America! God damn America!" Reynolds went on to explain that: "Obama has denounced that and other anti-American statements, though the Senator says he never heard such comments before from the man who was his spiritual mentor." Reynolds never mentioned what those other "anti-American statements" were.
The conclusion to Reynolds’ report seemed to say Wright’s comments were normal and reflective of most black churches. An idea that set the tone for the rest of the coverage:
The question is whether the rhetoric is so remarkable, because at African-American churches pastors often seek to rouse their congregants to self-reliance by speaking harshly of the country's troubled racial past and the need to overcome it...Now, the church leaders over the weekend here put out a statement saying that Jeremiah Wright was a victim of character assassination. And the clear concern at the Obama campaign is that the candidate has been victimized as well.
Following the report by Reynold’s, co-host Russ Mitchell interviewed Reverend Calvin Butts about the controversy:
MITCHELL: When it comes to the African-American church, how surprised should people be when they hear a pastor from the pulpit giving a controversial statement using such strong language?
BUTTS: Well, the strength of the language, of course, is questionable. However, the prophetic tradition of the African-American church has been such that we have had to criticize the nation that we love so dearly in order to win our human and civil rights. We've had to speak harshly about the injustices to draw people's attention to the real problems that we've had to face. The shock value is nothing new. The prophets used it in ancient Israel. The Disciples used it -- Jesus called the Pharisees 'white sepulchers,' 'white-washed tombs.' So, the shock rhetoric is not unusual in pulpits, black or white, but certainly in the black community because people have to have the point driven home, and they have to have made vivid. And sometimes the language can be awfully powerful.
Mitchell never asked specifically about any of Wright’s "strong language" and at the end of the interview Mitchell asked Butts:
MITCHELL: Black congregants are reluctant, are they not, to criticize their pastor in public, even if the pastor says something as strong, as controversial, as what Reverend Wright says?
BUTTS: That's right. I'm very surprised at any congregant who would denounce his or her pastor.
MITCHELL: Why is that?
BUTTS: Well, because people love their pastors, and in the churches they understand the rhetoric. See, you shouldn't look at this as if people just walk into church and the pastor says something shocking and they immediately run to it. They understand what is, you know, radical rhetoric and what is the practical application of the love of God to everybody.
Later in the 8:30 half hour, both Mitchell and co-host Maggie Rodriguez had a roundtable discussion with Mother Jones Columnist, Debra Dickerson, Bucknell University professor James Peterson, and Columbia University professor, Randall Balmer. Mitchell teased the discussion by wondering: "Will the situation have a lasting impact on Obama's campaign? Or has it been blown out of proportion?"
Prior to the roundtable, another two brief clips of video of Wright’s comments were played, for a total of only 13 seconds: "Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people!..Not Bod bless America, God damn America!" Again, Wright’s other comments were missing.
Rodriguez actually did question how much Obama knew about Wright’s comments:
DICKERSON: And I -- it's not that it's wrong or it's right, it's just that black religiosity is such a given and yet there's sort of a 'Joe sent me' aspect, you know, where you knock on the door and things that are said in the church that are common knowledge, people who are pretending to be shocked by this sort of thing.
RODRIGUEZ: Well, Barack Obama is pretending to be shocked. He says he's never heard this before. Do you think he's pretending?
DICKERSON: Yes. He's -- I think he's surprised because the things that get said in church tend not to, you know, sort of what happens in church stays in church. And we've never been called on the carpet before. We've never been at -- you know what it is, it was a vestige of racism. Nobody cared what we were saying in our churches unless it had sort of popular resonance, you know, when we were in the civil rights movement and that sort of thing. But the regular day-to-day Sunday sermons, this is not unusual.
Mitchell then turned to Peterson and asked:
MITCHELL: Well James, let me ask you, did Reverend Wright, in your mind, cross the line there by making some of the statements that he made?
JAMES PETERSON: I don't think so. I think we need to understand that the pulpit is like a rhetorical space. And so, If we put that back into its context and saw the sermon develop over time, I think we might have a different take on it now. And when you pull certain comments out, it seems very sensational. But, I would agree that the black church is a kind of a bastion of sort of segregated culture, and there's a way in which we just are not having access to that. But what the Reverend is saying fits into a certain kind of context. And I'm not defending it or not defending it, I'm just saying that we're pulling it out of its rhetorical context. The pulpit is someplace from which we have to persuade people. And sometimes, whether it's a black persuasion or a white persuasion, those words are going to be very, very strong, very, very powerful and their designed to incite, designed to make us have the kind of conversations that we're having right now.
Rodriguez then asked Balmer if Obama was "guilty" by his close association with Wirght. Balmer responded by saying no and finding a way to turn the discussion to President Bush’s religion:
I don't think so. I -- I mean, I've been attending church for the better part of 53years. If I believed everything every minister ever told me, I'd probably be in analysis for the next 20 years. I mean that's just not a fair thing. And I think we're asking the wrong questions. The real questions should be to all of the candidates, how does your religious faith affect your policies, affect the way you govern. For example, eight years ago when George W. Bush declared that Jesus was his favorite philosopher, suppose somebody had followed up with a question 'Governor Bush, your favorite philosopher calls on his followers to be peace makers and turn the other cheek, how will that affect your foreign policy in the event of, say, an attack on the United States? Or how does Jesus' sentiment about expressing concern for the tiniest sparrow affect your environmental policies?' Those are real questions.
Here are the full transcripts of both segments:
7:01AM TEASER:
RUSS MITCHELL: Also going to examine the controversial remarks of Barack Obama's former pastor. Will his words have a lasting impact on Obama's campaign? We will speak with the Reverend Calvin Butts, one of the most influential ministers in the nation about the impact of words from behind the pulpit.
7:11AM TEASER:
MITCHELL: Up next this Monday morning, the controversial remarks of Barack Obama's former pastor. Will his words have a lasting impact on Obama's campaign?
7:14AM SEGMENT:
RUSS MITCHELL: Senator Barack Obama may have severed his relationship with the controversial pastor of his church, but could it come too late to stop the political fallout? CBS News Correspondent Dean Reynolds is in Chicago this morning. Dean, good morning.
DEAN REYNOLDS: Good morning, Russ. Well, the big question today is whether Obama and his church can quickly put this issue to rest. At the Trinity United Church of Christ, congregants were given a word of advice from the pulpit on Palm Sunday.
OTIS MOSS: We would encourage you no interviews. No interviews.
REYNOLDS: No interviews regarding their former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and the most famous worshiper, Barack Obama, who spoke out about the controversy this weekend.
BARACK OBAMA: The forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again. Everybody, you know, senses that there's been this shift. You know, you've been seeing it in the reporting.
REYNOLDS: For days now the news media have recycled Reverend Wright's sermons or at least their most inflammatory parts.
JEREMIAH WRIGHT: Not God bless America! God damn America!
REYNOLDS: Obama has denounced that and other anti-American statements, though the Senator says he never heard such comments before from the man who was his spiritual mentor. The question is whether the rhetoric is so remarkable, because at African-American churches pastors often seek to rouse their congregants to self-reliance by speaking harshly of the country's troubled racial past and the need to overcome it. Dr. Dwight Hopkins has attended this church for 12 years.
DWIGHT HOPKINS: To attack Reverend Wright is also to attack the history of the black church.
REYNOLDS: Now, the church leaders over the weekend here put out a statement saying that Jeremiah Wright was a victim of character assassination. And the clear concern at the Obama campaign is that the candidate has been victimized as well. Russ.
MITCHELL: Dean Reynolds in Chicago, thank you very much. So how much do a pastor's words resonate with the community? Joining us is the Reverend Calvin Butts, the pastor of New York City's influential Abyssinian Baptist Church. Reverend good morning to you.
CALVIN BUTTS: Good morning Russ.
MITCHELL: You've known Reverend Wright for more than 30 years.
BUTTS: Very close.
MITCHELL: When it comes to the African-American church, how surprised should people be when they hear a pastor from the pulpit giving a controversial statement using such strong language?
BUTTS: Well, the strength of the language, of course, is questionable. However, the prophetic tradition of the African-American church has been such that we have had to criticize the nation that we love so dearly in order to win our human and civil rights. We've had to speak harshly about the injustices to draw people's attention to the real problems that we've had to face. The shock value is nothing new. The prophets used it in ancient Israel. The Disciples used it -- Jesus called the Pharisees 'white sepulchers,' 'white-washed tombs.' So, the shock rhetoric is not unusual in pulpits, black or white, but certainly in the black community because people have to have the point driven home, and they have to have made vivid. And sometimes the language can be awfully powerful.
MITCHELL: Reverend Butts, give us a quick history lesson. In the African-American church, where did this begin?
BUTTS: Well, it probably began when we had to start our own churches. We're not the black church because we want to be. We're the black church because we've had to be. Abyssinian Church celebrates 200 years this year. We were born out of racial segregation. We were asked out of the First Baptist Church on Goal Street. And so we formed a church where all people could worship together. But we had to direct our attention to racial segregation. One of our pastors was Adam Clayton Powell Jr. who loved this nation, represented it in the House of Representatives, but had to often be critical of the nation in order to draw people's attention to some of its atrocities.
MITCHELL: When people heard -- hear Reverend Wright speaking on YouTube or on television, they hear the congregants applauding. Is it fair to assume that everyone in the congregation walks out of that church agreeing with what the pastor says?
BUTTS: Absolutely not. We have thinking people in our congregations, people who know how to discern between the very fiery and forceful rhetoric and the actual application in life. I don't know the full context of Reverend Wright's sermons, but -- all of them, but I do know that all of us have used strong language from time to time in order to drive home a point. It's in the prophetic tradition. It's not unusual to the black church either. I mean, it's used in churches. It's used in synagogues. It's used in mosques. It is the sacred rhetoric. And it is often forceful. It is often powerful. It is often condemnatory. I mean, in the Bible they call the great civil civilization of Babylon, pardon the expression, a whore.
MITCHELL: I've got about 30 seconds left. Very strong there. But in this era of YouTube, in the era of political correctness, in the sensitive political times we live in, do you think that black pastors should dial back, just a bit, at this point in history?
BUTTS: We should never dial back. We should always move forward. Martin Luther King Jr. said the judgment of God is on America. But one of the things we have to be sensitive to is that we are living in a smaller and smaller world. This is a global village. And we must be sensitive to all that's around us. America is not what it was. It's not what it's going to be. And we must always be sure to lift up the great nation, encourage it even in the midst of our criticism.
MITCHELL: Black congregants are reluctant, are they not, to criticize their pastor in public, even if the pastor says something as strong, as controversial, as what Reverend Wright says?
BUTTS: That's right. I'm very surprised at any congregant who would denounce his or her pastor.
MITCHELL: Why is that?
BUTTS: Well, because people love their pastors, and in the churches they understand the rhetoric. See, you shouldn't look at this as if people just walk into church and the pastor says something shocking and they immediately run to it. They understand what is, you know, radical rhetoric and what is the practical application of the love of God to everybody.
MITCHELL: Reverend Calvin Butts as always it's great to see you.
BUTTS: Thank you, God bless.
MITCHELL: Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
7:30AM TEASER:
RUSS MITCHELL: In our next hour, the conflict over Barack Obama and the controversial words of his former minister. Will the situation have a lasting impact on Obama's campaign? Or has it been blown out of proportion? We're going to have a roundtable discussion.
8:33AM SEGMENT:
RUSS MITCHELL: Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama is facing fallout for some controversial statements made by his longtime spiritual adviser, Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
JEREMIAH WRIGHT: Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people!
BARACK OBAMA: You heard some statements from my former pastor that were incendiary and that I completely reject.
WRIGHT: Not God bless America, God damn America!
OBAMA: If all I knew was those statements that I saw on television, I would be shocked.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Well, I'm a big Barack Obama supporter. It's hard for me to believe that this might be the first time that he ever heard this sort of -- these sort of words.
OBAMA: Don't tell me words don't matter.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I'm voting for Obama. It would absolutely have no impact on me.
OBAMA: When people say things like my former pastor said, you know, you have to speak out forcefully against them.
A.R. BERNARD: In terms of Obama distancing himself from Reverend Wright, I think that is a decision that he had to make if he wants to be president.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN B: Those words that were said were part of a sermon. I would accept them as that, as part of a sermon, but it would not be an indication of my own view.
OBAMA: What I continue to believe in is that this country wants to move beyond these kinds of divisions.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN B: I think we ought to be talking about the facts, what are they going to do for this country?
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN C: They're making a big deal out of anything anybody says on the campaign trail, whether it's Hillary or whoever.
MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Joining us now to talk about this, Debra Dickerson, columnist for Mother Jones and professor of journalism at the State University of New York at Albany. Dr. James Peterson, professor of English and African-American studies at Bucknell University and Randall Balmer, professor of American religious history at Columbia University and also the author of "God in the White House: How Faith Shaped the Presidency from John F. Kennedy to George W. Bush. Good morning to the three of you.
JAMES PETERSON: Good morning.
MITCHELL: Thanks for coming in.
RODRIGUEZ: Do you think, Debra, that it is right that this has gotten so much attention?
DEBRA DICKERSON: I think it's -- the only strange thing is that it's taken so long for these comments -- what's being said in black churches to get -- for people to start to actually listen to them. And I -- it's not that it's wrong or it's right, it's just that black religiosity is such a given and yet there's sort of a 'Joe sent me' aspect, you know, where you knock on the door and things that are said in the church that are common knowledge, people who are pretending to be shocked by this sort of thing.
RODRIGUEZ: Well, Barack Obama is pretending to be shocked. He says he's never heard this before. Do you think he's pretending?
DICKERSON: Yes. He's -- I think he's surprised because the things that get said in church tend not to, you know, sort of what happens in church stays in church. And we've never been called on the carpet before. We've never been at -- you know what it is, it was a vestige of racism. Nobody cared what we were saying in our churches unless it had sort of popular resonance, you know, when we were in the civil rights movement and that sort of thing. But the regular day-to-day Sunday sermons, this is not unusual.
MITCHELL: Well James, let me ask you, did Reverend Wright, in your mind, cross the line there by making some of the statements that he made?
JAMES PETERSON: I don't think so. I think we need to understand that the pulpit is like a rhetorical space. And so, If we put that back into its context and saw the sermon develop over time, I think we might have a different take on it now. And when you pull certain comments out, it seems very sensational. But, I would agree that the black church is a kind of a bastion of sort of segregated culture, and there's a way in which we just are not having access to that. But what the Reverend is saying fits into a certain kind of context. And I'm not defending it or not defending it, I'm just saying that we're pulling it out of its rhetorical context. The pulpit is someplace from which we have to persuade people. And sometimes, whether it's a black persuasion or a white persuasion, those words are going to be very, very strong, very, very powerful and their designed to incite, designed to make us have the kind of conversations that we're having right now.
RODRIGUEZ: Now, Barack Obama has rejected these words and distanced himself from the Reverend, but is he guilty, in your opinion, by association? This is someone he's been close to for 20 years, married him, baptized both of his daughters.
RANDALL BALMER: I don't think so. I -- I mean, I've been attending church for the better part of 53years. If I believed everything every minister ever told me, I'd probably be in analysis for the next 20 years. I mean that's just not a fair thing. And I think we're asking the wrong questions. The real questions should be to all of the candidates, how does your religious faith affect your policies, affect the way you govern. For example, eight years ago when George W. Bush declared that Jesus was his favorite philosopher, suppose somebody had followed up with a question 'Governor Bush, your favorite philosopher calls on his followers to be peace makers and turn the other cheek, how will that affect your foreign policy in the event of, say, an attack on the United States? Or how does Jesus' sentiment about expressing concern for the tiniest sparrow affect your environmental policies?' Those are real questions.
PETERSON: And that's how -- that's how Reverend Wright has affected Obama is that his rhetoric is about transcending those racial lines discourses. And so it has had an impact on him. I think -- the impact is he wants to move beyond that. His whole campaign has been about that.
MITCHELL: Let me ask you this, because I just talked to Reverend Calvin Butts about this morning -- Reverend Butts, let me ask you as well. Do you expect black pastors to dial back a little bit in this era of YouTube, in this politically-charged era that we live in?
DICKERSON: I think that's going to happen. If you remember there was a minister in D.C. a few years back, who said some of things he'd been saying for a long time about homosexuals, and The Advocate or the local D.C. gay paper picked up on it, and he was surprised there was this kind of backlash. The things he was saying were really out there, but his congregation was clapping and applauding. I think now that ministers who want to be -- who are political, are going to have to do some thinking about how they're going to present themselves because it's not an echo -- it's not an amen corner anymore. People are paying attention. Now we're being taken seriously. And I do think that ministers will and should think about if they really, really mean what they're saying and maybe what they need to do is up the level. 'Okay, I say this in anger, but maybe I need to step back and say this in a more responsible way' because you can hear things in church every Sunday in a black church.
PETERSON: That are crazy.
DICKERSON: They're off the hook.
PETERSON: But I mean we have to keep those things in their proper context. I mean, the sermon is designed to persuade. I mean, that's what it's supposed to do. And also designed to incite, to exhort.
DICKERSON: It's cathartic, it's a place of catharsis, where somebody goes in and is very, very forceful and says things in a way that are maybe, you know, are hyperbolic because there was no penalty for that anymore. It was an amen corner. But now I think that people are going to have to say -- do I -- and maybe he'll keep saying it. Maybe Pastor Wright will keep saying it.
PETERSON: I think he will. I don't think Pastor Wright's going to change at all.
MITCHELL: Debra Dickerson, James Peterson, Randall Balmer, thanks a lot for coming in.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
















Comments Policy
CBS might suggest Rev. Wright receive Nobel Peace Prize
March 17, 2008 - 15:36 ET by Gary HallCBS might as well reach out and suggest that Rev. Wright receive the Nobel Peace Prize. After all, Wangari Maathai, the first African woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize claimed HIV was deliberately created as an "agent for biological war."
Will McCain Ask Conservatives To Forgive and Forget?
March 18, 2008 - 12:58 ET by zeestephenI can't help but notice McCain's silence on this issue.
How long before he asks Conservatives to move on?
How long before McCain attacks Conservatives who continue to make Black Liberation Theology a political issue?
Also interesting, after one week of Spitzer, Ferraro, and Pastor Wright, John McCain still trails in most national polls to both Hillary and Obama.
The GOP is toast in 2008.
zee
March 18, 2008 - 13:02 ET by candanceMcCain weighed in on the issue by saying we shouldn't judge anyone for the company they keep.
candance,
March 18, 2008 - 21:52 ET by R D HelmMcCain never fails to let me down.
Just when I sort of, kind of, maybe, possibly might consider changing my mind about voting for this man somewhere down the road, he manages to cause me stand pat.
Apparently, he thinks all those "moderates" who voted for him in the primaries are going to be there for him in November, as long as he doesn't offend them along the way. He is wrong.
If this is how he intends to run his campaign when it counts, he is toast.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
R D....
March 18, 2008 - 22:00 ET by BlondeReconsider....
If not McCain....Hillary or the Barak (so sorry for the racist spiritual guide).
It's not good.
But it's all better than the alternative.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, I know.
March 18, 2008 - 22:18 ET by R D HelmBut I am still hoping McCain blows it somehow between now and the convention.
By now, his unwillingness to really go after his opponents has got to be causing concern among not just conservatives (who we know it is), but among many center-right republicans, as well.
IF this is how he is going to run in the big one, Hillary is going to mop the floor with him. Seriously.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
RD
March 18, 2008 - 22:31 ET by Cool ArrowMcCain may get to walk across the stage without a fight.
Hillary is toast, and Obama is a bigot.
♣ a seal
Cool,
March 18, 2008 - 22:45 ET by R D HelmTrue, but I still have fears of the near-term damage McCain will do to the party.
He's more liberal than Bush, IMHO, and just look at the damage he has done to not just the party, but the conservative movement in general.
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RD
March 18, 2008 - 22:52 ET by Cool ArrowI hear you RD. That Casper the Ghost dirtbag won't say a word on immigration now that he's got it wrapped.
♣ a seal
Cool,
March 18, 2008 - 23:03 ET by R D HelmLOL-So, who is older? Casper or McCain?
-Sorry.
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RD... "McCain never fails
March 18, 2008 - 22:31 ET by Clear thinkerRD...
"McCain never fails to let me down."
Just think, 4 years of this..... sigh!
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct,
March 18, 2008 - 22:48 ET by R D HelmWell, if it is McCain (and I'm still praying he will fall out between now and September), let's hope it is only four years. :-)
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I heard McCain early when
March 18, 2008 - 18:50 ET by usinkoreaI heard McCain early when the story broke, and he ran cover for Obama. Hopefully, he has learned more about the situation and changed his mind.
If he hasn't, somebody needs to kick him in the head.
Controversial comments?
March 17, 2008 - 15:44 ET by motherbeltControversial comments? What controversial comments?
All Rev. Wright does is preach a social gospel on behalf of oppressed women, children and men in America and around the globe.
And it's all about the practical application of the love of God to everybody.
You have a problem with that?
<sarc off>
As for Obama's "denunciation" of Wright's rhetoric...that will just be along the lines of a Democrat who "takes full responsibility" for any disaster, be it Waco or the Elian Gonzales mess.... it's easy to "take responsibility" when your life goes on as before, without consequences. Obama will "denounce" Wright's rhetoric but their relationship won't change, and he will still go to that church, and all will be like before; except that Obama will declare the case now "closed" and "old news."
The MSM continues to launder
March 17, 2008 - 15:46 ET by Chris NormanThe MSM continues to launder Reverend Wright.
...Chris... Yep, we are
March 17, 2008 - 15:49 ET by bigtimer...Chris...
Yep, we are still in the gentle cycle, haven't even got to the sit and spin cycle yet...long way to go the msm does...and will do.
BT, sit and spin? That
March 17, 2008 - 15:57 ET by bassndudeBT, sit and spin? That sounds almost profane. Fun, but profane:-)
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
LOL bass... I should of
March 17, 2008 - 16:08 ET by bigtimerLOL bass...
I should of said set, soak and spin.
Ahhh heck, it'll all come out in the wash.
It's quite a service the
March 17, 2008 - 16:14 ET by Chris NormanBT, It's quite a service the media offers Obama. He really doesn't have to do much of anything, just sit back and let his MSM courtiers handle it. I do see on Drudge that he's supposed to be offering "a major speech" on race relations tomorrow. As if what he says now, in reaction and damage control to the controversy, undoes the twenty years he attended that Church of Bile and Hate...
Chris... Yeah, I'm
March 17, 2008 - 16:21 ET by bigtimerChris...
Yeah, I'm waiting with such anticipation to hear the spin Obama is going to spiel tomorrow.
NOT...but of course I will watch it.
Msm will be at the ready...Matthews will get another tingle up his leg....no matter what he says the lemmings will praise it.
or a tinkle down his leg.
March 17, 2008 - 17:08 ET by Chris Normanor a tinkle down his leg. Yeah, Obama will say, in essence, "Forget the fact I attended that church for twenty years, here's what I have to say about race relations going forward - now that it's been exposed...".
Chris, and Obama will have a well-rehearsed script to work from
March 17, 2008 - 17:38 ET by R D Helm-as he doen't seem to do very well on the fly.
His TV appearences on Friday were pretty clumsy affairs. The "messiah" was not very convincing in any of them, even the one with Anderson Cooper.
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RD, I saw Obama's
March 17, 2008 - 18:08 ET by Chris NormanRD,
I saw Obama's interview on FoxNews the other night. He's not so impressive sitting in the hot seat as when he's gliding through a campaign event, microphone in hand, preaching to his devout followers.
That's for sure, Chris. He
March 17, 2008 - 18:36 ET by motherbeltThat's for sure, Chris. He did a lot of stumbling in that interview....not quite the silver-tongued guy when those non-prepared questions come at him. Not long ago, he cut a press conference short and walked away.
Obama announcing his speech:
March 17, 2008 - 19:19 ET by kgObama announcing his speech: "I,I,I,I,I will,...I,I I I,I...will talk about that tomorrow"
Does he stutter without a teleprompter?
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
These are not the Droids you're looking for . . .
March 17, 2008 - 15:57 ET by JayTeeI think the Bias and attempt to Wrap this up in a neat MSM package is reflected by the words they said below....
"I mean that's just not a fair thing. And I think we're asking the wrong questions."
Well, I didn't think Mitt Romeny needed to make a Special purporse Speech about his Religion early on in his campaign, but Romeny did because "religion was an Issue" .....replace BLACK Church with MORMON Church in this "expose'" and you've got FRONT PAGE stuff....and this is Front page stuff, It's just not MSM stuff.
And no one can FIND where the GD preacher went to....he's dropped off the face of the Earth.
Right, apparently the
March 17, 2008 - 16:07 ET by motherbeltRight, apparently the questions they should be asking are, like Chris Wallace, (paraphrasing)
Why does the Clinton campaign keep playing this kind of racial politics?
Or maybe
Why do so many whites have a problem with the "emotional" character of black churches?
Or how about:
Isn't asking black churches to be like traditional white Christian churches racist? Aren't we supposed to be a "diverse" society??
Everybody else is doing it...
March 17, 2008 - 16:00 ET by Mr. TerryMy mom used to ask me, "Just because everyone else is doing it does that make it ok for you to do it?"
Peterson: "The question is whether the rhetoric is so remarkable, because at African-American churches pastors often seek to rouse their congregants to self-reliance by speaking harshly of the country's troubled racial past and the need to overcome it..."
It does not make it right to use a church pulpit to preach politics and harsh racial rhetoric just because that is what all the other black churches are doing. Furthermore, when Peterson said he doesn't think the right reverend crossed the line is simply dishonest.
It is also an outright lie when obama claims he didn't know about these positions which his "pastor" held after supposedly sitting in the congregation for 20 years! Obama either didn't attend his church as he claims he did and is lying about his attendance or he is lying about not being there. He wants it both ways.
“A nation that cannot secure its borders is not a nation.” Ronald Reagan
I love this kind of lame
March 17, 2008 - 21:06 ET by ckc1227I love this kind of lame defense, lol. I don"t think saying that this isn"t a big deal because it goes on all the time in black churches is going to sit very well with white America. Frankly, I hope they stick with this lame defense.
CBS
March 17, 2008 - 16:00 ET by R D HelmCovering for Barry's Subterfuge.
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What did Trent Lott say
March 17, 2008 - 16:28 ET by usinkoreaWhat did Trent Lott say about Strom Thurmond?
How did the media react?
What happened to Lott?
Where is he now?
The media never ceases to amaze....
Damage Control
March 17, 2008 - 16:34 ET by DanoThe MSM is locked into Damage Control.
I bet their not far from
March 17, 2008 - 16:50 ET by usinkoreaI bet their not far from suicidal on this.....talk about backing the wrong horse....
No Mention of Most
March 17, 2008 - 17:10 ET by mattmNo Mention of Most Controversial Comments - that's because they are gutless pukes.
The gutless MSM, and gutless politicians on both sides of the aisle, have to take part of the blame for the prominence of such demagogues in the Black community. They are so afraid of being tagged with the "racist" label that they allow certain self-appointed Black "leaders" to get away with the most outrageous stuff.
And the result is that years and years of unchallenged outrageousness has developed into commonly accepted knowledge. No wonder 90% of Blacks vote Democrat - they believe the GOP is a racist party...maybe this fiasco will blow the lid on that lie...and about time too...(if it happens)
I'm just saying...
March 17, 2008 - 17:28 ET by RackieThe Trinity United Church of Christ and The Church of Scientology must shake their nuts out of the same tree.
I have absolutely no respect
March 17, 2008 - 19:16 ET by mostlymoderateI have absolutely no respect for Democrats as a group now. These morons discounted Clinton in favor of a complete "mystery man". Nobody knew/knows anything about B. Hussein Obama and yet they still wanted to place him into the most powerful office in the World.
Now, the Democrats basically have a candidate that is a definite loser when he competes with McCain. My assumption is that Obama has many more secrets that will soon come out to shock us.
What a wonderful time to be alive
March 17, 2008 - 19:38 ET by nwahsWhen the Soviet Union collapsed, I remember wondering aloud, "what a wonderful time to be alive." I recalled the beginning of Solidarity in Poland, the election of John Paul II, and the way the puzzle completed before our eyes, culminating with the fall of the Berlin Wall and sight of Yeltsin standing defiantly on a tank. People forget the part that the Soviet Union's propaganda press played in the cold war. I believe we are getting close in this country to rebelling against our own propaganda press. I think it too will unfold right before our eyes. Again, what a wonderful time to be alive. It really seems dishonesty never triumphs!
Speaking of respect
March 17, 2008 - 20:06 ET by needleWhat you are noticing – in an indirect manner – is the measure of respect that the Democrats have for the United States Presidency. As an institution of and for respectable and equitable governance: (Fill in whatever vulgar expletive crosses your mind)! As a means to press their social agenda upon the rest of the country whether they like it or not, well, Bro, that is what it is all about! For them one of the most important jobs of the president is to appoint judges who can corrupt our country with impunity. Actual defense of the country? Who needs it? This got going in the 60's and has become just worse and worse ever since.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Juan Williams
March 17, 2008 - 20:48 ET by U.S.S. NixonIf you wanna see a real report but a real media person check out Juan Williams on the O'Reilly tonight.. He really killed it and hit the situation perfectly
Nixon
March 17, 2008 - 20:58 ET by Cool ArrowJuan Williams has been hitting it out of the park since this story broke. He hasn't been afraid to show understanding of the double standard being flaunted.
What gets me is the likes of Donna Brazile saying this is moderate stuff coming from the pulpit. I think maybe we're seeing a huge contributing factor to violence in America. It's condoned by the religious leaders.
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"Condoned" may be an overstatement Cool,
March 18, 2008 - 05:27 ET by Jer"Condoned" may be an overstatement Cool, but I wouldn't argue the fact that there are religious and political leaders in the African-American community, professors in our universities, and black spokespersons througout society who are abetting, consciously and unconsciously, a simmering rage and social unrest. They are primed to pounce upon the most trivial word or innocuous act as evidence of broad discrimination, so that they can "waive the bloody shirt" and take to the streets to rekindle the glory days of the civil rights movement.
Having grown up in a segregated, Jim Crow South, I have witnessed the overarching tragic consequences of racism at close range. And I have read enough about this long sad chapter of American history to realize that many of the current pathologies afflicting blacks are still rooted in those historical realities. We should be reminded from time to time of those past injustices.
But, we have reached a point where it is time to stop dwelling on the awful mistakes of the past, and begin celebrating the incredible progress which has been achieved over the past several decades...to stop turning over every rock or combing through every intemperate phrase, playing the 'gotcha game' in order to prove the essential evil of white people, or the venality of the government. It is time to begin building bridges instead of burning them.
I think Obama may be one who can lead the nation in that direction. He has condemned the words of Reverend Wright...and rightfully so.
Jer
On that we will disagree,
March 19, 2008 - 09:44 ET by dscottOn that we will disagree, IMO, nursing a grudge for past offenses will never allow anyone to move on. That's what the simmering rage is based upon. The onus is upon the black community and individually. On the contrary, it's long past time to burn down the bridges to the past and leave them behind. What is done is done and nothing will ever bring back the dead. As long as politicians continue to pander to this idea of past offenses and the fallacy of making up for the past Blacks will remain victims of their own unwillingness to move on. Rev. Wright is the epitomy of this thinking, Obama gave validation to it while attempting to walk away from Wright's bigoted speech.
Here's a hint to what I'm talking about, go to the suburbs of Altanta, who lives in those nice homes? Whenever, a Black family rises in economic status they move out of the neighborhood leaving behind the crime and desparation. Sometimes, but not always, the answer is to get out of the pit in order to walk on the level ground. The other part requires a change of attitude. As long as a person has the "you owe me" attitude, they admit by having this attitude they are unwilling to embrace change themselves. Democrats can campaign on "Change" all they want, reshuffling the chairs on the deck of the Titantic only changes the view of the cold sea water, it does not put you in the lifeboat.
I specifically blame Democrats for the plight of intractible black poverty, as they by their pandering to victimization and hand outs locked those people into poverty. Worse yet, they supported illegal immigration thus further putting blacks at a disadvantage. No one ever rose in economic status by receiving hand outs, they only did so by 1. attitude/determination, 2. playing by the rules of success, 3. educating themselves. 4. family. You were warned by Daniel Moynahan 40 years ago about the results of welfare/entitlement, only the Repubs and Conservatives listened, you liberals not only wouldn't even listen to your own, you treated him as though he were a red hair step child. The bottom line is you liberals held down blacks all the while profiting (power) off their misery with feel good programs that did more harm than good. As Moynahan said, "you are not entitled to you're own facts."
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
dscott...I'm not sure where
March 19, 2008 - 10:01 ET by Jerdscott...I'm not sure where your disagreement with my views lies. If it's my ending comment about Obama, I understand. If it's other areas of my post, I guess I need you to be more specific.
Your opening statement about "nursing past grudges will never allow anyone to move on" is essentially the same thing I asserted.
I appreciate your reply, however. I agree with much of it.
Jer
It is time to begin
March 19, 2008 - 10:15 ET by motherbeltIt is time to begin building bridges instead of burning them.
I think Obama may be one who can lead the nation in that direction. -Jer
I disagree. I don't think saying that whites who don't "understand" where black anger comes from will "widen the chasm that exists between the races."
Where is his admonition to the black community to "get over" the Jim Crow laws, and the segregated schools of the 50's; and to stop buying the line that the government deliberately infected the black community with AIDS, etc. and make a decision to move forward from here?
Juan "Uncle Tom" Williams...?
March 17, 2008 - 21:05 ET by MightyMouthYou know it's coming... Juan ain't "black enough..."
Poor Juan, he's gonna take some sh*t for this!!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
»→ Juan Williams
March 18, 2008 - 02:20 ET by Cool ArrowJuan Williams stands against the hatred. Chicken Little Obama just wishes all this would go away.
"Stanzas on Freedom's" last two lines describe a man afraid to stand against what he knows is wrong.
They are slaves who fear to speak
For the fallen and the weak;
They are slaves who will not choose
Hatred, scoffing, and abuse,
Rather than in silence shrink
From the truth they needs must think;
They are slaves who dare not be
In the right with two or three.
by James Russell Lowell (1819-1891)
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Juan ain't "black
March 18, 2008 - 06:56 ET by Jack BauerWhich is kinda odd, because have you seen the Reverend Wright? He looks whiter than me. And I'm pretty white.
Juan Williams really is the crazy uncle when it comes to his lefty political opinions.
But he's ALWAYS come across to me as a really nice guy who you'd could buy a drink at a bar and have a civilized chat.
He mentioned on BOR last night that he's already being attacked by fellow "black" friends for his forthright condemnations of Wright. And yeah, it's about him being a traitor to his race.
Disgusting stuff. Isn't that what the KKK says about whites who don't believe their crazy seperatist talk. Traitors to the race?
have you seen the Reverend
March 18, 2008 - 07:30 ET by motherbeltJuan ain't "black enough..." have you seen the Reverend Wright? He looks whiter than me. And I'm pretty white. -Jack Bauer
Jack, Jack, Jack......you're forgetting: being black isn't a color, being "black" means having a certain set of political beliefs.....that's why Clarence Thomas isn't an "authentic" black, even though he's pretty dark!
And every once in a while, Juan steps over that line, into agreeing with something a conservative says, or says something that doesn't fit the "it's all whitey's fault!" template.
Aside: I just checked out that "Obama got a white mama" video, and it's hilarious....he says (paraphrasing) Obama got a white mama....and this is not racist, y'all, praise the Lord....
So that's how you get away with calling a political diatribe "preaching"...you throw in a "praise the Lord" from time to time!
It's quite entertaining
March 17, 2008 - 20:57 ET by MidAmericaIt's quite entertaining to watch the democrats tear the party apart over race and now we get to see another example of why the black community is held back.... by the lies of it's own black leaders.
How did the MSM get a hold
March 17, 2008 - 22:01 ET by dscottHow did the MSM get a hold of those tapes???? Would that be a Clinton operative? Anyone have the info. on this question???? Sounds like another Clinton political black ops to me in order to distract from the bigger scandal regarding the Clintons.
Clinton still has one major skeleton which is beginning to surface, that being her operatives/super delegates for Florida and Michigan having engineered the disqualification of the primary voters by their insistance in defying Party rules. They knew full well there would be consequences to their actions and don’t tell me they didn’t consult with the Dem party leadership as they were changing the primary dates. The skeleton is Clinton’s supporters deliberately disenfranchised Florida and Michigan voters and created the 24 hour campaigning loophole so Clinton would be greeted with open arms to anyone who paid attention to them, thus winning their votes. The Clintons had this all planned from the beginning to clinch the nomination.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
My understanding is that sermons were achived on website.
March 17, 2008 - 22:10 ET by PawpawNMy understanding is that sermons were achived on website. You know anything you say or do is on the net somewhere nowadays. So as my dear departed mother always told us 3 boys, "Y'all be careful what ya say or do 'cause it'll come home to roost on ya!" Kinda similiar to the Right Rev Wright's wrong words!
PawpawN
March 17, 2008 - 22:16 ET by R D HelmI also read somewhere that the "church" was selling DVD's of Wright's sermons.
Not smart.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Believe you're right
March 17, 2008 - 22:20 ET by PawpawNThink I saw also that they sold copies of the sermons on DVD, etc. I know our 300 to 400 member church audio tapes whole service for homebound, etc. Didn't someone say that BHO had been receiving his sermons even while in school, etc?
VOLUNTARY Recall of DVDs
March 17, 2008 - 22:22 ET by PawpawNThis just in: The Church of Rev Wright is having a massive recall of DVDs as it appears someone has put material on them that is not really the Rev, but a body double!!
Will Obama use the speech to tie up loose ends?
March 17, 2008 - 22:25 ET by nwahsIf Obama has received taped sermons, his speech might be to tie up loose ends. He did say he just became aware of controversial remarks. There are things that could really end his campaign if its proven he is lying.
There are things that
March 18, 2008 - 09:48 ET by dscottThere are things that could really end his campaign if its proven he is lying.
Uhm, last time I checked lying was a prerequisite of being a Democrat, so how does lying hurt any Dem let alone Obama. Assertions and exaggagerations are just sales talk or literary license to get the message out and motivate people. It's just words, they don't mean anything. As my ex would say when confronted with all her false allegations, it's just lawyer talk. Both Obama and Clinton are lawyers you know. <sarcasm>
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
How did they know to wade
March 18, 2008 - 15:07 ET by dscottHow did they know to wade through all the sermons to get the quotes????? Listening to hours of sermons is so far beyond the patience and understanding of the normal journalist that it begs the question: Who ratted out Rev Wright? Surely not a true believer?
I submit the following, the Clintons, namely Bill, started the race baiting a couple of months ago in order to tie Obama into knots over the race issue in order to make Obama far more contraversial than the Clintons. Ferraro floats the race balloon again and it got popped. So here we now are once again talking about race with Rev. Wright. Seems to be a consistent coincidental theme, a little too coincidental to me. The third time's a charm????
It was the Clintons who stood the most to gain by splitting the Dem party primary vote over racial issues given there are far fewer Blacks than Whites, Asians and Hispanics. Look at the demographics of the voting, which candidate gained the most by introducing race? Clinton or Obama? You all know the answer.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
There's a pattern forming here...
March 18, 2008 - 00:12 ET by PrairieSkyFirst, there is Obama's apparent inability to be able to bring himself to wear a flag pin...then we have his militant wife and her expression of how she had never been proud of her country until she saw the support her husband was receiving in this race...now, we have this racist, anti-American, and anti-semitic minister that Obama has chosen to closely associate himself with for the last 20 years. A pattern appears to be forming, folks. Whether or not Obama was in the pews when Wright said these abominable things, is irrelevant. What is relevant, is that he has not seen fit to do or say anything about it until now when these comments and attitudes are front page news. I don't care if Obama wasn't present at the services where these disgusting things were said...I don't for one minute believe (and neither would anyone with a brain stem), that he has been unaware of these vitriolic comments. If this were true, then why did Obama uninvite Wright from appearing and speaking at the launching of his campaign? Obama reportedly told Wright that his sermons could be "...a little rough..." He knew then, at the very least, the kind of bile that this despicable man was capable of spewing. I don't for one minute buy the weak explanations that we have heard from Obama so far. If he finds these comments so inexcusable and unacceptable as he now says he does, then Obama should have confronted Wright about them long ago, and should have quit this church then, or at least should have distanced himself from it and Wright. The fact that he didn't do either of these things, is to me, a tacit endorsement of Wright and his sentiments.
As a Republican, there was never any chance that I would ever have voted for Obama in any situation, but I did have an appreciation of what he had accomplished by getting so many people excited and involved in the process. However, as these increasingly troubling issues continue to be revealed, and given the ideas and people that he has chosen to surround himself with (including his wife), my first thought about Obama, that there was more to this guy than we know or are allowed to see, seems to have been right. Plainly put, I don't trust him.