On Sunday’s CBS "60 Minutes," anchor Steve Kroft interviewed Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, along with a small group of Ohio Democratic voters who, as Kroft explained: "told us that both race and gender would be hidden factors in southern Ohio, that many blue collar workers here won't vote for a woman, and others would never vote for a black." Kroft went on to focus on Obama: "And Senator Obama has another problem: a malicious campaign against him that surfaced in a number of our interviews."
This "malicious campaign" as Kroft sees it is the suggestion by some that Obama is a Muslim. Kroft was shocked to find this belief from one of the voters he talked to, Kenny Schoenholtz, who said:
I'm leaning towards Obama. There's a couple issues with him I'm not too clear on...Well, I'm hearing he doesn't even know the national anthem. He wouldn't use the Holy Bible. He's got his own beliefs, with the Muslim beliefs. And couple of issues that bothers me at heart.
Kroft was concerned that this one misinformed voter, who said he would probably vote for Obama anyway, was reflective of broader smear against the Illinois Senator:
Story Continues Below Ad ↓KROFT: One of the things that we found in southern Ohio -- not widespread, but something that popped up on our radar screen all the time, people talking about it, this idea that you're a Muslim.
OBAMA: Right. Did you correct them, Steve?
KROFT: I did correct them.
OBAMA: There you go.
KROFT: Where's it coming from?
OBAMA: You know, this has been a systematic e-mail smear campaign that's been going on since, actually very early in this campaign. Clearly, it's a deliberate effort by some group, or somebody, to generate this rumor. I have never been a Muslim, am not a Muslim. These e-mails are obviously not just offensive to me, somebody who's a devout Christian who's been going to the same church for the last 20 years, but it's also offensive to Muslims because it plays into, obviously, a certain fear-mongering there.
Kroft then aggressively questioned Senator Clinton on the issue:
KROFT: You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?
CLINTON: Of course not. I mean, that's -- you know, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.
KROFT: And you said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim.
CLINTON: Right. Right.
KROFT: You don't believe that he's a Muslim or implying? Right.
CLINTON: No. No. Why would I? There's no, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know.
KROFT: It's just scurrilous...
CLINTON: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time.
Beyond clarifying that Barack Obama is not a Muslim, Kroft also painted a dire economic picture in Ohio, declaring that:
In the eight years that George Bush has been president, Ohio has lost more than 200,000 manufacturing jobs, and the state's median income has fallen by nearly 10 percent. It's being felt in the small cities that dot the Ohio landscape, and could very well decide the primary. Places like Chillicothe, a town of 22,000 people, an hour south of Columbus.
Later, Kroft explained that usual life of luxury for most Midwesterners was gone:
KROFT: Used to be that almost everybody in Ohio and the Midwest took a vacation to Florida, the west coast of Florida in the wintertime, and bought a new Chevy or a Ford or Chrysler every other year.
MIKE THRONE: The one that I have has 175,000 miles on it.
KROFT: Anybody take a vacation to Florida in the wintertime?
SCHOENHOLTZ: No.
JOHN ISON: I haven't taken a vacation in five years.
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
STEVE KROFT: On Tuesday, the Democrats will hold primaries in two big states, Texas and Ohio. The latter has long been a bellwether of American politics. No one has won the presidency without winning Ohio since John F. Kennedy did it nearly 50 years ago. If the Democrats had carried the state in the last two presidential elections, they would have won the White House. This week, Ohio voters will play a big part in determining who the Democratic nominee will be in 2008, and perhaps whether Hillary Clinton can keep her candidacy alive. We talked with Senator Clinton and Senator Barack Obama as we followed their campaigns in Ohio this past week. I know your husband has said and other people have said you've got to win these two states to stay in the race. Do you agree with that?
HILLARY CLINTON: Well, I intend to. I intend to do everything I can to win them. And we're doing well.
KROFT: Do you like your chances of winning one of the two big primaries that are next Tuesday?
BARACK OBAMA: I think we've got a good shot.
KROFT: There is no better place to find out than Ohio. It's the heartland of America, one of the big states in the middle of the country that has always grown the food and made the things that America needs, from auto parts, to soap and shampoo, to hamburgers. It stretches from the Great Lakes to the Ohio River, from Appalachia to the Plains of the Middle West. If Ohio were a country, it would have the 25th largest economy in the world, just behind the Netherlands. But today it reflects the problems and the challenges facing the United States and its middle class, in a world that's rapidly changing.
OBAMA: We are going to have trade agreements that make sense, not just for Wall Street, but for Main Street.
CLINTON: China's steel comes here, and our jobs go there.
KROFT: From Youngstown and Cleveland to Akron and Dayton, Obama and Clinton have crisscrossed a state that could put one of them in the White House. In the eight years that George Bush has been president, Ohio has lost more than 200,000 manufacturing jobs, and the state's median income has fallen by nearly 10 percent. It's being felt in the small cities that dot the Ohio landscape, and could very well decide the primary. Places like Chillicothe, a town of 22,000 people, an hour south of Columbus.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: It is coming up on 8:00 here at 1490, WBEX Chillicothe.
KROFT: Chillicothe is a political microcosm of the state of Ohio. In the past two presidential elections, the voting patterns here have been virtually identical to the statewide results. George Bush and John Kerry campaigned for president here. So did Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon, Harry Truman, and Teddy Roosevelt.
KROFT: One reason may be that the politics here are unpredictable. Chillicothe has more independents than Republicans and Democrats combined, and all of them are eligible to vote on Tuesday. Is this town a mirror of Ohio?
STEVE MADRU: Actually, I think it's the mirror of not only Ohio but the whole country. You know, you have...
KROFT: Steve Madru is the Democratic chairman of Ross County.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: So you're definitely voting on March 4th...
KROFT: And every evening he turns his real estate office in Chillicothe into the campaign headquarters for Senator Clinton.
WOMAN: The numbers are looking good.
KROFT: My sense of it is that a lot of the party establishment, a lot of the party machinery is behind Hillary.
MADRU: Yes, pretty much. I think it's, you know, Ted Strickland, our governor, is behind Hillary, and, you know, he's done such a great job in Ohio, and he's friends with the Clintons. And a lot of us have kind of followed along with the governor.
KROFT: A month ago, that organizational support had given Senator Clinton a 20 point lead in Ohio. But much of it has evaporated with 11 straight defeats, and the rise of a dedicated corps of Obama supporters who have been canvassing neighborhoods and taking their own informal street corner surveys by gauging how many people honk at their campaign signs. So you assume that people honking are people that like you?
UNIDENTIFIED MAN B: Well, when they give you a thumbs up, they like you. When they give you the finger, it's a thumbs down. So I'm pretty sure those are international symbols.
KROFT: Over the past eight years, there's been good cause for obscene gestures. Thompson Electronics packed up its plant and moved more than 500 jobs to China. And there have been layoffs at the Kenworth Truck factory and the Glatfelter Paper company, two of the town's biggest employers. Another paper plant, NewPage, is closing its facility by the end of the year.
KENNY SCHOENHOLTZ: Big change for our country.
KROFT: One of the people losing his job is Kenny Schoenholtz, who we invited to join a small cross-section of Chillicothe residents to talk about politics and the town's problems. Do you know what you're going to do?
SCHOENHOLTZ: I have no clue. Not at this time. Paper making is all I've knowed for 27 years. That's what my dad did for 41 years, and it's been my way of life. But I'll find something. I'll do something.
KROFT: What about health insurance?
SCHOENHOLTZ: That's another huge part in my life. I have a sick wife, MS, and I'm facing some huge expenses.
KROFT: But if you had to go out and buy private health insurance, could you afford it?
SCHOENHOLTZ: No, I couldn't afford it.
JOHN ISON: How they're going to fix that, I don't know.
KROFT: John Ison worked most of his adult life at the Thompson plant until it moved to China. He spent two years retraining himself in information technology and wound up with a lower-paying job at a local health care center.
ISON: The job that I'm working now, I make still a third less than what I was making for the last three years at my previous job.
KROFT: Anybody here better off now than they were four years ago? Ten years ago?
ISON: Four years ago?
JEFF ALLEN: Absolutely not.
ISON: I'm making my base pay now is what I was making in '91.
KROFT: Mike Throne has been the editor of the local newspaper for the past 10 years and has seen a lot of things change. Used to be that almost everybody in Ohio and the Midwest took a vacation to Florida, the west coast of Florida in the wintertime, and bought a new Chevy or a Ford or Chrysler every other year.
MIKE THRONE: The one that I have has 175,000 miles on it.
KROFT: Anybody take a vacation to Florida in the wintertime?
SCHOENHOLTZ: No.
ISON: I haven't taken a vacation in five years.
KROFT: We found them almost evenly divided on how they plan to vote on Tuesday. College student Katie Tuttle and Jeff Allen, a local union official, like Obama.
ALLEN: I'm leaning towards Barack. You know, they talk about the experience of Obama and I -- that's one of his shortcomings, is he doesn't have a lot of experience. But I think there's a lot of upside there.
KROFT: John Ison and City Councilwoman Queen Lester plan to vote for Hillary, partly out of nostalgia.
QUEEN LESTER: Her husband had the economy in much better shape when he was president than what we have today. So if he's an adviser in that area, I think we will do great.
KROFT: Both Clinton and Obama want to renegotiate NAFTA, give tax breaks to the middle class, and take them away from companies that send jobs overseas. But John Blind, a vice president at the Glatfelter Paper Company, one of the last big employers in Chillicothe that pays $20 an hour with full benefits, says that's not going to be enough to reverse the tide. What are your problems, specifically, with foreign competition in the paper business?
JOHN BLIND: They're paying their employees about one-fortieth of what we pay our employees. They do not have environmental regulations to deal with.
KROFT: How could the next president change that?
BLIND: It's going to take some courage to deal with this. I really believe so.
KROFT: And what unpopular decisions do you think need to be made?
BLIND: I think there needs to be some form of tariff to level that playing field.
KROFT: When we caught a few minutes with each of the Democratic candidates earlier in the week, we asked them about what John Blind had to say on tariffs, which are taxes placed on imports to make American products more competitive. His complaint about you, and his complaint about Senator Obama, both of you, is that you're sort of nibbling around the edges of trying to make improvements when to do all the things that you're talking about, there needs to be stronger action, bolder action, a more protectionist policy, tariffs.
CLINTON: We have to have a time-out on trade, which is what I've said I would do as president. We need to step back and say, 'Look, during the 19th century, we had tariffs when we were growing our economy. During the 20th century, open markets were to our advantage, because we were by far more productive.' Well, now we've got a new set of problems. I'm all for trade, but I don't want to be a patsy.
OBAMA: I don't think we can draw a moat around our economy. But what we do have to say is, 'We're going to drive a tough bargain. If you want access to our markets, you're going to have to open up yours.' Now, is that going to solve all our problems? No. But it's a good place to start.
KROFT: Senator Clinton said, you know, people forget that there have been certain times in our histories where we've had a much more protectionist policy, and it may be time for us to sit down and re-evaluate that situation again.
OBAMA: Mm-hmm. The problem with a time-out is the rest of the world's not taking a time out. I don't think we should be afraid of competition with the world. I think what we have to do is to be smart about competition in the world.
KROFT: But trade and jobs are not going to be the only issues for some voters in Tuesday's primary and in November. In Chillicothe, people told us that both race and gender would be hidden factors in southern Ohio, that many blue collar workers here won't vote for a woman, and others would never vote for a black. And Senator Obama has another problem: a malicious campaign against him that surfaced in a number of our interviews. Who are you going to vote for?
SCHOENHOLTZ: I'm leaning towards Obama. There's a couple issues with him I'm not too clear on.
KROFT: Which issues?
SCHOENHOLTZ: Well, I'm hearing he doesn't even know the national anthem. He wouldn't use the Holy Bible. He's got his own beliefs, with the Muslim beliefs. And couple of issues that bothers me at heart.
KROFT: You know that's not true.
SCHOENHOLTZ: No? I'm just -- this is what I've been told.
KROFT: One of the things that we found in southern Ohio -- not widespread, but something that popped up on our radar screen all the time, people talking about it, this idea that you're a Muslim.
OBAMA: Right. Did you correct them, Steve?
KROFT: I did correct them.
OBAMA: There you go.
KROFT: Where's it coming from?
OBAMA: You know, this has been a systematic e-mail smear campaign that's been going on since, actually very early in this campaign. Clearly, it's a deliberate effort by some group, or somebody, to generate this rumor. I have never been a Muslim, am not a Muslim. These e-mails are obviously not just offensive to me, somebody who's a devout Christian who's been going to the same church for the last 20 years, but it's also offensive to Muslims because it plays into, obviously, a certain fear-mongering there.
KROFT: It happened again last week when this photo of Obama, in ceremonial African tribal dress during a visit to Kenya, was featured prominently on the Internet and attributed to people in the Clinton campaign. Senator Clinton disavowed any knowledge of it. You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?
CLINTON: Of course not. I mean, that's -- you know, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.
KROFT: And you said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim.
CLINTON: Right. Right.
KROFT: You don't believe that he's a Muslim or implying? Right.
CLINTON: No. No. Why would I? There's no, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know.
KROFT: It's just scurrilous...
CLINTON: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time.
KROFT: Her big leads in Ohio and Texas are both gone now, but she still has a chance of ending her losing streak and winning both states. There are a lot of people that think even if she manages to win both states by a small margin, and there's no difference in the delegates, that it's most likely impossible for her to catch you.
OBAMA: That's true.
KROFT: Is there a point where you say, `It's not in the interest of the party to continue this?'
CLINTON: No. No. You know, I am going to win, and I am going to go on.
KROFT: But you seem to be saying that as long as you think you have a chance to win, that you're going to stay in it, even if it goes to the convention?
CLINTON: Well, I don't think that will happen. But, you know, my husband didn't wrap up the nomination until June.
KROFT: We'll have Senator John McCain on '60 Minutes' next Sunday.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.















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Funny
March 3, 2008 - 16:32 ET by Prester JohnI thought it was the Republicans who were the ignorant religious bigots. This clown has Obama confused with Congressman Ellison from Minneapolis, MN.
Dumbest statement so far today
March 3, 2008 - 16:44 ET by Mica the Magnificent"Used to be that almost everybody in Ohio and the Midwest took a vacation to Florida, the west coast of Florida in the wintertime, and bought a new Chevy or a Ford or Chrysler every other year."
Probably the dumbest statement I've read by a 'journalist' in days.
I suppose the building that housed the Dept of Social Services was turned into a travel agency during the Clintoon years, eh Stevie?
Ignorance
March 3, 2008 - 16:45 ET by kdoliverIt's a shame that the vote of a person like that counts as much as an educated individual. But then Shillary or Hussein would not be where they are if only smart people voted.
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"I'm leaning towards Obama.
March 3, 2008 - 16:45 ET by kg"I'm leaning towards Obama. There's a couple issues with him I'm not too
clear on...Well, I'm hearing he doesn't even know the national anthem.
He wouldn't use the Holy Bible. He's got his own beliefs, with the
Muslim beliefs. And couple of issues that bothers me at heart."
This is typical of the 'blind' Obama voters. It doesn't matter to the Obama voters what is true or not. It doesn't matter what Obama may do in the White House. It doesn't matter what Obama really beieves in. They are "leaning towards Obama". Why, you might ask? Who the hell knows, just because.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
KG. I typed the same thing,
March 3, 2008 - 17:09 ET by USA4freedomKG.
I typed the same thing, great minds.. right??
“I'm leaning towards Obama. There's a couple issues with him I'm not too clear on...Well, I'm hearing he doesn't even know the national anthem. He wouldn't use the Holy Bible. He's got his own beliefs, with the Muslim beliefs. And couple of issues that bothers me at heart.”
This guy has all of these wrong ideas And yet, will still vote for him. That tells you a lot about the IQ of some Democratic voters.
A few issues??? Are you kidding me?? We don’t need no stinking issues..
What about the gum drops from Heaven or that new unicorn parked in your driveway, or your own personal leprechaun.
Hell I have my order in for the Loc Ness monster (if global warming has not killed it yet). I ordered it in standard green.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
I heard the same kinds of
March 3, 2008 - 17:14 ET by balboaI heard the same kinds of comments from Bush before his first win. "I just like the guy. Something about him. Seems like a good guy." I always thought that wasn't a reason to vote for him, just as it's not a good reason to vote for Obama.
I actually wish Hillary would win the nomination right now.
Kroft was quick to protect Obama, but..
March 3, 2008 - 17:25 ET by Gary HallSteve Kroft was so very quick to attempt to set the facts straight (as he sees them) on the one man's view of Obama as a Muslim, that he corrects the man on the spot and then inserts what appears to be a completely planned follow up interview with Obama - in fact, one might guess that the entire episode was a set up from the beginning -- all meant to protect both Hillary and Obama, while promoting the MSM's theme that the Republican Swift Boating is in process; Kroft let Hillary off the hook all to easy, and left Obama's charges that it's out there resonate. Where is the investigative reporting to get to the bottom of Hilary's problem, here?
But on a separate issue - the manufacturing jobs issue - Kroft is pushing his agenda, and has no interest in setting the record straight:
We all know that it was Bill Clinton who championed and got NAFTA passed in late 1993. We should also all know that this trend in jobs going abroad, etc., did not begin "in the eight years that George Bush has been president," rather it was well in place before Bush became President. Additionally, many have represented that most of the jobs lost are not necessarily NAFTA related, but rather productivity increase related. I doubt that Kroft stands ready to credit Bush with improving anything, much less greatly improved productivity.
Just the same, Kroft allowed the city councilwoman to present this deeply flawed historical rewrite of history:
Funny, isn't it, that Kroft didn't say to her, "But you know, my dear, that it was Bill Clinton who brought these changes to Ohio, and that when George Bush came into office, he inherited an economy in crisis, millions of folks loosing their jobs and the end of budget surpluses."
I flipped to 60 Minutes for 60 seconds
March 3, 2008 - 17:48 ET by SouthJersey1953...and happened to catch this part where they were crying about all the lost jobs. Clinton's policies came to mind as well as how much lower the unemployemnet rate is now compared to 8 years ago. I couldn't take any more than 60 seconds of the hour long advertisement for O'Bama (is he Irish?) and flipped over to America's Funniest Videos (smarter people there)
Dot com and raping the CIA
March 3, 2008 - 21:47 ET by docbDot com and raping the CIA and Military were the reason for the balanced budget...THey brought us 'China most favored nation'. NAFTA, and a slanderous 8 yrs,,, She had no security clearance and was only on the plane to foreign countries not a participant... she is a thief [papers and furniture] liar as to experience, cheat as to the union busting and grabbing her husbands experience///WE SHOULD BE AFRAID ....VERY AFRAID\\
SHE IS SLIME
Will someone please fill me
March 3, 2008 - 23:30 ET by motherbeltWill someone please fill me in about what Bill Clinton did in the 90's that caused the economy to boom?
Well where could one go but
March 4, 2008 - 10:56 ET by dscottWell where could one go but up from the 1987 housing bubble, S&L crisis and the RTC selling off all that commerical property at bargain basement prices????? Then let's not forget the cost of oil ranged from $25 to $10/barrel after the Gulf War I at the end of Bush Sr term. http://www.oilnergy.com/hpix/2opostm.gif The oil price spike and Ross Perot with his giant sucking sound is what really got Clinton into office, his sleazy charm aside. Even a moron like Clinton could look good in an environment with stable oil prices, the problem is he squandered it instead of going after those who would spread terrorism throughout the world. The reason becomes apparent when you look at how industry is constantly finding ways of using less energy to keep up the bottom line. Notice the two graphs on the right: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/pdf/pages/sec1_12.pdf and notice the graph on the bottom left.
Let's look at it this way, if you were the Mullahs of Iran which would you want in the Whitehouse setting US foreign policy, a Dem or a Repub? Looking at the oil price chart, what did they do to ensure that result? Is it merely coincidental that the price of oil started going up during key election cycles in the US in 2000, 2004, 2006 and now in 2008????? It is no coincidence that oil prices are going up during this election cycle, Iran and Venezuala want a Dem in the Whitehouse who will not pursue terrorism. It's the economy stupid!!!! Who said that?
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
Isn't the fact that Obama is
March 3, 2008 - 17:28 ET by Chris NormanIsn't the fact that Obama is opposed by anyone, by itself, malicious?
If not racist
March 3, 2008 - 17:30 ET by ahusserIf not racist
indubitably.
March 3, 2008 - 18:16 ET by Chris Normanindubitably.
What's the Dem rank and
March 3, 2008 - 17:47 ET by dscottWhat's the Dem rank and file to do? If you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist, if you don't vote for Clinton you're not for women. Here's our solution to this thorny problem, vote for McCain, if you're going to be accused of not being for women or people of color then you might as well be guilty of what they accuse you of! Besides, McCain is a liberal, so what's not to love? He's Hillary without the baggage, the whining or carping. <sarcasm, as if I really needed to say it>
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
They're completely in the
March 3, 2008 - 20:09 ET by SchnikeysThey're completely in the sack for this guy, it's so obvious. I can only imagine how next week's interview with McCain will go.
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