CBS: Does Experience Matter for the Presidency? Not Really

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NewsBusters.org - Media Research CenterOn Friday’s CBS "Early Show," co-host Harry Smith interviewed the Managing Editor of Time Magazine, Richard Stengel, about the publication’s latest cover story on the presidential campaign entitled "How Much Does Experience Matter?," with a clear picture of Barack Obama’s silhouette surrounded by a holy aura of light (see picture). Smith previewed the segment earlier in the show by wondering: "Still ahead, the question of experience dominating the Democratic campaign, does it really matter?"

In the segment that followed, the answer to that question was a resounding ‘no.’ Stengel began by using the anecdotal evidence of Abraham Lincoln to prove that experience does not matter: "I mean, the most famous example, of course, is Abraham Lincoln, who is probably our least experienced president, who was sandwiched between our two most experienced presidents, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson, both of whom were failures."

Stengel went on to defend JFK, claiming the young president was not responsible for the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion, but rather that the more experienced, and Republican, Dwight Eisenhower was the reason for the invasion’s failure:

David's [Time writer, David Von Drehle] great piece starts out with John F. Kennedy who came in, the first 100 days, he's tested in the Bay of Pigs. He makes a terrible mistake. He says, man, 'if I'm going to learn something, at least I learned it early.' But then who got them into the Bay of Pigs originally? Dwight Eisenhower, the most experienced president.

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Stengel later went on to claim that: "The thing is, and what David really says is that character trumps experience...It's really the way you are as a person. Your temperament, your intelligence, all of those things make up for what you may lack in experience."

Smith responded by quoting the article: "This quote that he pulls up, 'the truth that finally overtakes you.' This whole -- this notion of leadership which is a collection of intangibles."

Stengel uses a final historical example of the unimportance of experience:

There's that great famous story about when FDR went to see Oliver Wendell Holmes when he was running for president. And Holmes said you know 'he has a second-rate mind but a first-rate temperament,' and he meant -- that meant he'd be a good president.

At the end of the segment, Smith handed coverage over to fellow co-host Julie Chen, who made this observation:

CHEN: Harry, isn't that our tag line, 'CBS News, Experience'?

SMITH: Yeah.

CHEN: Now 'CBS News, Character.'

SMITH: Character, and intuition.

CHEN: Right.

Of course Dan Rather’s false National Guard story about President Bush in 2004 was all about character.

Here is the full transcript of the segment:

7:00AM TEASER:

HARRY SMITH: Clinton versus Obama. Democratic battle hits a fever pitch four days before the do-or-die primaries in Texas and Ohio.

7:02AM TEASER:

JULIE CHEN: Also this morning, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been fighting over the question of experience in their battle for the Democratic nomination. And this morning we're going to take a look at a fascinating report that examines just how crucial experience is.

SMITH: Cover story on Time Magazine today.

7:13AM TEASER:

SMITH: Still ahead, the question of experience dominating the Democratic campaign, does it really matter?

7:17AM SEGMENT:

HARRY SMITH: As Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama battle it out, getting ready for the primaries in Texas and Ohio on Tuesday, the question of experience has taken center stage. Time Magazine has two articles on the subject, on the issue that hits news stands today. 'Does Experience Matter in a President' and 'The Science of Experience.' And Time's Managing Editor Rick Stengel is with us this morning. Good morning.

RICHARD STENGEL: Good to be here Harry.

SMITH: David Von Drehle writes this amazing piece and you're looking for the answer, and it's not so easily defined, ease it -- easily in terms of experience being a predictor of success.

NewsBusters.org - Media Research CenterSTENGEL: Right. It's not so easy. I mean, the most famous example, of course, is Abraham Lincoln, who is probably our least experienced president, who was sandwiched between our two most experienced presidents, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson, both of whom were failures. So what does that tell you? I mean, Lincoln was just a one-term Congressman. David's great piece starts out with John F. Kennedy who came in, the first 100 days, he's tested in the Bay of Pigs. He makes a terrible mistake. He says, man, 'if I'm going to learn something, at least I learned it early.' But then who got them into the Bay of Pigs originally? Dwight Eisenhower, the most experienced president.

SMITH: Right. And one of the other things he says, if this were really an indicator, then second terms would have -- would, you know be -- would -- the presidents would flourish and they would be so terrific, second terms are usually horrible for presidents.

STENGEL: Exactly. I mean, if we look at modern history, Nixon's second term, kind of a disaster. LBJ, incredibly experienced, second term he ran out of gas. The thing is, and what David really says is that character trumps experience.

SMITH: Right.

STENGEL: It's really the way you are as a person. Your temperament, your intelligence, all of those things make up for what you may lack in experience.

SMITH: This quote that he pulls up, 'the truth that finally overtakes you.' This whole -- this notion of leadership which is a collection of intangibles.

STENGEL: Right. I mean, Richard Norton Smith, who he quotes in the piece, is a great presidential historian, says ultimately it's about character. Experience feeds into character, but it's the kind of judgment you have, the kind of temperament you have. There's that great famous story about when FDR went to see Oliver Wendell Holmes when he was running for president. And Holmes said you know 'he has a second-rate mind but a first-rate temperament,' and he meant -- that meant he'd be a good president.

SMITH: And very quickly, the bounce piece is all about 'The Science of Experience,' and the takeaway from that is?

STENGEL: Well, the takeaway from that is experience cuts both ways. Of course it's important and often good, but sometimes what it does -- it means you just do the same wrong thing over and over again.

SMITH: Right. It's such interesting stuff. And it's on the cover of Time Magazine right now. 'How Much Does Experience Matter?' Rick Stengel, thanks very much for being with us this morning.

STENGEL: Thanks Harry.

SMITH: Really appreciate it. Now here's Julie.

JULIE CHEN: Harry, isn't that our tag line, 'CBS News, Experience'?

SMITH: Yeah.

CHEN: Now 'CBS News, Character.'

SMITH: Character, and intuition.

CHEN: Right.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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MSM Proclamation!!!!

The lubrication for Barack Obama begins . . . .

Our most inexperienced

Our most inexperienced president?  That's a toughie...William Henry Harrison comes to mind.  Although George Bush (XLIII) would certainly be in the running...

Experience

Experience only matters to the MSM if you are a Republican. It is ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL if you are a Conservative candidate for the presidency.

 

Do you know what happens when a man with experience meets up with a man with money????? The man who had the experience, leaves with the money and the man who had the money, leaves with the experience.

One of the most

One of the most inexperienced leaders of all time was King Tut. He was a real mummy's boy.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Note how the Time columnist...

so easily defended John Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs.  I have never heard one single news outlet defend George W. Bush for the intelligence and homeland security mess prior to 9/11. 

Time and Newsweek both might as well be an extension of the DailyKos.  They are equally legitimate. 

And wasn't it Kennedy who

And wasn't it Kennedy who first sent "advisors" to Viet Nam (French Indo-China)?

Actually, No

Eisnenhower sent the first US advisors, but Truman started it:

"The U.S. military advisory effort in Vietnam had a modest beginning in September 1950, when the United States Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG), Vietnam, was established in Saigon. Its mission was to supervise the issuance and employment of $10 million of military equipment to support French legionnaires in their effort to combat Viet Minh forces. By 1953 the amount of U.S. military aid had jumped to over $350 million and was used to replace the badly worn World War II vintage equipment that France, still suffering economically from the devastation of that war, was still using.

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Okie dokie....I stand

Okie dokie....I stand corrected. The early 60's was the first that I remembered.

Bay of pigs

Who launched the Bay of Pigs? Who turned tail and ran allowing a lot of people to die? JFK, not Ike.

 

 

Old, Retired and glad of it.

Bay Of Pigs

Ike left an intact plan for the Bay of Pigs to work, and as liberals are wont to do Kennedy changed the plans and dropped the air cover and the invasion that would have rid Cuba of Castro, failed

 

VOTE REPUBLICAN

I mean, Lincoln was just a

I mean, Lincoln was just a one-term Congressman.

  That's uhhh.. a little misleading.  Lincoln was a Captain in the Blackhawk Wars, had a very successful law practice and was a member of the Illinois General Assembly for eight years before becoming a U.S. Representative.  His resume was much thicker than 'Community Organizer'.

  

Thats a great point, you

Thats a great point, you obviously know a little history.  My problem with Obama is that while he can dish out the platitudes very eloquently he just hasn't shown he is able to lead and make decisions.  Presidents are forced to make decisions everyday.  And not just small decisions, decisions that affect the present and future of this great country.  Obama's record of not voting on controversial legislation shows me he is not ready to sit in the seat of the PROTUS and make choices with conviction.  He has not run a company, been in an executive position in terms of a governor or even mayor of a large city, a military commander, or anything else that would force him to make decisions.  I know alot of people with great character that fold under pressure when they must make a choice.  This is experience that is required for the job.

  Well yeah, I live in the

 Thats a great point, you obviously know a little history.

Well yeah, I live in the land of Lincoln plus Lincoln did some of his law work here in my area.  One of the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates was here where I live.

WOW!

Well yeah, I live in the land of Lincoln plus Lincoln did some of his
law work here in my area. One of the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates
was here where I live.

The Lincoln-Douglas debates were in your house?

 

 

 



"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara


   Hey  : )   C'mon us

   Hey  : )   C'mon, us country folks talks in generalities like that.

things were a lot better when..

...military combat an command experience were practically mandatory for President. When Congress was more warriors than lawyers.

 

"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

Character and experience

They're so shallow, and they still don't get it. Real character comes from experience, usually bad experience. In that respect, Lincoln had a lot of experience, since he went through all kinds of adversity, and came though with the ability to weather a storm.

  • So far, the Obama campaign is trying to spin the idea that Obama's vote against the invasion of Iraq shows his "character."
    • Of course, logically, that's just nonsense. All of the intelligence about the war was presented to the president and chief leaders of the senate, on both sides of the aisle, and all of it pointed to the need to stop Saddam as soon as possible. What Obama is saying is that he ... somehow ... magically ... knew better, despite the available evidence.
    • It doesn't matter that the evidence turned out to be wrong, because Obama didn't know that at the time.
  • Can some reporter please ask Obama how he knew that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq? It's easy to brag now about the result, but let's see how he answers questions about his rationale. Make him explain himself. Senator, are you against all military action, and when would it be appropriate?
  • Further, the problems in Iraq were more about execution than strategy. The post-invasion strategy was more worried about "leaving a footprint" than about security. The forces were kept deliberately light to keep a low profile, but we now understand that in Iraq, security is (and was) far more important. The surge proves it.
    • If the surge strategy had been used at first, Obama would look pretty silly now, wouldn't he? 
    • And for all his "character," Obama proves yet again that he really doesn't understand what's going on over there. Experience would have told him.
    • Hate to admit it, but you know who's infinitely wiser about what's going on over there? Joe Biden. (And doesn't it scare you that Obama is being blown away intellectually by Joe Biden ??

Obama, in fact, betrays his true "character" when he talks about the war. When times got tough, he bragged about how he didn't want to go there in the first place, and how eager he is to run from it ... just when the proper strategy is proving what we should have done in the first place. Is that the kind of "character" we want in a president?

I suppose you could also say

I suppose you could also say that we got lucky with Lincoln. Besides, so far, Obama doesn't appear to be even close to being  Lincoln. He looks to be more like a winner of American Idol - with all the shallowness surrounding his selection that implies.

This may have been linked

This may have been linked to before, but if so, it bears repeating. The title is "Why Obama Can't Win a General Election" but I would call it why he shouldn't!

He says "I'm the only candidate who opposed this war from the beginning, and as President, I will end it.

Uh, Senator, you can't just "end" a war. You can win it, lose it, or withdraw from it. You can't make it end just because you want it to. We know you don't want to win it. Please explain why you want to lose it, or how you plan to withdraw from it without losing.

mb, It's like politicians

mb,

It's like politicians who claim that they "will end poverty" or "create new jobs" - like Hillary claimed she would in Buffalo when she was campaigning for senator. A lot of people don't get past the words.

the Obama campaign is

the Obama campaign is trying to spin the idea that Obama's vote against the invasion of Iraq shows his "character."

******************************************************

was he even in the Senate when that vote was cast.....he came to DC in 2006.

 

 

I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist

OK, how long will it take

OK, how long will it take for Obama (or someone on his staff) to complain about the ears in cover shot?

Examples of Inexperience

As long as we're using examples of how a country is run by those with a lack of experience in governing, why not use Hitler? After all, he didn't have much experience. The same with Chairman Mao. He didn’t have much experience and look at the wonderful job HE did! Only 20 or 30 millions Chinese died under his administration. That’s not that bad, I guess. Ditto for Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, Kim Il-sung , Kim Jong-il, Castro, Ect. Ect. Ect.

With such fine examples of how countries are run by those with little experience, who could expect Obama to do worse?

And apparently Obama is

And apparently Obama is proving already that experience isn't necessary for a politician to talk out of both sides of his mouth. 

From  Power Line:

When Barack Obama speaks (incessantly) about change, he probably doesn’t mean changing his positions to suit his audience. Yet this is becoming the change Obama is best at. Earlier today, I noted that, while Obama promises Ohio voters to renegotiate NAFTA, his "lead" economic adviser assures Canadian officials that this is just campaign rhetoric.

Meanwhile, Obama, again through a surrogate, is signaling a change in his position with respect to meeting with Iranian president Ahmadinejad. Thus, Rep. Robert Wexler, Obama’s main Jewish outreach guy, has told JTA that Obama does not necessarily have Ahmadinejad in mind when he says he will meet with Iran's leaders. Wexler (most recently seen providing misleading information to the Jerusalem Post about the role of Robert Malley in the Obama campaign), says that “Ahmadinejad may not be the one to meet with" because “he is not the person that ultimately controls power in Iran." Maybe Obama will be like the guy in the old 1960s joke who arrives on Mars and says, “take me to your leader.”

But as recently as November, Obama was pretty clear that he would talk to Ahmadinejad even though the Holocaust denier might not have ultimate power. According to JTA, Obama told Meet the Press:

"Look, part of the reason it’s important for us to talk to countries we don’t like and leaders we don’t like, it's not that I think that in a conversation with somebody like Ahmadinejad that I’m going to somehow change his mind on everything, but what we do is, we send a signal to other leadership in Iran, to the Iranian people and to the world community that we are listening and that we are willing to try to resolve conflicts peacefully."

So Obama’s new position (as explained by Wexler) isn’t based on a new understanding of the Iranian power structure. It is based, almost surely, on the need to assuage the concerns of pro-Israel voters in the Democratic base.

Character

So let me get this straight. Now they say that character is an important trait? I remember in 1992 and 1996 that they were saying that character didn't matter but the experience from running a country or state was more important!

In a similar fashion, if

In a similar fashion, if you recall, military service was inconsequential when the Draft Dodger was running. But in 2000, John Kerry was far more qualified, having been in a war, while Bush never saw combat.

Turning on a dime for a double standard has never been a problem for Liberals.

honest mistake .....2004

honest mistake .....2004 not 2000

but now we have.....not a three time purple heart "winner" our guy was an honest to goodness POW.   Kerry spending 4 months on a boat was more then enough "combat exprience" according to the dems 4 years ago, McCain should win by default

 

 

I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist

SMITH: Character, and intuition.

What a farce.  After Kennedy's first meeting with Kruschov he came away from it shaken.  Kruschov ate his lunch, why?  Because he was a veteran of Stalingrad and survived and succeeded Stalin. 

Who says we don't need experience in the White House?  Sure, we need a president with "character, judgement and temperament".  But a copy boy can have that and you don't put him at the editor's desk.  Gimme a break.

Are we anointing a boy king here? 

A nation that cannot secure its borders is not a nation.” Ronald Reagan

NOW is Not the time in

NOW is Not the time in American history to have a President with training wheels and guided by "advisors". We'd have a President on training wheels and a pupit president to boot.

Like any job, the candidates

Like any job, the candidates NEED a good resume, regardless of the party. Those people are applying for a job, it shouldn't be a popularity contest.

Lets see, would I look for

Lets see, would I look for an experienced person to do:

 brain surgery?

To work on your wife’s car?

To work on your gas furnace?

To pilot your airplane?

To teach you how to Scuba dive?

To do your tax returns?

To fix a hole in the bottom of your boat?

To cut down a large oak tree that towers over your house?

To teach your son or daughter how to become a soldier?

 To drive a semi tractor trailer 65 mph down a interstate.

BUT..

To run the most powerful country in the world, with nucular wepons and the most powerful army/navy/airforce. With the economy that makes the word go. With radical Muslims wanting to nuke one of our citys. A country with the population of: 301,139,944 with all the problems that comes with this job: No experience required..

ONLY IN AMERICA...

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

On the other hand I think I

On the other hand I think I would just be glad to have a man that could just build a dam fence..

Maybe I should apply.

I can build a fence.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

The ascension begins...

The mantra... "change... change... change..."

The emotion... "Six have fainted at Obama rallies!"

The ascension... "The New Camelot!"

The apostles... "Caroline, the Daughter; Theodore, the dru... the Brother; Chris, the bringer of tales; and all the sons and daughters of Hollywood."

The gospel... "He cometh without experience, he goeth with such audacity!"

The truth... "Hack lawyer from Chicago."

experience doesn't really matter

While i'm no fan of obama or any democrat for that matter.  I feel that people who have ideas and solutions are far netter than people who have experience in respect to the presidency.

For matters of war economics and what have you, you need people around you who are experts on the topic and give you all the angles for you to make the best decision.

who ever advised bush that 7 years after 9/11 it's okay to not have any border security or port security or feasible visa programs is not doing a good job and bush will go down as one of the worst presidents on nat'l security ever because of it.   

bottom line:

I don't need experience to know that illegal immigration is going to cripple our country.   

I don't need experience to know that spending trillions while cutting taxes and borrowing money and printing new money  is not good for the long term economic stability of this country

I'll take smart over experience any day.  which mccain (more bush) or obama  (a socialist) do not have... 

 

 

Experence Free Solutions?

"I feel that people who have ideas and solutions are far netter than people who have experience in respect to the presidency."

How can someone with little or no experience be better than someone that has actually implemented their ideas and solutions while governing an administration? Wouldn't it be preferable that someone be able to demonstrate that they know how to implement their ideas into action?

Experience Exshmerience

Barack Obama's #1 cheerleader, Michelle Obama, just gave a speech where she told America's young people not to look for the better paying jobs.

Huh?

Barack Obama looked straight into the cameras and said he wanted to change the kind of thinking that caused us to react with military force after 9-11.

Huh?

Keep talking, Mr. and Mrs. Saviour.

Barack Obama's #1

Barack Obama's #1 cheerleader, Michelle Obama, just gave a speech where
she told America's young people not to look for the better paying jobs.

I assume you're talking about the Ohio speech referenced on NRO's The Corner. She told an audience at a Zanesville day care center: (emphasis added)

“Don’t go into corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we’re encouraging our young people to do that. But if you make that choice, as we did, to move out of the money-making industry into the helping industry, then your salaries respond.”

[I assume she meant they respond negatively, because she then said: Faced with that reality.....many of our bright stars are going into corporate law or hedge-fund management.”]

Back to the NRO piece:

What she doesn’t mention is that the helping industry has treated her pretty well. In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital, where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office.

Mrs. Obama didn't explain how being on the board of a hospital and her husband's political carreer are "helping" professions. It's not like she's a nurse and he's a social worker. But she thinks that others should eschew money-making careers to go into "helping" professions. Top that off with the fact that, in spite of her own exorbitant salary in addition to her husband's, she whined about the cost of dance, piano and other lessons for her daughters (shades of Couric's "I had to take out a loan to fill my minivan" whine) and it shows she truly has no clue how most people live.

Lincoln

The short answer is how can you praise a man who had thousands of non combatants in border states arrested and held without trial?

Lincoln is a perfect example of what can happen when an inexperienced person becomes President.    By the time Lincoln took office six states had succeeded from the Union. These states were reacting to fears of Lincoln which stemmed from many of his earlier statements.   They absolutely distrusted and feared him.

Several Southern states including Virginia promised not to succeed unless he launched a war. They were willing to work with Lincoln to reach a compromise.   While the situation was tense, there was still much room for negotiation.

What happened?. Seven weeks into his Administration, Fort Sumter was attacked. Lincoln raised an Army and a costly war ensued. 

The issue is not the wrongness of slavery. Did Lincoln act  too quickly without giving a peaceful resolution to the crisis a chance?

Slavery ended in most of the world without a war. Why is someone who rushed head first into war given such praise? 

In my mind, he would have been a much greater president if he had ended slavery without a war.

Slavery was the weapon, not the war

The Civil War was about the ascendency of an overpowering Federal Government supeceding the individual State's rights. Abolishionism was a weapon to further weaken the Agrarian South.

Men running industrial companies from the North would have been fools not to know that war would profit them greatly, with little risk to themselves or their scions.

Had there been a peaceful resolution, it would have been required to properly address the States vs. Federal issue as the Constitution was written, and many of the failures of America would have been addressed by those further Checks and Balances.

Slavery would have ended soon with the mechanization of agriculture. but that would have required investment and partnership from the fledgling mega-banks of the North-instead of complete dominance and ownership. It was better to wait until infrastructure was crushed, till spirits were broken, then move in and take advantage of the starving and the desperate for pennies on the dollar.

But that's not as cool a "good vs. evil" story as those "evil racist white southern folk" getting stomped by "noble Honest Abe". Especially when there's contention as to whether the winning party was the "good guys" in the long run.

 

"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

Character CAN compensate for lack of experience

But it does NOT make experience meaningless. Kennedy allowed the Bay of Pigs to happen with no support because of his inexperience. He was taken advantage of by Kruschev, which almost lead to WW3, because of his inexperience. The Presidency of the United States is not a job where the incumbent should be dependant upon on-the-job training. Experience in running somethng and making decisions that affect people's lives in extremely beneficial, but character and values are also important.

Humility and the realization that you do not know everything and need experienced advisors around you are very important.

I don't think that either Obama or Clinton have the character, values or humility necessary to execute the job of President of the United States. Obama doesn't have experience running almost anything.

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Gravitas

Used to be important. But now we are reduced to air head cult guy, she is a woman and the old guy who was in the military.

The Senate is full of experienced people. Times change.

Excellent point! Gravitas

Excellent point! Gravitas is now persona non gratis.

The MSM just can't seem to make up their mind.

On lying:

Clinton (who constantly lied) - "Lying is good... everybody lies... a person can lie about any number of things and still be considered honest"

Bush (who is always honest) - "Bush lied, people died..."

On experience:

Bush - "Sorely lacking in gravitas... must find someone to give him gravitas... gravitas... gravitas... gravitas..."

Obama - "Experience is not important... Lincoln was inexperienced.. blah, blah, blah.."

On character:

Clinton (who had no character) - "Character doesn't matter, it doesn't affect how you do your job"

Bush (a man of character) - "Bush is a terrorist... Bush is evil.. Bush is Hitler"

Obama (who they ASSUME has character) - "Character trumps a lack of experience... character is what we need in a president"

On war:

Clinton: "Kosovo - great humanitarian endeavor.. Iraq - we must eliminate the threat of WMD"

Bush: "Iraq - No blood for oil, illegal war, imperialist occupiers"

Obama: "Pakistan - brilliant to pursue the terrorists"


On aid to Africa:

Clinton (who did nothing): "Such a great humanitarian for feeling their pain."

Bush (who saved millions): "Yaaaawwwwnnn"

 

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

I still want to know:

I still want to know:

If we invaded Iraq for the oil, why the hell are we paying over $3 a gallon for gas?????

 

Good post Jerry.    Ronald

Good post Jerry. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

"We are the change we seek"

"We are the change we seek" - Barrack Obama

Any questions?

How about "We are the ones

How about "We are the ones we have been waiting for!!"

I'm getting to where I can't separate the Paul Shanklin parody stuff from things Obama has really said! LOL

mb

"We are the people our parents warned us about" ~ Jimmy Buffett 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Goo Goo G'Joob

"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together" ~ The Beatles

It's become quite obvious - You are so oblivious - to yourself

To Barrak and his followers

"It's become quite obvious - You are so oblivious - to yourself" Wilco (a band who supports Barrak)

Does Barrack really say that? Plagiarizing Gandhi ? or does he

give him credit? The famous Gandhi quote is

 

"Be the change you want to see in the World"

Leave it to Barrak to totally bastardize it. If we are the change we seek then no change is needed. The Gandhi quote is a great one and one of my favorites because it puts the responsibility on the individual to change themselves not to change others. True meaningful change comes from people trying to be the best they can be, not from trying to tear down others.

Barrak steals his words and says - lets change everyone into what we are. How sad. It's completely different but still plagiarism.