On Sunday’s "60 Minutes," anchor Morley Safer did a segment on Demark being ranked the happiest country in world consistently for the past three decades and wondered: "What makes a Dane so happy? And why isn't he wallowing in misery and self doubt like so many of the rest of us?" Later in the segment, Safer discovered that low expectations of the Danish people was the key to their happiness and he concluded that:
Wanting it all is a bacterium that stays with us from youth to old age -- wanting a bigger house, fancier car, more stuff. And when we get more, there's always someone with even more stuff who's just as unhappy. Some suggest that the unhappiest zip codes in the country are the wealthiest, like the Upper East Side of New York.
It’s interesting that many liberal media figures reside in New York’s Upper East Side.
Safer began the segment by referring to the Declaration of Independence, just prior to touting Denmark’s socialism:
Tonight, we talk about happiness, that quirky, elusive emotion that the Declaration of Independence maintains we have every right to pursue...the main scientific survey of international happiness, carried out by Leicester University in England, ranks the U.S. a distant 23rd, well behind Canada and Costa Rica. But you'll be pleased to know we beat Iraq and Pakistan. And the winner is? Once again, Denmark.
Later, while talking to Danish professor Kaare Christiansen, Safer wondered if a nation’s power makes it unhappy: "Do you think there's some kind of inverse relationship between the more powerful you are, the more unhappy you are, and the weaker you are, the happier you are?"
Safer also talked to a group of Danish students and seemed impressed with how advanced Denmark’s welfare state has become:
SAFER: For example, no student loans hanging over their heads -- all education is free in Denmark, right on through university. And students can take as long as they like to complete their studies.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT B: And we get paid to go to school, actually. Instead of in the U.S., you pay to go to school, we get paid to go to school if we pass our exams.
SAFER: Americans watching this, particularly people your age, would be bowled over by the very idea that the government pays you to go to school.
STUDENT: I'm being paid right now for not going to school. I'm being paid for parenting.
SAFER: Oh, you're on paternity leave.
STUDENT: Yes, it's 100% paid for by the government for half a year.
SAFER: Denmark also provides free health care, subsidized child care and elder care, a social safety net spread the length and breadth of the country.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT C: I mean, we're pretty much free to do whatever we want. We're secure from the day we're born, for a Dane who lives in Denmark.
Of course Safer did note that a government "safety net" is not free:
SAFER: But in getting all of those wonderful gifts from the government, the Danes do pay a price. How much would a, sort of, middle-income person pay in taxes?
DR. CHRISTIANSEN: About 50... half.
SAFER: And that is one trade-off most Americans are not willing to make.
Safer then talked to Harvard psychologist Tal Ben-Shahar, who explained why Americans are so unhappy, we just expect too much:
In America, part of the ethos, part of the American dream, is that more is better, and the more is better usually applies to the material realm. And that doesn't pan out, that doesn't work, it doesn't make us happier...It is about having realistic expectations. It's... it's about not trying to fit in more... more than we can handle. We can't handle it all, we can't have it all, but we can have a lot.
At the end of the segment Safer asked one of the Danish students to offer Americans some advice. The student mimicked Shahar: "I have an advice. Don't... don't depend too much on the American dream. Yeah, I think you might get disappointed."
So if Americans just give up on their dreams, we would all be a lot happier.
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
MORLEY SAFER: Tonight, we talk about happiness, that quirky, elusive emotion that the Declaration of Independence maintains we have every right to pursue. And man, do we pursue it. We're suckers for an endless stream of self-help books that promise a carefree existence for a mere $24.95. Television hucksters of every kind claim they have the key to Nirvana. So the happiness business, at least, is one big smiley face. As for the rest of us, well, the main scientific survey of international happiness, carried out by Leicester University in England, ranks the U.S. a distant 23rd, well behind Canada and Costa Rica. But you'll be pleased to know we beat Iraq and Pakistan. And the winner is? Once again, Denmark. Over the past 30 years in survey after survey, this nation of 5.5 million people -- the land that produced Hans Christian Andersen, the people who consume herring by the ton-- consistently beat the rest of the world in the happiness stakes. It's hard to figure -- the weather is only so-so; they're heavy drinkers and smokers; their neighbors, the Norwegians, are richer, and their other neighbors, the Swedes, are healthier. So it's ironic or something that the unhappiest man in history, or at least literary history, was that Prince of Denmark, Hamlet, who lived in this gloomy rock pile at Elsinore. Of course, Hamlet had every right to be depressed. After all, his uncle murdered his father, seduced and married his mother, and was an all- around perfect scoundrel. But Hamlet aside, what makes a Dane so happy? And why isn't he wallowing in misery and self-doubt like so many of the rest of us? That's a question that also intrigued professor Kaare Christiansen at the University of Southern Denmark.
KAARE CHRISTIANSEN: If you ask people on the street where they think the happiest country in the world is, they'll say, you know, like, tropical islands and, you know, nice places, you know, like, Italy or Spain-- you know, places with nice weather and good food. But, in Europe, they're actually the most unhappy people.
SAFER: So Dr. Christiansen and a team of researchers tried to discover just why Denmark finds itself on top of the happiness heap.
CHRISTIANSEN: We made fun of it by suggesting it could be because blondes have more fun. But then we could prove that the Swedes have more blondes than the Danes, and they were not as happy. So, we... we tested different hypothesis.
SAFER: So the result is, blondes don't necessarily have more fun.
CHRISTIANSEN: Exactly, so... but it doesn't hurt, either.
SAFER: After careful study, Dr. Christiansen thinks he isolated the key to Danish anti-depression.
CHRISTIANSEN: What we basically figured out that, although the Danes were very happy with their life, when we looked at their expectations, they were pretty modest.
SAFER: So, by having low expectations, you're rarely disappointed.
CHRISTIANSEN: Exactly.
SAFER: Dr. Christiansen's study was called 'Why Danes are Smug.' And, essentially, his answer was it's because they're so glum, and get happy when things turn out not quite so badly as they expected.
CHRISTIANSEN: And I was thinking about, what if it was opposite? That Denmark made the worse number 20, and another country was number one? I'm pretty sure the Danish television would have said, 'well, number 20's not too bad. You know, it's still in the top 25. You know, that's not too bad.'
SAFER: History may also play a role in the country's culture of low expectations. If you go to the government's own web site, it proudly proclaims: 'The present configuration of the country is the result of 400 years of forced relinquishments of land, surrenders, and lost battles.' Could it be that the true secret of happiness is a swift kick in the pants or a large dose of humiliation? Do you think there's some kind of inverse relationship between the more powerful you are, the more unhappy you are, and the weaker you are, the happier you are?
CHRISTIANSEN: Well, at least the pressure's off you, you know? And if you're doing pretty well, and once in a while, there's outstanding, you're very happy about it. But if your starting point is that you should be outstanding, that's not good.
SAFER: Do Danes like being slightly in the shadows?
CHRISTIANSEN: I think it's a little bit like in bicycle race-- you like to come from behind.
SAFER: Which is exactly what the underdog Danes did in the 1992 European Soccer Championship. Christiansen says it created such a state of euphoria that the country has not been the same since. But is the more to it? We asked Danish newspaper columnist Sebastian Dorset what he thought about Denmark's number one status.
SEBASTIAN DORSET: If you didn't tell me about the survey, I wouldn't believe that Denmark was the happiest place, because everybody complains all the time.
SAFER: But I find it fascinating that you... you say people complain. But there is a real sense of contentment here.
DORSET: Yeah.
SAFER: Dorset says that contentment may stem from the fact that Denmark is almost totally homogenous, there's no large disparities of wealth, and has had very little national turmoil for more than a half century.
DORSET: We have very little violence, we have very little murders, so people are... feel very safe.
SAFER: People feel secure.
DORSET: Yes. A knife stabbing makes... makes the front page every... every time. I don't think that happens in... in America very often.
SAFER: Happy as they may be, Dorset says Danes rarely show it.
DORSET: People are not looking very happy in the street. They don't talk very much.
SAFER: So people don't just strike up casual conversations on the train.
DORSET: No. No, never. I think, actually, there's a very highly developed body language. When... if you are stuck on the... on the window seat of a bus and wants to get out, and there's a person next to you on the aisle seat, then you don't say, excuse me, could I please get off? You start rattling your bags and... and make sort of a gesture saying, I'm about to get up, so please get up so I don't have to talk to you.
SAFER: Well, is it shyness or what?
DORSET: I don't know. It's sort of a... it's considered a right by Danish people not to be talked to.
SAFER: Danish students can fairly be described as utterly laid-back. Even so, they're surprised to be told they live in happiness-ville.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: When I go abroad, I usually see people look much more happy. For example, in southern Europe-- they go about in the streets laughing much more than we do. I think you could say maybe we are more content.
SAFER: What's the distinction you make between happiness and contentedness?
STUDENT: Well, if you're... if you're content, you don't have so much to worry about. That's what I think.
SAFER: For example, no student loans hanging over their heads -- all education is free in Denmark, right on through university. And students can take as long as they like to complete their studies.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT B: And we get paid to go to school, actually. Instead of in the U.S., you pay to go to school, we get paid to go to school if we pass our exams.
SAFER: Americans watching this, particularly people your age, would be bowled over by the very idea that the government pays you to go to school.
STUDENT: I'm being paid right now for not going to school. I'm being paid for parenting.
SAFER: Oh, you're on paternity leave.
STUDENT: Yes, it's 100% paid for by the government for half a year.
SAFER: Denmark also provides free health care, subsidized child care and elder care, a social safety net spread the length and breadth of the country.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT C: I mean, we're pretty much free to do whatever we want. We're secure from the day we're born, for a Dane who lives in Denmark.
SAFER: Fish and beer-a-holics they may be, but work-a-holics, they are not. In Denmark, the average work week is, what?
CHRISTIANSEN: 37.
SAFER: 37 hours. And how much vacation?
CHRISTIANSEN: Six weeks.
SAFER: There are billionaires in the United States who don't get six weeks vacations.
CHRISTIANSEN: Maybe they should.
SAFER: But in getting all of those wonderful gifts from the government, the Danes do pay a price. How much would a, sort of, middle-income person pay in taxes?
CHRISTIANSEN: About 50... half.
SAFER: And that is one trade-off most Americans are not willing to make. According to Harvard psychology lecturer Tal Ben-Shahar, Americans want it all.
TAL BEN-SHAHAR: In America, part of the ethos, part of the American dream, is that more is better, and the more is better usually applies to the material realm. And that doesn't pan out, that doesn't work, it doesn't make us happier.
SAFER: Ben-Shahar teaches a course at Harvard called 'Positive Psychology: The Science of Happiness.' He began the class four years ago, and it became the most popular course on campus, enrolling 1,400 students. In the U.S., The quest for happiness begins in what's alleged to be the happiest years of our lives.
SHAHAR: There's a lot of unhappiness on college campuses, and it's not just at Harvard. Over 94% of college students nationwide are stressed and overwhelmed, and students are paying a very high price for this pressure.
SAFER: That pressure is a result of high expectations. Wanting it all is a bacterium that stays with us from youth to old age -- wanting a bigger house, fancier car, more stuff. And when we get more, there's always someone with even more stuff who's just as unhappy. Some suggest that the unhappiest zip codes in the country are the wealthiest, like the Upper East Side of New York.
SHAHAR: The number one predictor of well-being is close friendships and close relationships, in general, which includes, of course, family relationships. Much better predictor of well-being than... than affluence is.
SAFER: Ben-Shahar says Americans could learn a lot about happiness from the Danes.
SHAHAR: It is about having realistic expectations. It's... it's about not trying to fit in more... more than we can handle. We can't handle it all, we can't have it all, but we can have a lot.
SAFER: You've lived in the States, you visited the States.
STUDENT C: Yes.
SAFER: Would you live there?
STUDENT C: It's got a grandness to it that you can never imagine here in Denmark, because it's on a much larger scale. And the differences are much, much bigger. But I wouldn't... I wouldn't want my children to grow up there.
SAFER: Just describe for me the qualities that a successful person would have in this country.
STUDENT: Well, in order to see myself as a... as a success I would... I want to be happy and have a lot of time with my family, I think that's very important to me, and the money is not that important.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT D: It is more about the... the softer values, such as not being stressed and... and feeling passionate about what I'm doing. And maybe this job is not going to pay me a lot of money, but I'm going to love getting up and doing it every day.
SAFER: Do you think that you can equate money with happiness?
STUDENT C: No. If you have a sufficient amount of money, then I don't think it will make you a lot happier to get really rich. And we are already at a good level here in Denmark. So, I don't think we'll be happier if... if we increase our wealth.
SAFER: But these un-melancholy Danes, as laid back as they are, do not lack ambition.
STUDENT: I think that we have very high hopes, just like any other people do; we just don't get so disappointed when they don't -- we don't see them through.
SAFER: What would you advise Americans to do?
STUDENT: I have an advice. Don't... don't depend too much on the American dream. Yeah, I think you might get disappointed.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.





















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Ah yes... Denmark.. leading
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 15:55 ET by JerryAh yes... Denmark.. leading the world in technological and medical advances. The bliss of "low expectations" make them a true superpower.
So Safer is saying to be happy, we should be an all-white society with low expectations?
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Miniscule
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:37 ET by allanfI guess Morely never saw Hamlet. Denmark is a miniscule country with a homogenous population of 5.4 million. Only 41% of the population pursue a university education.
Its GDP of 201.5 billion in 2006 is a fraction of Walmart's annual revenue. In contrast New York City with about 8 million people had a 467 billion GDP in 2006.
Morley would be the first to run back to Manhattan.
Jerry,
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:43 ET by R D HelmSo Safer is saying to be happy, we should be an all-white society with low expectations?
Well Heck, if that what Safer wants, he doesn't have to go all the way to Denmark.
He can just move to Canada.
So true RD. There are many
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 18:14 ET by JerrySo true RD. There are many liberal enclaves in the New England states that would fit the bill also.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Denmark
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:59 ET by doug1950Yep, they make a damn good butter cookie and...................hmmmm.
Sorry Morley. I'll take a
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 15:58 ET by DaBirdSorry Morley. I'll take a lower tax rate so I can pursue my OWN happiness rather than give the govt. half my money (or more) so they can tell me what makes me happy.
And for all this freedom
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:02 ET by FastEdwe've gotten the following from those "hard working" Danes:
Legos
So, for all their hard work, we'd still be using candles, yelling across the room, this blog wouldn't exist, and an awful lot of other things that us bad, overworked, need a vacation type A's, ugly americans have brought to the world - and they wouldn't have the health care they do have if it wasn't for the american way of showing how it's done.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
BUY DANISH...
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:07 ET by danybhoyFastEd,
It's not just Legos, & I had several sets of them starting when I was 6. There is Carlsberg beer & Skagen watches. I have a Skagen & I'm looking at another one. BTW, I bought mine during the height of the Muslim Cartoon Riots, it's my little gesture of support.
Yes, I agree with you that the American way is better then the Danish way. I don't think that the sort of setup they have in places like Denmark with a few million people will ever work in a nation of 300 million like we are.
Any anger should be directed at Morley Safer & his "60 Minutes" team rather then at Denmark. The Danes are generally our freinds, & we should support them. We should not become like them, from a gov't standpoint.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
Oh, don't misconstrue
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:20 ET by FastEdI was just acting out like a "journalist" - don't say anything nice, jsut go off and make believe it's all facts. The Danes like where they are, besides, how can anyone be mad a country that brought us Victor Borge!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
So, what are you saying?
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:47 ET by zfSo, what are you saying? That everything you said in your first post was a lie and meant to parody journalists and that since the Danes "like where they are" the piece is right and Danes are happier than Americans due to socalism and their lack of gusto?
Very dissappointing.
P.S. The Danes may be our friends on the outside and may not be anywhere near the French but they are still Euros and as such the snobby attitude shown by those students interviewed in the piece is what is truly bubbling under the surface.
Yessiree,
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:18 ET by IamTinmanGood cheese, a fair beer and no desire to improve their lot in life.
Perfect proles.
I think this study equates acceptance with happiness. No thanks, I'd rather swing for the fences !!
The Dane are homogenous
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:22 ET by zhombreThe Dane are homogenous (well except for some violent "youths" Reuters can't quite seem to identify) and there are about 5.5 million of them inhabiting Denmark, roughly the same number of Mormons residing in the U.S. It is never pointed out that the U.S. is huge and diverse compared to the small Scandinavian countries that rank so well in indicators of progress, as defined by media and academia. Norway for example has fewer people than Minnesota. I wonder of 60 Minutes would be interested in reporting on the happiness and social cohesion of Mormons in the U.S. Like the Danes, they certainly aren't all torn up with misery and self doubt like the rest of us, and seem to put a emphasis on hard work and large close families. I doubt however that their expectations of life are low or that the Mormons as a group would appeal to the sensibilities of Upper West Side NY based journos.
The only people torn up with
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:50 ET by zfThe only people torn up with self doubt and misery in this country are liberals like Morley here as his piece illustrates. Don't confuse a vocal minority with the vast majority of real Americans.
The Danes may be homogenous,
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 19:23 ET by NL207The Danes may be homogenous, but the people who actually live in Denmark are not nearly all Danes, including many who are Muslim immigrants, mostly Turks.
Suicide rate for Demark:
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:28 ET by USA4freedomSuicide rate for Demark: 13.6 per 100,000
US: 11. Per 100,000
Happy Happy people..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Ahhh yes, the happy go lucky Danes
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:31 ET by c5thenThey are prefectly happy to have the government support them until they decide what it is they really want to do with their lives. Some never decide and just coast along and take what is given to them. Of course if it weren't for the less socialistic countries in the world, like Great Brittain and the USA, Denmark would not exist and they'd all be Germans. Denmark doesn't pay for their own defense because NATO takes care of most of that.
Anyone want to lookup what Denmark's GDP on a per capita basis is? I am willing to be it is significantly lower than GB or US. I wonder what would happen if the NATO bases left and Denmark no longer recieved that income? I wonder what their tax rate would go up to?
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Quick search GDP
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:46 ET by FastEd"Denmark
Denmark, if it were one of the states of the USA, would come well below the American average for per capita GDP, ranking tenth among the poorest states. " Link
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Found one...
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:31 ET by AtillaKahunaCheck out http://www.demographia.com/db-ppp-usdk.htm.
The per-capita GDP of Danes compared to Americans has been consistently at least 20% lower since 1960. But the higher sucicide rate cited earlier must account for that ;-)
Kahuna
I can't resist
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:38 ET by Mike From CanmoreWhen I was visiting Denmark, I know why I was happier. Man the women there were hot. (17 year old boy in me who just won't die speaking).
I'll never forget Perni up in Alborg.
There are 2 types of politicians. Those who know AGW is a sham and stupid ones.
How to be happy...
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:57 ET by PrairieSkyI am fed up to here with those who keep telling us (Americans) what we are doing wrong, what we need to change, etc. If this country is so disfunctional and deserves the scorn of other countries around the world (particular the leftist secular European nations), then why is the U.S. the country that so many other nations emulate and try to keep up with?? These ignorant, snotty little students that were highlighted in the "60 Minutes" piece make me ill. I couldn't care less what a bunch ill-informed, leftist-indoctrinated eurocentric infants think. "Don't depend too much on the American dream. Yeah, I think you might get disappointed..." What a load of crap. How the "H" would he know? These twits only know what they are fed through their anti-American media, and what they get from our own biased media right here at home. It's a bunch of liberal, elitist garbage. Makes me sick...
take it easy on them
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:00 ET by AgnosticThey are only taught about those who don't acheive in America. The homeless, jobless masses that starve in our street. BTW, did you know we didn't have homeless until President Reagan and he also allowed AIDS to spread to get rid of the gay population. Both things I've heard since I started taking night classes at the community college. Even though the schools are across the ocean I'm sure in a cradle to grave society the professors are even more liberal. I find it hard to blame the poor brain washed students.
"Take it easy.."
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:19 ET by PrairieSkyNope...Sorry-I won't take it easy on them. I have a child in college who has been raised to do her own research and find her own answers, versus accepting without question what she is told. With the internet, anyone can research anything and find the TRUTH. And you're right...we need to be more aware of the leftist crap that is being pushed in our schools and universities here at home. We have already seen several examples of that at my child's school, and we live in North Dakota. If it's here, it's everywhere.
PS, my hat is off to your
Tue, 02/19/2008 - 00:00 ET by HermanoPS, my hat is off to your daughter. There just aren't enough of us free thinkers out ther. A colleague of mine and I were discussing this very topic today - Sientists no longer following the scientific method and students simply regurgitating what they here. Both are very bad for the US and the world.
"My hat is off..."
Tue, 02/19/2008 - 00:31 ET by PrairieSkyThanks!!!
Morley, MOVE there and give
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:42 ET by NortoMorley, MOVE there and give us a rest. Truly part of the anti anything American msm.
Maybe, just maybe, we're
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 16:48 ET by rbosqueMaybe, just maybe, we're "unhappy" 'cause we're sick of the left in the press constantly comparing up to European socialists! What will make us truly happy will be when the left in this country follows through with their hatred of the US and finally goes over to Cuba.
Typical leftist piece on Europe
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:18 ET by sms5217This the same old drivel that occurs twice or more annually that professes to show how Europeans are more happy and better grounded than we Americans are. The usual landing spot for these useless pieces is Paris, France. Every summer we hear how the whole country takes the month of August off, how mothers get paid to sit at home for a year, and how cradle to grave benefits are just wonderful if Neanderthal America would just get with the plan.
Let's face it. Euro socialism is the great nirvana for America's traitorous, leftist media. The loser Euros are puerile, immature, and adolescent in their work attitudes and how the government should "take care of them" and how they don't need the American dream, and how "they should lower expectations". Really, taking advice on hard work and how to conduct oneself from a European is akin to asking a death row inmate on social skills and anger management!
With regards to the Morley Safers of the world, they crow about Cuba, for crying out loud! I propose a noble trade. We get to send all the leftists of America to Europe, Scandinavia, or wherever their socialist desires take them. In return, we confiscate their passports and forbid them from ever returning!! How's that, Morley?
Trial lawyers are the scum of the earth
Exactly!
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 18:15 ET by rbosqueExactly!
Many years ago now, I
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:00 ET by jdhawkMany years ago now, I helped train the equivalent of our U.S. Army Rangers in High Altitudge Low Opening (HALO) parachuting in Denmark. It was our gear, our plane, and our trainers that trained the Danish Rangers.
They couldn't afford a C-130. We brought our own Spec Ops C-130 for the job. They had a couple of Fokkers that they converted for military use. You can image the utlity of a commerical aircarft as opposed to one designed for miliary operations. Our C-130 set a high altitude HALO record for the time of over 35,000 ft AGL!
Their military is unionized. They couldn't train on the weekends and/or for more than 8 hours, etc. If they worked more than 8 hours or on the weekends, they were paid extra - if their budget would allow it at all. It didn't. Compare that to the $10 an hour "grunts" in our Army that typically work 18 hours a day in the war zones of Iraq or Afghanistan.
We enjoyed the work and working with the Danes. However, we concluded that their military was a joke. That the country could be overrun by the USSR at will (the bad guys at the time). The country is flat from one end of it to the other. It is simply indefensible.
The Danes' best defense - get the hell out of the way and then pull behind the lines guerrilla action with whatever survives. Notice, I didn't say anything about offense. That is because they have none.
Let's be fair
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:05 ET by Prester JohnDenmark did send a 400-man contingent to Iraq (which was withdrawn last summer) and has a 500 man contingent in southern Afghanistan which are pretty big numbers for a country that size.
Copenhagen also has the largest 4th of July celebration outside the U.S.
"...fair..."
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:27 ET by PrairieSkyYou're right...Kudos to Denmark for the help in Iraq and Afghanistan. That doesn't, however, change my sentiments concerning the "60 Minutes" piece. And why on earth would Copenhagen have a 4th of July celebration???
Little known fact is that
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:31 ET by BDLittle known fact is that most countries around the world, particularly in euro land have the hots for the US. But like immature boys they secret themselves while pining away.
As PJ O'Rourke said, the US is a beautiful 20 year old girl and the rest of the world is horny 14 year olf boys who do wha they can to get our attention....
The 4th of July celebriation was likely started by expats but expanded on by the locals...
"Little known..."
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:39 ET by PrairieSkyYou're likely right about much of the motivation of the animus from the Euro nations directed at the U.S....The old green-eyed monster...Jealousy. As far as for the 4th of July celebrations, I have lived overseas myself, but have never lived in a country that had their own July 4th celebrations. They were all confined entirely to the local, American community (which in my case, was on a military installation). Interesting...
You know the old saying, if
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:55 ET by zfYou know the old saying, if someone sees someone else as superior, they usually respond in two ways: they either try to convince themselves they are at that higher standard or they do even they can to knock that someone done to their level...
"...the old saying..."
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 18:11 ET by PrairieSkyExactly.
I have been in NATO
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:27 ET by BDI have been in NATO exercises in which Denmarks contribution was a single person to stand in the TOC and be noticed. I must admit that they have a high quality troops, but we always made the joke that the Danes were in the vanguard of the Attack - riding in a METRO.
It's the perfect Socialist society....
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:35 ET by AtillaKahunaYou know, we may want to keep a close eye on Hillary or Hussein if either of them is elected.
Denmark has the perfect setup for a Socialist society - that is, a nearly stable population.
The reported birth rate for Denmark is 11.7 per 1000 population annually, compared to a death rate of 10.8 deaths per 1000.
Contrast that with the United States at 14.1 births per 1000, and 8.7 deaths per 1000 annually.
Whoops! So much for socialized medicine!
(Data reference: http://encarta.msn.com/media_701500528/Birth_and_Death_Rates_by_Country_...)
Kahuna
Here's a thought...
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:51 ET by Uncle DonLet's ship about 10 Million of our African-Americans and about 5 million of our Latinos over there and let Morly check back in 5..no, 3 years and see how they're doing on the "Happiness" scale....
Morley just illustrates that
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:52 ET by robert108Morley just illustrates that lefties don't "get" incentive, which is what makes us so productive. We not only want more, we can get it. No wonder the socialist economies are so stagnant.
Safer like so many of the
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 17:53 ET by ConservativeRexSafer like so many of the other limosine liberals just get a kick out of making other folks feel guilty about their lot in life. I am sure the Danes are really happy in Denmark, they should be. As such, we all should be just as happy here in our beautiful country.
These libs like Safer are starting to get under my skin. They just have to have something to lord it over other people. If it's not smoking, it's eating fatty food. If it's not eating fatty food it's we should be more like Denmark.
Who Cares?
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 18:02 ET by planetrepublicanWho cares what this blowhard says? Who cares? Safer lives in a fantasy world, Upper East Side, no doubt. He fanaticizes about the "magical Europe" and tries to spin it on his show. He probably gets the same feeling while visiting Epcot. But I don't care. Who does?
Denmark Riots
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 18:03 ET by SR71 555Denmark has been experiencing RIOTING for the past 6 days and nights................so Morley was telling us that Denmark was an ideal place to live !!!!! What a liberal idiot !!!
Morley has it wrong. It's
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 18:09 ET by zfMorley has it wrong. It's not the Americans want "fancier cars, bigger houses, and more stuff." Americans want the ability to pursue their own dreams and aspirations with their own hands and have enough money and the ability to follow those dreams, sometimes it's "fancier cars, bigger houses, and more stuff" and sometimes it's not.
And why is it the MSM only finds poverty and having less so charming when its in other countries? If the story was about America, the MSM would be wailing on how capitalism deprives the "poor" and "middle class" from following their desires and how miserable being poor and not being affluent is.
Sick.
Solution
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 23:22 ET by iveseenitallAn all-to-obvious solution for Morley---move to Denmark, you creep. I've heard they love the ignorant and the ugly there. Then we can say, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" and mean it.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
freakin eurotrash
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 18:24 ET by seaniepI love getting into it with euro-idiots who talk about how well traveled they are because they have been to spain and france and italy . . . and they assume I have never left the states
I point out that I have left the states, then I point out that I can drive for three days and not make it out of here (I am in Florida, so say Washington/Oregon?), however they can drive for 10 hours and pass through 5 countries
America is way to big to be held to the same standard as a podunk little nowhere with only a fraction of a fraction of our population, and sorry for us having a few issues
I wonder how rioting, a
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 18:36 ET by zfI wonder how rioting, a stagnant economy, and high sucide rates affect a smaller country than, as it reaches more of the whole population?
Random thoughts on Denmark
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 19:09 ET by nkviking75Random thoughts on this subject...
1) How do the survey takers define happiness? I doubt most of us would accept their standard.
2) The Danes must not have conservatives how have to be demoralized, demonized, and destroyed by their media to keep the people from realizing there's something better.
3) US symbol: The eagle. Danish symbol: perhaps it's the sheep?
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Low expectations is the key
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 19:50 ET by chessplayerLow expectations is the key to happiness? Then I guess the Russian people were deleriously happy living under Communism. I sould`nt be happy that Safer is wallowing in misery, but if thats what he likes, so be it.
A Morley dilema?
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 19:55 ET by pocomocoWith Denmark’s open borders philosophy, they are beginning to see an influx of Islamists who have made it plain that Denmark’s laws are not their laws. They have also made it plain that they don’t like their cartoonists.
Because of Socialism, their country has been neutral by not taking sides in the disputes of other countries. However, now they are involved with something entirely new, internal disputes between differing societies.
Denmark is ripe for the picking because it has no standing army and has a free-loading population that has been lulled into a false sense of security through Socialism and, as a result, will not know how to defend itself against the inevitability of terrorism.
So much for peace, tranquility, and ‘happiness’ in Denmark.
The reason for low
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 20:41 ET by ahusserThe reason for low expectations is the more money you earn the more they probably take away in that socialist utopia.
I don't know if they have a progressive income tax but my guess would be at Morley Safer's salary, probably in the 2 to 3 million range (or more), he would probably be in the 90 per cent income tax bracket. Safer probably makes more money than 99 percent of all humans who ever lived. Must be feeling guilty making all that money for not doing too much.
If Danes are happy, good
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 21:02 ET by GregEIf Danes are happy, good for them. I'm happy that they're happy with their way of life.
Now, Morley, I'm in the USA. In the USA, we are not Danes. We are Americans. We want less government control. All the Danish "free" programs are not free. They are paid for by those Danes. If they enjoy that, good for them. They don't know any different than the socialist state in which they grew up in so it's normal for them. I prefer a more individual freedom-promoting one. This is normal for me, yet not as free as I'd like.
Don't worry Morley, America has a great deal of the safety nets that you so admire. And we pay for those. Just as in Denmark, those nets are not free.
By the way, how much of our Defense spending is spent directly to protect much of Europe? More of my tax money that Danes don't have to use for their own defenses.
Perpetual childhood
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 21:29 ET by GalvanicSAFER: Danish students can fairly be described as utterly laid-back. Even so, they're surprised to be told they live in happiness-ville.
In 1940, their grandparents were so utterly laidback that the Nazis overran the country in 24 hours. Hundreds of thousands of British, Canadian, American, Poles, Frenchmen, Belgians, and Dutch did all the heavy-lifting to restore the contented status-quo.
STUDENT: Well, if you're... if you're content, you don't have so much to worry about. That's what I think.
Worry is a part of life.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT B: And we get paid to go to school, actually. Instead of in the U.S., you pay to go to school, we get paid to go to school if we pass our exams.
STUDENT: I'm being paid right now for not going to school. I'm being paid for parenting. . . it's 100% paid for by the government for half a year.
SAFER: Denmark also provides free health care, subsidized child care and elder care, a social safety net spread the length and breadth of the country.
UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT C: I mean, we're pretty much free to do whatever we want. We're secure from the day we're born, for a Dane who lives in Denmark.
CHRISTIANSEN: Six weeks (vacation).
The nanny-state managing a culture so lethargic, it has to pay its citizens to procreate. While fewer and fewer Danes (and Norwegians, and Italians) want to spend the time producing babies and raising children, the nanny-state understands that without future workers, eventually no one will be able to subsidize it.
It it works for them, so be it. It sounds like perpetual childhood -- nothing to worry about, no reason to dare or risk . . . a population lulled into cultural sleep.
But with all their free universities, what have the Danes invented in the past 50 years? What innovations in industry, medicine, or engineering are they credited with? Are their universities discovering and developing breakthrough for improving life for Denmark and mankind, or merely entertaining 'contented' students like cows in a pasture?
"Perpetual childhood..."
Tue, 02/19/2008 - 00:41 ET by PrairieSkyAbsolutely perfect!!! I love the "...cows in a pasture" analogy. Couldn't have summed it up better!! And despite how "happy" the Danes are alleged to be, I'll take our supposedly less happy, angst ridden (I don't buy that assertion for a minute btw), messy, non-homogeneous society any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I know why---
Mon, 02/18/2008 - 21:53 ET by misterbillI know why---it's because of the recent rioting which I believe is still going on. There's nothing like an old-fashioned riot to bring out the smiles. "Riots sweep Denmark".
What a wonderful feeling--perhaps it's the killings in the streets of cartoonists an writers. perhaps it's the fact that the male side does not seem to have an ounce of testoterone. Or maybe, just maybe they like the way their elected officials ignore the invasion of their country. These are the same people who were boasting so strongly about their tolerance a few years ago.
Maybe they are thrilled with the number of rapes and the fact that Muslim women will not report rapes because the government will bow down to the Imams and let them apply Sharia law.
I don't know, it just seems like one big fun place.
Well here's to you Denmark. You go, Danes.
Let's briefly compare
Tue, 02/19/2008 - 04:05 ET by UnsaneCan't stick around long, but I'll just say this:
The United States: #1 economy in the world, with the ability to project power globally (and thus matter in the world).
Denmark: Happy to be mediocre. Going Nowhere. (Hey shawn228, Denmark is a GREAT example of a nation that to Going Nowhere!)
Morley Safer should just go back to Canada, if he is still a citizen of that country.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
"Denmark Feels the Pinch as
Tue, 02/19/2008 - 04:29 ET by chessplayer"Denmark Feels the Pinch as Young Workers Flee to Lands of Lower Taxes"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/business/worldbusiness/26labor.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
Does`nt look like everyones happy.
Of course they are happy,
Tue, 02/19/2008 - 04:36 ET by Slicksterthey can't even figure out why the muslims are rioting in their streets, ignorance is bliss.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-02-14-denmark-unrest_N.htm
More Like Denmark?
Tue, 02/19/2008 - 11:18 ET by nalaexsciGreat! Denmark is in what - their 8th or 9th straight night of rioting?
Denmark
Tue, 02/19/2008 - 12:38 ET by lhbarnesSo, Morley, you think things are so great in Denmark? Ok. Pack your bags, renounce your American citizenship, and haul your butt over there to stay. I'm sure you will just be swamped with happiness.