On Thursday’s CBS "Early Show," while covering Roger Clemens’ testimony before Congress, co-host Maggie Rodriguez talked to sports radio talk show host, Chris "Mad Dog" Russo, who said of the hearing: "I thought the panel for the most part did a pretty good job on the Democratic side. And I'm not really a party politic guy, but the Republicans did a terrible job." Russo went on to bash Republicans and praise Democrats "...they let Clemens off the hook. Waxman was great, Elijah Cummings was great from Maryland."
Without challenging that assessment, Rodriguez asked: "Why do you think, real quick, that they did a terrible job? There's some talk that maybe they were star struck?"
Russo then made this accusation:
I don't think they were star struck. I don't know why all of a sudden, maybe Clemens is friends with the Bush family, he's a Republican, whatever it might be, this came across on party lines. The Republican guys here did an atrocious job because they directed all their questions at Mcnamee and talked about his terrible job with credibility and laid -- let Clemens get off the hook. Terrible job.
Rodriguez then talked to Republican Congressman Darrell Issa about the hearing, and asked:
But how do you explain the fact that there was a clear divide, that the Democrats seemed to side with Mcnamee and the Republicans seemed to side with Roger Clemens? A lot of people are talking about this dissolving into basically a political squabble.
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
7:00AM TEASER:
HARRY SMITH: Drama on the Hill as baseball superstar Roger Clemens is finally under oath, accused of steroid use, but where were the high, hard questions?
7:01AM TEASER:
JULIE CHEN: We have a lot coming up this morning. It's a morning of news stories about character, beginning with what we learned about Roger Clemens and his wife during the four-hour congressional hearing. Just ahead, why some are saying the congressmen blew it. Were they simply star struck?
7:02AM SEGMENT:
MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: But first, we turn to CBS News Justice Correspondent Bob Orr on the show down between baseball great Roger Clemens and his former trainer.
BOB ORR: Even before legendary pitcher Roger Clemens, or his former personal trainer Brian Mcnamee, had a chance to speak, California Congressman Henry Waxman offered a judgment.
HENRY WAXMAN: Someone isn't telling the truth.
ORR: Then the two former friends stood side by side, took an oath and made Waxman's case.
ROGER CLEMENS: Let me be clear. I have never taken steroids or HGH.
BRIAN MCNAMEE: I injected those drugs into the body of Roger Clemens at his direction.
ORR: Mcnamee found support among Democrats, who challenged Clemens' denials, citing sworn statements from Yankee pitcher Andy Pettitte that Clemens had privately confessed to using performance enhancing drugs.
ELIJAH CUMMINGS: Mr. Clemens, do you think Mr. Pettitte was lying when he told a committee that you admitted using human growth hormones?
CLEMENS: Mr. Congressman, Andy Pettitte is my friend. I believe Andy has misheard, Mr. Congressman, on his comments about myself using HGH which never happened. I think he mis-remembers.
ORR: But many Republicans went after Mcnamee, accusing him of constantly changing his story and withholding evidence from federal prosecutors who are looking into baseball's steroids scandal.
DAN BURTON: You're here to tell the truth. You're here under oath. And yet we have lie, after lie, after lie, after lie.
ORR: Mcnamee, who claims he injected Clemens more than a dozen times between 1998 and 2001, offered an apology for tainting the national pastime. But Clemens showed only pride, repeatedly denying that he padded his baseball resume with illegal drugs.
CLEMENS: But you can tell your boys that I did it the right way and I worked my butt off to do it.
ORR: There's no question at least one of the witnesses, and perhaps both of them, lied under oath, and criminal charges could follow. Rogers Clemens' greatest test may not be over. Bob Orr, CBS News, Capitol Hill.
RODRIGUEZ: At the end of the hearing, the Chairman of the committee said he had not reached any conclusions that a criminal investigation should follow. Joining us now is Chris Russo, of radio's long-running sports talk show, 'Mike and the Mad Dog,' he followed the hearing closely. Good morning to you Chris.
CHRIS RUSSO: Good morning.
RODRIGUEZ: I know that you got a lot of calls, still getting a lot of calls, from your listeners about this. What was their take? Did they believe Roger Clemens?
RUSSO: Nobody believes Roger Clemens. Nobody in sports believes Clemens. Andy Pettitte's kills Clemens here because Pettitte's Clemens' teammate, and Clemens -- with -- Pettitte with his deposition said I had a conversation with Clemens about steroids in 1999. I did steroids, Chuck Knoblauch, another Yankee teammate, did steroids. So how could Brian Mcnamee be correct on two ex-Yankees doing steroids and lying about Clemens? So nobody in New York believes Roger Clemens.
RODRIGUEZ: Yeah, and even Roger Clemens yesterday said Andy Pettitte's his friend.
RUSSO: That's funny. He's got great credibility. So Clemens is in huge trouble. Throw in the fact that his wife did steroids in 2003, supposedly doesn't know about it, his trainer, Mcnamee, gives his wife steroids, doesn't know about it and keeps the trainer aboard, doesn't fire him. The whole thing is ridiculous, he's guilty.
RODRIGUEZ: Initially Clemens denies that the wife did that yesterday saying she did and she feels bad about it and has for years.
RUSSO: Inconsistencies all over the place with Clemens, and it obviously is going to hurt his legacy because he won three Cy Youngs following steroids.
RODRIGUEZ: So, what about the panel? Do you think they lobbed too many softballs at him?
RUSSO: I thought the panel for the most part did a pretty good job on the Democratic side. And I'm not really a party politic guy, but the Republicans did a terrible job. They put all these little pit bulls in here to kill Mcnamee, talking about his inconsistencies, he has no credibility. In Tennessee, Burton from Indiana, ‘Aunt Bee’ Foxx from North Carolina. These Republicans, Shays, my district in Connecticut, did a terrible job because they let Clemens off the hook. Waxman was great, Elijah Cummings was great from Maryland.
RODRIGUEZ: Why do you think, real quick, that they did a terrible job? There's some talk that maybe they were star struck?
RUSSO: I don't think they were star struck. I don't know why all of a sudden, maybe Clemens is friends with the Bush family, he's a Republican, whatever it might be, this came across on party lines. The Republican guys here did an atrocious job because they directed all their questions at Mcnamee and talked about his terrible job with credibility and laid -- let Clemens get off the hook. Terrible job.
RODRIGUEZ: Alright Chris, thank you very much.
RUSSO: You got it.
RODRIGUEZ: We want to get in a Republican panel --
RUSSO: Issa.
RODRIGUEZ: For right now, give him a chance to respond to this. Joining us from Washington, a Congressman who sits on the committee, was there yesterday, Representative Darrell Issa from California. Good morning to you Congressman.
DARRELL ISSA: Good morning Maggie. And I think you've got to put Mad Dog back on his leash. You know, if you can't see the opening remark of almost 20 minutes that Henry Waxman did after saying this was going to be about the credibility of the Mitchell Report, it was going to wrap up the work we began in 2005, and what he did instead is he went after an attack on one person who probably used steroids at a time in which almost everybody used steroids. That wasn't what the hearing should have been about. It wasn't credible for us to do it. That's not our job in Congress. So yes, members of Congress went after a person who basically lied about date rape, who lied about his Ph.D., et cetera, because, in fact, bringing balance became one of the things that we could do while, in fact, we shouldn't even have been having these hearings, the way it was and on the subject it was.
RODRIGUEZ: But Congressman --
ISSA: Steroids is an important issue in baseball, but it's not the issue we dealt with yesterday.
RODRIGUEZ: But how do you explain the fact that there was a clear divide, that the Democrats seemed to side with Mcnamee and the Republicans seemed to side with Roger Clemens? A lot of people are talking about this dissolving into basically a political squabble.
ISSA: Well, first of all, nobody -- and I was there for almost the entire hearing without just a little break -- basically I didn't hear one Republican say, 'I believe Roger Clemens.' I didn't hear one Republican say 'he's credible as to whether or not he used steroids or human growth hormone.' And by the way, the Dog ought to figure out his wife was human growth hormone, not steroids. The fact is, though, that what we saw was we saw Congress being abused by a chairman who decided he was going to go after a vendetta against one individual. Look, Roger Clemens, like so many people in professional sports, probably got caught up in every way to get an edge at a time in which people were getting edge. In 2005, we called the use of steroids cheating.
RODRIGUEZ: Um-hm.
ISSA: The problem we have now for Cooperstown is, in fact, probably everybody was cheating in one way or the other. Yesterday was a tragedy because Roger -- Pettitte, who said he wasn't sure, he went through multiple different depositions that were not like Mr. Waxman painted it, was excused. While a pathological liar, from what we could tell, and a man guilty of multiple different criminal activities, in fact, was brought up as the accuser. Look, Roger Clemens probably is like everyone else, caught up in professional baseball in his time, but that wasn't what we were supposed to do. We're not -- we're not supposed to have these kinds of spectacles.
RODRIGUEZ: Okay, Congressman, thank you very much for your time. I want to bring you in, Chris, real quick for, you know, your response to that.
RUSSO: I didn't hear that entirely, but here's the issue about Issa that drives you crazy. How is he going to deny Roger Clemens' did steroids? If Andy Pettitte, same trainer, said I did steroids twice and yes I had a conversation in '99 and 2000 with Roger about steroids and Chuck Knoblauch said the same thing, how does Darrell Issa say 'well, I'm not sure about Roger Clemens.' Explain to me that. Plus Issa following the issue yesterday with his nanny, who showed up with Jose Canseco.
RODRIGUEZ: Yeah, we're out of time. It looks like we have a new chapter of this, Issa versus Russo. So this is getting even more complicated. Thank you very much to both of you.
RUSSO: Oh thanks for having me, appreciate it.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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Quick thought on Clemens
February 14, 2008 - 16:01 ET by LionKingHere is my quick thought on Clemens and the possibility of a perjury charge:
Try this question: Mr. Petite, did you ever WITNESS Roger Clemens use HGH or steroids?
These are 2 very different questions. The first question still fails under hearsay.
Also, I personally think Congressional involvment in this is a tremendous waste of taxpayer money.
I got to a TV and watched
February 14, 2008 - 18:24 ET by Gat New YorkI got to a TV and watched the testimony. The whole thing was a waste of time. Russo making this a political debate is as stupid as Waxman for calling this.
I never liked Clemens even when he was a Yankee. In this case his arrogance is getting the better of him. All he had to do was tell the truth and none of this would be an issue.
But like Barry Bonds these guys think they are above it all and will deny it till the bitter end. Unfortunately it could both of them the Hall of Fame. Maybe both of them can share a jail cell over perjury.
What the heck does Congress
February 14, 2008 - 16:06 ET by mattmWhat the heck does Congress have to do with this issue anyway? Is Baseball a government function?
My objection to what the Republicans did was in that they allowed this travesty to occur at all - but then maybe they had no choice, seeing as how the Dems control the House and Senate.
As far as CBS goes, what else is new? Tyrants tyrannize while the press scolds the defender of the individual and cheers on the oppressors.
Why?
February 14, 2008 - 16:36 ET by kgWhy is the U.S. Congress wasting time with this?
Isn't this a baseball league problem?
Shouldn't this be a police
investigation?
Why isn't congress doing their job and working for the people
instead if investigating a baseball player about illegal drug use?
What is
congress's job description anyway?
Is this just a new way to waste tax
dollars????
My thought exactly, matt.
February 14, 2008 - 16:56 ET by motherbeltMy thought exactly, matt. I said as much yesterday when my husband was watching it on TV.
And add in the fact that Biden or Specter was talking about looking into that "scandal" about the training tapes or spying or whatever in the NFL and you think: is there anything in this world that they think they do not have the right to oversee?
Why is Congress involved?
February 15, 2008 - 12:45 ET by Conservative BluesCongress can get involved with major league baseball and the NFL because each league has an anti-trust exemption. Our lawmakers have to police them, always with the threat of pulling that exemption.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Understandable but . . .
February 15, 2008 - 16:15 ET by Gat New YorkThey did their job by forcing MLB to enact a strict drug enforcement policy.
But the circus of McNamee and Clemens was a joke. They did not commission the Mitchell Report - MLB did. The findings are what they are. If someone has a problem they can sue MLB.
Rule of Law was the deciding factor
February 14, 2008 - 16:09 ET by bfrankThe Dems wanted to show how busy they are doing this 'important' inquiry. The other side wants to get the facts and showed the absence of facts. It is all heresay.
Clemens: the divide
February 14, 2008 - 16:09 ET by LionKingMy guess is that maybe the Republicans at least try to give the accused the benefit of the doubt...what's that called again?...
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!
[A lot of people sure are judging this man without even knowing the facts. A personal note: I am not even a Clemens fan.]
Here is the problem with
February 14, 2008 - 18:28 ET by Gat New YorkHere is the problem with that argument. Clemens was never going to be charged with anything over the Mitchell Report. The only reason he is in trouble is he placed himself in that situation. He has now perjured himself to a Congressional Committee and now can be charged with witness tampering thanks to his crack team of attorneys. In this case Roger Clemens is making himself guilty.
GNY... Just how exactly
February 14, 2008 - 18:37 ET by bigtimerGNY...
Just how exactly did he perjure himself?
He defended himself against the findings in the Mitchell report, btw..that sleazy lawyer who helped write but all the Mitchell report seemed to be lying and not intentionally doing his homework himself...he seemed like a real piece of work himself.
I don't know if I were defending my reputation against lies from others I would do the same thing,.
Sleazy lawyer
February 14, 2008 - 18:44 ET by DelsaBigtimer, your perfect discription of the mitchel lawyer who wrote the report as "sleazy" is too generous.
He should be disbarred for his putting forward total inuendo.
You are really kind to him.
Hi Delsa... Thanks by the
February 14, 2008 - 18:51 ET by bigtimerHi Delsa...
Thanks by the way for your earlier post, I am in between things this time of day...I wonder who really watched all of the hearing..
What Pelosi and her ilk did today in the House is beyond disgraceful, this is typical waste of tax-payer money...but since the hearing was on I got to watching it and it was all but obvious to me who the bad guys were.
Heck, I don't watch much baseball until the end of the season...so I really do not have a dog in this fight....but that lawyer was unbelievable.
He said vs. They said
February 15, 2008 - 10:06 ET by Gat New YorkIt is Brian McNamee's word against Clemens. The problem for Clemens is that he has no one to corroborate his story. Pettite and Knoblach corroborate McNamee's story.
There was no surprise in the Mitchell Report including the fact that they only investigated the Yankees and Mets given Mitchell's personal association with the Red Sox and Disney (ESPN).
I find it ironic that the best hitter and the best pitcher of the steroid era were both caught, both lied, and both will have a rough road getting into the Hall of Fame.
I also find it sad that both players did not need to use any enhancements since they were the best before that. It was the fact that they both wanted to be the best of all time.
What any of this has to do with Congressional hearings I don't know. While it was good theatre it was a complete waste of time and many of those Representatives on both sides embarrassed themselves.
So we had 4 1/2 hours of steroid hearings and no FISA bill.
I commented about this
February 14, 2008 - 16:15 ET by bigtimerI commented about this yesterday on OT when the hearing was still going on, I caught the rest late last night, in the meantime I saw all the talking heads and the so-called sportscasters on various shows including Imus's show...I was furious with the spin they had, as far as I am concerned they must not of watched the hearing or they are all flaming leftists with no brains.
I hope Clemens sues and sues big time in a civil court.
I also have no dog in this fight, I just got caught up in the hearing yesterday morning...I am glad I did now...the sleazy manager McNamee or whatever his name is, is just that a sleazy lying scumbag.
the dems were made fools that they always are during this waste of our tax paying dollars...
...but heck they are letting the FISA bill expire because they say they do not have the time, but they have time for this.
They make me ill.
Meanwhile at Clinton's impeachment hearings....
February 14, 2008 - 16:16 ET by Gary HallMeanwhile at Clinton's impeachment hearings.... somehow, I don't recall a heck of a lot of network news reports where it was suggested that the Republicans had done a terrific job, but the Democrats were terrible. And why is that? "There's some talk that maybe the Democrats were star struck, and many of them might have let their loyality to the Democrat party get in thier way -- and that's just not right."
LOL
"CBS" makes a better headline, but...
February 14, 2008 - 16:38 ET by sarcasmo"Mad Dog" would be a lot closer to the truth.
And to answer Mattm's question, yes. Baseball's a legislated monopoly with an exemption from the anti-trust laws other businesses must follow in our "capitalist" system. The reasons for this are beyond me, but saying anything the least bit negative about the monopoly is viewed as tantamount to unpatriotic, even by those who like to call themselves "capitalists."
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Russo
February 14, 2008 - 16:45 ET by PeterDPlease don't give an creedence to the words that spew out of Chris Russo's mouth. In New York here, most people recognize him as a complete fool who is often clueless. He is half of the "Mike & The Mad Dog" sports talk radio program. He has for years been trying to cross over to TV but can't. He is the Mad Dog for good reason. He makes his living talking sports and often makes a fool of himself.
Russo talking politics is like a Clinton (pick one) talking about ethics.
Good one!
February 14, 2008 - 18:30 ET by Gat New Yorkperfect analogy.
What authority does
February 14, 2008 - 16:48 ET by rimskyWhat authority does Congress really have here? Why does any of this need to be played out in a congressional hearing? If there have been crimes committed, can't our law enforcement agencies and courts take care of this? Why does Congress need to butt in?
"directed all their
February 14, 2008 - 16:50 ET by jezebelle"directed all their questions at Mcnamee and talked about his terrible job with credibility and laid -- let Clemens get off the hook."
I know it's not a trial but isn't there a little itty bitty thing in our constitution that says innocent until proven guilty..jussayin.
Nothing in the
February 14, 2008 - 17:54 ET by Dan The Man 2Nothing in the Constitution.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Burton came off as fawning.
February 14, 2008 - 17:06 ET by balboaBurton came off as fawning. Clemens came off as spinning his wheels. McNamee came off as not a great guy.
Waxman came off as the smug
February 14, 2008 - 17:09 ET by fitzfongWaxman came off as the smug waste of space (not to mention waste of taxpayer money) that we've come to expect.
Burton spoke the facts and
February 14, 2008 - 17:12 ET by bigtimerBurton spoke the facts and the truth while Lynch Ma. just wanted to lynch Clemens along with Cummings...to name a few.
He spoke facts while
February 14, 2008 - 17:16 ET by balboaHe spoke facts while injecting a lot of peripheral smoke up Clemens butt.
Oh well boa..we all see
February 14, 2008 - 17:18 ET by bigtimerOh well boa..we all see things differently now don't we.
Don't let the smoke get in your eyes.
"Roger Clemens is a
February 14, 2008 - 17:52 ET by balboa"Roger Clemens is a baseball -- he's a titan in baseball"
And that's relevant because....? That's not pointless?
The sports media,
February 14, 2008 - 17:07 ET by fitzfongThe sports media, especially as it relates to baseball, has to be the most ignorant and sanctimonious collection of blowhards you're ever likely to see. They believe that they have the power to build people up and to break people down...and since so many sports junkies put their trust in half-a**ed outfits like ESPN and sports radio, these media jackasses probably do have that much power. This is a Congressional Investigation...I thought that the point of an investigation was to get to the truth, not to put someone like Roger Clemens "on the hook". And what, exactly, is the government's interest in "steroid abuse" in baseball? Haven't they more important concerns to address than whether or not some entertainers took "performance-enhancing drugs"? If they don't, why do we need them? I guess nothing drives campaign contributions more than some self-serving public finger wagging.
Good points fitz... I
February 14, 2008 - 19:04 ET by bigtimerGood points fitz...
I would love to see all of Congress be drug tested....TOMORROW! Many of us are forced to be by their very laws.
You wanna' bet we would have a lot less in Congress by the time they got the results.
Sanctimonious b#st#rds.
Congress has all the
February 14, 2008 - 17:09 ET by ConservativeRexCongress has all the business done for the year. There are no more bills to be contemplated, nothing to put in front of the President so hopefully he can veto it. No new road repair money to be allocated. The needs of all of our beloved soldiers in the field have been met.
Now and only now can Congress look into who is getting shot in the butt with horse pee-pee. This is one of, if not THE, most shameful Congresses in the last 100 years. And furthermore, everything, and I mean everything ,is political for Dems. It staggers the imagination. This is not just my opinion, see how they gripe about how the questions were asked. I am sick of the whole damn bunch of 'em.
Republican's terrible job
February 14, 2008 - 17:12 ET by merlin61I agree with KG. Why is Congress involved in
this at all? They don't have enough to do? Why
aren't they doing what Pres. Bush asked for today.
The only thing they know is investigations that
lead to nowhere and get nothing accomplished.
Taxpayer money wasted again!
The terrible job is not
February 14, 2008 - 17:17 ET by Clear thinkerThe terrible job is not what the Republicans did or did not say in this hearing, it's that they even bothered to sit on this commitee.
This is NOT taking care of the people's business!
Set the GOP back on the right course. http://gopteaparty.com/
Once again Bigtimer Speaks the truth
February 14, 2008 - 18:07 ET by Delsathe democrats wanted to feel important. Clemens came across just fine. Republicans came across fine. Democrats want to run every square inch of our lives. Get out of here and as for Mad Dog, I understand where he gets his name as he is truly mad as in crazy.
Just like Burton said. The dems were hanging their hat on Lie after lie after lie. And for what? to have some sort of show trial? They looked stupid and if it were not for free tickets to ball games, the democrats would never attend the sport. I mean they do not know the meaning of paying their own way.
The guys with the least talent in the world going after the greats with inuendo and smear. Par for the coarse.
As for doing the nations business? I guess that is what they did today when allowing the FISA act to go poof? At least Nancy Pelosi will get to her F'n wedding tomorrow on time.
Hope the bus they are in gets flat tires, in some remote area of the United States and they never come back tgo DC
Now what were we talking about?
Even though Mad Dog made
February 14, 2008 - 18:10 ET by balboaEven though Mad Dog made this a left and right thing, it's really not. As for "guys with the least talent," that doesn't really apply to Andy Pettitte who is not only wildly talented but one of Clemens' good friends. Now why would he lie about this? What would be his angle?
He just may not be telling
February 14, 2008 - 18:14 ET by bigtimerHe just may not be telling the truth himself boa...do you even consider that? Prosecuters cut deals boa behind the scenes..big time...including that sleaze bag McNamee (sp)..they do not like to lose, they will try to set people up to cop a plea...think about it.
Sure, but I don't know what
February 14, 2008 - 18:53 ET by balboaSure, but I don't know what kind of deal Pettitte would be able to swing.
Balboa Heads Up
February 14, 2008 - 18:25 ET by DelsaBalboa Heads UP.
The guys with the LEAST talent are in the CONGRESS !!!!!!!!! NOT THE STADIUM! Get it?
I know who Andy Pettitte is and i heard what his relationship is to Clemens.
Why would he lie? His good friend doesn't think Andy is telling a fib. He believes there was a miscommunication during a conversation during a TV commercial.
Why, if they are such great friends, and if Andy knew Roger was taking the talent enhancing steroids, didn't Andy let Roger know he was taking injections?
I think it is that the little creep giving the injections was telling prospective clients, hey, don't tell Roger i told you this but he takes steroids, and if you want to be like him you should too. Maybe that is how his conversations went with other players.
he was making himself big man on campus by saying i take of all the big guys let me take care of you.
Clemens has taken this jerk to court so we shall see. For a liar, Clemens is really going all out to sweep this under the rug?/?
re: Congress -- whoops. My
February 14, 2008 - 18:50 ET by balboare: Congress -- whoops. My misunderstanding.
As for Clemens saying Pettitte "misremembered" the conversation...seems like a big thing to "misremember."
Clemens isn't going "all out" IMO. Congress subpoenaed him, I believe.
Many slimy people in this whole thing.
whoops. It's ok
February 14, 2008 - 18:55 ET by DelsaActually i think clemens requested to speek to them. I do not think he was ordered to be there. At least i know he wanted to attend the meeting
HGH is NOT a steroid.
February 14, 2008 - 18:54 ET by NL207HGH is NOT a steroid. Pettite says Clemens told him he was doing HGH, not steroids. There is a difference. There was a time neither were banned from most sports, then for a long time steroids were prohibited but not HGH. Only recently has HGH joined anabolic steroids as a banned substance in most professional sports.
MLB didn't ban HGH until 2005. Clemens' time with Petitie was mostly with the Yankees, ending in 2003 there, and ended in 2005 with the Astros. He didn't play full seasons with either the Astros or Yankees in 2006 and 2007.
My take: the Rocket didn't break any rules and his use of HGH was neither illegal nor contrary to the rules of his sport as long as it wasn't contrary to the prescribed uses og HGH and not prohiblted by MLB. McNamee's accusations clearly date from the time he was Clemens' trainer and that was after 1998 and before 2005, when HGH wasn't prohibited.
True you are NL207
February 14, 2008 - 19:04 ET by Delsamore than 20 years ago, my doctor orderd deep tissue injections for me of B12, and another B vitamin called panicebrin (i think that is how it is spelled) and HGH and HGF. i could take the hgh and hgf in pill form too.
I have low blood sugar and the healing properties of the hgh and hgf respectivly were benifits he wanted me to have.
Your local health food store carried them. For an athelete who has injury, i can see the use of the HGH.
Your recap of the Clemens situation is spot on. He is clean as they come and he knows HGH is a healer not a killer or a drug. That is why during the hearing, he suggested some people think it helps you and some even think a fountain of youth product like VC and other natural suppliments.
This is such bull.
And Waxman needs a nose job. just sayin
Too bad the writers have
February 14, 2008 - 18:27 ET by BuffNBoneToo bad the writers have been strike otherwise we'd see the "Law and Order" version of this next week.
Always remember it is the majority party who sets the agenda for when and what Congress deals with.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Where is the perjury
February 14, 2008 - 18:41 ET by DelsaPerjury? Where is the perjury? What you have is different stories. To prove perjury you have to determine lied. In other words, you have to have a lie. Therefore you have to know who the liar is.
No perjury. And as for witness tampering, without hearing from Clemen's attorney's as to the situation surrounding the issue, there is no tampering either.
There will be no charges brought by the house. No perjury having to do with a material fact.
Holly crap, you can't even find a "material fact".
Clemens is dirty
February 14, 2008 - 18:45 ET by MikeknaJYou've got to be kidding me, people.
Sure, Clemens is innocent until proven guilty - in a legal sense. But right now he looks to be as dirty as a dog in a mud pit. And the Republicans did themselves no favors by appearing to be star struck and giving him the kid gloves treatment.
I hate to give the Dems credit, but where it's due it's due. And while I don't think congress should be wasting their time on this, since they are they might as well use their time properly. Clemens has the weight of evidence against him right now and he deserves to get hard questioning on the subject; if he perjured himself (and I think he did), he deserves jail. He looks to be as dirty as Bonds was, and their star status should not protect either one of them from the consequences of their actions. Especially when young kids look up to them and are modeling their careers after the choices they made.
If you look at any polling on a sports site, be it SI or ESPN, you'll see that the vast majority of the sports world agrees - Clemens is playing the arrogant fool whose hubris will be his downfall.
"The shadow proves the sunshine" - Switchfoot
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Sports Polls?
February 14, 2008 - 18:52 ET by DelsaSports polls? as in lets vote to see if he is guilty? Sports polls?
Who's kidding who?
Mj.. Right ...trial by
February 14, 2008 - 18:57 ET by bigtimerMj..
Right ...trial by msm...and the dems in Congress.
I don't have to go to the sites you mentioned to see the polls, heck you just had to listen to every single network, they should just hang the guy and get it over with according to all of them.
Leave it to a Huckabee
February 14, 2008 - 19:12 ET by fitzfongLeave it to a Huckabee supporter to want government to stick its nose where it doesn't belong. "For the chiiiillll-drennn"!
And as for polling the audience of SI readers and ESPN viewers, I'd question the intelligence of anyone who spends that much time listening to gasbags like Jim Rome, Skip Bayliss, Tony Kornheiser and Woody Paige.
Maybe you should read
February 14, 2008 - 19:22 ET by MikeknaJMaybe you should read before you stereotype. I stated that I didn't think congress should be wasting their time with this in the first place. Or is it just easier to insult someone because you don't like Huckabee?
So nice you to insult sports fans while you were at it, btw.
The level of dialogue here sometime is depressingly childish - always resorting to the name calling, insults, and stereotypes. It's like visiting Crooks & Liars or DailyKos. Conservatives should be better than that.
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mj... I for one am sick
February 14, 2008 - 19:33 ET by bigtimermj...
I for one am sick of you complaining about this site and the level of dialogue here...if you don't like it get out of the kitchen.
There is no comparison to Kos and other leftist sites...none.
JMO of course.
I don't know. Maybe I will.
February 14, 2008 - 19:43 ET by MikeknaJI don't know. Maybe I will. I enjoy reading the site in general but maybe I should stop posting because frankly I don't get the immaturity sometimes.
I honestly wonder why so many people who are otherwise quite intelligent, I'm sure, have to resort to the kind of childish posting that goes on here so often. It IS Kos-like. Why? Because it resorts to emotion, stereotyping, and mocking, rather than dialogue that focuses on reason, facts, and most of all respect.
And since I think highly of conservatives and conservatism, it bothers me to see that sort of behavior going on in the name of conservatism. Why not raise the level of dialogue? Why wallow around in the kind of behavior that you see from Jr. Highers, not adults? What is wrong with expecting, or even demanding, that readers treat fellow readers respectfully and like adults? It not only makes the site look better, but it also makes conservatives on the whole look better. Just my thoughts.
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Yo MikenknaJ
February 14, 2008 - 19:52 ET by DelsaI hope i didn't name call. I am a baseball fan when the playoffs are going on.
anyway you shouldn't take alot of this too seriously. And remember sometimes people don't read entire conversations. Like from the first comment to the last.
I do not think you should compair this site to dailykosssssssss.
That could ruffle some feathers AND you really should stay away from polls
No, it's cool :) The
February 14, 2008 - 19:54 ET by MikeknaJNo, it's cool :)
The reason I mentioned the polls on the sports sites is that it's sports fans who are following this story the closest, and it's sports fans who know Clemens best, and it's also sports fans who have the most reason to be attached to Clemens and want him to be innocent. Yet it's those same people who now believe him to be shady, by over 80%.
Sure, it's just a non-scientific poll. But it's also very telling.
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You mike have been
February 14, 2008 - 19:59 ET by bigtimerYou mike have been complaining about the dialogue on this site for quite awhile...I for one wonder what your agenda is.
Nobody has called you names ect...if you act as if you are so above us all it isn't going to get you anywhere, just post your differences, we will too.
I'm not acting like I'm
February 14, 2008 - 21:11 ET by MikeknaJI'm not acting like I'm above anyone.
Is it so wrong to merely suggest that people can dialogue and disagree respectfully without resorting to childish and rude behavior?
The only times I mention this are when said behavior manifests itself. I just don't see the point, in a forum that is supposed to be about raising the dialogue and the standards. Why should we expect respect from liberals if we don't even respect each other?
"The shadow proves the sunshine" - Switchfoot
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"But right now he looks to
February 14, 2008 - 21:38 ET by fitzfong"But right now he looks to be as dirty as a dog in a mud pit."
"He looks to be as dirty as Bonds was, and their star status should not protect either one of them from the consequences of their actions."
"Clemens is playing the arrogant fool whose hubris will be his downfall."
I see, this is "raising the dialogue and the standards". However, when this dialogue is directed at one of your sacred cows, it's "childish and rude". Now that I know the rules...
There's nothing wrong with
February 14, 2008 - 21:43 ET by balboaThere's nothing wrong with those statements. They're not degrading.
And which ones are?
February 14, 2008 - 21:46 ET by fitzfongAnd which ones are?
Describing the hole
February 14, 2008 - 21:49 ET by MikeknaJDescribing the hole someone dug themself is different from just calling someone a name. And my last sentence you quoted was a comparison to a classic literary character-type and theme, which I believe to be accurate.
You know, if you can't see the difference between what I wrote there and an actual personal insult to a fellow site member, then I don't have much else to say here.
Have a nice evening.
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Mj... Oh get over
February 14, 2008 - 21:58 ET by bigtimerMj...
Oh get over yourself.
Please move on...we all treat each other with respect most of the time here, you have been crying wolf for absolutely no reason for quite awhile now....that I know of...yet.
LOL...smile...things will get better..if we work together on this little problem you seem to have.
Oh, I see. Someone called
February 14, 2008 - 22:03 ET by fitzfongOh, I see. Someone called you a name? Really? Who?
By the way, is accusing someone of being "dirty" or an "arrogant fool" not "name calling"? These new rules...
:)
February 14, 2008 - 20:00 ET by DelsaI get it.
Oh, yes. The DailyKos
February 14, 2008 - 20:28 ET by fitzfongOh, yes. The DailyKos moral equivalency "argument"...how original.
If, as you suggest, you believe that Congress shouldn't be wasting "their" time (as if we weren't the ones paying for it) with this, then the argument should end right there. But typical of any populist streak, such an argument can be circumvented if a "greater good" can be attached to it (a technique that Mike Huckabee, with his Wal-Mart vs. Wall Street rhetoric, is not above using). In other words, even if the steroids in baseball issue is beyond the scope of Congressional jurisdiction, self-serving populist politicians will find justifications, no matter how flimsy, to get out in front of the issue. They will use sham vehicles like this public hearing to generate favorable press for themselves and they will create straw man beneficiaries (i.e. "the children") to "learn" from the examples Congress is making of people like Roger Clemens. And, as these hearings are subject to the uncritical and highly favorable media coverage delivered by the likes of ESPN and SI, viewers and readers are inclined to believe that this ridiculous government overreach is a good thing.
By the way, thank you for making me aware that ESPN and SI poll participants constitute the entirety of "sports fans". But it strikes me as interesting that you would seek solace with the "everybody says" brigade to determine the merits of Roger Clemens' behavior. Here I was thinking that we sports fans are individuals who can think for ourselves...now I understand that my opinions on sports must fall into line with those of ESPN and SI poll participants to have any validity whatsoever. Maybe before I rail about Congressional kangaroo courts the next time, I should consider that real sports fans enjoy this kind of "Government Oversight", and I surely wouldn't want to go against the populist grain. Would I?
The only ones who deserve
February 14, 2008 - 20:23 ET by ckc1227The only ones who deserve jail in this are those who decided it was a good idea to waste taxpayer time and money over a freaking baseball game.
But..but..its for the CHILDREN! If its for the children, maybe they should go after whoever it is telling the children to use steroids to get ahead in the first place, cuz last time I checked, it wasn"t Major League Baseball, or Roger Clemens, or Barry Bonds either telling the poor "children" to use steroids, as these people are doing everything they can to keep their steroid use as secret as possible.
Besides, aren"t there already laws on the books concerning illegal drug use? What"s next, congressional hearings on Amy Winehouse"s use of illegal substances to enhance her performances?
We have officially entered the twilight zone.
Strong Opinion and Great Conversation
February 14, 2008 - 20:15 ET by DelsaStrong Opinion, Varying Opinion and Great Conversation otherwise known as Discourse, are found here.
I am a new comer and really enjoy the give and take. This site is loaded with Debate.
The aformentioned is fun as well as thought provoking. Especially for a dyslexic like me.
My spelling and typos are politely forgiven.
To which I say thank you
Chris Russo generally votes
February 15, 2008 - 05:22 ET by nythatesusaChris Russo generally votes Republican. He voted for Bush in 2004. And the Republicans did do a terrible job at the hearings. I say this as a conservative and a Yankee fan.
alright, this whole thing
February 15, 2008 - 10:51 ET by seaniepalright, this whole thing ridiculous!!!!!!! don't we have troops in 2 combat zones? don't we have a border problem? FISA? hell, I will even say global warming and healthcare - even though they are BS, at least its something to discuss that freakin matters
I watched rambo the other night, why isn't sly stallone sitting in front of congress about steroids? what about arnold? ed norton in American History X?
this is just stupid
Waxman's nostrils are wider
February 15, 2008 - 12:54 ET by Jack BauerWaxman's nostrils are wider than the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel.
Greg Gutfeld, Redeye
I did not realize how short
February 15, 2008 - 16:17 ET by Gat New YorkI did not realize how short Waxman is. He must be about 5 feet tall.
GNY... ...if
February 15, 2008 - 16:29 ET by bigtimerGNY...
...if that!
LOL...