'60 Minutes:' U.S. Military as Bad as Taliban

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In a segment on Sunday’s "60 Minutes," anchor Scott Pelley described how "The enemy has killed hundreds of civilians this year, but surprisingly, almost the same number of civilians have been killed by American and allied forces." Pelley focused on U.S. air strikes citing a statistic from the liberal group Human Rights Watch: "So far this year, 17 air strikes have killed more than 270 civilians, according to the humanitarian organization Human Rights Watch."

Pelley introduced the segment by exclaiming that:

It's been six years since the liberation of Afghanistan, but the fighting there now is the greatest it's been since the start of the war, and more civilians are dying...With relatively few troops on the ground, the U.S. And NATO rely on air power, and civilian deaths from air strikes have doubled. Now, there's concern that those deaths are undermining Afghan support for the war.

Of course framing the story in this way followed the typical mainstream media template of suggesting that the war in Iraq has diverted resources from where they are needed and that U.S. actions are a cause of anti-Americanism throughout the world.

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Pelley went on to describe one particular U.S. air strike that resulted in the deaths of nine Afghan civilians and a young boy who was the sole survivor:


There were no enemy combatants. It was four generations of one family, all killed in the air strike: An 85-year-old man, four women and four children, ranging in age from five years to seven months. One boy survived. The night of the bombing, seven-year-old Mujib happened to be staying with his uncle, Gulam Nabi.

Of course, Pelley made only brief mention of the fact that the father of this family was a suspected Taliban leader that U.S. forces had been searching for. Pelley did however spend time talking to local Afghan civilians about their reaction to the strike:

UNKNOWN MAN ( Translated ): During the Russian invasion, we haven't heard of ten members of one family being killed by Russians in one incident. But the Americans did that.

PELLEY: These Afghans, like many others, are trying to decide whether to support the U.S. backed government. We expected anger, but we didn't expect this. You can't be saying that the Soviets were kinder to your people than the Americans have been.

UNKNOWN MAN B( Translated ): We used to hate the Russians much more than Americans. But now when we see all this happening, I am telling you Russians behaved much better than the Americans.

PELLEY: Really, there's no comparison. The Soviets killed something like a million Afghans over ten years. But it's the kind of thing that Afghans are saying...

In addition to citing the Human Rights Watch figures, Pelley also relied upon the analysis of an HRW military analyst, Marc Garlasco, for the report. At one point, Garlasco lamented "There's this macabre kind of calculus that the military goes through on every air strike, where they try to figure out how many dead civilians is a dead bad guy worth." Pelley discussed Garlasco’s experience as "a chief of high-value targeting at the start of the Iraq war":

PELLEY: Garlasco says, that before the invasion of Iraq, he recommended 50 air strikes aimed at high-value targets: Iraqi officials. How many high-value targets were taken out in those strikes?

GARLASCO: None of the targets on our target list were actually killed.

PELLEY: How many civilians were killed in those strikes?

GARLASCO: We're looking at...a couple of hundred civilians, at least.

PELLEY: A couple of hundred civilians?

GARLASCO: Uh-huh.

PELLEY: And not a single bad guy killed?

Garlasco also offered the concluding thoughts that "You have to ask yourself, is a mid-level thug worth nine dead civilians? But it goes beyond that....You then take people who maybe were in a pro-government area, and all of a sudden you're turning them against you and turning them towards the Taliban."

This is not the first time that Garlasco has condemned an air stirke. In June 2006 he condemned a supposed Israeli air strike against Palestinians in Gaza according to "The New York Times":

But Human Rights Watch, which has been investigating Israeli shelling in Gaza, said of the deaths, which occurred at a Gaza beach, "The evidence we have gathered strongly suggests Israeli artillery fire was to blame."...An American expert working with Human Rights Watch, Marc Garlasco...said that he had visited the beach the day after the explosion, and that the crater size, the shrapnel and the location of injuries on the bodies all pointed to "a shell dropping from the sky, not explosives under the sand."

However, it was later proved a week later by an investigation by the Israel Defense Forces that the blast was accidental and not an intentional Israeli attack according to "The Jerusalem Post":

On Monday, Maj.-Gen. Meir Klifi - head of the IDF inquiry commission that cleared the IDF of responsibility for the blast - met with Marc Garlasco, a military expert from the HRW who had last week claimed that the blast was caused by an IDF artillery shell. Following the three-hour meeting, described by both sides as cordial and pleasant, Garlasco praised the IDF's professional investigation into the blast, which he said was most likely caused by unexploded Israeli ordnance left laying on the beach, a possibility also raised by Klifi and his team.

Of course Pelley had no hesitation accepting Garlesco’s analysis of air strikes in Afghanistan.

Pelley ended the segment on this optimistic note as he said to Afghanistan’s President, Hamid Karzai:

There is one young boy who is the sole survivor from that house, a seven-year- old boy named Mujib. We asked him what he thought of the Americans. And as you might expect, he said, "I hate them."

Here is the full transcript of the segment:

7:00PM TEASER:

SCOTT PELLEY: You are asking the American government to roll back the air strikes. Do I understand you?

HAMID KARZAI: Absolutely, oh, yes, in clear words.

PELLEY: Afghanistan's president is talking about American air strikes that have killed nearly 300 civilians this year. How does it happen? We found answers in this secret Air Force control center that's never been seen on television before tonight. We can't tell you where it is, but we can tell you that every mission over Iraq and Afghanistan is run from here. And what are all those points on the map?

GARY CROWDER: The points on the map, each one of those is an individual aircraft.

7:04PM SEGEMENT:

SCOTT PELLEY: It's been six years since the liberation of Afghanistan, but the fighting there now is the greatest it's been since the start of the war, and more civilians are dying. The enemy has killed hundreds of civilians this year, but surprisingly, almost the same number of civilians have been killed by American and allied forces. With relatively few troops on the ground, the U.S. And NATO rely on air power, and civilian deaths from air strikes have doubled. Now, there's concern that those deaths are undermining Afghan support for the war. We took a closer look at one American air strike from last spring. At the time, the Army said that there were unconfirmed reports that nine people died in a battle with the enemy. But when we asked for more information, the Army wouldn't tell us anything else, so we went to see for ourselves. Our journey took us through Afghanistan up the Shomali plain, north of the capital, Kabul. The Taliban are active here, so we hired Panjshiri mercenaries to cover our trip. The scene of the air strike is a village in the hills above Kapisa Province. We found the dead buried in a cornfield. There were no enemy combatants. It was four generations of one family, all killed in the air strike: An 85-year-old man, four women and four children, ranging in age from five years to seven months. One boy survived. The night of the bombing, seven-year-old Mujib happened to be staying with his uncle, Gulamn Nabi.

GULAMN NABI ( translated ): Some of the bodies were missing a hand or a leg or half a head. We recognized one of them only by the clothes she was wearing.

PELLEY: And who was the person you recognized?

NABI: It was Mujib's mother.

MUJIB ( translated ): I saw my mom, my sisters, and my brother and my grandfather were dead. And our house was destroyed.

PELLEY: Mujib's father was not there. He's accused of being a local Taliban leader. The U.S. Has been searching for him, with no luck. The air strike came the night of March the 4th. An Army press release says it started after enemy forces fired a rocket at this U.S. Base above the village. The rocket fell, causing no coalition casualties; in fact, missing the fire base altogether. Then U.S. pilots saw two men with AK-47 rifles leaving the scene of the rocket attack and entering a compound in the village. The fort, which is on the hill over there, began raining down mortar fire on this location, mortar fire that came down for about an hour. It was night time, and even though there were no U.S. forces in contact with the enemy on the ground, a decision was made after the mortars to call in an air strike. U.S. Air force aircraft dropped two bombs on this neighborhood, each one weighing 2,000 pounds. This is what it looks like when a ton of high explosives hits a house made of mud. The bombs hit their intended targets. But when the smoke cleared, there were no men with rifles, just Mujib's family.

UNKNOWN MAN ( Translated ): During the Russian invasion, we haven't heard of ten members of one family being killed by Russians in one incident. But the Americans did that.

PELLEY: These Afghans, like many others, are trying to decide whether to support the U.S. backed government. We expected anger, but we didn't expect this. You can't be saying that the Soviets were kinder to your people than the Americans have been.

UNKNOWN MAN B( Translated ): We used to hate the Russians much more than Americans. But now when we see all this happening, I am telling you Russians behaved much better than the Americans.

PELLEY: Really, there's no comparison. The Soviets killed something like a million Afghans over ten years. But it's the kind of thing that Afghans are saying and here's why: So far this year, 17 air strikes have killed more than 270 civilians, according to the humanitarian organization Human Rights Watch. It leaves Afghan President Hamid Karzai explaining to his people why they're being killed by his allies. Why are so many Afghan civilians being killed by U.S. forces?

HAMID KARZAI: The United States and the coalition forces are not doing that deliberately. The United States is here to help the Afghan people. The Afghan people understand that mistakes are made. But five years on, six years on, definitely, very clearly, they cannot comprehend as to why there is still a need for air power.

PELLEY: You are asking the American government to roll back the air strikes. Do I understand you?

KARZAI: Absolutely. Oh, yes, in clear words.

PELLEY: Karzai told us he delivered those words privately to President Bush in August. But he decided to take the message public in this interview.

KARZAI: And I want to repeat that-- alternatives to the use of air force. And I will speak for it again through your media.

PELLEY: You're demanding that.

KARZAI: Absolutely.

PELLEY: We wanted to understand how these air strikes are planned. It turns out the mission that made Mujib's neighborhood look like an ancient ruin was run through this futuristic classified control center. We were surprised to get in here because it's never been seen on television before tonight. We promised the Air Force we wouldn't reveal classified information, or the Persian Gulf country where the center is located. Wow, this is Iraq over here and Afghanistan there?

GARY CROWDER: Yes.

PELLEY: And what are all those points on the map?

CROWDER: The points, each one of those is an individual aircraft.

PELLEY: Air Force Colonel Gary Crowder is Deputy Director of the Combined Air Operations Center, which runs the air war over both Afghanistan and Iraq. You know, I'm curious -- how often is an air strike prepared that's called off at the last minute?

CROWDER: Thousands and thousands of times a month. We look... very, very often, we track some of the insurgent leaders, we will track for days and days on end. And we are prepared to strike them at any moment. But we can never get all of the criteria necessary to meet our rules of engagement.

PELLEY: We learned there are two kinds of targets: Deliberate targets, which are analyzed for days and watched for patterns of civilians coming and going; and then there are immediate targets, such as when troops are in combat and need air support. In both cases, civilian casualties are estimated in advance, and it's up to the commander on the ground to decide whether the strike is worth the cost.

CROWDER: We rely on those commanders to make the assessment at the time of what the requirement is. He assesses proportionality. He assesses the validity of the military target.

PELLEY: What do you mean by proportionality?

CROWDER: If we know that there is a sniper on a roof and the roof is in the middle of a Mosque or a -- which is a protected site -- or in the middle of a very populated area, then dropping a 2,000-pound weapon on that would not be proportional to going after the sniper.

PELLEY: Two men with AK-47s run into a house. Do you bomb the house?

CROWDER: In some circumstances, we will bomb the house. It is entirely dependent upon the circumstances on the ground and the ground commander's assessment of that particular situation.

MARC GARLASCO: There's this macabre kind of calculus that the military goes through on every air strike, where they try to figure out how many dead civilians is a dead bad guy worth.

PELLEY: Marc Garlasco knows the calculus of civilian casualties as well as anyone. At the Pentagon, he was chief of high-value targeting at the start of the Iraq war. He told us how many civilians he was allowed to kill around each high-value target-- targets like Saddam and his leadership.

GARLASCO: Our number was 30. So, for example, Saddam Hussein. If you're going to kill up to 29 people in a strike against Saddam Hussein, that's not a problem. But once you hit that number 30, we actually had to go to either President Bush or Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.

PELLEY: Garlasco says, that before the invasion of Iraq, he recommended 50 air strikes aimed at high-value targets: Iraqi officials. How many high-value targets were taken out in those strikes?

GARLASCO: None of the targets on our target list were actually killed.

PELLEY: How many civilians were killed in those strikes?

GARLASCO: We're looking at...a couple of hundred civilians, at least.

PELLEY: A couple of hundred civilians?

GARLASCO: Uh-huh.

PELLEY: And not a single bad guy killed?

GARLASCO: That's right.

PELLEY: The bombs that are dropped are really only as accurate as the intelligence behind them.

CROWDER: That's true, but we have come a very long way in getting that intelligence to be more accurate. We will collect human intelligence, signals intelligence, overhead full-motion video, all of that tied together, very often in real- time. That gives us a better understanding and a significantly higher confidence that the targets we're engaging are, in fact, valid military targets.

PELLEY: Of course, the Taliban are killing civilians too -- targeting them deliberately. By contrast, we watched American airmen calculate how to minimize civilian casualties with the choice of timing, weapon, and direction of attack.

GARLASCO: I don't think people really appreciate the gymnastics that the U.S. military goes through in order to make sure that they're not killing civilians.

PELLEY: If so much care is being taken, why are so many civilians getting killed?

GARLASCO: Because the Taliban are violating international law and because the U.S. just doesn't have enough troops on the ground. You have the Taliban shielding in people's homes. And you have this small number of troops on the ground, and sometimes the only thing they can do is drop bombs.

PELLEY: But why were bombs dropped on Mujib's house? As we said, the Army wouldn't talk about it. An Air Force source says that Mujib's house was a Taliban hideout. But through an interpreter, the villagers disputed that, and they said the U.S. should have known better.

UNKNOWN MAN C( Translated ): The Americans came here the day before they bombed. They searched the whole house and saw women and children in the house.

PELLEY: This is such an important point. Let me make sure I've got this. Who came the day before?

MAN C( Translated ): The Americans.

PELLEY: We took their accusation to the military, and an Air Force source confirmed that U.S. troops searched the house the day before. We don't know what those troops may have seen or reported. Marc Garlasco left the Pentagon in 2003 to become senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch. He's examined this case, and he told us that, even if Mujib's father was a local Taliban leader, the air strike backfired.

GARLASCO: You have to ask yourself, is a mid-level thug worth nine dead civilians? But it goes beyond that. You're not talking about just losing nine dead civilians. You're also talking about violent protests throughout the country requesting a democratically elected government be taken down. You then take people who maybe were in a pro-government area, and all of a sudden you're turning them against you and turning them towards the Taliban.

PELLEY: To return just for a moment to the bombing at Kapisa-- a rocket was fired at a U.S. base there. It missed. No one was hurt. And yet the response was to drop 4,000 pounds of explosives on that neighborhood.

KARZAI: That is wrong.

PELLEY: They hit what they were aiming at.

KARZAI: That is a mistake. I know that. It may be at times careless -- a careless mistake, but not deliberate.

PELLEY: There is one young boy who is the sole survivor from that house, a seven-year- old boy named Mujib. We asked him what he thought of the Americans. And as you might expect, he said, I hate them.

KARZAI: Naturally.

PELLEY: That doesn't bode well for the future.

KARZAI: Yeah, it doesn't. That's why... that's why I'm so strongly asking for a rethink of the use of air force. And this little boy I will call to my office. And I will share his pain with him, as do the rest of the Afghan people, and try to get him a future.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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A waste of 60 minutes --

A waste of 60 minutes -- what a pathetic news media.

Pelley Has Made It!

I believe it's safe to say Mr. Pelley has reached the same status as his contemporaries. He's very good at innuendo and half truths, and realizes "America is the bad guy" sells very well. I'm sure he must be very proud of himself.

Waste of 60 minutes

I agree, CBS needs to begin covering the war in Philadelphia!

I'm Sure It Was A Verifiable Count

These people are beyond stupid, and it's incredible the extent they will go to create a 'biased' story against their own country.  I often wonder what it must be like, sitting in the room with the reporters, the producers and the editors, and wonder is there any one of them that raises a question regarding the data itself.  How did we get it?  Is it a reliable source?  How do we know the number of kills by our aircraft are compareable to the Talibans?  How do we know the kills by our aircraft were not enemy combatants?  Never mind; if they wasted their time answering those questions, they'd miss doing the segment.

 P.S. Was this ever a question in WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, the Aspirin Factory?

   So we should allow the

   So we should allow the taliban safehouses just because the locals are willing to aid them? 

 Pehaps if the locals know they could suddenly be 75 feet in the air and their family with them they won't be as welcoming to terrorists.

Pelley: "You can't be

Pelley: "You can't be saying that the Soviets were kinder to your people than the Americans have been".

Memo to Pelley: The Soviets not only targeted civilians, but they also followed up and killed anybody who would complain. The Soviets were brutal communists whose intent was to destroy and occupy a country. They did this in the most secretative way possible, with no reporters, no "watch" agencies, no accountability.

Yet you don't point this out. Instead, you ask someone a question, and that person knows he is free to provide any answer he wants, without fear of retribution (aka Soviet-style execution) for his answer.

Pelley, who do you think has provided this freedom? TaDa! -- The United States. Why don't you point this out? We are also targeting the bad guys -- in the hundreds and thousands of missions conducted by the U.S. in Afghanastan, NOT A SINGLE ONE targed civilians. Not one.

And yet you let a comment that compares us unfavorably with the Soviet Union go unchallenged. What's your purpose? What do you stand to gain by this? You are a transparent, hateful idiot Pelley, and it's actions and words like these that cause the enemy to become emboldened, and causes more American casualties.

I'm sorry, but I think you have lost your right to be heard. I'm only a blogger and can't tell you directly, but I hope more and more people realize what a fool you are, and that you lose your job, your livelihood, and your home, and go into financial ruin. Soon. You idiot
___________________________________ 

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Silly me!!

Prior to my deployment to Afghanistan in early 2002, Mr. Pelley did an interview on 60 Minutes II about the Army Civil Affairs Teams that my battalion was to replace.  If I remember the episode was entitled Mission Impossible.  This was a very positive look at what the US military was doing in Afghanistan.  I guess he now wants to compare those good deeds (yes they are still going on) to the literal and figurative rape of Afghanistan by the Soviets. 

If someone can find the episode of 60 minutes II from Jan or Feb 02, it may be a good compare/contrast for NB. 

 

http://thelazytriathlete.blogspot.com/

Yes, this is the typical

Yes, this is the typical "Trying to find the dark spot in the silver lining" that the press coverage of the GWOT has become

a quick biting comment for Pelley.. and

A quick biting comment for Pelley.. and his friends in the media.

This aptly applies to the present day and to several decades of the media, the world's leaders, the UN, pacifist organizations (disguised as peace and humanitarian orgs), and most of all - many of the rest of us as well.

You don't like the fact that since no one else in the world ever came to the aid of the occasional and scant efforts, covertly (from Jimmy Carter, then Reagan and forward) and otherwise, to attempt to defend this once old proud country of Afghanistan from the "imperialist" Soviets; from the void that filled the bombed out remains following their retreat, the conquest of the remains of the souls by the Taliban, and the presence of Al Qaeda as it layout and instilled it's plans to launch it's hellish jihad on democracy, free speech and liberty for all, and because of that, the US is forced to do what it can to pull this off, almost entirely by itself?

The reason the US is behind the gun in Afghanistan, Mr. Pelley, is because the media, which so prides itself on what it believes to be a humanitarian view for the world, is too busy cranking up the heat of dissent for the good ole boys, instead of using your ink and your voice to shame the world into helping the folks who are giving their lives to bring all these things you say you believe in to these poor and unfortunate people.

Why don't you do one spot? Just one spot where you present to the world a vision of what might be possible if the rest of the free world sent a quick 100,000 troops to Afghanistan, in order to secure the peace?

Imagine the power of such journalism.

Geez, Gary

You're going to make his head explode. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Boom!

Boom!

(;~>

 

Now you did it, Gar.

What it is with these people?  Seriously?

I know....dumb question. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

AMEN

Amen Gary...

Exactly Right..Well said

"Why don't you do one spot? Just one spot where you present to the world
a vision of what might be possible if the rest of the free world sent a
quick 100,000 troops to Afghanistan, in order to secure the peace?"

My thoughts for a long time have been 'What if the West could have been just a little bit united when all this started". Followed by 'Wow, could you imagine if the United States was 'united' behind the effort'.

This probably will go on for decades as long as we have cheer leaders in our own Congress, much less the rest of the free world.

Now, this might sting just a little bit.....

Um, its the taliban or the

  • Um, its the taliban or the taliban allied sheiks that claim the terrorist thugs killed were "civilians".
  • The taliban deliberately targets civilians, the U.S. does not.
  • In this war, jihadis dress just like civilians. There is no distinction like previous wars.
  • Killing jihadists that grow opium is a good thing

Scott Pelley is stupid.

 

 When Mr. Kafir talks, I

 When Mr. Kafir talks, I pay attention. 

Damn straight, bro!  Can they sink any lower?

Everyone on '60 Minutes' must be stupid-there's no other explanation.

 

Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar. 

Pelley

COURAGE

 His mentor (Babysitter) was a fake, Pelley fills the shoes.  Can I have his Salary?  Please?

The Cresentmooners

How many times do I have to tell you Ralphshid, don't bring your work home with you.  It really stresses out the kids.  If you keep it up I'm really going to explode one of these days.

To the moon al ice...to the moon!

60 Minutes sux.

Where was 60 Minutes and the rest of the pro-Islamo-fascist, America-hating MSM when Bill Clinton was ordering the descendants of the Chetniks to be bombed into rubble?

Oh, wait, they were Christians, not America-hating, 7th Century illiterate barbarians.

Silly me.

Lets take Pelleys comments

Lets take Pelleys comments one at a time.... 

It's been six years since the liberation of Afghanistan, but the fighting there now is the greatest it's been since the start of the war,

Huh?  So, when the Northern alliance was clearing Kandahar in early 2001, or when the US forces were fighting north east of Bagram in the mountains, that fighting was less than now?

This is foolish.  During the intial fighting the Taliban fielded actual maneuver forces including T-54 tanks that they used for fire support in a vain effort to withstand US fighter bombers in actual battalion strength.

TOday they are attempting to infiltrate border cities and occasionally Kabul in squad strength.  Somehow the fithing is the most intense it has ever been.

WTF!!!!!!!

and more civilians are dying...

Surprisingly, I have not seen any women executed on the goal line at the Kandahar soccer stadium for going out to try and buy milk for their babies without a male relitive.  US and coalition troops do not purposely engage civilians, our enemies do.  However, did Pelley make this point?

With relatively few troops on the ground, the U.S. And NATO rely on air power, and civilian deaths from air strikes have doubled.

When an enemy hides amongst the population, this is to be expected.  Most of these bombing attacks are high up in the mountains in less populated areas that are difficult to reach by air or on foot.   Any attempt to reach them would be fruitless since all you would find would be women and children as the men and militants would have scedaddled.

Besides, how do you determine that the bodies found after a raid are NOT the militants?  THey do NOT wear uniforms in accordance with the rules of war as Pelley might recall.

Now, there's concern that those deaths are undermining Afghan support for the war.

I see no sign of that.

 

BD - Your take please

BD - I would love to get your opinion on this Michael Yon piece. I understand you don't like to chase links but it is just too long with too many links in the body of the article to post here and I think you will find it worth the trouble.  I actually linked to this article which Michael first wrote in 2006 from an email Michael sent out today to subscribers stating his predictions were unfortunately being played out currently in Afganistan.  Iraq is starting to look a whole lot better for other reasons than most are aware of that will become obvious when reading the article. Any input you could give us on this age-old Afghan problem would be appreciated. 

In my opinion this is the greatest danger facing Afghanistan and consequently the world.  Also IMO most Afghanis from Karzai to Pelley's poster child are not the least bit interested in doing anything about this creeping disaster which has taken more lives in the world over the course of time than all of the bombs dropped in Iraq or Afghanistan combined. 

If you look at things from

If you look at things from a military/civil perspective, operations in Afghanistan continue apace.  THe Afghanistan governement in its thrid year is solidifying - perhaps not as a government made up of North Americans would, but solidifying anyway. 

Soon it will be approaching the level of maturity normally seen in a thrid world country such as the Phillippines, or Mexico.  In fact it shares many features of Mexico in that the economics of the region make cultivation and transhipment of narcotics pretty much tolerated with a wink by the nations leaders.

The key thing is to remember that Afghanistan is a vast, mostly depopulated country.  Poppy cultivation has been goin gon for such a long time and the only thing that has ever seemed to put a dent in it is the summary execution of not only the farmers growing it, but their families as well.

Thier are solutions, but they will not make the civilized world happy in any way.

THe US COULD begin to spray defoliant on the fields such as was done in Operation Ranch Hand in Vietnam, but that will ruin the fields for cultivation for some time and will not make the Eco folks happy.  Likewise we also COULD do the same to the Marijuana fields of Mexico and the Coca Leaf production areas of Columbia but hold off sor similar reasons.

THe Narco terrorists of COlumbia are operating in much the same manner as the Tali's of Afghanistan but have yet to make a dent in the political leadership of the region.

In light of this, I maintain that things are pretty much going as well as they are apt to in Afghanistan.

Thanks BD

Thank you. I appreciate your input.

60 Minutes Needs A Retraction

Another horrid graphic by CBS propaganda.

If you bother to notice the B 1 is dropping "carpet bombing" iron bombs. The US Air Force does not carpet bomb as it is a waste of money, bombers, airmen and ordnance. The effective use of these platforms are JDAMS or steerage bombs using grids.

This though is MSM norm in "assault weapons" for bb guns to pistols for shotguns.

The little "western type image boy" was a nice touch too. That child is not Afghani proper, but looks to have good ole Russian bloodlines from a former occupation at the courtesy of Jimmy Carter.

Pelley, you are such a wimp.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

Stomach-turning

I was channel surfing and caught the segment. The whole thing nauseated me. Pelley had a self-righteous look every time he was on camera. This fool doesn't even care that he is on the WRONG side of the terror issue. But, what should we expect from these "journalists" anymore? I guess we should expect them to aid the enemy and actively work against our country at every opportunity. CBS truly does stand for the Communist Broadcasting System. Philo Farnsworth must be spinning in his grave!

At the risk of being crude

60 Minutes is horse shit.

Turn it off

I took my little girl to visit her grandparents this weekend. We watched the first half of the Texans game before leaving the room and moving into the kitchen. After the game, 60 minutes must have come on. I was walking through and heard part of this story. It sickened me as well, so I turned it off. I mentioned what I had seen to my parents who replied with, "Of course! We quit watching that stuff years ago."

 

So there, you have it. They are turning off half of America and that half of America is turning them off in return. The rest of America has better things to do than watch TV (TV-news is not cool enough for your typical artsy liberal) or can't afford to support the advertisers.  It won't be long until the broadcast networks are going to end up like the newspapers in this country. All that will be left is specialty channels like The History Chanel or The Home Improvement Network and cable news. Where is CBS news compared to where they were 15 years ago? Barbera Walters was THE MOST respected journalist in her day. What's she been up to the past few years. The trusted power newsman like Dan Rather has been replaced with Katie Couric.

 

Don't worry. These channels are digging their own graves.

 

 

If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. --George Orwell

If you'll forgive my lack

If you'll forgive my lack of civility for just a moment: I'd love to beat this smarmy reporters A$$!

 Right behind you.  What

 Right behind you.  What a  pathetic excuse for a human being, never mind a so-called "journalist", never mind an American!? 

Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar. 

Speaking as someone who has

Speaking as someone who has actually flown for the military, Pelley's central point is 100% correct. Since Vietnam, the U.S. military has been primarily focused on developing methods for fighting wars while keeping military caualties to an absolute minimum, and to that end we have gone from gravity bombs to smart weapons, cruise missiles, and now pilotless drones. The problem is, as is always the case with anything the Pentagon does, the Law of Unintended Consequences comes into play.

Yes, we can attack targets from the air with minimal or no risk to our troops. Yes, we can attack with pinpoint precision. Yes, we can attack using real-time targeting. All of these are great things, but the downside is that despite our accuracy and lethalness, if a target walks as little as 30 feet away from the targeting point, the odds of scoring a kill drop by a lot, and if he moves 50 feet away, then your odds are about zero. So if a bad guy decides to step outside the tent and walk with someone for a few seconds, your mission is blown. What's worse is that you end up killing a lot of people you didn't want to kill.

The right way to fight a war in these circumstances is using ground forces, not aerial assets. Unfortunately, the Pentagon is once again trying to make an omelet without breaking any eggs, and it isn't going to work.

Bruzilla, I disagree with

Bruzilla, I disagree with your assesment. True, I have not served sense 1980 and my combat experience is limited to Vietnam era, and a few short forays in the mid and late 70's. However, most, if not all air strikes are followed up by boots on the ground. You cannot get an assesment of damage from the air. Not a true one anyway. Most air strikes are called because someone is somewhere looking at the target. One of the jobs I have extensive experience at is watching, looking and calling in air strikes, then the follow up. From what I hear from the troops, that is still pretty much what is going on. SEALs, Army Rangers, Green Berets and Marine Recon are still doing these jobs.

By the way, when ever I see "Unknown Man", I have to think "Taliban" or Militant.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Yeah, the US is as bad as

Yeah, the US is as bad as the Taliban. And the Lame stream Media is as bad as Pravda - but without government control...

The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers