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Nooooo! Say it isn't so!

Seriosly I rarely respond to keith, but he always posts like he is going to have a heart-attack every minute...

That is if you can read all the angry jumble most times...lol.

Okay class, Let's examine this prime example of NEW AGE GARBAGE masquerading as "faith". In an effort to ridicule me this fellow has actually shown how abysmally ignorant he is.

He wrote ***God wanted spiritual fruits, Keith, not religious nuts*** 

Wow. That's sooooo deep! Somebody call Hallmark and get a card ready! My poor deluded friend God does NOT want "spritual fruit", how stupid is that? God wants YOU to have the Spiritual fruit buddy, God's got all the spirit He needs! Roflmao. And in order for YOU to have "FRUIT of the spirit you first need to HAVE the HOLY GHOST, doofus. See, how stupid you make yourself sound in  your effort to humiliate and degrade ME? God wanted YOU to have the Holy Ghost, it is your "earnest" money, your proof of His promised salvation. God would be pretty cold to ask you to give up all and follow Him without any proof right? Well, HE provided that proof, which by the way is totally CONTRARY to the churches that teach that there IS NO PROOF! (EPH 1:13,14)The problem is that you want to deal with Jesus in sound bites as opposed to reality. While it may make you friends in the democrat party it won't save your soul. The truth is the Jesus Christ came to earth and He picked thirteen men to carry out His ministry knowing that His mission on earth would soon end.  But even then the prophecy about Satan bruising the heel of the Messiah, (Gen 3:15) had to be lived out. So, one of the men he picked was a devil. Through him Satan sought to compromise the salvation of the world by cutting off the doctrine of Christ at the source, Christ himself. The Lord, knowing all things was aware of all of this and took steps to combat it. To do that He had to educate the Apostles on the spritual warfare that they were going to face. He tried to prepare them for His death, by letting them know His eternal nature so that they would not fear what was to come. He also endeavored to prepare them for life AFTER His ascension into Heaven. One of the ways He did this was by prophecy. He told them that after his "death" basically, all hell would break loose. After He had ascended He continued to send prophecies to His Apostles to encourage them to KEEP THE DOCTRINE (teaching) OF CHRIST PURE.

Acts 20:28-30 (King James Version) 

 28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

 29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

 30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

These weren't idle utterings or useless warnings, these things came to pass. In fact Jude was so put out about it that he warned thusly, 

JUDE

3. Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.( 1. the salvation is common, not one way for me and another for you. 2. He wanted them to struggle or contend for the faith. Fight (not physically ) to keep it pure. 

 4.For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. ( this prophecy is similar to the warning in 2thessalonians were people were PRETENDING to be Apostles and told folks that they missed the Day of Christ.)

John went on to urge the following...I could go on but I'll wrap with this... 1JOHN2:18-19

18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The devils efforts to stop the doctrine oF Christ, didn't end at the cross. He had other people, just like Judas, that had infiltrated into the ranks of the disciples. They then went out preaching and teaching perverse things. Most of the N.T. warnings against false doctrine concern teachings that entered the world in this fashion. Other warnings concern far away threats to the doctrine. ONe of those concerned the Catholic Church, it can be found here.. ***NOTE** I am not hating on Catholics I want all to come into the full knowledge of Christ, I am recounting the TRUE history of the doctrine of Christ and exposing them this way is necessary. That said, in 1Tim 4:1-4, Paul warns Timothy about an entire Church of False Doctrine. A Church based on LIES and HYPOCRISY that it learned from demons...

1TIM 4:1-4

1 Timothy 4

 1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; ( In order to "depart" from the faith, they had to be "in" the faith to begin with, right?)

 2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; ( This is why it didn't bother Cardinal Mahoney to cover up for the pedophile priests,this is how he can move them around, lie to the police about it and issue proclamtions about the "immorality" of arresting illegals, while his priests are butt raping little boys. CONSCIENCE SEARED.)

 3. Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.( ****this is how you will know them! They will A. Forbid to marry and B. command the abstention of certain foods. The Catholic Church is the only "church" to prevent priests and nuns from marrying AND to command "no meat of Friday". Interestingly enough, they made the changes to "celibacy" and "no meat on friday" AFTER bibles were written with these very verses in them, proving that God's Word will not return to Him void!)

 4. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

After the death of the last apostle (John on the Isle of Patmos), the devil used his people to change certain aspects of the doctrine of Christ, the IMPORTANT ASPECTS! They changed the BAPTISM which until this time 250A.D. or so, had only been performed according to scripture, in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ( acts 2:38, Acts 4:12, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:1-6, etc). And the churches were full of people saved like me ( with spiritual utterance) and not like you (without). Proof of this is located in the 8th chapter of the book of Romans. Paul tells the church that if any man did NOT have the Spirit of Christ, he didn't belong to Jesus! Which would be pretty stupid if the presence or absence of the Holy Spirit weren't definitive,  heh? Hardly the namby pamby "tone" you're used to, btw.

Romans 8:9

9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. ( wow. That's not "inclusive" at ALL is it?)

Now, if you can say to people,  "if you don't HAVE SOMETHING you're in dire straights", doesn't it stand to reason that they would need to be able to know whether they had it or not? In fact, Paul here, is relying on THIRD PERSON proof since he isn't writing the letter to individually suspect persons within the church, he was writing to the church leaders, who would need to make such an assessment. This question COULD NOT BE ASKED by many church "leaders" today because they have LIED to their flock and told them that there IS NO evidence that one has the Holy Ghost. Again Paul, would beg to differ, in fact while he was on his way to Ephesus, to establish the ephesian church, he met some disciples and if we were to judge the conversation by modern principles it wouldn't make any sense. Paul is again, asking for proof of something that most fakes today say, doesn't come with proof.

Acts 19

 1. And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

 2. He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. ( why would he ask them if they had received the Holy Ghost SINCE they came to "believe" if they had no way to answer?)

 3.And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

 4. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

 5. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. ( Gee I guess it DOES matter how one is baptized, huh? Guess it's not some liberally vague "just do your own thing", huh?)

 6. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. ( now if all you have to do is "believe" which the liars say, why on earth did Paul wait for them to receive the Holy Ghost by speaking in tongues? Why didn't he just say, "hey you guys believe, you're good to go!")

Because it wouldn't be true that's why. Long about 250 AD at a certain council at Nicea, the doctrine regarding baptism was changed. Now the Catholic or Universal Church (did u know that's what "catholic" meant?) began to deliberately misinterpret Matt 28:18 from a figurative command, meaning that when Christ said "baptize them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost", they now interpreted this to mean the literal WORDS "father, son, Holy Ghost". INSTEAD of the understanding with which the apostles formed the church, namely that the Godhead ( father, son, holy ghost, sometimes falsely referred to as the "trinity") existed fully in Jesus.

Colossians 2:8,9

8.Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. ( well they were in fact, "spoiled" through the traditions of men)

 9. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ( see Jesus told them that HE is THE FATHER ( john 14: 9 and the son (obvious) and the HOLY GHOST ( John 14:26 says the Holy GHost is coming in Jesus' NAME). 

So, Peter was appropriate when he told them to be baptized in  Jesus' name and he was appropriate when he told them that the speaking in tongues that they were mocking was in fact the outpouring of God's spirit. Acts 2:13-38. The problem is you learned most of what you know ( false doctrine) from the false church EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT CATHOLIC! Their "offshoots" churches that came out of the catholic church continue to teach their false doctrine as it relates to baptism and reception of the Holy Ghost, the two most important areas. That's why you can't understand what you read and rely on slogans and half scriptures to make your point. Repent and do this (acts 2:38) and you'll get this (acts 2:4) and then you too, will know, rather than "believe".