NYT's Galbraith Admits Winter Weather Stifles Alternative Energy Sources, Will Nets Follow?

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It has been a particularly cold winter season, and the energy issue is front and center for the Obama administration. In a surprising December 25th New York Times piece, Kate Galbraith wrote about the season's deleterious effect on alternative energy sources like wind, solar, and biodiesel.

The network news shows have yet to pick up on this story. Galbraith first tackles the issues regarding solar panels in snowy conditions(my emphasis throughout):

This time of year, wind turbine blades ice up, biodiesel congeals in tanks and solar panels produce less power because there is not as much sun. And perhaps most irritating to the people who own them, the panels become covered with snow, rendering them useless even in bright winter sunshine.

So in regions where homeowners have long rolled their eyes at shoveling driveways, add another cold-weather chore: cleaning off the solar panels. “At least I can get to them with a long pole and a squeegee,” said Alan Stankevitz, a homeowner in southeast Minnesota.

However, Galbraith still holds on to the liberal idea that the planet  is being affected by global warming, but she admits it is still “cold enough” to knock out green energy technology:

As concern has grown about global warming, many utilities and homeowners have been trying to shrink their emissions of carbon dioxide — their carbon footprints — by installing solar panels, wind turbines and even generators powered by tides or rivers. But for the moment, at least, the planet is still cold enough to deal nasty winter blows to some of this green machinery.

Galbraith also discusses the problem and safety issues of biodiesel when used in cold weather.

In January 2007, a bus stalled in the middle of the night on Interstate 70 in the Colorado mountains. The culprit was a 20 percent biodiesel blend that congealed in the freezing weather, according to John Jones, the transit director for the bus line, Summit Stage. (Biodiesel is a diesel substitute, typically made from vegetable oil, that is used to displace some fossil fuels.)

The passengers got out of that situation intact, but Summit Stage, which serves ski resorts, now avoids biodiesel from November to March, and uses only a 5 percent blend in the summertime, when it can still get cold in the mountains. “We can’t have people sitting on buses freezing to death while we get out there trying to get them restarted,” Mr. Jones said.

Finally, wind turbines do not get a pass either in the piece.  The energy source seems downright dangerous when the blades get too icy:

Winter may pose even bigger safety hazards in the vicinity of wind turbines. Some observers say the machines can hurl chunks of ice as they rotate.

“It’s like you throw a plate out there and that plate breaks,” said Ralph Brokaw, a cattle rancher in southeast Wyoming who has 69 wind turbines on his property. When his turbines ice up, he stays out of the way.

The wind industry admits that turbines can drop ice, like a lamppost or any tall structure. To ameliorate the hazard, some turbines are painted black to absorb sunlight and melt the ice faster. But Ron Stimmel, an expert on small wind turbines at the American Wind Energy Association, denies that the whirling blades tend to hurl icy javelins.

Large turbines turn off automatically as ice builds up, and small turbines will slow and stop because the ice prevents them from spinning — “just like a plane’s wing needs to be de-iced to fly,” Mr. Stimmel said.

Mr. Brokaw says that his turbines do turn off when they are too icy, but the danger sometimes comes right before the turbines shut down, after a wet, warm snow causes ice buildup.

While Galbraith concedes winter has not been kind to green energy, she is still reluctant to say that traditional energy resources like coal, oil, and nuclear are any better.

Galbraith showed examples of how expensive alternative energy can fail, but she does not mention coal, oil, and nuclear have been keeping modern society consistently warm in the winter, cool in the summer, and moving comfortably in our vehicles every single day.


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“We can’t have people

“We can’t have people sitting on buses freezing to death while we get out there trying to get them restarted,” Mr. Jones said.

  So in order for alternative energy to work there will need to be some real global warming so that cold weather doesn't stop them but if the alternatives do stop global warming then the alternatives will stop working and then we'll have to.... what?

→ MidAmerica

Why did you stop?  You were almost there.

Dang!  We almost had the planet healed and you had to lose your train of thought.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

LOL

   I don't know what happened.  The logic presented by the alternative energy proponants was just cruising down the highway when all of a sudden yikes there was a bridge out.

The NYT Admits Alternative Energy is a joke? Amazing

Once people realize that alternative energy is nothing but a liberal pipe-dream they will come back to reality. Yet I am afraid the Obama administration is so brainwashed with green propaganda that we will get more government support for unreliable and expensive alternative energy instead of the energy we need that the market can provide on it's own.

Cloudy Outlook For Solar Panels: Costs Substantially Eclipse Benefits, Study Shows (Science Daily)

Ice shards rain down from turbine (BBC)

Cold Snap Raises Issues When Biodiesel Gels Up (USA Today)

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

Not a Joke

Why do you guys get all worked up about spending a few trillion dollars to build a perpetual motion machine?

I love the bit Dennis Miller

I love the bit Dennis Miller does on GW. He says if the planet heats up in the next few years, it's ok w/him, he' always a little chilly anyway. He add he won't worry about it, he will just tell the kids that they've moved to Phoenix.

Ethanol bankruptcy

The MSM doesn't seem very interested in bankruptcy filings by major ethanol producers like VeraSun, which is having trouble paying high corn prices. 

Welcome to the era of unity, you racist!

Dirty little secrets about "green power"

Cold weather is the mortal enemy of green power.

-Snow covered solar cells don't produce any power.

-Your battery powered hybrid car won't go very far when the temperature  is below freezing.  It will lose about 60% of its range.  And that's without using the heater!

-your fuel cell car's ($50K) powerplant will be permanently damaged by exposure to freezing temperatures.  The by-product of a PEM fuel cell is water, which when frozen (at 32degF) will destroy the membranes of the fuel cell.

-wind turbines must be shut down when there is a possibility of ice forming on the blades.  The ice accumulation on the blades causes imbalance forces which will damage the turbine's bearings.

And consider this:  A silicon based photovoltaic solar cell will need to operate for at least 8 years just to recover the amount of electricity used in its manufacture.  That's almost half of its useable life.

Thank God for nukes and coal.

"Don't blame me.....I voted for Palin"

My house is all electric.

 I could theorectically go all solar. I have looked several time over the years. It would cost me $30k. I have to buy twice the wattage of what I normally am using at any given time. It only generates electricity half of the time.

 I will finish paying off a 30 year mortgage before I get the payback from switching over. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Solar Power`

Just wait until you try to put your air conditioning on. You have to be connected to the electrical grid.   

Until Obama solves the sunset problem, solar panels with be more fantasy than reality.

Perhaps one of his new District Court judges will order the sun not to set.

They are violating one of the laws of human nature.

  New energy producing technologies gain mass acceptance because the are cheaper and more efficient.

  Early humans developed the -

  campfire - enabled warmth and food cooking but required extensive effort to gather and/or chop down trees. replaced by

  domesticated animals - enabled farming and transportation over greater areas but required extensive effort to harbor or feed the animals. replaced by

  steam - enabled manufacturing on a mass scale but required extensive fuel use that came from coal or wood which was still relatively hard to gather. replaced by

 oil - enable the global economy we have today. Unreplaceable at current time.

  All the older technogies still have a niche. The poor in other countries and backyard barbeque people still cook with fire. Nothing can beat a dog sled in the far north. Steam is still in use in ships and electricity.

  The there has been alternate sources of power the have gained a niche use but have drawbacks. Damming rivers, nuclear power. One requires extensive flooding of land and the other, well, does not have the drawbacks it used to but is blocked being a larger souce by crybaby whiner liberals.

  The green technologies that are being proposed on a massive scale are neither cheaper nor more efficient. They will fail until they meet the criteria.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Friedmanomics

I mean Tom Friedman not Milton.  The idea is to make all other energy more expensive so the fantasy energy sources seem econmical. TAX TAX TAX

Oh! Bama

Well, the Obama and his team of oxen have declared that we Americans will not be using any coal, gas, nuclear, oil or wood for energy within the next ten years.

He said so.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

There used to be a law

requiring a person to walk in front of horseless carriages waving a lantern to prevent scaring horses.

"The challenge before us: when was there a New York Times
article focusing on challenges faced by people seeking to use polluting
power sources? Or, talking about how having a propange generator at
home could risk an explosion or emissions that might create a health
threat to your children or …?" http://getenergysmar...

So, back to anecdotal reports of fearful ranchers, bus companies that can't read the directions, uncited 'statistics', and unnamed 'experts'....

But it does give inactivists a few tidbits to grab onto and crow about.

 

 

it has come time to choose. Lights on, Lights off.

its really very simple. those who believe in this global warming scare, cut the power lines to your home. walk to work. the rest of us who do not wish to return to the 7th century can live our lives enjoying the discovery of electricity, automobiles and the joys of the 21st century. we have learned from some mistakes concerning pollution, we are good guardians of mother earth. if BHO wants to destroy the coal industry, which produces 50% of our power, so be it. Union mine& related jobs disappear. Railroads revenues will drop, as Coal is the #1 revenue producer. Rail road union jobs disappear. So be it. Lets truly draw the line in the sand. Start tearing up all interstate highways, the concrete and asphalt draw too much heat from the sun. close all drive in windows for anything, too much idling wastes gas. let all  cattle , sheep, pigs and horses. die- they create waste just by living.

The above paragraph is absolutely absurd, that's what you want, NOT I!!!! Leave me alone!!!! I like the progress America has made, feeding the world, supplying medical attention to the world. its nice to know Americans through Faith based organizations have donated over $300 billion to charity. Leave me alone!!!

once BHO and his band of criminals, and bill ayers is a criminal, BHO is a criminal(, he admitted to drug use & abuse,) have complete control, will i be the only one not asking"what happened?"

what is happening in Illinois-business as usual-and our BHO had no knowledge. just like the Rev Wright, Kalid al Monsour etc. what a joke. kind of funny as well, BHO wealth went up under GWB just like Bill Clinton. bad economy, bad GWB. yet everyone's pockets are full. How much did BHO collect for his campaign?? big bucks in a bad economy.

I'm done. too old. too ashamed of what we have done to my America.

 

 

 allow me to Love America

 

Pollution has NOTHING to do with Global Warming

People really need to understand that man-made Global Warming has NOTHING to do with pollution, nothing to do with smog or clean air. It is completely about man-made carbon dioxide which is NOT pollution, does not cause smog and does absolutely nothing to make the air you breath "dirty".

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

HEY LIBERAL... STOP

HEY LIBERAL...

STOP BREATHING...

AND STOP POLLUTING THE PLANET WITH CO2.

 

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Jack... Excellent

Jack...

Excellent idea!

Israeli Attack Confusion?

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

thanks clear. I've just

thanks clear. I've just revised it..

HEY LIBERAL...

STOP BREATHING...

AND STOP POLLUTING MY PLANET

WITH YOUR CARBON DIOXIDE 

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Al Gore recently sent out

Al Gore recently sent out an urgent email to over 2 million of his cult followers asking for MONEY. Here's just a sample...

"...driving home the message that the solutions are within our reach — that halting climate change means creating millions of jobs."

Ok, now for a question... Can someone please explain to me how the hell you HALT CLIMATE CHANGE?

Israeli Attack Confusion?

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

Ct,

Hey, Al has to cover those huge utility bills his sprawling estate generates somehow.  :-)

-Dave

RD... Yes, I understand

RD...

Yes, I understand that, but my question still remains. How the hell do you HALT climate change? It's been changing for hundreds of millions of years, and now all of a sudden we puny little humans are going to HALT it?!

Big Al can kiss my arse!

Israeli Attack Confusion?

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

I will endeavor to help my good friend Clear Thinker.

  If CO2 were the culprit of AGW, that is if AGW were real, which it is NOT... (I said NOT mr. Poptech, just going along here)

   We could build huge CO2 scrubbers that would take the extra CO2 out of the air. But this is not acceptable to the AGW crowd because that would envision no changes to our lifestyle. The AGW movement is all about telling us how to live our life while the AGW crowd is in charge. It is called fascism.

  Here comes the snark >>>

  What to do with the giant blocks of carbon we have created with the CO2 scrubbers. If somehow, we could take it and combine it with hydrogen in long complex molecule chains, we could recycle it. Maybe turn it into a solid or liquid for easy transportation. The perfect fuel for the 21st century!

  What? Huh? We already have that? Coal? Oil? Yer kiddin me? Nah. Shut up! Wow.

  What? Yer not done? What do you... plant life is carbon scrubbers? But...

  Oh fudge.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Ct,

Other than utterly obliterating the planet to the point that not so much as a boulder remains, I haven't a clue.

As long as there is an atmosphere, there will always be a climate, and it is always going to be changing.

The presence or absence of humans will not change that.

-Dave

RD & JWF... Thanks guys,

RD & JWF...

Thanks guys, you are calming my nerves slightly.

There are at least 2 million others that we need to convince. Three of us against 2 million (plus Al Gore), hell, this should be easy!

Israeli Attack Confusion?

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

My two cents... The

My two cents...

The government should lead the way in all this by installing wind turbines and solar panels (both for heating water and electricity) on all government buildings from post offices on up.

This wouldn't work all the time as the article pointed out, but such measures would augment our energy resources.

Why should people in southern California, Florida, Arizona, etc. use fossil fuels to heat their homes and water?  If we have the technology we should use it.

So, if it's cloudy, the sun isn't shining, fine, then use the fossil fuels, nuclear, what have you.

At any rate, I think the government should make sure that our basic infrastructure can continue if the majority of the oil supply gets shut off.  Can we keep the lights on, the communications systems working, the hospitals functioning, and so on for an indefinite period of time?  That, to me, should have been something that have addressed and put into effect decades ago.

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.