ZAKARIA: Let me ask about one social issue that you were associated with, which was "don't ask, don't tell," the policy toward gay people being in the military openly. Do you feel like the country has moved to a place where we could reevaluate "don't ask, don't tell"?
Story Continues Below Ad ↓POWELL: We definitely should reevaluate it. It's been 15 years since we put in "don't ask, don't tell," which was a policy that became a law. I didn't want it to become a law, but it became a law. Congress felt that strongly about it.
But it's been 15 years, and attitudes have changed. And so, I think it is time for the Congress, since it is their law, to have a full review of it. And I'm quite sure that's what President-elect Obama will want to do.
But people have said to me, well, then, what do you think? I said, well, what I think is, let's review it, but I'm not going to make a judgment as to whether it should be overturned or not until I hear from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the commanders who are responsible for our armed forces in a time of war.
And so, I have to hear what they think and what the secretary of defense thinks before I would come down on one side or the other.
Because I've always felt that the military is a unique institution. It is not like any other institution in our system. You are told who you will live with. You are told who you will share your most intimate accommodations with. You are told whether you will live or die.
And for that reason, the courts have always upheld the ability of the armed forces of the United States to put in procedures and rules that would not be acceptable in any other institution.
So, the Congress, I think, has an obligation to review the law, and I hope that it's a very spirited review. And I hope that President-elect Obama, in one of his first actions, will ask the Joint Chiefs of Staff to take a look at the policy and the law and to get their recommendations before he makes a judgment with respect to the administration position.
But times have changed. This is not 1993. It is 2008. And we should review the law.
ZAKARIA: Do you think we should consider the fact that other countries -- the Israeli army, for instance, the British army -- has gays serving openly, and it does not seem to have produced any negative effects to their morale and effectiveness?
POWELL: I certainly think we should look at all the examples of countries where this is the case, and see if it is relevant to the armed forces of the United States. We are unique not only as a country, but as an armed forces. And so, yes, I would look at all of that. But that doesn't necessarily drive the decision.
While Zakaria seems more interested in getting Powell to say that homosexuals should be able to serve openly in the military, Powell seems very careful to not go against the incoming administration's stance on the fifteen year old policy or his previous stance.
Powell may have been playing both sides of the political coin. In a 2003 interview with teenink.com Powell defended the policy.:
During a recent interview with the online news site TeenInk.com, Secretary of State Colin Powell defended the military's ban on lesbian, gay and bisexual service members. While denouncing homophobia and acknowledging the work of lesbian, gay and bisexual Americans at the State Department, Powell noted that "... I think it's a different matter with respect to the military, because you're essentially told who you're going to live with, who you're going to sleep next to."
Powell said pretty much the same thing to Zakaria this weekend.
Back in April, Barack Obama pledged he would end "don't ask, don't tell," but recently Obama seems more likely to delay this move for at least several months if not until 2010.
Given the successful passage of proposition 8 in California among other similar successful measures all over the country, the new Obama administration may find itself in a more difficult postion to scrap the fifteen year old military policy.




















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COLIN COME OUT OF THE CLOSET...
December 15, 2008 - 06:50 ET by BronxBomberIt pains me to say this about my fellow Bronxite(who I used to be so proud of)....
It's time for Colin Powell to "come out of the closet" and admit to the world what everyone already knows, that he is a Democrat...
We gotta find a new planet...
That's what you get...
December 15, 2008 - 07:44 ET by AJBSo Powell is a prime example of what you get with affirmative action advancements. He's certainly not qualified for the jobs he's had.
Powell certainly has come
December 15, 2008 - 07:00 ET by txradioguyPowell certainly has come down with the Liberals favorite disease...amnesia. Because he is now coming out opposed to a law that he himself helped craft and implement in the Armed Forces.
"The policy was introduced as a compromise measure in 1993 and approved by then President Bill Clinton who, while campaigning for the Presidency, had promised to allow all citizens regardless of sexual orientation to serve openly in the military, a departure from the then complete ban on those who are not heterosexual. The actual policy was crafted by Colin Powel"
Powell even rebuked Clinton in '93 for publicly suggesting gays should serve openly...even took the unprescedented step of writing an NYT Op-Ed about the whole thing.
Now it appears he's hoping we all have short term memory loss and forget that he brought this policy about.
"I May Be Changed By War, But I Will Not Be Defeated By It" - Audie Murphy
he is now coming out
December 15, 2008 - 07:46 ET by motherbelthe is now coming out opposed to a law that he himself helped craft and implement in the Armed Forces.
What Powell said was:
It's been 15 years since we put in "don't ask, don't tell," which
was a policy that became a law. I didn't want it to become a law, but
it became a law. Congress felt that strongly about it.
IOW, he was in favor of the policy, but Congress made it a law, which he did not help to craft, or support, at the time.
Whether or not I agree with him, he is entitled to change his mind 15 years later.
Gee Colin, how would this be implemented?
December 15, 2008 - 08:12 ET by c5thenIt is still a dischargable offense to be gay in the military (does it stay dishonorable or does it change to a different kind of discharge?). If gays are to be allowed to openly serve, do they get their own barracks? Do gay men billet with the women and do gay women billet with the men? Are macho gays OK but the femanine kind still not allowed? Sexual tension will be a real help in the APC when under fire from enemy snipers, dontcha think?
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
Colin Powell
December 15, 2008 - 08:56 ET by pitter43Powells time is over. At one time, I would have voted for him as president. Now that he's shown his true colors, I consider him a tratior.
The guy is Jimmy Carter's replacement.
December 15, 2008 - 08:57 ET by superconPeanut boy is getting old and we'll need someone to interfere with U.S. policy.I'm waiting for him to start monitoring elections.Won't that be fun....?
this may be how he sees it...
December 15, 2008 - 09:21 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion"the courts have always upheld the ability of the armed forces of the United States to put in procedures and rules that would not be acceptable in any other institution." but imho, those "rules and procedures" should still be acceptable in every institution! powell needs to take a powder.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Why are we seeing Powell so much lately
December 15, 2008 - 09:38 ET by doug1950Wonder what Obama has in store for Powell? He sure is getting a lot of face time as of late.
One major issue with gays serving in the military is being completely ignored. In forward deployed areas where there are no local blood banks, the troops are known as the "walking blood bank". If blood is needed immediately there is a readily handy supply. If that blood bank is tainted with folks walking around who are engaged in risky behavior the results can be tragic. This was brought up time and again in 1993 (I was in uniform at the time). This goes beyond the other issues surrounding this such as the break down in good order and discipline. I was only one of many who dropped their retirement papers after the Clinton's got into office and started using the military to do some of their earliest social engineering. I cut my career short by 4 years of doing the full 30. This very issue was one of the major reasons. I knew it was time to go. If one can not support the CinC the only thing to do is remove yourself and go do something else.
I just gotta say, that the
December 15, 2008 - 09:46 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI just gotta say, that the majority of my fellow soldiers, airmen, sailors, and marines do not want, nor do we need to know one's sexual preferences. Having the knowledge of one's homosexuality will cause HUGE problems everywhere beginning in basic training...it will be an unwelcome distraction.
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." --Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon," 1942
Colin Powell
December 15, 2008 - 10:31 ET by rightwingchefI met this guy while on active duty. Matter of fact he worked , at the time, for my boss. Powell has never been a conservative, I don't understand why everyone is so shocked about his stand on issues. He has always been a political hack, and is no friend of the Christian conservatives. He has been a Clintonian as long as I have known him.
My humble opinion
December 15, 2008 - 16:09 ET by mizflame98I personally don't have any problems with gays in the millitary. They have always been part of the millitary since the begining of time. For example:
Sacred Band of Thebes: Were pairs of lovers who fought on the battlefield. It was assumed that they would fight more fiercely if they had to defend their lovers lives in combat.
Alexandar The Great: Only the greatest millitary mind in history. Even though he was married to 3 women, he also had male lovers.
Epaminondas: Liberated Thebes from the Spartans. Very much gay.
The list of gay millitary talents goes on.
With that said...
I like the Don't ask, don't tell policy in the millitary. I've known quite a few gays and lesbians in the service that were wonderful people and I would trust them with my life. But I think that it should be kept in place because if it is removed then soldiers will have to endure some gays constantly throwing their sexuality up in everyone's face. They will claim that they are being targeted by their commanding officers and NCOs because of their sexuality, when in reality; they're lousy soldiers or violated rules. Right now there is no harrassment or discrimination against gays in the millitary because the NCOs and officers don't know who is gay or lesbian. Why screw that up?
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