
Since U.S. troops have been in Iraq, the media instilled baseless fears around college campuses that President Bush would bring back the draft. The Washington Post reported in 2004 the following:
Rumors of reinstating the military draft, which have flourished for months in panicky e-mails, online chat rooms, college dorms and student newspapers, suddenly dominated the House floor yesterday in one of the strangest parliamentary maneuvers in memory. With even its sponsor voting against it, a bill to require young adults to perform military or civil service failed, 402 to 2.
The news, however, remains silent as President-elect Barack Obama rolls out his own plans for conscripting America’s youth.
Obama will have help pushing this agenda from his new chief of staff appointment, Rahm Emanuel. Emanuel proposed conscripting young Americans in his 2006 co-authored book, The Plan:
It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service.
Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs.
Emanuel’s and Obama’s thoughts are not new. In fact, Rep. Charlie Rangel, (D-NY), had his own plans for a draft in 2003. An MSNBC.com 2006 piece covered Rangel’s proposal:
In 2003, Rangel proposed a measure covering people age 18 to 26. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42; it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.
Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of their victories in the Nov. 7 election.
At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, “I don’t see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft,” said Rangel, who also proposed a draft in January 2003, before the U.S. invasion of Iraq. “I think to do so is hypocritical.”
The article also includes more comments from Rangel about where individuals could serve other than the military:
Rangel, the next chairman of the House tax-writing committee, said he worried the military was being strained by its overseas commitments.
“If we’re going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can’t do that without a draft,” Rangel said.
He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve. Instead, “young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it’s our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals,” with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.
Sound familiar to this Obama idea at change.gov? (H/T to J.D. Tuccille at the D.C. Examiner for pointing out the following :
Well, no more. On the president-elect's official transition Website, Change.gov, the "America Serves" page now contains the following language [Note: The page was changed, removing the explicit "require" language, after the publication of this article. The original is still in the Google cache here]:
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
Just by changing the language on their website, the Obama transition team is already in spin mode on this issue, so whenever the mainstream media eventually decides to pick this story up, they will know exactly what to say.





















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Of course. Repub
November 8, 2008 - 00:59 ET by BlazerOf course.
Repub war=bad war
Dem war=good war
Either way conservatives will fight, cause we like to kick ass. If Obama want's to kick ass starting off, thats a good way to win my heart.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
We should take out ads in
November 8, 2008 - 01:34 ET by CoolShadesWe should take out ads in college newspapers saying, "Thanks for voting for Obama, I'm sure you'll be proud to serve in his army if you like it or not."
CS
November 8, 2008 - 03:50 ET by DoktorFrankenI called this exactly the day after the election. I mentioned that the youngins' who voted for Hussein would be called up for either the regular military or for the ''Civilian Army''. What a wake-up call they're going to get, eh? And wait until they see the new higher payroll taxes on their service paycheck stubs. 'Change' they'll have to live with.
Frankly, I can't wait until
November 8, 2008 - 01:50 ET by ckc1227Frankly, I can't wait until the Dems bring the draft back, and they will. Choices have consequences. Those of you so desperate for change, congratulations....you got it. You're going to get the very things you were so wrongly concerned that Bush would do to you, and it's going to come from your own side, lol.
Watching the true believers wake up from their Obama-induced drunken stupor as reality sets in is going to be delicious indeed.
They changed the site
November 8, 2008 - 02:03 ET by mikepatrShhhh. They changed the text on that site. Obama, professor of constitutional law, apparently forgot that Amendment XIII of the constitution forbid involuntary servitude!!!!
Sweetness and light has the goods on the scrubbing of the requirement.
http://sweetness-lig...
mikepatr - http://www.dittoblog...
I've got screen shots of both pages
November 8, 2008 - 16:38 ET by Scout FinchWhen the press finally gets around to reporting anything at all about this, say....a year from now...I'll have the documentation of Obama's original and real intent. Not that it matters. The masses will simply shrug....
The masses will simply
November 9, 2008 - 00:40 ET by Dan The Man 2The masses will simply shrug.... That is eaxactly what one of my co-workers does. He says is against abortion, same sex marriages and pretty much all that Obama stands for. I told him that he is cupable for the actions of those he elects to office and he says I am twisting teh truth and wont hear anything I have to say.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Sorry I see you caught the change.
November 8, 2008 - 02:05 ET by mikepatrSorry, I see you caught the change.
Wow, that is certainly more
November 8, 2008 - 02:08 ET by dtaWow, that is certainly more change than I would expect this early. On one hand, I think having youths contribute in some way like this may be a good idea. On the other hand, I don't see how it can be mandatory for kids as young as middle schoolers. I'm worried about whether this will also take the form of indoctrination. Who is going to decide what the tasking will be?
This is HUGE
November 8, 2008 - 02:24 ET by ArcherBUnderstand something, people. THIS IS HUGE!
This is not the "peace core" that they try to make it out to be. This is "The Animal Farm" when they took the puppies! This is a communist re-education camp that they are going to try to force all young Americans to go through. This is nothing more than a factory for turning our youth into Obama voting liberals at best, but probably Brownshirts to be realistic about it. Look up "Public Allies" and read up on it. This is exactly what this program is modeled after.
Please, read up on it. I'll even give you a head start. From HERE:
THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!!
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
The Obamas discourage work
November 8, 2008 - 08:57 ET by SeashellThe Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into
corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the
community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added.
"Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."
I noticed that Obama didn't "shun the money" when he wrote those books and bought a huge house in Chicago.
(That's scary stuff you showed us ArcherB)
Doesnt matter
November 8, 2008 - 09:43 ET by misterbee241All of this doesnt matter anymore, if it ever did in the first place. The people have spoken and they dont care.
We are not impotent!
November 8, 2008 - 11:05 ET by ArcherBWhile I will (and have) said that Obama is duly elected President per the Constitution and deserves the respect the office provides, that doesn't mean we should just roll over. The Constitutiond doesn't account for the MSM feeding the gullable American people crap during an election cycle. However, it does offer us freedom of speech to inform the public ourselves of what is going on. The very second these re-eduction camps start brainwashing our kids, I hope that the media will be there to show what is really happening.
Until then, it is our job to research what is going on and alert the masses with the tools we have available, as I am trying to do.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
We propose universal
November 8, 2008 - 02:33 ET by TN MomWe propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service.
All those young people saying 'yes we can' are soon gonna be yelling 'no we won't'. Sure hope Canada & Mexico are ready for the massive influx of draft dodgers!
oh, and tax cheating Charlie Rangel should not be allowed to use the word, 'hypocritical'. ever.
That will be the "price" of
November 8, 2008 - 09:52 ET by motherbeltThat will be the "price" of the government paying off their student loans when they graduate from college.
(on the other hand, it will do some of those kids good to find out there's no such thing as "free lunch").
And don't forget he wants to give everyone free college if they serve one, repeat, ONE term in the military!!
We can look forward to a whole national, government-run system of "paid volunteerism."
And coming next: Obama Youth
The "Alpha and Omega" will not only "inspire." he will tell these kids which of them will be the lawyer, the auto mechanic, the architect.... they will be directed into the proper chanels of education...for the good of society, of course.
Why does this sound chillingly familiar?
What Obama is proposing is
November 8, 2008 - 08:35 ET by ConservativeRexWhat Obama is proposing is nothing new. This tatic has been used in this country before.
In short, Obama wants his own private army. His words were:
" a civilian security force, as large as, and as well funded as our military".
This got me thinking, what about our National Guard, Air Guard, etc? Then I remembered when this had happened before, Mussolini!
In an earlier post someone had mentioned "brown shirts", no, this is more like "black shirts" that Mussolini used. I do not think Obama's forces will be rascists or anti-semetic as the brown shirts were. More like thugs, like the black shirts were. Bone breakers and head bashers.
" a civilian security
November 8, 2008 - 09:55 ET by motherbelt" a civilian security force, as large as, and as well funded as our military".
And not one single "journalist" asked him what the role of this civilian security force would be, nevermind where funding equal to that of the military would come from.
Not a single one!
Simple
November 8, 2008 - 11:08 ET by ArcherBThe roll is to produce little Obama voting robots who will "get in our faces". (See my extra large post from earlier)
The funding is easy. Take half the military budget and give it these programs.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
»→ Change Nacht
November 8, 2008 - 11:20 ET by Cool ArrowThe Night of Change. When the Obama Youth take to the streets smashing their parents' life's savings and delivering it to The One.
What concerns me is that the White House computers were hacked and there isn't a humongous bank panic given the most secure network in the world can be had by unidentified hackers.
If only there was a better way to secure monetary transactions.
§ Chinese HACKERS!!!
November 8, 2008 - 11:32 ET by TheSterYet...The State Department sais its too "radioactive"....WHY??
DEBT!!!
They OWN our DEBT!!!
Am I Wrong???
Ster.
I am a peripheral visionary. I can see the future, but only way off to the side.
§ MB!!! My Speedo is too Tight!!!!
November 8, 2008 - 11:13 ET by TheSterI Really want to be a Obama Brown Shirt!!!!
Now What do I do???
Darn!!!
Ster.
I am a peripheral visionary. I can see the future, but only way off to the side.
Wow!
November 8, 2008 - 08:42 ET by Copperhead RidgeThese proposals will unloose an army of shovel leaners in all segments of our society. Worse than that, though, forcing people to serve the government is slavery. They will hold high school diplomas and college degrees as the bait so that young Americans will walk blindly into modern day slavery.
Stuff like this is the number one reason I voted against Barack Obama.
It also points out another mistake the McCain campaign made. They campaigned against a man who wants to build an Animal Farm corps with the slogan "Country First." McCain's message blended into Obama's too much. If he was going to put anything but God first in his campaign slogan, it should've been "freedom."
I can only imagine how the media portray these little re-education corps as the government equivalent to church youth groups. They'll actually be the start of one segment of our society saying that some are more equal than others. It's so Orwellian that it scares the pee out of me. It makes me sad for my young children, who may reach their adulthood notknowing what true freedom is. I'll teach them liberty and freedom, and I hope it sticks with them.
I hope they remember that their father was a Contra when they receive their shovels and their ration of beets.
Free America. RIP 1776-2008.
Obama and the Draft
November 8, 2008 - 09:13 ET by GeneralAlWhat the Obamessiah does not tell you is the draft will be primarily for the kids of his opposition. Don't forget his statement about this. He was making a speech when he stated that perhaps we ought send their kids off to fight and see how they feel! Obama is a very selfish and vindictive person. He is angry and wants revenge. For all the good fortune that has fallen his way, he still wants to even the score. when it comes to the draft, it will be a form of recerse affirmative action. The draftees will consist of the children of mostly white conservative parents. He'll throw a few others in their to slightly dilute the mixture but the main ingredient will be the same. Welcome to the Obama Socialist Republic!
I agree. This is just
November 8, 2008 - 09:21 ET by SeashellI agree. This is just another form of a "Fairness Doctrine" for him. He sees the military as composed of minorities and the poor. He'll get back at that evil military now!
Obama and the Draft
November 8, 2008 - 11:41 ET by AngryWhiteMaleI agree as well. Many of our troops will leave the military as soon as they can. Why??? because they will not respect their new commander. BHO will cut the military like previous liberal presidents ( Carter and Clinton ). A draft will replace our brave volunteers with lazy, worthless individuals for the most part. The military prefers the volunteer force because they want to be there. Drafted individuals for the most part will do more harm then good. Just watch and see military recruiting fall short of its goals even after BHO scales down our forces. The media will proudly justify why we need to start a draft. The first deployment will be to Africa to save Muslims under United Nations control.
hope against hope
November 8, 2008 - 09:24 ET by ginagwen7This is so frightening!!!
I am going to have hope against hope that BO is just talking out of his ass. I am going to hold onto the small chance that when he won the election and was briefed for transition, that he was or will be rudely informed that his plans are shite and that he has neither the authority nor the influence to implement his radical ideas. I pray that they will not come into fruition and become only broken campaign promises of a smooth-talking nutjob.
Buy as many copies of 1984 and Animal Farm as you can and give them to all the young people you know as Christmas gifts,!!!
Well to be fair this isn't a
November 8, 2008 - 09:35 ET by Dave DWell to be fair this isn't a new proposition from Barry, it's been up on his web site for months. What you didn't hear the news media mention it at all? Oops, their bad I guess it was just an innocent mistake.
Chairman Obama
November 8, 2008 - 09:36 ET by misterbee241To all you young slackers that voted for Obama: get your Mao jackets and your little red books ready because you're gonna need'em.
Wording, wording,
November 8, 2008 - 09:54 ET by GregEWording, wording, wording.
"Require" will always now be "calls on." Similar to "yes" or "no" will become "we'll consider it."
This is also from change.gov under the Taxes subject......
Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of
the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we
are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility.
Ask? I don't think so.
Obama will ask the
November 8, 2008 - 10:49 ET by motherbeltObama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received
And if they say "No"??????
Then they will get the 'phone call'
November 8, 2008 - 13:32 ET by Mica the Magnificent"No" was not the proper response. For your convenience, we have taken possession of your assets . Thank you for being patriotic. - - The office of the minister of proper behavior
What this country needs can be summed up in 3 letters, a comma and an ampersand - JOBS! - - What Biden really said before the MSM edit
Want to cut-down on unemployment?
November 8, 2008 - 10:17 ET by pbthinkerLet's face it, conscription is one of the easiest ways the government can create jobs. Need to cut unemployment by a million, send out the draft notices.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
I believe this is an
November 8, 2008 - 10:34 ET by MidAmericaI believe this is an attempt to re-educate Americans away from being a collective of individuals to just being a collective. To think of yourself is to be selfish. To devote your life to the State is the highest goal. When Mao became impatient with the pace of Communist reforms he unleashed China's youth, known as the Red Guard, who terrorized every facet of Chinese life that was not 'pure' in it's devotion to Communism.
Hilter had the "Brown Shirts" and
November 8, 2008 - 11:46 ET by Ole_SargeObama will have his ... "Blue Shirts?"
This is so scary on so many levels. I know I am not alone to say this, but I feel that the United States as we know it with cease to exist. And as much as Canada has a strangle-old on "free thought" and "religious belief" now considered "hate speech;" we will be "moved" by "governmental insitutions" (like our schools and the courts) to the left of Canada.
There will be few havens of conservative belief and government, but as the BORG claimed, "resistance is futile. You will be part of the collective."
Kerry, You should take a
November 8, 2008 - 11:50 ET by GameGridKerry,
You should take a screenshot of that page and post it, just so that it's harder for it to be lost.
Funny thing is about a week ago I heard a number of young people (not old enough to vote) talking about McCain instating a draft, which I told them wasn't true. It should be interesting when I see them again (they come to my business almost every day) and I point this out.
People need to be
November 8, 2008 - 16:25 ET by bigtimerPeople need to be afraid...very afraid...
If any of these things get passed and attempted to be enforced I think it will be time for a major revolution.,,if people sit idle and comply this will be the end of this great country as we know it...one great example were the Black Panthers blocking white people from voting....I heard a caller this morning on the Wa. Journal talk about this very thing that happened to her parents in their eighties who feared going in to vote...this is basically being ignored too by the msm...it sure as heck shouldn't be...this should be a major story...questions from the reporters yesterday could of at least had one about this to Obama, even though what he said in reply would of most likely been false...still, this is spooky.
Just my opinion.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
This is weak stuff
November 9, 2008 - 05:12 ET by respectfulconservativeFirst of all the "media" never attacked President Bush over baseless conscription fears. Picket cites one article that refers to what it acknowledges are unfounded campus rumors. It also refers to a soundly defeated (to say the least) bill which clearly had no chance of passing. The article is not about the danger of a draft under bush; it is about the unreasonable nature of young people's fear of a draft under bush.
Obama has never proposed universal compulsory military service, so do not refer to his public service proposal as a draft. That is simply ridiculous. This is not the hitler youth or the brownshirts. Do you really resent the idea of young people being required to do a certain amount of public interest work as part of their education? Is their any evidence that these young people would be indoctrinated into any form of political activity through this work? Stop being so paranoid.
First of all the "media"
November 9, 2008 - 05:38 ET by Dan The Man 2First of all the "media" never attacked President Bush - Well my facts are that they sure did a good job of bashing President Bush over the idea of conscription service. The Democrats were the ones bringing it up and the idea of instituting it was all over the place and during the 2004 election it was on all the talking heads memo's. I guess you were in your cave during that time?
Obama has proposed many things in his websites and in interviews and compulsory service of some type, I say that because it has changed many times, has pretty much always been forthright.
I will stop being paranoid when he stops acting like teh messiah or being a socialist. So that is gonna be never.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.