MSNBC's Jansing Spins Spike Lee Tweet That Put Elderly Couple In Jeopardy As 'Twitter Error'
A few days ago, left-wing director Spike Lee, who has 248,000+ followers on Twitter, retweeted an item bearing what was supposed to be the address of George Zimmerman, the man who claims to have shot Miami teen Trayvon Martin in self defense a month ago in Sanford, Florida. But the address was incorrect and the occupants of the residence are an elderly couple who bear no relation to Zimmerman. As a result of Lee's retweet, they've received hate mail and, fearing for their safety, have fled their home.
Yet when it came her turn to report the development today, MSNBC's Chris Jansing did her level best to spin the news in such a way as to absolve Lee -- who directed some of the network's Lean Forward promo spots -- of any culpability for putting the couple in jeopardy. Here's the relevant transcript. Video follows the page break (MP3 audio here):
A Twitter error has reportedly forced an elderly Florida couple to leave their home in fear for their lives. The couple's address was mistakenly posted on Twitter as belonging to George Zimmerman, the man who shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.
Well, the couple's son says the original tweet came from a California man but was retweeted by director Spike Lee to his quarter of a million followers. The son is named William George Zimmerman, no relation to the Martin shooter. Spike Lee's tweet has since been removed.
You'll notice there was no mention of Lee's MSNBC ties nor of whether or not Lee has apologized for his tweet. A review of his Twitter stream as of 11:15 a.m. today reveals no apology. Indeed, in addition to apologizing to the elderly couple, Lee should apologize to Zimmerman and his family, as there is no legitimate purpose in trying to expose the man's address to the larger public other than the hope that some wacko might visit violence upon him.
Update/Related item [12:57 p.m. EDT]: Ezra Dulis at Big Hollywood notes that Lee's tweeting the address is a violation of Twitter terms of service:
Filmmaker Ladd Ehlinger points out that posting home addresses without permission is expressly prohibited by Twitter's user agreement:
You may not publish or post other people's private and confidential information, such as credit card numbers, street address or Social Security/National Identity numbers, without their express authorization and permission.
Whether Twitter will take action against Lee's account for these tweets remains to be seen. One may claim that since the tweets were first composed by another account and Lee merely retweeted, the tweets cannot be considered his own. That case seems flimsy, since Twitter rules prohibit both "publishing" and "posting"--publishing representing original tweeting, and posting presumably representing retweeting.
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Blood on MSNBC Host's hands...
Submitted by Annie Ashe Fields on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 11:25am.
...if those people are hurt WITHOUT A DIRECT CONDEMNATION of Spike Lee's actions.
They've ALREADY been victims of domestic terror and have suffered a fiscal penalty (paying for a hotel room - with CASH, no doubt, so they can't be traced).
Beck is right, this morning with his repeated characterizations of what we are seeing as PURE, NAKED EVIL. He's said it before but he's hammering it home this morning and HE'S RIGHT.
"PURE NAKED EVIL'
Submitted by dyardley on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 11:40am.
Anne you got it in 3 words!! I'm 66 yrs old and I've never seen this level of hatred before. It frankly frightens me. I place the blame on our president's lack of leadership, race and class baiting. He seems to forget he is supposed to be the president (small letters intentional) of the United States of America, not just his chosen classes, races and religions. Right behind him are Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and people of their ilk, BLACK and WHITE.
We need to be on our knees praying for intervention.
I'm only 46...
Submitted by Annie Ashe Fields on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:17pm.
...and without a "brand" of religion, but for lack of a better word, will say "God" help us all... I fall to my knees about every other month or so, when my husband is at work and my children are at school and I've spent the morning reading the news and the weight of it hits me...
I can't BELIEVE what I am seeing in my country - and never knew how much I loved it until I felt it slipping away.
I am doing EVERYTHING I can to help STOP IT.
I know you are too.
May God bless & keep us all, and keep us soft (in our demeanor towards others), and smart, and patient (but not to the point of weakness) with those who give rise to anger in us... We will need the patience of saints...
Spot On, Annie
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:06pm.
Our latest resident troll, vandamage, who was vociferous in his defense of the mob, has gone missing now that the actual facts in the case have leaked out.
But that hasn't stilled the lynch mob mentality (vannie hated that!) and the call(s) for vigilante justice. And Spike Lee's irresponsible Tweet, and MSNBC's complicity in spreading the hate and lies, will end in tragedy.
Some idiot, inflamed by the NBP's "ransom" (which is now up to a MILLION DOLLARS) will no doubt kill these poor people. I agree with the poster below, a giant lawsuit, for a hate crime, needs to be filed immediately against both Spike Lee, MSNBC, the NPB, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et. al.
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I've noticed that J
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 2:33pm.
VanDumbass seems to be MIA since the info is pointing the other way... wonder why that is? Who was the other wanting Zimmerman's head?? He seems to be MIA also. Nothing like being apparently wrong to shut them the hell up.
If I were the elderly couple targeted by Spike Jerk I'd sue his ever-lovin' ass off! And Twitter too!
Amazing how that works, isn't it, Ruk?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 2:43pm.
Utterly predictable, too.
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Sad part is Spike Lee is
Submitted by Sude23 on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 2:40am.
Sad part is Spike Lee is probably thinking 'Well they probably deserved it...'
So what? They're probably white, so who cares, right?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 11:31am.
I'm sure that if something tragic had happened to them because of this, that MSNBC would consider it just a "tragic accident" caused by a misunderstanding and mistake.
"Can't we just all get along?"
NB
Submitted by Seashell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:12pm.
They are white. So if something happens to them that's ok, they probably deserve what they get.
I saw a picture of the couple
Submitted by rowdygirl on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 11:43am.
I saw a picture of the couple online today; they're white. If they get hurt or killed, it will be spun as a righteous killing from the left. The decent thing to do would have been to condemn Lee's actions, but that won't happen. The fact that he hasn't apologized (which would be fake anyway) shows even more of his true character.
Tam
Law suit
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:22pm.
I imagine attorneys are already contacting this couple to help them file a law suit against Spike Lee that will make his cap spin.
Take him to the cleaners.
And hif they are mentally and/or physically harmed by vigilantes called to action by the New Black Panther Party bounty, then the GOP should blame Holder for not squashing these thugs after the Philadelphia voting place incident.
Screw waiting for this racist Spike Lee to apologize
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 11:51am.
Instant lawsuit. Through his DIRECT actions, he has caused pain and suffering, as well as financial burdenr, to these innocent people. He had no business sticking his bulbous nose into the issue in the first place, since neither he, nor Sharpton, nor Jackson, nor the NBPP, nor all these protestors/rioters have the first clue as to what really happened. I'd sue his 1% racist a$$ off. Then I'd go after the ignorant SOB in LA that originally posted the tweet, who also doesn't have a dog in this fight. But as usual, we have the media egging these a$$hats on, while facilitating the innocent, smiling, good-natured black youth facade about poor Trayvon. The media are culpable, while Spike and this Marcus Davonne Higgins in LA who started the tweet are directly responsible for any and all hardships and suffering incurred by this elderly couple. This is pure racism gone wild, and no one has the balls to publicly call it what it is. Just think for a moment what the LSM would be saying if Trayvon was a WHITE teen shot by a black or hispanic C.O.P. and a WHITE group put out a bounty on the shooter, WHITE entertainers tweeted the shooter's home address (to facilitate the kidnapping or murder of the shooter), congress brought the WHITE family to D.C. to spout off, and an innocent BLACK or HISPANIC elderly couple was forced to flee their home because of a "twitter error"? NO ONE could possibly dispute the outrage and rioting that would ensue from the black/hispanic communities.
Enough of the double-standard. These race-baiters need to be told to STFU, the media needs to be hammered by the FCC, and anyone committing or facilitating a crime against ANYONE needs to be arrested, charged, and tried for such actions.
Capp
Submitted by Seashell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:26pm.
You are SO right. Lee should be sued for everything he is worth. Lee has no idea what he has done to these people. They are living in fear, and the classless Lee has not so much as even issued a tweet to admit his error and offer an apology. This couple should call Ted Olson and sue the pants off this guy!
That's despicable.
Submitted by dave_worrell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:01pm.
This and the bounty that's been put out. That's not justice. It's hatred and violence, pure and simple.
There's a real investigation now. Let the guy be arrested, put on trial, and have each side argue their case in court. No need for this senselessness.
Lets charge the NBP and Spike Lee
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:15pm.
With makinf terroristic threats, because that is exactly what they are doing.
Berkowitz
Submitted by dave_worrell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:50pm.
I remember an interview with Lee after he did Summer of Sam where he said he got a message from Berkowitz where he said something more or less innocuous but mentioned Lee's wife and kids by name. Lee said that was a threat, and it probably was to be honest.
This is the exact same thing. Tweeting the address, even if it had been the correct address, was a call to vigilantism and violence.
It's like when that blog put up Jim Webb's brother's address. Except this time it's the media going "Oops, collateral damage."
Dave, what are you going to do if the grand jury,
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:55pm.
after reviewing all of the evidence, doesn't indict? What are you going to say?
Maybe this will end in an arrest and trial, maybe it won't. I know, your mind is made up, Zimmerman has to stand trial, but what if the grand jury says nope, not enough evidence to support any charge?
Simple
Submitted by dave_worrell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 1:20pm.
I'm going to say that another criminal got away with a horrible crime. Happens all too often, but the system has to allow for that to protect the innocent. It's not a perfect system, but it's the best in the world.
This is manslughter at the very least and if he doesn't even have to stand trial for it, then justice will not have been served.
Why would you say that?
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 1:38pm.
"I'm going to say that another criminal got away with a horrible crime."
Why would you say that? Do you have some relevant in formation that a Grand Jury wouldn't have access to and are, therefor, better able to decide things like culpability, or are you simply letting your emotions take control because of what you saw on TV and on the Net? It looks to me that you've already decided that this man in guilty, even though you don't have any actual evidence on which to base that decision. In this respect, you're not any different than Spike Lee, who, like you, is sure of the man's apparent guilt.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
mr. worrell is convinced
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:01pm.
that Zimmerman is guilty, no matter the evidence. He and VanDumbass are on a crusade (sp?) to get him tried and executed... period. Their minds are made up, evidence be damned! White (white hispanic) guilt don't 'cha know...
I have no white guilt.
Submitted by dave_worrell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:54pm.
That's just laughable.
It's pretty funny the liberals call me a moron and a bad person for not assuming Zimmerman was a racist who went looking to kill a black kid and my fellow conservatives say all kinds of insulting things about me because I don't believe there's secret evidence that's yet to come to light after a month even though Zimmerman's lawyer and the police reports have established his side and the evidence they say backs that up.
And I don't want him executed. I want him tried. Period. If he and his lawyer can persuade a jury he was within his legal rights to follow, engage, and shoot an unarmed kid and has no legal culpability, so be it.
"If he and his lawyer can
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:05pm.
"If he and his lawyer can persuade a jury he was within his legal rights to follow, engage, and shoot an unarmed kid and has no legal culpability, so be it."
No, it doesn't sound like you've made your mind up at all.
They are convening a grand jury on April 10th. If those people decide there is enough evidence to go to trial with, then they will. If not, then he will not be charged with anything. He doesn't have to be put into a court room if there isn't enough evidence to charge him. It's the way the justice system has worked for quite a while now and it shouldn't be changed just beause it doesn't suit thousands of hysterical and ignorant people.
As far as information, I doubt seriously that the police have released every single bit of information there is in this case. It's just the way things are done. There is no "secret" evidence, but I assure you, all of the evidence has not been released.
The grand jury wouldn't have been convened.
Submitted by dave_worrell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:31pm.
The grand jury wouldn't have been convened without the outcry against the injustice.
Now that they actually care to pursue the facts of the case, I'm perfectly comfortable letting the process play out. I fully expect justice to be upheld and for Zimmerman to face his crime in court. If the grand jury declines to indict, it'll definitely surprise me.
And you know this how?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 5:07pm.
The case was still open.
Apparently Dave_ seems to
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 5:59pm.
Apparently Dave_ seems to think Zimmerman punched himself in the nose and back of his own head.
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Thus far, the facts of the case...
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 5:23pm.
...vis-a-vis Florida statutes, have not warranted an arrest of Mr. Zimmerman.
Why don't you carpetbaggers get out of my state, and let the wheels of justice turn? Without your meddling?
If New Yawkas, or Detroiters, want to string up their own....I'll stay out of it. Why don't you all pay me the same respect?
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Thumbs up!
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 5:51pm.
I luz you J, even if you are a Gata. : )
You love me Ruk....
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 5:54pm.
Because I'm a Gator!
Sharp teeth, claws, and all that.
:)
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Don't forget "cracker."
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 7:22pm.
Not the PAC variety, of course!
You haven't been paying attention
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 5:49pm.
lately have you? The "kid" is turning out to be a thug, possibly a gang banger. But, NO, your white guilt, yes, that's you, says take Zimm to trial! He must have been guilty of something, OMG! he's white! (or white-hispanic, whatever) and the "kid, child, little boy, whatever" is black! Whatever "dude", you are Sharpton Jr. It appears, more and more, that your wringing over this was wrong, period! You prolly had the lacrosse players in jail early too, 'din ya? Give it up Worrell, it's appearing more and more YOU WERE WRONG! Loser. Have a nice day.
So,you're already convinced that manslaughter was
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 1:42pm.
committed? There is no presumption of innocence, in your mind? Even after everything that was linked in the other thread? So, regardless of what happens, "another criminal got away with a horrible crime"?
How about this? That the State's Attorney said the evidence wouldn't support a conviction for manslaughter? "But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News".
Now, before you go into high dudgeon because the investigator wanted to file charges, realize that he wouldn't have to prosecute the case, the State's Attorney would have to. And, he couldn't see, under the applicable laws in place at the time, that there was enough evidence to support a conviction.
Sorry, Dave, with your mindset, you've actually outed yourself as someone who doesn't believe in justice.
As the evidence comes in...
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:08pm.
It's looking more and more like the "sweet, innocent little child" isn't so much. Been suspended from school several times... has, at least, ties to a local gang (through FB), has drug ties (using, possibly dealing (FB), friends with known gang bangers...) This is NO innocent child! Looking more and more like he turned around and bit off more than he could chew, and paid for it, sad. I'm sad he was killed, but it's looking he attacked Zimmerman and paid the price, sad but true. I hope politics don't try Mr. Zimmerman, unlike Spike Dumbass tried an old couple with his tweet...
He admits he shot the kid.
Submitted by dave_worrell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:16pm.
I'm actually going by his statement. Assuming his version of how everything went down is true, he shouldn't have pursued Martin. The kid died because of Zimmerman's bad choices and Zimmerman pointing and shooting a gun at an unarmed person. Manslaughter, Involuntary Manslaughter, illegally attempting to stop a crime with undue force or however exactly it's worded, I'm not married to a specific charge. He committed a crime, based on his own description of what happened.
I love how we've got a sliding scale of belief in the police now. The other night it was all about "So you think the police, who knew all the secret evidence we don't know, and decided not to charge him are wrong?" Now that they know the lead homicide detective who had all that secret evidence nobody else knows wanted to charge him with Manslaughter, those guys throw him under the bus and embrace the attorney. They're gonna embrace anyone and everyone who gives you any possible out for Zimmerman having to take legal responsibility for killing a kid.
The two republican authors of Stand Your Ground have said that law shouldn't protect him and he should have been arrested. Jeb Bush says Stand Your Ground shouldn't protect Zimmerman.
The man has to face a court of law for what he did. That's justice.
~Shooting someone is not a crime
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:28pm.
if you're forced to do it in self-defense. Or do you think that every woman who's shot a man trying to rape her should go to jail?
Because that's exactly what I said.
Submitted by dave_worrell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:46pm.
Zimmerman gave his version of what happened. I'm using his story. He wasn't forced to kill this kid.
Simply not following the kid he thought was a danger when he was advised not to would have kept him from "being forced" to kill the kid.
That's where he becomes culpable.
And I actually think Zimmerman's probably a pretty decent guy and Martin's not anywhere near as sweet as they're depicting him. But sweet guys aren't allowed to indiscriminately kill unarmed not sweet guys, either. Especially when they should have stayed in the car and let the police do their job.
Please note I did not condone rape anywhere in that post.
And you know this how?
Submitted by Model850 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:53pm.
Simply not following the kid he thought was a danger when he was advised not to....
And you are privy to that "fact" exactly how?
All accounts I've read and heard do not establish conclusively that Zimmerman ignored the police dispatcher's admonition "We don't need you to do that." The 911 tapes can be interpreted to indicate that Zimmerman did break off following of Martin, as he replied, "OK." And he claims he was attacked from behind as he returned to his car.
Every story has two sides. I think it wise to not claim facts not in evidence.
I'm privy to that because it's Zimmerman's version.
Submitted by dave_worrell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:59pm.
I mean, if people can't believe the version put forth by the police and Zimmerman, then they literally are ignoring all the evidence in some vague hope that dreams can come true, it can happen to Zim.
He got out of the car and followed Martin, then lost track of him and turned back to go back to his car. Then Trayvon came out and flattened him with a superpunch. That's Zimmerman's version. His own statement of the facts were that he did not follow the advice of the dispatcher and followed Martin.
That's the shooter's side and the evidence of his statement given to the police.
OH, now you finally say it...
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 6:03pm.
Zimmerman is lying, "his version", we get it now. No matter WHAT went down, Zim is lying. That's why he called the cops before hand, that's why he stopped perusing the poor, little black boy, that's why when the "poor little black boy" turned the tables, as Zim was walking back to his car... We all know the story now Worrier, it's not so cut and dried as your white guilt (amazing since Zim is Hispanic) has it to be. When your case goes to shit you fall on the "lie" card (along with your obvious race card), sorry bud, you're losing... Martin attacked Zim and got dead, end of story. DEAL WITH IT! Have a nice day.
dave_worrell
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 6:26pm.
Using your logic, when Zimmerman broke off his search, it was Martin who became the aggressor who chased down, confronted, and without apparent cause violently assaulted Zimmerman. Then Martin began to brutally beat Zimmerman's head on the sidewalk. Zimmerman subsequently reasoned his life was in danger from a violent "unarmed" young man who continued to injure him despite desperate cries for help, culminating in Martin being shot to death.
Based on the evidence and statements released to the public so far, Martin became the hunter and the aggressor when no threat existed to him. Maybe you should wait to condemn Zimmerman and the police until after you know the full story.
Can anyone establish that Zimmerman had a duty to no longer follow Martin after the 911 operator says "We don't need you to do that"?
911 calls can be heard here. Odd how Zimmerman's phone number and partial address were left uncensored while there was obvious censoring of other callers's personal data.
One other oddity about one-third into the recording, one woman calling into 911 says she heard a gunshot and the operator tells her to go outside and look around. The caller basically says no way because there was a gunshot. Smart woman caller.
strat...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 8:14pm.
The "failure to obey" offenses customarily arise in connection with traffic control or civil disturbances. I don't know about Florida, but this Mississippi statute is germane to the issue generally. It is highly unlikely any legal obligation would attach in Zimmerman's case inasmuch as the "instructions" by the 911 operator--who may or may not have been acting under the color of law--were advisory, or at least could have been reasonably construed to be a recommendation only, uttered by someone not on the scene and without the present ability to make an arrest, in relation to activity which was not prima facie unlawful.
§ 97-35-7. Disorderly conduct; failure to comply with requests or commands of law enforcement officers; penalties; exception.
(1) Whoever, with intent to provoke a breach of the peace, or under such circumstances as may lead to a breach of the peace, or which may cause or occasion a breach of the peace, fails or refuses to promptly comply with or obey a request, command, or order of a law enforcement officer, having the authority to then and there arrest any person for a violation of the law, to:
(a) Move or absent himself and any vehicle or object subject to his control from the immediate vicinity where the request, command or order is given, or...
(h) Walk or move to, enter and remain in, either or both, as may be directed by such officer, any police or other vehicle operated by any law enforcement officer or department, or any other vehicle designated by such an officer, or
(i) Act or do or refrain from acting or doing as ordered, requested or commanded by said officer to avoid any breach of the peace at or near the place of issuance of such order, request or command, shall be guilty of disorderly conduct, which is made a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, such person or persons shall be punished by a fine of not more than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00) or imprisonment in the county jail for not more than six (6) months, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(2) Any person who causes, or aids, or encourages, or abets another to violate, or in violating, any provision of subsection (1) hereof, shall be guilty of disorderly conduct which is made a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, such person or persons shall be punished by a fine of not more than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00) or imprisonment in the county jail for not more than six (6) months, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(3) If any person alone or in concert with others violates subsection (1) or (2) hereof, or both, under such circumstances or in such a manner as to evince a willful and wanton disregard for the life or safety of another and if as a result thereof another person or persons be injured, maimed or killed, the person or persons so violating subsection (1) or (2) hereof, or both, shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, such person or persons shall be imprisoned in the State Penitentiary not longer than five (5) years or be fined not more than Two Thousand Dollars ($2,000.00), or both such fine and imprisonment.
(4) The act of breast-feeding shall not constitute disorderly conduct.
Question for you, doc: Shouldn't a beating victim, bleeding from the nose and scalp--his head reportedly having been slammed repeatedly on a sidewalk--be kept at a hospital overnight for observation?
Thanks...
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 8:26pm.
Initially Zimmerman refused to go to the hospital, and if he didn't want to stay they can't force him.
By the way, is there anything illegal about the NBP putting a bounty out on Zimmerman? And would the couple living at the address Spike Lee tweeted have any recourse? I would hope something would be able to be done to let these people know that they can't try to take the law into their own hands.
I keep thinking of parents who lived in Florida for half a year when they were alive. Scary stuff.
And if he had chosen not to go to the hospital ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 8:50pm.
in the first place, unless the law enforcement officer on scene could articulate how Zimmerman presented a danger to himself (or others) by refusing to be medically examined, then Zimmerman cannot be forced to seek medical help.
If the officer were to take Zimmerman by force, against Zimmerman's wishes, the officer would be guilty of kidnapping.
In CA, paramedics carry forms to be signed by conscious individuals refusing medical treatment at any scene where there has been an injury. Unconscious persons are transported under what is known as the "implied consent" law.
The forms are called 'AMA' paperwork - Against Medical Advice. If a person denies treatment, but refuses to sign the AMA paperwork, it is so noted on the AMA form by the attendant paramedic.
MD
Why would I
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 8:55pm.
Sign the form?
No one can be forced, Boudin, to sign an ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 9:36pm.
AMA form. It is not a mandatory form issued under an official seal.
A person refusing treatment is asked to sign the form, which declares that they, of their own volition, are disregarding the advice of an experienced medical professional.
The only reason I can think of for an individual not wanting to sign the form, would be that if medical complications arose post accident, the individual may think he has recourse to sue the on scene personnel for not insisting he be treated for his injuries, as there would be no written proof that he signed off in favor of not being treated.
Pointless, that, as either law enforcement, fire, or ambulance personnel would have witnessed the individuals desire not to be taken to a medical facility for further examination. Related witness information would be noted on the AMA form against any future attempt at filing a 'dereliction of duty' lawsuit against those personnel.
MD
Other Reasons
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 10:00pm.
There are a variety of reasons to refuse further medical care. It could be shock, arrogance, anger, fear, or the person doesn't think they need further care for whatever (il)logic. It could be they have alcohol or some drug, prescribed or not, in their system they fear discovery.
It is not uncommon that people involved in motor vehicle accidents to refuse transport to an ER but later on seek medical care. Sometimes it's because they've been told to do it as part of documentation for a legal suit, but sometimes it's because they don't feel the pain till later.
Responsibility,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 10:13pm.
I had to pay an Ambulance bill when I called it for someone else. They didnt use it, and I paid 150.oo bucks for it.
I should add
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 10:20pm.
Here we have a privet co that does ambulance services.
One more stratman*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 10:15pm.
Could be the person has no insurance. An ambulance ride would cost about $600 or more, an ER visit could cost thousands. When the medics checked him out, he may have then decided to see his personal physician. A person in shock may be in some denial as well. Refusing to admit he has an injury because he is staring down at a dead young boy. That being a lot more "serious" that a broken nose. Sometimes its a "guy" thing as well.
Thanks, strat ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 10:25pm.
you painted a much more inclusive (and proper) answer for Boudin than did I.
It occurred to me while reading your post that insurance company requirements might factor in, as well.
Without medical verification - no payment of medical costs.
MD
MD
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 11:15pm.
I think you (and Cajun) had excellent posts that complemented and expanded on mine. Between all of us, a fuller picture of the possibilities was portrayed.
Strength in numbers, my friend.
Thanks, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 9:06pm.
Jer
Rad...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 9:02pm.
I think there are a multitude of criminal offenses associated with the despicable action by the NBP potentially applicable to Zimmerman or the couple or both, e.g. reckless endangerment, criminal defamation, incitement, conspiracy to murder, conspiracy to inflict grievous bodily harm, criminal harassment, and criminal assault...to name a few.
Jer
Thanks Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 9:13pm.
Hopefully someone from law enforcement has gotten in touch with NBP and warned them to discontinue their actions. Like I said, I keep seeing my parents as that 70 year old couple, or someone who bears a similarity to Zimmerman being "brought in".
Jer
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 9:03pm.
Thank you for adding your legal experience. I wish you would do it more often.
Concerning Zimmerman and alleged injuries: I read he was initially handcuffed and placed in the back of a police cruiser where he was examined by the on scene medical professional (fire department or ambulance squad I would think). The on the scene findings may have been reported back to a hospital ER and a decision by the on the scene squad, possibly under the guidance of another higher ranking/educated individual, made the determination no transport to an ER was required. For all we know, Zimmerman could have refused transport to an ER.
There is now a surveillance video of a handcuffed Zimmerman being taken out of a cruiser, searched and then taken into the police facility (where he was interrogated). ABC makes a conclusion no injury is seen in the video. I cannot agree with 10% certitude. There may be an injury to the parietal area of the skull (back of head where his bald spot is) as seen when Zimmerman is walking away from the camera in the garage. There may also be the start of a shiner in his right orbital area (right eye) seen as he walks closest to the camera once inside the facility at the end of the video. These may be artifacts of the video. Point is, I would not rush to judgment using this video like ABC did.
Interestingly, and quite hypocritically, ABC makes a point
Yet ABC uses an older picture of Martin at the top of the article, one where he appears younger and more innocent, despite the availability of at least one other picture closer to his age at the time of his death but gives him a more menacing appearance.
Duct tape please.
Even as the details continue to dribble into the
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 10:57pm.
public domain, there remain so many unanswered questions. It would be nice if the SPD would go ahead and release everything that it can or will make public at this stage of the renewed investigation. The dribs and drabs for the most part only add to the confusion rather than provide much-needed clarity. I've seen [or heard] conflicting accounts concerning Zimmerman's request for treatment and the type and timing of the medical services rendered [although I think it is undisputed that he did receive aid at the scene].
By the way, having now read the initial incident report and watched the surveillance video, I would argue Zimmerman was, in fact, technically "arrested", although subsequently released without being formally charged.
As far as the photos posted by ABC, I understand your objections but will note that there are a few of the less 'angelic' pictures of Martin displayed at the website--albeit less prominently--as well as in the several videos available for viewing.
Jer
rubbish.
Submitted by NL207 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 10:58pm.
You know as well as anyone the police can't release any details of their investigation if a Grand Jury is going to act on it. The Grand Jury in that county does not convene until April 10 according to what I've heard. I would not expect to hear a peep about this case from official sources until the DA knows whether there will be an indictment.
Oh really, Inspector?
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 12:10am.
Note the words...
"...go ahead and release everything that it can or will make public..."
What exactly do you think "can or will" means?
Besides, the mere fact that a Grand Jury is or will be convened does not automatically impose an unqualified and unlimited gag order on each and every detail, physical record, or public utterance related to an ongoing investigation. Some matters are statutorily available for public inspection, some are statutorily excluded, some records are open for scrutiny unless an exemption is asserted by the authorities, and still other information can be voluntarily released which might otherwise be confidential.
Jer
More rubbish
Submitted by NL207 on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 1:20am.
If the case is publicly divulged and an indictment is handed down, what do you suppose the defense attorney representing Zimmerman in such an event will do? I think he will argue that the national media circus surrounding the case will make it impossible for his client to receive a fair trial anywhere. He will move to have the charges reduced or dismissed altogether, and there will be probable cause to do so.
I think the DA will not appreciate any such disclosures.
Well, by all means,
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 1:29am.
let's try to head off that circus atmosphere before it occurs. <sarc off>
Jer
Bingo, Jer.
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 1:13am.
If one is handcuffed and stuffed into a police car, and transported to HQ, it's a reasonable assumption that he's, at the least, being detained. He's lost his freedom of movement.
He was interviewed, and then released without formal charge.
And, he was treated at the scene, and I believe, then sought treatment on his own, after his release.
Jer, as I mentioned in the other, far longer thread,
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 12:27am.
for any of that to apply, it's also necessary to determine the dispatch arrangement in Sanford.
Is dispatching done from a county-wide dispatch center, or the Sanford PD? Are the phone operators and dispatchers sworn officers or civilians? If they're civilians, they can give no "command or order" to callers, they can make requests.
UpNorth...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 1:02am.
Agreed. I don't see how it could directly impact Zimmerman's legal position, unless it had, at the very least, been a clear and unequivocal command issued by someone who identified himself or herself as an officer of the law.
That said, it may have some evidentiary value with respect to Zimmerman's motives and the reasonableness of his judgment and conduct.
Jer
Thanks, Jer, I thought so.
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 1:08am.
But, the "we don't need you to do that(follow Martin)" advice to Zimmerman needs to be put into context. At least, as to when he was told, before he set off on foot, or when he was on foot, and lost sight of him as he was told not to follow him, or just when.
Then again, Zimmerman had every right to be there, either in his car, or on foot, as Martin did.
UpNorth...I've read so many accounts, transcripts and time
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 1:24am.
lines--not to mention the hearsay upon hearsay, pure speculation, and sheer fantasy--over the past few days that it's becoming a jumbled mess.
But, I believe Zimmerman did continue to follow Martin despite the advice to the contrary, then reportedly lost sight of him and was returning to his vehicle to await the arrival of the police when he was confronted by Martin and the physical altercation ensued.
Jer
Amazing,
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 8:10am.
So after admitting you haven't a clue, you know exactly what happened.
So, how did you come to this conclusion? Fair dust, or telepathy?
Actually, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 1:27am.
I thought to myself "Hmm...what would Boudin think?"...and then concluded precisely the opposite. I've found that practice virtually guarantees the right answer. Fair dust works pretty well, too.
Jer
~Look, I was willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 9:14pm.
but the evidence that has come out is quite damning.
From the beginning I wondered how Zimmerman caught up to a slender, athletic teen who had a head start, and the transcript indicates that Zimmerman had lost sight of him and broken off pursuit.
He stopped in the middle of giving the cops his address, saying that he didn't know where the kid was. This indicates that he'd lost sight of him. The dispatcher says "we don't need you to do that" about following the teen and Zimmerman says, "OK". As you may be aware, "OK" is an affirmative.
At this point, Martin becomes the aggressor and Zimmerman is put in the position of defending himself. If you're jumped and someone is on top of you beating your head into the ground, do you nobly refrain from defending yourself with the weapon you have available and hope your attacker stops beating you soon? And then hope that your attacker doesn't search you, find your weapon, and kill you with it?
Get real.
Dave.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:36pm.
Police investigate. They turn the evidence over to the prosecutors.
Prosecutors then decide if there is enough evidence to go before a grand jury.
The grand jury decides if there is enough evidence to go to trial.
As the old saying goes, you can indict a ham sandwich because it doesn't take much evidence to clear that hurdle.
If they can't even get Zimmerman past a grand jury, which is unlikely because of all the heat on this case, he walks.
Of course, he won't walk far, because the Black Panthers and the Justice Bros already have a hit out on him, so you'll get your "justice" one way or the other.
Hope you'll be happy with it.
I won't be happy with vigilantism. That's not justice.
Submitted by dave_worrell on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:47pm.
I already said it was reprehensible, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good personal insult. So many here sure haven't let the facts instill in them a desire to see a man tried for killing an unarmed kid.
You know Worrell, I bet you'd really suck at GTA.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 5:06pm.
Level Fourteen:
You just decked me and broke my nose, now you're on top of me slamming my head into the pavement. Then you notice I pulled my gun, but like an L14 noob, you don't try to wrest it away from me, instead you just allow me to blow you into Game Over.
Feel free to retweet as required.
Who threw him under the bus?
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 9:57pm.
Who threw him under the bus? Please show me where anybody did that, please? And fortunately, the justice system gets to decide what's justice, not you.
Just because stand your ground may not apply in this case doesn't mean it wasn't self defense.
I agree with Dave
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 2:16pm.
If he isn't tried and convicted, and he actually DID do something illegal, then it's the libs own hypocrisy slapping them back in the face. It's THIER position that it's better that a hundred murderers go free than it is to convict ONE innocent man. This has been their philosophy for decades. And who is it that CONSTANTLY protests for the release of cop killers, and allows terrorists like Ayres to teach our young? Who was it that so tied up our court system that a murderer can be caught on video raping and dismembering a teen girl, yet be released because the arresting cop skipped a word on his Miranda rights? It certainly ain't conservatives.
The bottom line here is that it isn't up to Jesse, or Al, or the NBPP, or the LSM to spout off about this, ESPECIALLY when they don't have the facts. And if this was reversed, and it was a white kid killed, no one would have even heard about it. THAT'S the issue here.
Nonsense...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 6:02pm.
"...it's the libs own hypocrisy slapping them back in the face. It's THIER (sic) position that it's better that a hundred murderers go free than it is to convict ONE innocent man."
That particular concept--or at least variations on the theme and the comparative numbers--has been advanced and embraced for thousands of years, from Genesis to Roman codes to Maimonides to William Blackstone and English common law to 17th century American Puritanism to Benjamin Franklin to numerous members of the US Supreme Court, liberal and conservative alike. BETTER THE GUILTY SHOULD GO FREE THAN THE INNOCENT CONVICTED IS A BEDROCK PRINCIPLE OF OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
How about acquainting yourself with historical fact before spewing partisan rubbish.
Jer
Jer, what's your take on the potential jury pool?
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 7:29pm.
Have the Justice Brotha's, Spike, The President and the rest of the crowd demonstrating in Florida done enough to taint the local jury pool? How can Zimmerman possibly get a fair trial in the county where this happened? I think it's conceivable that a change of venue would be in the cards, if the grand jury, in fact, issues an indictment. A change to, say the Upper Peninsula of Michigan?/sarc. It may be that the folks in the streets everyday, not to mention,hoodie wearing members of congress, and others, may have unintentionally insured that an impartial jury might be impossible to find.
As to the possiblity of Federal charges, I would think that Zimmerman might get a fair trial in, oh, say, Fargo, N.D., Boise, Idaho, or Fairbanks, AK. Not anywhere closer.
And why, exactly, Jer, should Cappmann take ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 8:19pm.
the advice put forth in your last sentence?
Apparently you don't see the incongruity of your advice when it is compared to what you have to say on most NB threads,
Hint - something to do with the word partisan. :o)
MD
Well, Matthew, at least my partisan rubbish is reasonably
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 8:30pm.
fact-based rubbish.
Jer
Well, Jer, though getting a big ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 9:49pm.
laugh from picturing you trying that with a judge during some type of legal proceeding:
"Well, your honor, at least my presentation is reasonably fact-based ---"
I will concede legal issues to your legal training and experience.
Except for opportunities to bug you, of course.
MD
Nothing partisan about my post Jer
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 3:51pm.
I'm not talking about falsely convicting anyone. I'm talking about incontrovertible proof of a crime being disallowed because of a technicality. It's happened again and again in our system (which, I hasten to say, is still the best in the world). It has been liberals who have consistently forced this travesty onto our courts. IMO, if such a case occurs, where there is clear, irrefutable proof the suspect committed the crime, then even though it may have been obtained incorrectly or some other technicality is introduced, it should be admissable. The officer(s), lab techs, or whomever committed the faux pas should then be disciplined as appropriate. None of this involves wrongfull conviction.
One also has to look to the security of society as a whole. While one innocent conviction is a tragedy, the harm to society from 100 released murderers is far, far worse.
Wrong again, dave_worrell, as you say ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 7:59pm.
"There's a real investigation now. Let the guy be arrested, put on trial ---', yada, yada, yada.
Whattya mean, there's a "real'' investigation now?
You just weren't happy with the first one because Zimmerman wasn't arrested up front.
Even now you appear to be advocating Zimmerman be arrested before THIS investigation is completed.
Either you are very poor at clarifying in type what is in your mind ; or you just ain't gonna be happy unless Zimmerman is excoriated by those who choose to think differently than you do.
MD
Yeah, MD.
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 12:59pm.
Ole Dave seems hell bent on Zimmerman being arrested, damn the evidence, or lack thereof. The narratives and "timelines" that have been posted just cloud the facts further, no one knows where Zimmerman was when he was again in contact with Martin. No one knows when Zimmerman stopped following Martin. Yet some insist that alone is cause to arrest him.
As I said, upthread, Zimmerman had every right to be where he was when he was allegedly struck by Martin, but I don't think Dave_ will ever see that. Where is it written that a citizen suddenly has no business being in a certain place? Because he called the police, he gives up his right to be somewhere, he should have to return to his home?
It doesn't matter if it was the actual address
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:15pm.
Of George Zimmerman. Lee has put a member of the public in imminent danger. I think Zimmerman should sue the NBP for putting his life in danger when he has yet to be charged of a crime!!!
Where the hell is Obama? Not leading the way toward civility, he only leads us to destruction.
Agree...
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:17pm.
totally!
they should sue him
Submitted by debiesam on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:19pm.
They should sue Spike Lee. He was negligent in handing out their address. He should be made to pay, not only for the costs involved in fleeing their home, but for the pain and suffering that he caused them.
Yes
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:17pm.
And Twitter's own policies say you CANNOT give out personnel info. Let's see how Twitter responds...
Sharpton, Barack and Jesse and Spike
Submitted by Redrowan2000 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:21pm.
Race baiting inciters of violence. This whole incident will end in one of 2 ways Zimmerman dead or in jail and if not riots in several major cities. It's the whole Rodney King episode again: "Give us what we want or we'll riot." There was a book a while ago made into a movie "Bonfire of the Vanities." It's background was NYC, today it is being played out on the American airwaves and national newspapers. The vitriolic spew from MSNBC on this is a disgrace as are the people who work there. The MSM will whip this story to a frenzy until one of the above happens and then they'll point the fingers at everybody else. Independent prosecutor or not Zimmerman is dead in the water. Guilty or not.
"Don't let the bastards grind you down."
Spike Lee
Submitted by fivestring_assassin on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:25pm.
is a domestic terrorist
If Spike Lee does not do
Submitted by ForeverOnTheRight on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:43pm.
If Spike Lee does not do anything to protect and rectify the matter for this elderly couple, he is a moral bastard and society should turn it's back on him!
Spike
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:18pm.
is and arrogent a**hole! If he appologizes it will be BS. He should be sued into poverty! Period!
What if white elderly FL couple were DUNHAM?
Submitted by Annie Ashe Fields on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:55pm.
What if Spike accidentally put the hit out on OBAMA'S GRANDPARENTS?
THINK MSNBC would be singing a different tune THEN? Spike would be tasting the underside of that bus so fast he wouldn't know what hit him.
(I realize they are deceased... This is a hypothetical...)
Not to worry, Annie
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 1:02pm.
Not to worry, Annie girl...........Boy Baraka allready 'took care' of his 'typical white grandmother' BEFORE his coronation.
I hope this couple sues the racist commie puke into poverty
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 1:31pm.
I hope he winds up living under a bridge.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
BAM!
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:19pm.
I luz me some Dave, you hit it right out of the park friend!
LOL - Thanks, Ruk
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 8:23pm.
Yeah, I do manage to make good contact once in a while. :-^)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Mensa member does Unabomber impersonation on House floor:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 1:59pm.
Chilling.
House Member and Former Black Panter
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 2:04pm.
'nuff said.
Where's the porn star, eh?
[Edit: Rush is reading this now.]
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
LOL, I thought the porn star was nuked, but I guess not...
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 2:12pm.
turns out he's just a coward.
Like we didn't know that
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 2:34pm.
*rolls eyes*
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Vein Drip spent over a week -
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 4:28pm.
Vein Drip spent over a week - evidently not even getting up from his computer to use the bathroom - making a complete and unmitigated moron of himself.....................I'm guessing that he finally crashed from his meth bender and has been sleeping for a few days. That, and even if he is the dumbest dolt to ever show up in these parts, he might have finally figured out that he's totally out of his league.....................but, mark my word - he'll be back.
Lighten up, Killa...
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 6:15pm.
who among us has not made 190+ posts on a single thread?
I hear meth will make a person do that, Sicko.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 7:31pm.
?
Spike yells "FIRE" in a
Submitted by billb on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 2:27pm.
Spike yells "FIRE" in a crowded theater! Everyone knows that this is illegal. Why is he not in jail NOW!
As long as everyone is speculating, try this: Zimmerman makes a 911 call, explains his situation. The 911 operator tells him not to follow the suspect. Zimmerman does in fact follow orders and returns to his car. While walking back to his car he's attacked from behind. If this is true, the "stand your ground law" does not apply and Zimmerman is in fact the victim.
He is not in jail, nor will
Submitted by celator on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:09pm.
He is not in jail, nor will any case be pursued because Holder has instructed that the DOJ will not pursue crimes by Black defendants. This was in reference to the Black Panther intimidation case, but the standard has been set by Holder. Same guidance will be used in the New Black Panther bounty caper. You can bet on that, and the Black Panthers know it.
A little off topic, but speaking of the Black Panthers, it's interesting to note that Bobby Rush, the rep who wore the hoodie in the House today while he made a speech, was a 1960's leader and "defense minister" of the Black Panthers chapter he founded in Chicago when they were much more violent than they are now. And he's the same Bobby Rush who insisted that Guam would tip over if we sent troops to the island. You know how islands have a tipping point because they float on the ocean. ;+}
In other words, he's a loser.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020355060457436107196845843...
but the real question is . . .
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 2:48pm.
. . . will ObamAA+ call this couple ?
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Nah
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:25pm.
They ain't one of "his people". You know dat!
wow...surprised
Submitted by D'saredumbpeople on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:05pm.
surprised he could spell the street........
Chris J (short for Christine Jorgensen?) is a bonehead.
Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:44pm.
She is running an excuse operation for Spike Lee to minimize the damage from his stupidity.
Partly correct
Submitted by LibsRevil on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 3:56pm.
Actually it was Hank Johnson (D) Ga. who made the comment about Guam tipping over. I watched the proceedings I thought that the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) answer to the question was classic. It took alot of courage on his part to keep from busting up laughing his ass off.
Twitter Errors and Wardrobe Malfunctions
Submitted by djwolf12 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 7:38pm.
Yep, no wonder the rest of the world thinks we are idiots when the PC Nazis in this country constantly use these words to describe a dastardly deed and a nipple slip on tv.
Just one question
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 10:57pm.
Isn't this the same as shouting fire in a theatre?
Do The Right Thing...
Submitted by Samaritan01 on Wed, 03/28/2012 - 11:53pm.
...unless you're Spike Lee then you CAN incite to riot or be a racist.
msnbc babes
Submitted by D'saredumbpeople on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 7:48am.
she moved up three spots on the dumbest babe list...however she can never catch the leader, MIKA......ask her if she would like this to happen to her grand parents...
Spike needs to be held accountable=
Submitted by JIMMY1660 on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 12:34pm.
perhaps $50 million or his front row seats at the Knicks games
or a baseball bat on his knees
C'mon NewsBusters...do the right thing.
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 4:10pm.
If you're going to report the "bad", follow it up with the "good":
[Lee's] tweeted contrition:
I Deeply Apologize To The McClain Family For Retweeting Their Address. It Was A Mistake. Please Leave The McClain’s In Peace.
He repeated the apology in a phone call, a conversation that left the couple feeling better about the ordeal: “He was really kind,” Elaine McClain told the Associated Press. “And when he called us, you could just tell he really felt bad about it. And it was just a slip, and I just know that he really, really has been concerned.”
Lee also compensated the family in an undisclosed settlement, the AP reported.
Regardless of Lee's motives...
Jer
So what??
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 4:17pm.
He shouldn't have been trying to put it out to the public in the first place? What was his motivation for this? Clearly hoping someone would retaliate.
I couldn't care less about his apology. He's an ass.
That's your prerogative, NC Cop...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 4:50pm.
But there have been several comments on the thread along the following lines, so I think the information I posted is pertinent:
"If Spike Lee does not do anything to protect and rectify the matter for this elderly couple, he is a moral bastard and society should turn it's back on him!"
Jer
BTW...my reference to "motives" was relative to the factors which may have influenced Lee's apology and compensation to the McClain's.
Interesting Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 7:06pm.
I wonder if Spike Lee realizes he did the same thing as Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman but without someone dying.
Mr Lee immediately reacted to an emotionally charged situation without thought. His actions put someone at risk. Trayvon Martin sees a man following him around and confronts him rather than thinking this through. That he was in an area strange to him and he should not have been so aggressive. Zimmerman was aware of the dangers in his neighborhood by the recent outbreak of crime. He sees what he thinks is suspicious behavior by an unknown person. He overreacts to a situation that quickly escalates to a tragedy.
Spike Lee is as guilty of the same thing he is outraged about from Zimmerman.
Well, cajun...for these various overreactions, Martin paid
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 7:24pm.
with his life. Lee paid with his check book. How do you think Zimmerman should pay?
Jer
Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 7:44pm.
Zimmerman has already paid for his mistakes. The full price is not yet known
or more appropriately, he is currently paying for his mistakes
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 7:53pm.
but charges are still pending.
Jer
caj
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 7:31pm.
I was listening to Hannity on the radio earlier talking about the Martin/Zimmerman thing and it occurred to me that the real issue here -if you want to get down to the root of the matter- is the distinct lack of respect for elders shown by today's youth. Yeah, I know every generation thinks the kids of the day lack respect, but society has decayed so much in recent years that today's youth, coupled with poor education, parents who aren't home and don't care, easily accessible cheap, designer drugs, and a pop culture that celebrates disobedience and you've got kids who literally challenge authority at every step, confronting teachers, police and some guy who wants to know why he's in a relatively dangerous neighborhood. And on top of all that, you've got leaders in this country condoning civil disobedience, willful ignorance of history and the law, and even basic hygiene so long as it fits their greater narrative.
Society led a kid who probably only a few years earlier would have "yes sir'd" Zimmerman to death (no pun intended) when he got out of his vehicle and asked who he was, to instead run, and then double back and challenge the adult in some form or fashion. So many people are faulting Zimmerman for noticing and then reporting a suspicious person when -in all likelihood- had the kid just been respectful, the incident would have faded quickly and quietly, with no one injured; emotionally or physically. I rather suspect that given the reports of Zimmerman's mentoring work for other black children and black churches, he might have offered his friendship and probably a ride to get the young man out of the rain. Instead, there was violence. And for that, I blame the parents. Had they been the type of parents who taught their child the importance of respect and courtesy rather than the type who's first post-grief thought was profiting off of their dead kid's name, they probably wouldn't have needed that trademark. His parents failed him, not some law in Florida. And the "leaders" his parents so idolize have failed them.
Our nation's youth are being sacrificed to further an agenda that cannot be met if young men and women are kept away from the violence and the gangs and the pop culture that degrades them. They are being bled for money to finance the dealers and the musicians and the politicians who reap the benefits of their plight. They're being hardened to survive that plight, and with it, ingrained with misplaced anger which continually feeds those who cater to them.
Exactly Bk*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 7:55pm.
I tried to explain the very same argument with Vandamage on the older thread. Here is a kid in a strange neighborhood and look how he reacts to someone in "authority". With aggression.
He lived with his mother in Miami and had already been in all kinds of trouble which is why he was sent to live with his father. A lack of respect for any authority, anger and aggressive behavior, drugs, single parent home, all makings for a disaster. The problem with this is that Trayvon did not survive long enough to engage in a long career of violent behavior.
I have posted repeatedly that the agenda here is to create racial divide. The race baiters are not the least bit interested in trying to understand the problems in the black community that have led to the young blacks being aggressive, violent, and engage in criminal behavior in their early teens. Thankfully, there are some black leaders through out the country that are trying to address these issues within the black community. But it isnt just among blacks. As you have pointed out, the breakdown of traditional family, the loss of values such as independence, self sufficiency, respect for others, and value for human life, all contribute to a decay among our young people regardless of color or culture. Look at the occupiers for a glimpse of what is to come.
If people really wanted to openly discuss this tragedy, there are a multitude of issues readily apparant that led to this incident. There are many more of these tragedies happening all over the country. But those are met with crickets since they serve no useful part in pushing the radical agenda. I grieve for my country and my grandchildren's future
~Amen
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 03/30/2012 - 8:04pm.
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