Time's Nina Burleigh Mocks Miss. Personhood Amendment as 'Rights for Zygotes'
"I would be happy to give him a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs."
That was Time contributor Nina Burleigh back in July 1998 during the Clinton impeachment saga. Not much has changed in 13 years when it comes to Burleigh's militant and outspoken defense of abortion.
Take her October 20 Time.com piece, "Mississippi's Choice: Personhood and the Rights of Zygotes," in which Burleigh attacked both pro-life activists who are pushing for a personhood amendment in Mississippi as well as "mainstream" pro-lifers who question the political and legal wisdom of the personhood amendment strategy (emphases mine):
Rebecca Kiessling embodies the right-wing female firebrand in all the clichéd ways. She has long, straight blonde hair, a law degree and bears a resemblance to Ann Coulter. She's married, a home-schooling mother of five and vehemently pro-life. What sets her apart, though, and what has made her the optimal spokeswoman for radical pro-lifers in the abortion wars, is that she is a daughter of rape, conceived when her biological mother was abducted at knifepoint in 1968. She likes to point out that she has spent her 41 years on this earth only because abortion was illegal in the state of Michigan that year. Her mother went to two back-alley abortionists before being forced, because of the law, to carry Rebecca (whom she gave up for adoption but recently readopted) to term.
For Kiessling, and the new ilk of radical pro-lifers behind what they call the "personhood" movement, anything less than a total abortion ban is simply mealymouthed appeasement. They don't bother with "redefining rape," an item on the agenda of the comparatively warm-water pro-lifers in the House this year. As far as the personhood crowd is concerned, it doesn't matter whether a rape was forcible or not: if the rape made a pregnancy, the rape victim must be legally required to gestate and give birth to a baby.
[...]
As abortion-rights group NARAL and Planned Parenthood scrambled to mount a response to yet another House bill aimed at restricting not just abortion but also women's access to contraception and medical care — HR 358, dubbed the "Let Women Die Act" for allowing emergency-room staff to refuse to provide lifesaving abortions — in Ohio, radical pro-lifers were delivering a petition to the attorney general that opens the processing of putting a similar personhood amendment before the state's voters in 2012. Similar ballot efforts are under way in Nevada, California, the Dakotas and Montana, as well as a legislative push in Wisconsin.
Personhood USA, based in Arvada, Colo., is the nerve center for this new radical antiabortion effort. The personhood drive might be to the pro-life movement what Occupy Wall Street is to the left — young, provocative and radical.
Led by two baby-faced men in their early 30s, and with photogenic Kiessling as its "I survived abortion" spokeswoman, the personhood movement is working day and night to declare all fertilized eggs — even the zygotes in IVF petri dishes, or the ones conceived in an overnight fling that are about to be eradicated with the morning-after pill — as "persons," subject to the same civil rights (chiefly, not to be murdered, but all other rights might theoretically apply) as born people.
[...]
Even mainstream pro-lifers ridicule or distance themselves from these personhood initiatives. One attorney associated with various pro-life organizations described the personhood movement as a "fool's errand," "intellectually incoherent" and "lacking thought." Antiabortion battle ax Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum website says personhood "won't prevent a single abortion" and concludes that it's bad for the movement. "This hurtful effort misleads pro-lifers with the false hope that a referendum can overturn Roe v. Wade, when only the U.S. Supreme Court can do that."
Such mainstream pro-life opposition only encourages the personhood people, as it sets them apart from what they call compromisers. "Michigan just celebrated the passage of, or the governor's signing of, a partial-birth-abortion ban," Kiessling says. "We think that's celebrating mediocrity. They can still do it if they use lethal injection" on the fetus, she says.
Aside from her loaded language against pro-lifers, Burleigh may have made some factual errors in presenting some examples of "unintended result[s]" of the bill:
If Mississippi voters approve the initiative, it will become law in 30 days, and redefine person in the more than 10,000 places in the state's law books where the word appears. One unintended result: a pregnant woman (at any stage of pregnancy) would have to be counted as two people in the Mississippi census. That may be bizarre to most Americans, but for the young crusaders in Arvada and Michigan, it all makes perfect sense.
Of course, it's the U.S. government which conducts the Census every ten years and the Mississippi state constitution's definition of personhood would not be binding on federal Census documents. What's more, it's debatable to what extent Burleigh is correct about the new "person" definition applying retroactively to every instance the term is used in Mississippi's state law books.
The wording of the personhood amendment itself suggests that the term will only govern the state's bill of rights as listed in Article III of the state constitution (emphasis mine)
Person defined. As used in this Article III of the state constitution, “The term ‘person’ or ‘persons’ shall include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.
Chief in mind to personhood advocates, most likely, is this provision in Article III, Section 14:
No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property except by due process of law.
Abortion deprives a human being of his or her right to life without due process of law. That's the point of the personhood movement and precisely why staunch pro-choicers like Burleigh insist on clouding the issue with loaded and dismissive language.
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Get off your knees Nina.
Submitted by JLin on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 3:45pm.
The only difference between you and the zygote you were is time and nutrition. Civilizations that continue to kill their "zygotes" aren't civilizations for long. Maybe that is why the left is so keen on open borders and amnesty for illegals. There always has to be some new blood for the nanny state to exploit. Even selfish Leftists understand that principle.
Burliegh says this: it
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 4:04pm.
Burliegh says this:
it doesn't matter whether a rape was forcible or not:
Just what is "not-forcible rape"?
Is that the difference between rape and rape-rape?
Role-Play
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 4:08pm.
"Just what is "not-forcible rape"?"
That's usually referred to as "role-play."
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Interesting debate tactics
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 4:14pm.
Hay, Nina, those are some interesting debate tactics you're using there: obscuration and character assassination. No mention of what the proposed laws actually contain, just you're interpretation of the motives of some of the people behind the petition. Do you often use obscuration as a debating technique? Do you often use character assassination as an argument? If so, that would explain your position in such a, cough, vaunted and often quoted news magazine.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Not passionate about
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 4:56pm.
abortion. I'm just not. No, I don't want it to run rampant, or be the preferred method of birth control, but I can understand the dread a young teenager or rape victim might feel upon learning they're pregnant. Maybe it's because I'm a male, but it's just something I can't get overly engaged about. I have a teenage son, and I know were he to impregnate his girlfriend, there would be some early anxious moments and some concern about the way forward. I would not suggest abortion, but I would suggest adoption given his current inability to support a child. I am pro-life, but I wouldn't vote for Obama over a pro-choice Republican.
I can understand why people are so passionate against the practice though; if you believe life begins at conception then it makes sense to be passionate about not wanting human babies to be aborted.
What I can't understand is the passion for abortion -especially unfettered, under-any-circumstance abortion.
bk: Who are these passionate advocates for unfettered,
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 9:49pm.
under-any-circumstance abortion? I don't know of any. Roe v. Wade doesn't permit unrestricted and unconditional access to abortions, and there are a variety of limitations and requirements enacted in jurisdictions across the country which have been held by the Supreme Court to be permissible under Roe and subsequent decisions.
It seems to me the "life/personhood begins at conception" position is far more absolutist, leaving no room for compromise.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 9:59pm.
I'd say Katherine Sebilius was an advocate for unrestricted and unconditional access to abortions.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30376695/ns/politics-more_politics/t/kansas-...
Rad...not if she supported the law which was on the books
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:11pm.
in Kansas prior to the amendment.
Jer
er Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:17pm.
Yes she supported the "existing law" but she did not support the legislature wanting to change the law. What she was supporting was late term abortion. THAT is what she supported and THAT is what she did not want restricted.
cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:28pm.
The existing Kansas law already included restrictions on late-term abortions:
"Questioning the bill's constitutionality and impact on doctors, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius vetoed a measure Thursday that would have rewritten Kansas' restrictions on late-term abortions."
Jer
Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:35pm.
You are arguing the process not the point Ms Rad made. Sebelius supported "late term abortion". You are defending "the legislative process" she used. It doesn't change the fact that she already supported late term abortion.
Let's go back to the original point of this thread. When does life begin and at what point in time can we kill it legally?
Not so, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:58pm.
Rad's point was that Sebelius is an example of someone who supports unfettered, under-any-circumstances, access to abortion. I countered that such was not the case, assuming she supported the pre-existing Kansas law which already contained significant restrictions with respect to late-term abortions [although not as restrictive as the amendment Sebelius vetoed].
As far as when life begins, etc., I don't know. My position is more conservative than Roe, more liberal than the "conception" assertion. Beyond that, I'll pass for now. I'm not in the mood to be called a 'baby killer' tonight.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:04pm.
From what went on in Kansas they had pretty much unfettered abortions. The laws with respect to late term abortions seemed to be pretty easy to circumvent.
I'm not going to call you a baby killer, but I believe there are people who believe in unfettered and unrestricted abortion. There is no other way for me to explain partial birth abortion.
Rad...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:14pm.
In that case, the law needed to be more aggressively enforced, or tightened by amendment. But if the article was accurate, the vetoed measure appeared to be an over-correction and ambiguous as well.
Jer
More aggressively enforced?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:27pm.
And you think Governor Kathleen Sebaceous would have aggressively enforced the law?
We do know she refused to do so.
Ok Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:19pm.
I did notice the score is 7-4.
EDIT: score is 7-5...feel better now?...;-)
Slightly.
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:21pm.
But I'm not optimistic.
Jer
Jer and Cajun
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:21pm.
I'm hearing my husband's commentary on the game. Trying not to...He's rooting for the Cards.
Dilemma for me Ms Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:27pm.
I am a big NL fan but I kinda sorta rootin' for the Rangers. Trying to stay neutral since my team caved to the Cards...;-(
Cajun
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:38pm.
I can see your dilemma. However since Jer is a Cards fan and he gets very little support on this site, it wouldn't hurt to throw him a bone (no offense Jer) and root for the Cards.
Jer should thank me Ms Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:45pm.
I just put on a red hat and guess what happened? Go Pujols!
WOW!
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:54pm.
Jer
Cajun
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:09am.
Expect a Villanova hat on the mail. I'll let you know when to put it on. ;-)
Better have her
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:14am.
Put it on the day she receives it, until the season is over. Sorry, but we have Deuce in nothing but Purple and Gold these days. BTW deuce, take off the Red hat, go find a blue one,,,,,,, please
Its not blue Boudin*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:29am.
But I do own this one
Uh oh, Didn't take it off fast enough. Course it was that Tx boy that caused a Rukus....;-)
Maybe we should pitch in,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:32am.
And get one for Jer? Or at least one of these, check out those shirts on the right. : ]
Yeah Boudin*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:46am.
And he is a whole week to get it through the mail....;-)
Geaux Tigers!
jer
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:15am.
9-7 in 9th Texas ;) GO REDS
Oh for Pete's sake
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:55pm.
He lives in GA, he should be a Braves fan. I never have understood folks rooting for everyone but the Home team.
Boudin...I like the Braves, but
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:33am.
I had been a Cardinal fan for years before the Atlanta Braves even existed.
Jer
No excuse,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:23am.
Man, you are old as dirt, aint ya?
: ]
That was a great game!
Boudin...my parents required their children to swear
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 5:30pm.
an oath of eternal allegiance to the Cardinals as soon as we were able to talk. So, yes, I have been a St. Louis fan since I was nine years old.
Jer
Well, I have to admit
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 5:42pm.
I grew up a Washington then a Baltimore fan, first we lost Washington, seems for 20 yrs or so, we'v lost Baltimore. Ugh
But, now I do go to Zephyrs games in the City a few times a year. Lots of fun, very little cash!
jer
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:42pm.
On my cell now so I'm not able to research at the moment but are you suggesting these people don't exist? That there aren't people who don't think r v w went far enough? The issue I was speaking of isn't current law, its people on the extreme edge who think abortion is an absolute right. Surely you can google a few groups that expouse that ideology.
bk...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:20pm.
Well, there may be some on the "extreme edge". I guess that's why I don't know 'em.
Jer
I'm curious jer
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:52pm.
You chose to reply to my comment but you didn't address the substance of it. Assuming you support roe v wade, on what grounds? Other than that it is the current SCOTUS decision, why is it phylosophically important to maintain the current state of abortions in the US? And would you consider the way abortion is being utilized in countries like china and India more or less acceptable?
I'm curious too, bk..
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:28am.
Here is your comment:
"On my cell now so I'm not able to research at the moment but are you suggesting these people don't exist? That there aren't people who don't think r v w went far enough? The issue I was speaking of isn't current law, its people on the extreme edge who think abortion is an absolute right. Surely you can google a few groups that expouse that ideology."
I acknowleged there probaby were some on the extreme edge who espouse the 'absolute right' ideology. What other substantive point did you raise?
As far as Roe v. Wade, I posted earlier that my position on abortion is less expansive than the rights recognized by the majority opinion, but I don't agree with its criminalization from the moment of conception, nor do I agree with its utilization as a means of population control as have the Chinese.
Jer
Actually, jer
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:32am.
I meant my original comment from yesterday afternoon.
Good evening Jer
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:54pm.
There should be no compromise at all - ever. From the instant that egg is fertilized it is a human being. That egg aacontains everything that makes up a human being and it is alive.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Good evening, coco...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:06pm.
That's why it amuses me when I hear O'Reilly and others claim there's just no compromising with the pro-choice crowd. He's dead wrong. But I understand your position and it's a principled one. However, it cuts off any chance for ground-giving by both sides.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:59pm.
There is a Reuters article on the Drudge report about two women at the Women's Medical Society on Philadelphia that reveals some of the terrible things that go on at some of these clinics. There is a lot of money to be made at the expense of babies lives. I can't imagine any compromise on this whatsoever.
I'm kinda sensitive about this right now because courtesy of my grandson I now have a great granddaughter. He isn't married to the mother and her father wanted to get her an abortion. Thank God they didn't. Life is precious and when people make these lame excuses to kill babies it irks me.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
cocodrie...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:47am.
I just find the instances of an unwanted newborn baby being bashed against a brick wall, deliberately drowned, suffocated, etc. to be far more heart-wrenching and horrifying than someone taking a morning after pill. I appreciate that you don't see any difference between the two acts. But I do.
Congratulations on the birth of your great grandchild. That's wonderful.
Jer
Good night Jer
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:53am.
Thanks and God bless. I have to turn in, see you later. We all have some things that are so ingrained that change is out of the question. This is one of those things with me.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Nina Fellatio's "personal
Submitted by ant on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 5:23pm.
Nina Fellatio's "personal anecdote" person's mother survived TWO back-alley abortion attempts. How is that possible? They've been telling us it was certain death and back alleys would be covered in the blood of innocent 'rape-victims' that become pregnant, because everyone knows that demographic is HUGE.
Another aspect of liberalism that always puzzled me. The shrieking calls from the left to protect the victims of rape and the resultant pregnancy (low,low numbers) but the left are the most likely to want to see criminals, like rapists, released back on the street. Make sense? It's not supposed to, because the important part in the communist destabilization of America was the killing of the fetus and the resultant dispiritedness and moral descent.
ant
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:00pm.
Gross. I thought this site had some standards.
.
Submitted by ant on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:14pm.
Not if they let me in, Miss PA.
Is that an invitation ant?
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:38pm.
Because if you use that kind of language, some of us Misses have been known to dog the poster to the point of getting "access denied" on their profile. So, are you inviting us to concentrate on you or were you just bragging that the mods at NB have not noticed you yet?
Neither, cajun, I'm referring
Submitted by ant on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:05pm.
Neither, cajun, I'm referring to the opening quote in the article from Nina regarding Bill Clinton. I never use vulgarity for shock value, I actually found what she wrote over-the-top.
Ok ant*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:15pm.
If you still can, please edit. I normally like your posts but I have been taught not to use foul language in public. It shows a person lacking the ability to use proper English to express themselves.
Too late to edit, cajun, but
Submitted by ant on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:24pm.
Too late to edit, cajun, but I apologize for offending. My visceral contempt for the left's ideology does make me forget my manners sometimes and that there are ladies present. I meant no harm.
I'm less offended by your name for Nina
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:53pm.
than I am by your absurd and insulting insinuation that those on the left want to see rapists turned loose on society.
Jer
Wrong part of the post Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:07am.
His claim that the left want rapist set free is not that far of a stretch. Have you not been following Drsam's and cajun's posts about the A.P.A. considering the removal of pedophilia as a mental illness? If that happens, it will affect our entire criminal justice system, child protective services, as well as psychiatric and psychological treatment for both the perpetrator and the "victims".
In essence, this massive change in the DSM will have rippling effects and one of them will be, rapists will be set free. That is not insinuation, thats a fact!!
Then he should have made that point, rather than the
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:03am.
one he framed rather loosely and irresponsibly in his post. Whatever the A.P.A. does with regard to defining or categorizing pedophilia, it's not going to affect the sentences of imprisoned rapists. Nor have I witnessed any groundswell of support from the 'left' for pedophilia.
Jer
Sorry Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:19am.
Several US Marshalls, parole officers, and other law enforcement friends of mine, as well as prosecutors, have all told me that the threatened changes to the DSM WILL make changes in their agencies policies. The severity of the effects will eventually become known once the courts start their rulings under influence from the new diagnoses.
Court ordered therapy, institutionalization and supervision for these pedophiles will have no grounds if it is no longer considered a psychiatric disorder, which translate to changes in probation, parole and , sentencing. It will be treated in the same manner as bank robbery. The long term sexual abuser registration laws will all have to be changed as well.
Jer,trust me, this potential change will have ripple effects in many ways.
Jer
Submitted by ant on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:21am.
Right here on NB's Homepage where the guest columns are, there is an article by Ann Coulter "If I Were A Liberal" that reviews some of the cases of criminals released by a justice system seemingly appalled at the thought of ridding us of violent criminals or at the least, holding them. I'm not suggesting that your average Democrat voter is all for it, not at all. But the establishment of bleeding heart liberal activism and judges release these scum over and over again.
As a matter of fact, there was just a case of an illegal alien from Mexico (can you believe it?) that stalked and, eventually, attempted to rape a college student. Luckily she successfully fought him off and he was apprehended. Do you know what the DA of the city said? He said, "This is good, now he will have to register as a sex offender." Do you see the absurdity of this? Well, at least when he disappears and successfully rapes another citizen in another town, he may get apprehended again and then, maybe, one of his aliases will get linked to this registry and with any luck maybe he'll get punished or flown back home on our dime. Too bad about the rape victim though, I guess she shouldn't have worn that dress, huh? Despicable.
ant...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:10am.
So that was the entirety of the DA's statement? Forgive me if I am somewhat dubious. Ann isn't above chopping quotes to score ideological points. Or was that from another source? In any event, I would be very surprised if that were all the DA had to say on the subject.
Jer
That quote wasn't from Ann,
Submitted by ant on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:14am.
That quote wasn't from Ann, that was from an actual news article on the crime. I stand by my original statements and the post above, not only because of the history of recidivist criminals being released, but on the reactions from leftist pundits and leaders whenever anyone is sentenced to death, and the sames portrayal of conservatives as bloodthirsty cretins for having the audacity to want justice for horrible crimes commited.
Heh,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:36am.
Que the Twilight music:
Ann isn't above chopping quotes to score ideological points.
And Jer is not above chopping quote of Ann's, to make his ideological points. And to think, we were just talking about true irony the other day?
So I've chopped Ann's quotes? Example, please.
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 5:33pm.
Jer
Damn Jer,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:49pm.
I believe you coming down with Dementia. Besides, I dont fetch for libs!
Really no fair I suppose,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:02pm.
Guess I should try to refresh your failing memory, by reminding you about giving us second hand info about Ann. Telling us she wants to kill justices, and wishes domestic terrorist would blow up the NYT's?
Unbelievably lame, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:26pm.
Sourcing was requested so I linked the verbatim quotes from a conservative website, and they were 100% accurate. Cobra objected anyway, calling it hearsay, and demanded to see proof from Coulter herself. Both kata and I provided it.
Is your memory sufficiently refreshed? Or do you wish to continue peddling distortions and nonsense?
Jer
Nonsense, Jer
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 8:37pm.
Wasnt a single word you posted in context. In-fact, it was the same damn comedy you defend from the likes of Donkeyface or Cobert. Your feigned outrage is (can it be?), "ironic"?
Either back it up, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:50pm.
or please stop the accusations. The snotty "I don't fetch for liberals" retort doesn't cut it.
I posted the actual interview with Ann Coulter where her words about the NYT were read to her which she did not dispute but instead doubled down on them. Nothing was taken out of context there or in the post at the website I had previously linked. If you insist otherwise, then let's see your evidence. And, btw, if you don't like my links then check out kata's. Your quip in the past that you enjoy jerking my chain impresses no one but yourself. It's childish and trollish behavior.
Apparently, I need to post my opinion of Donkeyface [who I've also stated doesn't deserve to be on the air] once again for your benefit:
Actually classicliberal2's interpretation is correct...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 06/12/2011 - 3:31am.
but it doesn't make Maher's "joke" [that Gingrich is so pathetic he's trailing a candidate whose color alone precludes his nomination by the GOP] any more defensible. It indicts the Republican party as an aggregation of racists who would never consider a black man for the presidency. It is a sickening, despicable lie. And it disgusts me that this towering asshole continues to spew such filth.
Jer
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/06/11/bill-maher-takes-r...
And Colbert? I don't recall ever making a comment about him.
Jer
You seem a little up-tight Jer
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:26pm.
Fact is, your multi paragraph post does not excuse you for taking Ann out of context. The fact that you still defend it, seems rather ridiculous to me? But what do I care.
Ann was obviously Joking. But because you didnt like the "joke" you equate it with the real hate you seem to agree with by making your simpleton comparison.
Heck, I will do much worst then Ann, I hope all you libs get to live your supposed utopia. If for no other reason then you deserve it! Just leave me the heck out of it!
Congrats on your WS title
Hey everyone,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:30pm.
Jer dont like no Rush, no Coulter, No Fox News, and no Boudin.
Then Jer gets a new name*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:39pm.
If Jer doesn't like Boudin, then we will have to give him some panse..Maybe that's what I will start calling Jer..;-)
I don't dislike Boudin, cajun..
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:35am.
But, as you can see, he has absolutely no interest in productive dialogue. His interest is to misstate, distort, and, I regret to say, deliberately lie about my comments. Maybe he finds it fun or he thinks he's getting under my skin. I honestly don't know what motivates him. But, if he can't act like a grown-up, he needs to find another hobby.
Jer
Goof rvrning Boudin
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:54pm.
Anyone that don't like Boudin got no taste.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
cocodrie...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:29am.
I hope you don't approve of Boudin's tactics. I have repeatedly told Boudin that I would gladly engage in honest debate with him. He prefers lying and trolling.
Jer
Good evening Jer
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:39am.
I have no intention of getting involved. You know me, I enjoy my little joke now and then. Most of them are very little and as old as I.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Good evening cocodrie...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:45am.
Well that provokes the question why you decided to involve yourself earlier. But, I agree it's not worth wasting your time over.
Have a good evening.
Jer
Honest Debate?
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:46am.
With who? Jer? Yea right, to Jer, a fair debate is when you agree with his equivalency arguments.
Jer is a leftist, when was the last time a leftist was honest with anyone? Your party is a real peach Jer. Thanks so much.
Just brilliant, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:58am.
All of NB stands in awe.
Jer
I doubt it,
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 1:01am.
But thanks anyway
You care a lot, Boudin...enough to blatantly lie...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:26am.
And, make no mistake, there are numerous examples of it--from JOKING about poisoning Justice Stevens to wishing the terrorists had bombed the NYT. [My emphasis in caps in the hopes that Boudin will stop lying]
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/10/25/actor-orlando-jone...
I repeatedly asked you to back up your claims. Instead you continued to deliberately misrepresent what I had posted and make clearly false accusations. You are trolling, Boudin.
Jer
Your feign outrage aint going to work Jer
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:38am.
Your name calling, and verbiage will not cover your obvious bias and ridicule of those whom you disagree.
Just so you know, I have no intention of re-visiting your ridiculous claim you could not back up, or wasting any of my time trying to counter your insults and ridicule.
BYW, I hope your chapped,,,, : ]
I'm sure you have no intention, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:41am.
Why back up your claim when you have no compunction about lying.
Jer
: ]
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:54am.
I am going to start a list like Mr Cain has. Thanks
Maybe you should fetch for yourself, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:29pm.
It might avoid the further embarrassment of your posting pathetic falsehoods.
Jer
Ok,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 8:43pm.
So you dont have Dementia, sorry. And, you did know what I was referencing? Well, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. So,,,,, ok then.
Am I missing something?
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:46pm.
For the life of me, I can't locate the vulgarity in Ant's post. Have the mods edited it? Is "fellatio" now an offensive term? The act may offend some people, but the term is pretty mild considering what could be used it its place.
Yes, this site has standards, but please, stop looking to be offended.
So you're ok with this around your
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:59pm.
Mother/sister/daughter/wife?
Rad
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:03am.
If in the middle of a discussion, I say "penis" instead of some other word for it, I'm being vulgar? Get real.
Restless
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:07am.
Not a discussion I want to be a part of. I'm not one who believes anything and everything needs to be discussed openly with everyone.
That's fine, noone's making you
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:14am.
But I don't take well to the "holier than thou" attitude from anyone, left or right.
And your "access denied" threat to Ant is pretty benign. I've seen buddies of yours use more offensive language than "fellatio" with nary a peep from you.
Restless
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:26am.
Whoa there. I gave an opinion about the post. It's what we do here. Are you telling me I need to call out every instance of vulgarity or none? Who's being holier than thou now? I might comment on an abortion thread one day and not again for a month. Am I required to comment on every abortion post I see because I did it once?
By the way, I'm a bit confused over your use of the word "benign" in this instance.
As in has no weight
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:41am.
You can dog Ant over this post til the cows come home, but I doubt seriously you will get him banned over it. You made a threat, veiled as it was.
But I think you know very well what I meant.
BTW, I've seen you comment on some of those, so don't hide behind the "I didn't see it" excuse. And no, they are not all on abortion threads. Liberals piss us off. Sometimes language gets out of hand. I've called some on it, and yes, been guilty of it. Hypocritical? Probably. I try not to use such language now. I just don't see "fellatio" in that category.
Restless
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:47am.
If you're going to get so worked up get your facts straight. I, Radical, made one comment to ant, giving my opinion of his postA. That was it. He replied, I let it go, Cajun had something to say also.
I believe I said I don't always comment, not that I don't always see it. If you want to be argumentative at least be accurate.
Whatever
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:59am.
Spin away. I'm done.
ETA: You're right, Cajun made the veiled threat. I apologize for thinking that was you. I'm willing to move on.
In other words...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:59am.
you over reacted and got your facts and accusations wrong.
BTW restless*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:06am.
Cajun does not make veiled threats. I make promises!
Fine, I've use "fellatio" in three
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:09am.
Oops, make if four posts now. I dare you to try to get me booted.
Let's talk about the Cardinals
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:12am.
some more.
Jer
Very frustrating game Jer
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:19am.
I thought Hamilton would be the hero, and after what he went through this season, he was deserving of it.
Good the see the hometown boy come through though. It was a fun game to watch.
I have mixed feelings, RESTLESS...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:31am.
I like the Rangers and agree with you about Hamilton. I won't be crushed if they win. It was an absolute miracle the Cards even made the playoffs.
Jer
[I WILL be crushed if St. Louis doesn't resign Pujols.]
I'm just glad to see the Rangers have some success
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:47am.
But after last year, it would be nice to see them come through.
They have to put this game behind them pretty quick. It WILL be interesting. Both teams went pretty deep into the bullpen.
Overreacted, no
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:11am.
Accused the wrong person of veiled threats? Yes. And I apologized for it. Thanks for accepting it so graciously.
Curious Restless*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:13am.
When would referencing that part of the male anatomy be apropos at a website for EXPOSING LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS?
I don't know
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:24am.
Maybe when discussing the dangers of engaging in gay sex within an article where such has been defended by a liberal. You see, the penis is fraught with germs and bacteria. Not good things to introduce through the anus. Causes all kinds of maladies. An argument that can be used against those that think such things normal and natural.
If we are to get offended by scientific terms, then we deserve the mocking we receive.
Restless
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:32am.
You feel the need to go in depth with that? There was another poster who was putting up such detailed descriptions about gay sex every so often, and was asked by another poster to stop. Why am I not allowed to express my opinion?
You are allowed to express your opinion
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:51am.
As am I assume?
Ah, but you went after me with
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:01am.
Both barrels blazing for expressing my opinion.
You think THAT was both barrels???
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:30am.
You haven't gotten me so riled up as to have seen the pop gun fire.
(both barrels. LMAO)
I have witnessed RESTLESS unleashing both barrels...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:38am.
It was terrifying.
This was pretty tame in comparison.
Jer
Ah, but you went after me with
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:01am.
Both barrels blazing for expressing my opinion.
What say you Restless*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:39am.
Ant realized he was angry and a little over the top, so like the gentleman he is, he apologized and that was appreciated. For the unnecessary catawalling, what say you Restless?
As an old woman not accepting of the bad manners of some, I do not apologize for calling out disrespectful and unnecessary foul language.
I haven't seen you accept his apology yet
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:45am.
How 'bout some graciousness on your part?
And I still maintain that the term, in and of itself, is not foul. That wasn't my point of contention anyway, but then again, you know that.
Restless
Submitted by ant on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:43am.
I appreciate your defense of my post. I obviously offended Radical and cajun, not a problem once I explained myself. I don't want to be responsible for a rift among you. I actually thought I might offend Radical more with 'Miss PA', but, Radical, if you're reading this, I used that because I am from PA too, not as a sexist thing. Some people are offended by different things, I understand that, let's just not get into a whole 'having to watch every word' deal, that's the kind of stuff the left puts us through.
You are correct ant*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:55am.
You apologized and I accepted your apology in a pm.. It was Restless who has continued the discussion.
Cards won in the 11th. Now Jer is all happy again. Look out...;-)
Ant
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:55am.
No worries, I had a reaction to your post, told you about it, and we agreed to disagree in my mind. The Miss PA thing was a little harsh, not my choice of climates here, but I've been called worse.
And then...
Submitted by GG_NB on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:07pm.
Everyone had a big ole group hug.
((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))
Except Jer and Boudin. :(
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Big ole hugs and kisses,
Submitted by ant on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:46pm.
Big ole hugs and kisses, Georgia Girl, the OWS crowds preferred new replacement for monetary payment. My advice, don't do any work for 'em if you expect to eat.
Ah,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:11pm.
It aint that bad,
I reached out, GG...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:13pm.
But Boudin only makes accusations. He doesn't believe in providing evidence. You see, he refuses to "fetch for liberals".
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:16pm.
I think I'm a jinx. So go Rangers. Hope that helps.