Chris Matthews, Leftist Journo David Corn Think Bachmann's 'Devil's in the Details' Quip Not a Joke
Hardball host Chris Matthews honestly believes that Rep. Michele Bachmann's "devil's in the details" joke about Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan may be something more sinister, or at least cynically calculated to appeal to "strange, far right" Christian voters.
"Well, last night, Congressman and David, they were supposed to stick to economics, but of course Michele Bachmann couldn't avoid religious concerns," the MSNBC host complained to Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and David Corn of the left-wing magazine Mother Jones on his October 12 program. [MP3 audio available here for download; Video follow page break]
"Here she is passing what even my producers think was a joke, I don't think so, talking about the sign of the beast, which I learned from some of these characters is apparently 9-9-9, Herman Cain's economic program turned upside-down, 6-6-6," Matthews prefaced the debate sound bite, insisting, "This is Michele Bachmann, desperate."
"What would you say if you were debating a person like that who shifted the topic to the strange, far-right Christian notions about the devil and the sign of the beast?" Matthews asked Frank, adding, "She can't resist that catnip," suggesting that Bachmann was making a play for folks who may somehow think Cain's tax plan is downright satanic.
Later in the segment, Corn agreed with Matthews's loopy view:
DAVID CORN, Mother Jones: I think there's a slight chance, maybe more than slight, that Michele Bachmann really believes this.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: The sign of the beast. That Herman Cain is the anti-Christ.
CORN: That, perhaps. I mean, she has said so many outlandish things over the years, and she has a very fundamental view of the world, she has a very conspiratorial view of the world.
Next time you get her on the show, ask her about Agenda 21. She believes in black helicopters and everything leading up to the Rapture. So it's not inconceivable that this wasn't a joke.
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Speculators get paid the big bucks.
Submitted by kata on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 5:53pm.
However, NBC's Research Team was downsized and now just gets the coffee and donuts. Fact based smears have also been oursourced. Hey, you do what you gotta do in a down economy.
reply 1: Oh look automated
Submitted by tombaker on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 5:59pm.
reply 1: Oh look automated postings by the Occupy group. Last I checked nobody likes to be under occupation.
Matthews is a hateful propogandist, that was the brains behind Carter.
automated what?
Submitted by kata on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:02pm.
was that directed at me?
kata,
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:07pm.
Yeah, that one has me a little puzzled, too.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
kata~
Submitted by GG_NB on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:55pm.
I think he misunderstood your tag -- or just caught the word "Occupy."
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
ahhhh
Submitted by kata on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:00pm.
that could be it I guess. I was pretty sure my sarcasm was obvious. You never know, though :)
kata~
Submitted by GG_NB on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:09pm.
It was. He must have been skimming.:)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
pathetic
Submitted by socal4patrick on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:04pm.
These poor schlubs are dying a slow painful death. Nice to watch.
There were no
Submitted by Vonu on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:06pm.
brains behind Carter. oozing legs; yes, brains, no.
Now that is one paranoid delusion.
Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:14pm.
And is Chrissy playing the tape backwards to hear things from the devil too?
His blood sugar control must be awful. Chris should stop swigging the bottle of cheap vodka before he takes his antipsychotics.
Chrissy....
Submitted by GeneralAl on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:22pm.
Chrissy doesn't drink vodka, he drinks Shirley Temples!
"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
Wow!
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 5:58am.
I didn't know Kool-Aid made a Shirley Temple flavored drink! How progressive!
Apparently she insulted his
Submitted by Thoreau on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:31pm.
Apparently she insulted his Father.
Crissy has never forgiven Bachman
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:53pm.
for the election night in 2010 when she asked him live, on air, about his tingly leg.
Corn can joke about Agenda 21 all he wants...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:49pm.
...but many elements of it are already being quietly implemented in communities all over America - right under the very noses of the American people, most of whom appear to be oblivious to it, as only a few communities have offered any real resistance.
That is not conspiracy theorizing. That is fact.
I heard Newt Gingrich in a radio interview state flatly that if elected, he will do whatever he has to to put a stop to it.
As for the Hermanators tax plan, it isn't perfect, but I could live with it until we can get the FairTax in place.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Michele Bachmann running .666% at the polls.Potatoe moment
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:10pm.
Petty squared, in order to boost her huge ego.
Time for you to go away, you are already far beyond the Peter Principle..remember Al Franken is your partner in your state politics.
Weak Michele ATTACK a fellow Christian, Again!
Did she know anything at all about Cains 9 9 9 plan? ummm NO.
Just like that vaccine shiite story she pulled on another Christian.
Science and factually devoid of logic, a scary combo.
L@@Kie what your handy work has done, oh yea....Nice hand off to the Chris Matthews gang, your lasting legacy baby...
You Didn't Build That.
Petty
Submitted by rance on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:27pm.
You're even more petty than Chris Matthews.
rance ,She attacked Christians and fellow Republicans.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 8:19pm.
Reagan and the Eleventh Commandment:
The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since.
Let me get this straight.... Michele does her own research and finds someone, squawking across a crowd about the evil vaccine.
Michele, jumps and the science be damned.
The vaccine is aimed at shielding girls from human papillomavirus (HPV), a common sexual infection that can lead to cervical cancer. Federal health officials say they are confident that the vaccine is safe, noting that more than 35 million doses have been administered in the United States with no pattern of serious side effects.
Michele, wants a smaller government right???
What does 999 do? It gets rid of the IRS. hows that for reducing the size of government?
But wait there's more: here is Michele's plan... Implement a national consumption or flat tax.... Describe to me in detail what her plan is?
Again suggesting on National TV that the 999 plan by a Christian man, is equal to 666 is very poor taste and embarrassing.
You Didn't Build That.
ucw
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 8:24pm.
I agree with you about the 999 comment, and I think Newt did a good job of debating, yet trying to keep the focus on beating Obama, no matter who gets the nomination.
The vaccine thing, well, I think Perry has a problem with that. I don't believe it's the type of disease the government has the right to mandate a vaccine on, and worse than that, Michelle Malkin outlines his conflicts on interests on this issue.
Rad, Michelle Malkin said this too.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 8:38pm.
She’s RIGHT on the principles, wrong on some of the details.
She needs to stay on message and stick with the facts.
The Texas state legislature repealed the order (over Perry’s hysterical objections) before any girl was forcibly vaccinated.
And while individual stories of Gardasil harm may or may not be true (Bachmann cited a mother who thinks the vaccine caused mental retardation in her child while making the post-debate rounds), it’s not the primary case she should be making.
You Didn't Build That.
facts
Submitted by rance on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:30am.
Rick Perry lied about the 31 year old cervical cancer victim who lobbied him about the vaccine he mandated by executive order. He did not meet that woman until months after he signed the executive order. Vaccines are dangerous!
(http://www.personalliberty.com/personal-liberty-articles/theres-a-downsi...)
Also, Herman Cain lied when he responded to Ron Paul about what he said about his connection with the fed and that he is on record as saying that he would not audit the fed.
Herman Cain and Rick Perry have stood out in the debates for their LIES.
"Trust but verify." Ronald Reagan
Nice KooK link there. Chemtrails is also on her list..FACT
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 8:06pm.
That post of yours has nothing to do with stupid Michele comments.
Keep digging and moving the goal posts...
You Didn't Build That.
Oh, for crying out loud!!
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:40pm.
Can't you people ever just take what someone says as what they mean??
And you are the ones who accuse OTHERS of thinking they receive messages through the fillings in their teeth.
Get a grip already!!
OTOH, I actually think you'd like project your own thoughts coming out of Michele Bachmann's mouth.
Why the heck do atheist always believe in
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:57pm.
He11 when it come to demonizing conservatives?
When always means never
Submitted by Mister Orange on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 8:11pm.
Hell only exists in the minds of those who wish ill will on others.
Oh really?
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:16pm.
Thanks for clearing that up. So what religion are you?
None of the above
Submitted by Mister Orange on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:19pm.
None of the below either.
So, hell for you...
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:40pm.
So, hell for you must be life itself.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Sure you are
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:53pm.
One or the other, everyone gets a choice
Knock it off Freakshow.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:25pm.
Stop trying to shove your atheist religion in our faces every other day. You see someone else proselytising here. No. It is you and your secular religion day after day trying to find converts.
Shut up. Go away. And start working on your 31st account.
I agree
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:41pm.
I agree with you.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
How can we have a discussion
Submitted by Mister Orange on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:51pm.
When you're using words improperly? I'll never understand your intended meaning.
Who is asking for a
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:02pm.
Discussion with you?
He knows we are on to him again.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 1:43am.
He can't use his pet phrases any more. Or even the alternates he has tried to come up with. So he just makes a stab and ends up with verbal piffle.
Dead Polish Catholic Zippers: What does that mean???
Dead Guttermouth's Zippers: What does this mean??
Hunter S Zippers: What does that mean???
Dead Zippers: What does this mean???
Dead Angry Black Zippers: I don't even understand what your first post was supposed to mean.
Dead Irish Zippers: I honestly have no idea what your post is supposed to mean.
Dead Pickled Zippers: I don't even know what your posts mean anymore.
Dead Orange Zippers here: I'll never understand your intended meaning.
Or
Submitted by Mister Orange on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 8:53am.
You could use words properly and I'd TOTALLY understand what you're trying to say. AS it stands, you're still well off the mark.
Sniffies. Sniffies.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 9:29pm.
Or. Or. Or. Or. Or. Or. (another Dead Zippers game)
Once again, once again the sheltered mommies boy fills his diaper and takes a stab at what normal people might say.
Yes mommies boy. I do believe you don't understand what I said. Really. I do. Honest. No. Believe me. I do. Yeah. No. No. No. Really. I do.
Yep. Honesty. Actually, the lack thereof. It is why I am looking at my 31st account. Not you. I am so so so so so so the one.
Oh dear
Submitted by Mister Orange on Fri, 10/14/2011 - 9:18am.
The way you misuse words, I can't figure out if you just wrote me a love poem or translated the Koran.
Whatever. Not playing your games.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 10/14/2011 - 9:41pm.
.
Boudin
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:07pm.
Within the context of an argument, you are pretty much obligated to make reference to beliefs which your opponent holds to in order to address or undermine their argument.
Doing so obviously doesn't imply or suggest that you accept those beliefs.
If you argue like a libtard
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:47pm.
Maybe.
Doing so obviously doesn't imply or suggest that you accept those beliefs.
Well thats good news.
Truth be told, arguing isnt what I had in mind.
Boudin
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:14pm.
Maybe?
Um, OK.
How exactly do you address the points of someone's argument without... you know ...actually addressing them?
Quite the libtard tactic.
Disgusting
Submitted by IrateNate on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:08pm.
It was not a "joke", but a dig. And people need to understand that, no matter how great that plan sounds, nothing gets off the ground without the approval of congress. That's where the battle will be won or lost.
By the looks of things, Obama will defeat Romney by about the same margin he defeated McCain in 2008. America is doomed anyway, let's just speed it up and get it over with, eh?
To early to panic Nate
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:20pm.
Come on now, we can do better. Even if we get a RINO, we have to make sure we elect conservatives everywhere.
BTW, there are federal seats that are held by dimwits still unopposed by conservatives. If your in one of these district, please find someone and help them.
The moment........
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:25pm.
Cain released his 9-9-9 plan, I thought it wouldn't be long before some goofball liberal would say turn the numbers upside down to see what it really is.
Well, she beat them to it.
On the topic of the post..........idiocy abounds.
opps.
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:44pm.
opps. posted in the wrong thread
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Gosh, I really don't enjoy this but Matthew Dean asked that
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:01pm.
I sub for him while he takes a short break.
You misspelled "oops", you pluperfect idiot!
Jer
Pay attention, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:21pm.
or I shall no longer avail myself of your most generous acceptance in subbing for me ---
The "o" key and the "p" key are adjacent each other on the keyboard; therefore an occasional typo is no big deal.
In addition, as per our agreement, "pluperfect" is to be used ONLY when it is reasonable to assume that the person the word is directed at is a troll and incapable of knowing whether or not I used the word correctly.
That said, I appreciate your most knowledgeable assistance.
It is still gratis, right?
MD
→ That's some deep stuff there
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:33pm.
I generally settle for what falls penultimate to pluperfect, as it would be shameful to withhold that perfect thought in hope it could be more perfectly expressed.
Did I mention Texas just won 7-3? And leads this series 3-1?
Go Rangers!
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:39pm.
Did I mention I'm still in a state of shock my Cardinals made the playoffs?
Jer
MD~
Submitted by GG_NB on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:31pm.
Don't do it! Jer has comma problems.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Not to worry, GG---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:49pm.
as I have my hands full just in helping cajun talk him down from the numbers highs he gets on.
To borrow Cool Arrow's thought, though, Jer's prevailing punctuational problems probably portend a penultimate placement; provided potential pronouncements purporting 'Publican Party prejudices poop ol' Jer out.
MD
MD~
Submitted by GG_NB on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:56pm.
I can't laugh at that! Jer is already mad at me.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Excuse me, GG?
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:07pm.
Those problems were largely confined to the aimless and dilatory days of my misspent youth--a/k/a my "Reckless Period", during which time I randomly. and capriciously placed periods. at the oddest places. without rhyme or. reason.
Later, as I matured and became more punctual and far more attentive to grammatical precision, I resolved the period issues. And the comma problem? Well, I straightened it out for use in more formal settings. This was the key: |
Jer
Glad you cleared that up, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:20pm.
for a while there I thought your 'commanication' problem was a result of being an outnumbered liberal Democrat on this site.
Or is that what causes your numbers highs? :o)
MD
Jer~my fav to tease~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 9:51am.
Just keep those commas INSIDE your quotemarks!
http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp
But let it be said that you correctly never put an apostrophe on the possessive form of "its" -- and that cancels out the comma slips. ;)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
md, Yeah, it's when the typo is 10 keys away is how you know...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:55pm.
...that they're plowed.
LOL - And please don't ask me how I know that. ;-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Clueless
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:48pm.
"What would you say if you were debating a person like that who shifted the topic to the strange, far-right Christian notions about the devil and the sign of the beast?
Thanks for excluding most of the world's religions, which by the way, include their own versions of a Devil and a Hell. There's nothing "strange" about a belief that well over 5 BILLION people share in one form or another. That's called "normalcy." Which, by the way, makes the people who don't believe in Hell or the Devil the "strange" ones.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Actually, I thought she was making a damn fine joke
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 12:22am.
....and that she did it on purpose, too, fully aware of the fact that the left wing media would try to paint her as some kind of right wing uber religious freak....for mentioning the "turn it upside down, the devil is in the details".
Cain's plan, IMO, IS bold. But he's been touting 999 for a couple of weeks now, and I love the simplicity of his basic idea. However, he has YET to get detailed about the mechanics of how it will work (ideally). As a new member of the "front runners club", he expected (as he should have) to be attacked on it...but he was a bit short on the details last night.
So I took Bachmann's little dig as a clever tweak on multiple levels. She is, after all, a tax attorney. And a fundamentalist Christian. She said it with a smile...obviously a prepared remark.
Furthermore Bachmann followed by raising a VERY valid issue, that of opening a new revenue stream for Congress to spend! Cain did a reasonable job of fending it off....but again, the DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS....he's going to have to flesh those out.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Finally
Submitted by rance on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:45am.
Finally, a thoughtful reply.
The devil is in the details. Larry Kudlow and other conservative ecconomists discussed that third nine last Saturday. All agreed, that a national sales tax is problematic. One ecconimist pointed out that it would impinge on states where the only state revenue is from sales tax.
Cain has now shifted the paradigm
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 11:32am.
Which is great!
He has moved up to the top tier, convincingly, by capturing the imagination of the conservative base, with his bold 999 plan. He has everyone talking about it. And he is slamming home the point (remember, if something is repeated often enough it becomes a fact in the common ethos) that "pivoting off the current tax code won't work".
Now he has to flesh out his 999 plan. How is FICA going to work? What about those states with a state income tax but no sales tax? How does he prevent Congress from immediately raising the basic 9% rate? Where are capital gains? How does he plan to transition from our current tax code to the new one? Are items like home purchases exempted from the national sales tax? Services? What are the revenue numbers? What are the corresponding cuts he plans to make?
IMO, Cain is right on track with his "plan". It's simple enough for people to get behind and understand at this point in the campaign. Just like Paul Ryan's Road Map, it's going to take a massive media campaign to explain the "devil in the details".
The flat tax, or 999, makes a whole lot more sense to me than the dog's breakfast we currently have.
As for your concern that a national sales tax "impinges" on the state sales tax...hardly. I live in Florida, we don't have a state income tax. What it will impact though, are the local taxes, like hotel taxes (kill the tourists)...franchise fees (on utilities, again a huge funding source of unearned income for local municipalities), etc.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
9 - 9 - 9 is a joke
Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 10/14/2011 - 5:30pm.
Cain's 9-9-9 plan is a total joke. As Dan Shaviro adeptly noted:
"A key part of 9-9-9's intuitive appeal is the idea that, not only is 9 a low number, but the plans three 9's appear to be spread out. 9 percent on the worker, 9 percent on the business, 9 percent on retail sales.
But as I noted in my prior post, the latter two 9's are effectively THE SAME TAX (a few details aside). Only ignorance and naive folk notions of incidence could make them look like two different taxes that are pointed at different players"
http://danshaviro.blogspot.com/2011/10/follow-up-on-cains-9-9-9-plan-and...
Good luck pushing an 18% consumption tax.
So, "the latter two 9's are
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 10/14/2011 - 6:19pm.
effectively THE SAME TAX". Except they're different, right? Just "a few details aside"? That would probably just make them different, correct?And, you talk of "ignorance and naive folk"? There's that good old "folk" meme again.
Wow! This is considered
Submitted by goon on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:54pm.
Wow! This is considered journalism and these three buffoons just sit there and yuck it up. Barney Frank reminds me of a circus clown.
Humor impaired
Submitted by HockeyKid on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 8:03am.
Lefties are humor-impaired. They insisted that Governor Bev Perdue's comment about suspending elections for two years (made with a straight face) was intended as a joke, and they can't grasp the humor in Bachmann's line (made with a wry smile). I think their social development is somehow stunted.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Not at all
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 9:12am.
Their ideology takes over and trumps their common sense or normal social interactions.
It's how they can claim that a black conservative is racist when he tells other blacks to think for themselves, but call a black liberal "empowering" when he tells them to do as they are told.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
c5then
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 9:22am.
Partisan colored glasses? Blue for liberal media and red for conservatives.
Term Limits just mean quicker sellouts
Submitted by Don L on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 9:40am.
It's not congress as much as the parasites and depraved souls that put them up there to do their bidding. The masses are corrupted, morally and politically and term limits won't change that a bit.
Oh it was a half-joke and it was on purpose.
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 9:08am.
Whenever someone comes out with a specific plan, their opponents always will jump on it and try and pick it apart. It's the reason the campaign consultants tell them not to be too specific if they can avoid it.
The reason I say it was a half-joke is because it is too visually coincidental for some evangelical Christians to ignore. I am one and I always have discusions with my freinds and collegues in which I have to remind them that the Bible was not originally written in English, but was in fact written mostly in Hebrew and some Greek and then translated into Latin and then Greek and then into German and and then they went back to the Latin and Greek translations and produced an English version with Anglicized names and terms. My point is that while the over-all message, themes and concepts have been preserved, getting wrapped arounf a particular word or term or illustration is a mistake and can obscure the bigger picture.
Because the original Hebrew didn't have numbers, they used letters to stand for numbers. So while the translations may in fact be accurate in using "666" in Revelations, it might also be just as accurate to use "www". The Hebrew letter associated with the number 6 is best translated as W in English.
Now how many are going to argue that it is not possible that the so-called "mark of the beast" is actually www and not 666?
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Revelation was written in
Submitted by Ken Shepherd on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:11am.
Revelation was written in Koine Greek to the seven churches in Asian Minor, not in Hebrew.
A few years ago, some scholars came out with the theory that the number was mistranslated and it's actually 616. http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11134/beasts-real-mark-devalued-to-616
Throughout much of church history there's been rampant speculation about who or what form the anti-Christ would take, etc., when I think the purpose of Revelation is not to spur such speculation but to comfort the believer with the surety of the final victory of Christ and His Church over the gates of Hell.
You said it
Submitted by HockeyKid on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:15am.
shorter and better than I did, Ken. Well said.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Care, please
Submitted by HockeyKid on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:12am.
Mighty wide brush you swing there, not to mention a large sprinkling of assumptions.
A few points: first, you left out Aramaic as one of the languages considered to be original to Biblical scripture, and you don't differentiate between Greek and Koine Greek.
Second, you should specify which translation is your subject when positing such a specific succession of translation. It is erroneous to say that every English translation followed the path you state.
Third, it is incorrect to say that Hebrew uses "a letter" to represent 6. It actually uses two or three letters (depending on gender of context). The letter in question, shin, marginally resembles the letter W, but is not transliterated as such. It is phonetically "s" or "sh". The numbers shisha (two characters) and shesh (three characters) resemble "ww" and "nww", but have no relation to those letters otherwise.
Finally, the number of the beast is in Revelation, which was originally in Koine Greek, a language that DOES have a number six (hex), represented by two characters. However, the number in the passage is rendered as a phrase, translated as "six hundred sixty-six".
Consequently, I would argue (and, clearly, have done so) that the mark of the beast is not correctly presented in English as www, but indeed as 666.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Well
Submitted by rance on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:48am.
Well said!
www~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 9:20am.
Well, there you have it. The Web is a tool of the devil.
Now didn't Al Gore "invent" the Internet?
Hmmmm....
;)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Only if those "W's" are upside down
Submitted by Mister Orange on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:06am.
See:
mmm
Indeed.
Submitted by HockeyKid on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 12:42pm.
The letter m is 13th in the alphabet, so mmm is 3x13, or 39. 3 from 9 is 6, so clearly "mmm, mmm, mmm" has a hidden nefarious meaning. ;)
Never mind the blatant nefarious actions of Obysmal...
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Satan is a bad guy unless he's our good guy?
Submitted by Don L on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 9:37am.
The devil alive and well? Chrissie shouldn't be excited about such things, after all it was the man that causes thrills down Chrissie's leg that follows the Rules for Radicals book, written by that radical Saul Alinski and dedicated to none other than the left's favorite role model -Lucifer.
Thank you
Submitted by rance on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:53am.
Thank you.
Your statement is what should have been the focus of all the above comments.