Daily Beast/Newsweek: Michele Bachmann Has 'Christian Plot' for 'Domination'
It's apparently not enough for Newsweek to slam 2012 presidential hopeful Rep. Michele Bachmann as the "Queen of Rage." Daily Beast/Newsweek's Michelle Goldberg went a few more steps off the deep end yesterday by exploring how the Minnesota Republican, and, for good measure Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) are Christian theocrats-in-waiting:
[O]f the three most plausible candidates for the Republican nomination, two are deeply associated with a theocratic strain of Christian fundamentalism known as Dominionism. If you want to understand Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry, understanding Dominionism isn’t optional.
Put simply, Dominionism means that Christians have a God-given right to rule all earthly institutions. Originating among some of America’s most radical theocrats, it’s long had an influence on religious-right education and political organizing.
Goldberg knows how nutty that sounds -- especially from a liberal journalist who no doubt would laugh away any concerns about Sharia law as a threat to secular jurisprudence -- so she admitted as much before seeking to out Bachmann and Perry as religious dictators they supposedly hope to become:
But because it seems so outré, getting ordinary people to take it seriously can be difficult. Most writers, myself included, who explore it have been called paranoid. In a contemptuous 2006 First Things review of several books, including Kevin Phillips’ American Theocracy, and my own Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism, conservative columnist Ross Douthat wrote, “the fear of theocracy has become a defining panic of the Bush era.”
Now, however, we have the most theocratic Republican field in American history, and suddenly, the concept of Dominionism is reaching mainstream audiences.
In other words, "Okay, so some of us on the Left called a false alarm about theocracy when Bushitler was turning the country into a fascist regime, but trust us! This time the threat is real!!!"
Did she mention it's like radical Islamism? Oh yeah, Goldberg went there:
Think of it like political Islamism, which shapes the activism of a number of antagonistic fundamentalist movements, from Sunni Wahabis in the Arab world to Shiite fundamentalists in Iran.
So how can you identify those not-so-friendly theocrats in your neighborhood? Well, you could probably start with your neighbors who homeschool their kids:
Dominionism derives from a small fringe sect called Christian Reconstructionism, founded by a Calvinist theologian named R. J. Rushdoony in the 1960s.
[...]
Rushdoony pioneered the Christian homeschooling movement, as well as the revisionist history, ubiquitous on the religious right, that paints the U.S. as a Christian nation founded on biblical principles.
Goldberg set about trying to tar Bachmann and Perry by association with Dominionists, but in doing so, Goldberg exposed some of her ignorance about religious matters:
The Christian Reconstructionists tend to be skeptical of Pentecostalism, with its magic, prophesies, speaking in tongues, and wild ecstasies...
Pentecostalism has "magic"?! That would be news to millions of Pentecostals who strongly oppose any magic arts as counterfeit or demonic spiritual activity.
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She should lay off smoking
Submitted by kg on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:10am.
She should lay off smoking rope.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
As opposed to the Muslim plot for world domination?
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:13am.
I am sure Muslims think they ".have a God-given right to rule all earthly institutions..." too. And so?
Indeed!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:39am.
I'll take a Christian domination over a Muslim domination any day. At least I'll be a free person and not have to worry about weird and deadly laws by Islam. They worship death.
-Jon
Yes!
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:45am.
Liberals would probably cease to exist in a Muslim dominated world.
probably
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:01pm.
But gays will definitely be eradicated in a Muslim world. That's a guarantee.
Hey Libs/gays/whatever, don't blame me, blame Islam, these are the guys you want to side with, they want to see you dead.
-Jon
Freedom
Submitted by Gothampc on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:18pm.
And as I continue to point out to my liberal friends: There is nowhere in Christianity where it says "submit or die". Jesus even said to His disciples, "If you go into a town and they don't accept your preaching, shake the dust of the town off your feet and move on."
SHE FORGOT THE 1st AMENDMENT..........
Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:46am.
Which says in its entirety:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
NOTICE the part that says ...."....OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXCERSISE THEREOF;....."
These IDIOTS don't want FREEDOM OF RELIGION....... they want FREEDOM FROM RELIGION
National Enquirer is looking better every day!
Submitted by Lipton on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:17am.
Way to go Tina Brown.
Goldberg is a remake of one of Hearst's mudslingers.
Submitted by daveinboca on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:54pm.
Tina Brown and her band of mindless ink-stained wretches are assembling enough material for a remake of Citizen Kane that could be called Citizen Brown...! You know, the old Marxist adage about history repeating itself as tragedy the first time, the second time as farce. Newsweak's cover of Bachmann last week demonstrated just how silly Tina's senseless taste has devolved since she was s-canned from The New Yorker.
Her next job should be along the lines of running The National Inquirer, except that the folks there are more journalistically ethical than the Daily Beasts & Newsweak galley slaves....!
In God We Trust
Submitted by TruthMonger on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:19am.
In God We Trust
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
Awww come on...
Submitted by wizardjr on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:23am.
That's 'The Onion' right? Right?
Or
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:27am.
Obama has Moolem plot for domination. Which nonsense has more resonance and facts to support?
If she were Muslim
Submitted by Walker01049 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:27am.
the lefties would be in a pickle not being able to attack her religion.
Christianophobia
Submitted by H_Tuttle on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:30am.
It's funny to hear those constantly ranting against 'Islamophobia' so thoroughly rife with 'Christianophobia'.
They are, of course, wrong.
Submitted by Satchmo on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:32am.
They are, of course, wrong. The one who is the theocrat-in-waiting is Santorum.
LOL
Submitted by stunned on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:58pm.
I like Rick but your post is side splitting funny. Funny how they think that attacking a politician for being religious hurts that candidate? Well it does only in liberal-land where all these MSM writers live and all believers except Muslims are held up to ridicule or attack.
tired of liberal lies
He isn't being attacked
Submitted by Satchmo on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 3:23pm.
He isn't being attacked because he's religious; he's being attacked because he wants to impose his beliefs on everyone else.
He isn't filling in the subject line.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:29pm.
Sissyboy Satchmo: ...wants to impose his beliefs on everyone else.
You mean like how the King Paultard Ron Paul wants to force the return to the gold standard on all of us and crash the economy just to make his Gold only stock portfolio go through the roof?
Go back to the gold standard - MAKE RON PAUL DAMN RICH. RICH AS HELL!
Go back to the Paultards Satchtard. Ron Paul farted and someone saved it in a bottle specially fer you.
I argued in a paper titled, “The Role of the International Gold Standard in Propagating the Great Depression,” published in Contemporary Policy Issues in 1988, that counting on a gold standard to enforce monetary and fiscal discipline in an environment in which speculators had great doubts about governments’ ability to adhere to that discipline was a recipe for disaster. International capital flows became more erratic, not less, as doubts were raised about whether first the pound would be devalued and then the dollar. Britain gave in to the speculative attacks and abandoned gold in 1931, whereas the U.S. toughed it out by deliberately raising interest rates in 1931 at a time when the economy was already near free fall.
Because of this uncertainty, there was a big increase in demand for gold, the one safe asset in this setting, which meant the relative price of gold must rise. If everybody is trying to hoard more gold, you’re going to have to pay more potatoes to get an ounce of gold. Since the U.S. insisted on holding the dollar price of gold fixed, this meant that the dollar price of potatoes had to fall. The longer a country stayed on the gold standard, the more overall deflation it experienced. Many of us are persuaded that this deflation greatly added to the economic difficulties of those countries that insisted on sticking with a fixed value of their currency in terms of gold.
Crash our economy and make RON PAUL RICH AS HELL!
~What a super-duper campaign slogan
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:34pm.
Did you read that off the tattoo on Satch's backside when you took him to the cleaners?
Gold would collapse an
Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 8:41am.
Gold would collapse an economy. That's truly hilarious. The Gold Standard did not propagate the Great Depression; government interference in the markets did as well as government spending. Truly hilarious. Yep, we're off the gold standard and our economy is sailing along! Our dollar is worth more and more. You have no idea what you're even trying to argue.
Sissyboy Satchmo LIES again. and again. and again.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:17am.
No one said changing to the gold standard would crash the economy. Nor did anyone say GOLD ITSELF would collapse the economy as his first sentence indicates. IT IS A VICIOUS PAULTARD LIE AGAIN.
Here is what we said because Sissyboy Satchmo LIES.
Ron Paul the KING PAULTARD wants to crash the economy so his portfolio will go through the roof.
Sissyboy Satchmo LIES AGAIN,
Sissyboy Satchmo: The Gold Standard did not propagate the Great Depression
No one said claims it definitively did LIAR. The man said he ARGUED it. He put forward an ARGUMENT that he said was an ARGUMENT. Sissyboy Satchmo brings arguments and falsely acts and claims they are facts, a LIE.
Every single government on the planet left the gold standard FOR CAUSE. No one else on the planet is advocating returning to the gold standard but the RACIST LOON Ron Paul. Not one single country is advocating returning to the gold standard. Why?
Oh look, someone saying nearly the SAME THING as the WSJ article I linked above ----
Gold Standard Would Ruin Us
Going to a gold bullion standard, as we and the UK had in the past, would deflate our economy to zero.
A Gold bullion standard- whereby paper money can be exchanged for a fixed amount of gold at a fixed set price, is NOT good.
If the government were to continue to hold gold at a nominal set fixed price, a growing economy would deflate itself to zero.
A growing population increases economic activity, as economic activity increases, the economy needs a proportional increase in money supply to keep things constant- zero inflation zero deflation. That means, your economy can grow, and your money supply can grow- WITHOUT inflation or deflation.
If economic activity increases, but money supply does not, there is only one way to compensate, lower prices. As prices lower, thereby causing “deflation” we then push the economy to zero. This is why a federal agency needs to closely monitor the economy in order to increase money supply proportional to economic activity.
Indeed, this is a very simplistic explanation, but in short, this is why a gold standard is not a viable option. In fact, it was the gold standard which was a major factor in causing the 1929 banking crisis to develop into a full blown depression. Hoover himself stated that he demanded that the Federal Reserve inject money into banks on the brink of collapse, but that there was no money available, since the government had a limited amount of gold, and the US dollar at that time was backed by gold, the government would have had to allocate funds to buy more gold in order for more money to be printed. Since we did not have the required elasticity of a fiat currency- we created an instant- hyper-deflation which caused the economy to crash hard and fast, the 1929 depression- REASON- gold standard.
Read the whole thing.
Sissyboy Satchmo is a VICIOUS SERIAL LIAR.
"No one said changing to the
Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:28am.
"No one said changing to the gold standard would crash the economy."
"You mean like how the King Paultard Ron Paul wants to force the return to the gold standard on all of us and crash the economy..."
Sissyboy Satchmo LIES again. and again. and again.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:44am.
Sissyboy Satchmo spends post after post calling me a liar when I QUOTE him. Now my over the top hyperbole about KING PAULTARD Ron Paul is suddenly ironclad hard core truffiness.
Yes Sissyboy, I am dead on nail to the wall serious as a heart attack that Ron Paul wants to crash the economy so he can get super rich. Not hyperbole. Not sarcasm. Not an exaggeration. Not grandiloquence. Not bombast. No. Must be taken literally because EVERYTHING I SAY IS THE HARD CORE TRUTH JUST LIKE SISSYBOY SATCHMO SAYS. Right Sissyboy? Everything I say is literal. You never accuse anyone here of using figurative language. EVAH.
Oh and since you feel it neccessary to quote me, or whoever it is you put in the quotes ---
YES YES YES. RON PAUL IS A RETARD AND A LOON. FIGURATIVELY. HE IS. HONEST.
Also SISSYBOY, you missed the and in that sentence.
Ron Paul wants to return to the gold standard
AND
crash the economy.
He wants both not one leading to the other.
You can't even LIE correctly
Oh, it's hyperbole when you
Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:17am.
Oh, it's hyperbole when you do it, not a lie by your standard. Snicker.
the vet
Submitted by elvis on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:22am.
should watch his blood pressure.
Up yours Dead Zippers.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:23am.
Take a hike.
dead zippers?
Submitted by elvis on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:28am.
?
"Wha? Huh? Who?"
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:34am.
"Wha? Huh? Who?"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 08/04/2011 - 9:42am.
The jig's up again, O Master of Deception.
I said it was dead on the nail serious as a heart attack.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:32am.
Why don't you quote me on that too Sissy. Of course you missed the other parts of that sentence. You know, the KING PAULTARD part that made it so serious. Or that King Paultard WANTS. Yes. I know exactly what he wants.
Yes Sissyboy, it was hyperbole. I have never lied here once. I caught you in a few more lies just TODAY. You engage in LIES. Constantly. I have listed almost 70 lies and Stupid HERE. Absolutely NONE of the 70 lies and stupid were hyperbole. AND YOU HAVE YET TO PROVE A SINGLE ONE WAS NOTHING OTHER THAN A LIE OR STUPID.
NOT.
A
SINGLE.
ONE.
Calling me a liar again just like the cut and run coward you are.
Still waiting COWARD. I proved I was correct on one statement. Still waiting for you to say how the other ones were lies sissy.
YOU
Submitted by elvis on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:33am.
ARE
AWESOME
AT
DRAMATIC
FORMATTING
AND
EXPRESSING
YOUR
RAGE.
Oh look. Dead Zippers is reading my mind again.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:42am.
Yeah, little trollie, you got the magical ESP powers to peer over the wires and see exactly how angiz the trolljegeren is. Say, when is my next bowel movement? Can you see that in the mist as well?
Notice you can't back him up. I did notice that. You want to back up the guy you are defending? Or you another cut and run sissy that attacks other posters and then runs for the hills.
You seriously want to put a hurt on me trollie. Prove I lied. Prove me wrong. Other than that, you a just another sissy little ankle-biter that runs in and puts on a snip when he sees someone is otherwise engaged.
you didn't lie
Submitted by elvis on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:48am.
You didn't even say anything
Whatever ankle biter.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:59am.
Must have missed my posts with with sources saying moving to the gold standard, something we abandoned for cause, would be disastrous. There was only like, oh, 3 of those. But yeah, you is not trollie at all. Just a little ankle biting snipper is all.
Iz not Dead Zippahz mizzer. Iz not. Just act, sound, type, and think like hiz izzall. Iz not sippiz. Iz not. Rilly. Iz got honextingz post to mzke.
Yeah, you prove how wicked smart you are by removing your ass and wearing it for a hat. Mmmmkay? You have done so so very very many times in the past.
My Ron Paul statements are to be taken seriously everyone.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:22am.
Sissyboy Satchmo quoting The Vet: You mean like how the King Paultard Ron Paul wants to force the return to the gold standard on all of us and crash the economy...
Yes. Take that seriously as a serious pushing of fact now. ...Ron Paul wants... ...Ron Paul WANTS....
Yes. Ron Paul DOES WANT that. He told me just 2 days ago.
Yes everyone. You take that statement from me and use it to say that I believe changing to the gold standard would immediately crash the ecnomy overnight. As a matter of fact, I am using all of my King Paultard hyperbole as excerpts from my thesis - "Gold sucks really bad and here is why". It was submitted 3 months ago. I should be getting my doctorate in economics any day. Gonna go check the mail now. Maybe it finally came in.
Sissyboy Satchmo LIES again. and again. and again.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:28am.
Sissyboy Satchmo: Gold would collapse an economy. That's truly hilarious.
Sissyboy Satchmo LIES, VICIOUS SERIAL LIES.
A gold standard also creates economic volatility in the economy. Monetary theory is based on the elegant formula MV = PQ. Holding V (monetary velocity) constant, changes in money supply directly changes the GDP level. Under a gold standard, money supply is restricted by the supply of gold, based on world mine output. National gold supply could shrink because of shocks. As an example, the Roman empire was subjected to credit crunches during wartime when hostile forces captured Roman gold and territory.
The problem of fractional lending remains under a gold standard. The banking system could still create credit. Under such a regime, if everyone decided to redeem their paper currency for gold, the money supply would collapse and the result would be another Depression. Do we want to get rid of the banking system?
If we were to take the radical step of eliminating fractional lending, going to a gold standard would mean a drastic shrinking of world GDP given the amount of money sloshing around the world today.
Same old, same old
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:12pm.
Incestmo on Santorum:
This post contains some tough news. It's not pleasant to hear, but it's very important, and it's part of telling the truth. I assume you already know that Rick Santorum is not interested in anyone else's opinion beyond having it serve as an impetus for setting his own jaws into motion. All such combinations of audacity with ignorance would be supremely ridiculous but for one consideration: He occasionally shows what appears to be militant theocratic impulses. You should realize, however, that these expressions are more feigned than real and invariably serve an ulterior motive, such as to till the wretched side of his egotism garden. If you're the type who dares to think for yourself, then you've probably already determined that he is not only immoral but amoral. As this post draws to a close, I should state that I regret not having been able to say more about how Rick Santorum's "sincerity" is as transparent as the icy, uncaring look in his eyes. Don't make me repeat myself. I am RIGHT!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Blonde
Submitted by panzerakc on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 3:14pm.
"to till the wretched side of his egotism garden"
What a hilarious image! (Lots of weeds in that garden, I'm betting!)
The lady DOES have a way with words!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 3:25pm.
.
You mean a way with someone
Submitted by Satchmo on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 3:47pm.
You mean a way with someone else's words.
~Don't pout
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:33pm.
Blonde can't help it if it sounds better coming from human lips.
i googled santorum,
Submitted by elvis on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:19am.
and it was disgusting. no way i'm voting for that barbarian.
Get Real
Submitted by River City on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:37am.
The leftists in this country have cornered the market on outrageous hyperbole. (Is that redundant?)
How in the world can they be expected to be taken seriously when spouting rhetoric like this?
Another example and proof of why the traditional media sources are becoming obsolete.
@River_City
"Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind." Ayn Rand
"...Williams exposed some of
Submitted by ant on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:46am.
"...Williams exposed some of her ignorance about religious matters." Whaddaya mean 'some'?
Goldberg, I meant. I don't
Submitted by Ken Shepherd on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:31pm.
Goldberg, I meant. I don't know where "Williams" came from. Maybe I need a second cup of coffee.
Hey, I didn't notice that
Submitted by ant on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:40pm.
Hey, I didn't notice that either. It's all good, I know who you meant, besides, if Goldberg is gonna write blatant lies and get away with it, a little name slip-up is nothing.
Well.....
Submitted by jdripper on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:50am.
I am not a Michelle Bachman supporter, and I like the way the press attacks one candidate and stays on them till they feel they broken them. What this is doing is giving Romney and Perry time to build their organizations and fund raising. As long as the press is fixated on Bachman brings us closer day by day to destroying BO.
Jack
The left are so tolerant
Submitted by c5then on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:55am.
They believe 100% in freedom of religion, except for Christians. They believe that all religions are equally valid, except for Christianity. They believe that whatever religion a public figure practices is no one's business, unless they are a Christian.
Nothing can be as rabidly fervent as the left's hypocrisy.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
anyone notice the subtle twist
Submitted by spepper on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:59am.
Anyone notice the subtle twist in the Newsweek propaganda about Bachmann, Perry et.al. believe that Christians have a "..God-given right to rule earthly institutions..."? That part about "..God-given RIGHT to RULE..." couldn't be MORE (intentionally)inaccurate-- what patriotic Christians DO believe is that they have a moral OBLIGATION to engage in the conduct of public affairs, but ONLY to the extent to which it conforms to the principles of limited government as set forth by the Constitution, a document originally written by inspiration from Christian principles.
Dear President Downgrade...
Submitted by Roy Rogers on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:05pm.
Conservatives don't trust you. Democrats are dissapointed in you. Liberals despise you. Your own family takes every opportunity to be as far away from you as possible.
Take the hint. Resign in disgrace now before you lose what little control the left has left.
Stories like this from your lap dog media poodles denigrate you more than they do your political superiors.
V/R
Yes We Will In 2012
Thank er... well... not God but something
Submitted by Suilbup on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:10pm.
Thank Gaia that we have wonderful womyn like Michelle Goldberg to read the minds of these nut jobs and tell us what they're REALLY thinking. I, for one, am heartened that Michelle has decided to use her awesome mind-reading powers for good and has deigned to let us lowly humans in on the "big secret." Thank you, Michelle. Now, for your next trick, why not tell those of us without the mind-reading gene what the terrorists (I mean the ones in Afghanistan - NOT the Tea Partiers) are planning?
Michelle Goldman
Submitted by WarKingRoy on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:11pm.
Here is another pseudo-journalist who propagates lies about those who don't want to see his country become a third-rate eurostyle socialist state, and especially those who might have a good chance of unseating her leftist/statist hero currently sitting in the oval office destroying the greatness of our country. A country he himself said in one of his books should be made to PAY for having been built on the backs of minorities...
Remember when the liberals
Submitted by Gothampc on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:13pm.
Remember when the liberals accused George W. Bush of the same thing? Didn't happen did it?
I can never take Michelle Goldberg seriously because her book "Kingdom Coming" is so poorly researched as to be laughable. In the book she ignores points of doctrine of Evangelical Christians that can easily be checked online. I even checked on Wikipedia some things she got wrong, just to ensure that my Evangelical Christian upbringing hadn't failed me. The least she could have done was some fact checking on Wikipedia.
Here are some examples of
Submitted by ant on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:26pm.
Here are some examples of left-journolist fact-checking ( a difficult task in the age of the Internet, I suppose;
1) the space shuttle runs on gasoline.
2) "Freedom of speech" means Palin must talk to any member of the press, whenever they want.
3)enforcement of immigration laws makes 'illegal border-crossing' and fraudulent ID a crime.
4) a 10% tax increased to 15% is only a 5 % increase, except that it is really a 50% increase.
5) everything is climate change.
6) homosexual men should be allowed to donate blood, the risks are minimal, someone smoking, however, will kill us all!
7) Infidelity can only make a marriage stronger.
Wow! Now that I think about it, there are just too many examples of lazy, biased journolism. Way too many. But, on the bright side, if the media doesn't like the facts they can always just omit them.
Goldberg's book
Submitted by Gothampc on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:16pm.
I don't have her book with me, but one of the things that Goldberg said in her book was that Evangelical Christians number the 10 Commandments differently than the Jews do.
I can't link it right now.
Submitted by ant on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:52pm.
But I have to add a sad, yet hilarious, video journal report from a 'writer' at Mother Jones magazine about domestic cats being "enviromental killers". Some of the choice cuts;
"Cats are responsible for the extinction of 33 bird species."
"The best way to keep cats from killing and eating birds is for people to stop feeding stray cats." huh? Wouldn't a hungry cat be more likely to kill and eat a bird? Hey, I didn't go to journalism school, so what would I know.
Cars are apparently the second leading cause of death for birds, maybe true, but I see a lot more dead mammals on the road than I do birds.
No mention, BTW, of how many birds have been killed by wind-turbines or the mysterious mass death of birds in two States last year. Covert cat operations, perhaps.
If Christians wanted a
Submitted by rbosque on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:20pm.
If Christians wanted a theocracy then they missed thier opportunity years ago when the founded the nation.
But the left is just trying to rally their athiest base with typical lies and fear-mongering. If they should fear any theocracy, it's the ones that meet in mosques and ARE calling for the overthrow of the Constitution for Sharia law.
What a shock
Submitted by dliston on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:23pm.
You know, all you have to do is pull up her page and a list of articles and who she has written for and see she is an anti-christian jewish bigot and a left wing extremist. Most of her articles are attacking Conservatives, Republicans, and Christians and she wrote for Rolling Stone, NYT, The New Republic and the Nation. She is about as far left as you can get and that should tell you something about how extreme left and partisan Democratic Newsweek has become. These people never cease to amaze me.
Actually, I can't blame her
Submitted by ant on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:11pm.
Actually, I can't blame her for remaining ignorant on Christianity, she must keep it at arms length. If she actually delved into the teachings of Christ, she might have to look at herself in the mirror, and horror of horrors, might actually agree with those teachings. In the worst case, she may actually agree wholeheartedly, and try to walk in peace and grace. That would definitely interfere with her 'control' of her life and the lifestyle she's become accustomed to.
interesting
Submitted by jazzact13 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:34pm.
Frankie Schaeffer keeps saying that Bachmann has been influenced by his father, Francis Schaeffer, and his writings. But Francis Schaeffer was not a Dominionist at all, and did not want to set up a theocracy.
Concerning Perry, there is one troubling aspect to his recent prayer gathering--the presence of people from the Kansas City International House of Prayer and related groups. Though not Dominionists in the Reconstructionist sense, there does seem to be that strain in their teachings.
But the last thing would be that, if one reads and hears what liberals are putting out, one can't help but think that they themselves have dominionist tendencies. They are insistent that governments must do as they say--raise taxes, provide almost unlimited funding to social programs, pass laws restricting free speech and making some crimes worse because they are "hate crimes", all of this in accordance to how they read scripture and what they think God or god wants of the nations and to set up their version of the Kingdom of God.
If there are people out there who want to make the world into their version of God's kingdom, well, maybe some of them are on the right, but there are just as many if not more on the left.
"Thoroughly worldly people never understand even the world; they rely altogether on a few cynical maxims which are not true."
Chesterton, Orthodoxy
And they tore up Glenn Beck about being a conspiracy nut?
Submitted by GONAVY on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:40pm.
Where's the justice?
Newsweek and the Beast
Submitted by dr-go on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:42pm.
aren't as good a read as the National Enquirer. Pathetic psuedo-journalism.
Obviously Goldberg forgets
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:07pm.
Obviously Goldberg forgets the first rule of crazy people .. they all say they're not crazy.
I blame Bushilter... his 8 years in office clearly drove all the socialist-Democrats INSANE.
She even has it in for Ross Whodat, some ersatz conservative (but not really) who was "contemptuous" towards her. (Whodat is the liberal pet who gets endorsed by liberals)
Of course, "contemptuous" is liberal speak for "that conservative effectively demolished my talking points."
Keep laughing at Goldberg and her ilk. It's drives them NUTS -- sorry, I mean even more nuits.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Never Heard of Dominionism!
Submitted by Comrade Jim on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 12:48pm.
But whatever it is, it would be better than Marxinionism which holds that it is a Marx-given right for Marxists to rule all Earthly Institutions.
Dominionism
Submitted by Gothampc on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:28pm.
As an Evangelical Christian, I have to say that Dominionism is not going to happen. It's liberals taking a belief system and trying to stir up hatred against it.
Now, if they are talking about when Jesus returns to Earth, that's a whole other story. Many Christians believe that Jesus will return to rule Earth, but in that time period, the Scripture says that there will be perfect peace on Earth. So what's the problem with that?
Theophobia?
Submitted by Pilgrim1949 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:07pm.
Yet another case of proudly vomting forth one's utter intellectual ignorance and hypocritical "tolerance" for all to behold.
Yup, surely anyone can clearly see that them thar gun-and-Bible-clingin' societal rejects are once again aiming for total world conquest (wasn't the term "submission") and forcing eveyrone to bow to their diety by raping, pillaging, burning and suicide-bombing anyone who dares to resist them.
Oh no, wait....that was the Islamofacists wasn't it?
Then there are all those homophobic, mysognist, racist restrictions and violence and, um, uh....
Oh no, wait....that was the Islamofacists again, wasn't it?
Hmm...there goes another Liberal/Progressive meme down the ol' toilet. Dang, had such an aura of "truthiness" to it, too! Sure spoils a good Liberal wet dream, doesn't it!?
"Ye canne change the laws of physics....." but some politicians believe that with the right legislation you can pretend they don't really apply to your own pet projects...
Goldberg is an uninformed
Submitted by ForeverOnTheRight on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:20pm.
Goldberg is an uninformed paranoid bigoted leftist, period. If Bachmann wants a theocracy so did the Founding Fathers. If Goldberg read and understood what the Founding Fathers believed and wanted she would probably think they wanted a theocracy and thank Darwin it never came to pass. Her thinking reminds me of racists who are afraid that some minority is going to take over this country.
This, yes
Submitted by panzerakc on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 3:24pm.
"Goldberg is an uninformed paranoid bigoted leftist, period."
I am reminded of the Mark Twain comment, "Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
What Mark Twain said sounds
Submitted by ForeverOnTheRight on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 5:59pm.
What Mark Twain said sounds like a Biblical proverb. I looked for it in the Bible but could not find it. The closest proverb is Prov. 17:28, "Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues."
That's what they said about Bush
Submitted by CobraMan on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:27pm.
That's what they said about Bush. I remember liberals mentioning the movie "V for Vendetta" and telling each other that there will be a big demand for Guy Fawkes masks in the near future.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Um, I guess these guys were theocrats too?
Submitted by stage9 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:32pm.
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." 1. -- John Adams (Signer of the Declaration; Judge; Diplomat; One of the Two Signers of the Bill of Rights, Second President of the United States)
"The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in this earth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost. . . . There is no authority, civil or religious – there can be no legitimate government but what is administered by this Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or in more orthodox words damnation." 2 -- John Adams (Signer of the Declaration; Judge; Diplomat; One of the Two Signers of the Bill of Rights, Second President of the United States)
"Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity... That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants."9. -- Congress, U. S. House Judiciary Committee, 1854
"The great pillars of all government and of social life [are] virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible."22 -- Patrick Henry (Revolutionary general; Legislator; The Voice of Liberty; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Governor of Virginia)
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."25. -- John Jay (President of Congress; Diplomat; Author of the Federalist Papers; Original Chief justice of the US Supreme Court; Governor of New York)
"A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven." 27. -- James Madison (Signer of the Constitution; Author of the Federalist Papers; Framer of the Bill of Rights; Secreatey of State; Fourth President of the Unted States)
"There must be religion. When that ligament is torn, society is disjointed and its members perish… [T]he most important of all lessons is the denunciation of ruin to every state that rejects the precepts of religion."29 -- Gouverneur Morris (Revolutionary Officer; Member of teh Continental Congress; signer of the Constitution; Penman of the Constitution; Diplomat; US Senator)
"To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. All efforts made to destroy the foundations of our Holy Religion ultimately tend to the subversion also of our political freedom and happiness. In proportion as the genuine effects of Christianity are diminished in any nation… in the same proportion will the people of that nation recede from the blessings of genuine freedom… Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government – and all the blessings which flow from them – must fall with them. 30. -- Jedidiah Morse ( Historian of teh American Revolution; Educator; Father of American Geography; Appointed Secretary of State to document condition of Indian Affairs)
"Has [government] any solid foundation? Any chief cornerstone?... I think it has an everlasting foundation in the unchangeable will of God… The sum of my argument is that civil government is of God."31. -- James Otis (Leader of the Sons of Liberty; Attorney & Jurist; Mentor of John Hancock & Samuel Adams)
"[T]he greatest discoveries in science have been made by Christian philosophers and . . . there is the most knowledge in those countries where there is the most Christianity." 34. -- Benjamin Rush (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Surgeon General of teh Continental Army; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Father of American Medicine; Treasurer of the US Mint; Father of Public Schools under the Constitution)
"One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundations."37. -- Joseph Story (US Congressman; Father of American Jurisprudence; US Supreme Court Justice Appointed by President James Madison)
"I verily believe that Christianity is necessary to support a civil society and shall ever attend to its institutions and acknowledge its precepts as the pure and natural sources of private and social happiness."38. -- Joseph Story (US Congressman; Father of American Jurisprudence; US Supreme Court Justice Appointed by President James Madison)
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."40. -- George Washington (Judge; memeber of the Continental Congress; Commander-in-Cheif of the Continental Army; President of the Constitutional Convention; First President of the United States; Father of the Country)
"The blessing and protection of Heaven are at all times necessary but especially so in times of public distress and danger. The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier, defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country."41. -- George Washington (Judge; memeber of the Continental Congress; Commander-in-Cheif of the Continental Army; President of the Constitutional Convention; First President of the United States; Father of the Country)
"[T]he Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society."42. -- Daniel Webster ( US Senator; Secreatary of State; Defender of the Constitution)
"Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens."43. -- Daniel Webster ( US Senator; Secreatary of State; Defender of the Constitution)
"[T]he religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles… This is genuine Christianity and to this we owe our free constitutions of government."46. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"[T]he Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children under a free government ought to be instructed. No truth is more evident than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."50. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"[T]he Christian religion… is the basis, or rather the source, of all genuine freedom in government… I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of Christianity have not a controlling influence."52. -- Noah Webster (Revolutionary Soldier; Judge; Legislator; Educator; Invented Websters Dictionary)
"[H]e is the best friend to American liberty who is the most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion (James 1:27), and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind. Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country.53.-- John Witherspoon ( Signer fo the Declaration of Independence; Ratifier of teh US Constitution; Presidnet of Princeton)
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
Um, I guess these guys were theocrats too?
Submitted by stage9 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:31pm.
"In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity." -- John Quincy Adams (Sixth President of the United States; Diplomat; Secretary of State; U.S. Senator; US Representative)
Called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . ."the peaceful and glorious reign of our Divine Redeemer may be known and enjoyed throughout the whole family of mankind (3)....that we may with one heart and voice humbly implore His gracious and free pardon through Jesus Christ, supplicating His Divine aid. . . [and] above all to cause the religion of Jesus Christ, in its true spirit, to spread far and wide till the whole earth shall be filled with His glory (4)....with true contrition of heart to confess their sins to God and implore forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ our Savior."(5) -- Samual Adams (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Father of the American Revolution; Ratifier of the US Constitution; Governor of Massachusetts)
Called on the people of New Hampshire . . . "to confess before God their aggravated transgressions and to implore His pardon and forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ . . . [t]hat the knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ may be made known to all nations, pure and undefiled religion universally prevail, and the earth be fill with the glory of the Lord."6 -- Josiah Bartlett (Miliary Officer; Singer of the Declaration of Independence; Judge; Governor of New Hampshire)
"Let us enter on this important business under the idea that we are Christians on whom the eyes of the world are now turned… [L]et us earnestly call and beseech Him, for Christ’s sake, to preside in our councils. . . . We can only depend on the all powerful influence of the Spirit of God, Whose Divine aid and assistance it becomes us as a Christian people most devoutly to implore. Therefore I move that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning . . . in order to open the meeting with prayer."7. -- Elias Boudinot (President of
Congress; Signed the Peace Treaty to end the American Revolution; Forst Attorney Admitted to the US Supreme Court bar; Framer of teh Bill of Rights; Director of the US Mint)
"The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ."8 -- Congress 1854
"[Governments] could not give the rights essential to happiness… We claim them from a higher source: from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth.10. -- John Dickenson (Signer of the Constitution; Governor of Pennsylvania; Governor of Deleware; General in the American Revolution)
Called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . ."with one heart and voice we may prostrate ourselves at the throne of heavenly grace and present to our Great Benefactor sincere and unfeigned thanks for His infinite goodness and mercy towards us from our birth to the present moment for having above all things illuminated us by the Gospel of Jesus Christ, presenting to our view the happy prospect of a blessed immortality.(11) And for our unparalleled ingratitude to that Adorable Being Who has seated us in a land irradiated by the cheering beams of the Gospel of Jesus Christ . . . let us fall prostrate before offended Deity, confess sincerely and penitently our manifold sins and our unworthiness of the least of His Divine favors, fervently implore His pardon through the merits of our mediator.(12) And deeply impressed with a scene of our unparalleled ingratitude, let us contemplate the blessings which have flowed from the unlimited grave and favor of offended Deity, that we are still permitted to enjoy the first of Heaven’s blessings: the Gospel of Jesus Christ." (13) -- Elbridge Gerry (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; member of the Constitutional Convention; Framer of teh bill of Rights; Governor of Massachusetts; Vice President of the United States)
Called on the State of Massachusetts to pray . . ."that all nations may bow to the scepter of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and that the whole earth may be filled with his glory."14
"...that the spiritual kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ may be continually increasing until the whole earth shall be filled with His glory."15
...to confess their sins and to implore forgiveness of God through the merits of the Savior of the World.16
"...to cause the benign religion of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to be known, understood, and practiced among all the inhabitants of the earth."17
"...to confess their sins before God and implore His forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior."18
"...that He would finally overrule all events to the advancement of the Redeemer’s kingdom and the establishment of universal peace and good will among men."19
"...that the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ may be established in peace and righteousness among all the nations of the earth."20
"...that with true contrition of heart we may confess our sins, resolve to forsake them, and implore the Divine forgiveness, through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, our Savior. . . . And finally to overrule all the commotions in the world to the spreading the true religion of our Lord Jesus Christ in its purity and power among all the people of the earth."21 -- John Handcock (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; President of Congress; Revolutionary General; Governor of Massachusetts)
"It becomes a people publicly to acknowledge the over-ruling hand of Divine Providence and their dependence upon the Supreme Being as their Creator and Merciful Preserver . . . and with becoming humility and sincere repentance to supplicate the pardon that we may obtain forgiveness through the merits and mediation of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."23 -- Samuel Huntington (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; President of Congress; Judge; Governor of Connecticut)
"I recommend a general and public return of praise and thanksgiving to Him from whose goodness these blessings descend. The most effectual means of securing the continuance of our civil and religious liberties is always to remember with reverence and gratitude the source from which they flow."24. -- John Jay (President of Congress; Diplomat; Author of the Federalist Papers; Original Chief justice of the US Supreme Court; Governor of New York)
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."26. -- Thomas Jefferson (Signer of the Declaration of Independence; Diplomat; Governor of Virginia; Secreatary of State; Third President of the United States)
Called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . ."all nations may know and be obedient to that grace and truth which came by Jesus Christ."39. -- Caleb Strong (Delegate to the Constitutional Convention; Ratifier of the Constitution; US Senator; Governor of Massachusetts)
(References provided upon request)
I think radicals have woken up in the wrong country and wrong century. Haven't we outgrown the cumbersome nonsense of atheistic imbecility yet?
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
stage9,
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:35pm.
good post, short answer though - According to liberals, yes these people are Theocrats. This is one of the reasons they have been vilifying the founding fathers. If you lack the faith to rely upon yourself or yourself and God then you will rely on the government and those appointed to be your 'betters'.
OMG! OMG! Bachmann is a
Submitted by ex buff e-dub on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 1:50pm.
OMG! OMG! Bachmann is a Christian! Perry is a Christian! Romney is a MORMON Christian!
What shall we DO !!??
/irony switch: - OFF
/sarc switch: - OFF
/satire switch: - OFF
Clearly they're in trouble
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 2:59pm.
Clearly they're in trouble with an electorate in which a mere 80% self-identify themselves as Christian in opinion polls.
It's an up-hill battle for them to resonate with voters, that's for sure.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Jazzact13: "But the last
Submitted by dliston on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 4:21pm.
Jazzact13:
"But the last thing would be that, if one reads and hears what liberals are putting out, one can't help but think that they themselves have dominionist tendencies."
Excellent point...how many times have you heard democrats and liberals say there policies should be enforced because it is biblical or Christian? For example the recent debt debate....anyone want to argue this I will be glad to list examples. Liberals routinely pronounce their political agenda to be truly Christian.
Christianophobia? absolutely....lets use this every time they say this kind of nonsense about Conservatives and Christians.
spepper: "..God-given right to rule earthly institutions..."?" Right....I am not a dominionist either but I am familiar with their teachings and they teach no such thing. This woman supposedly wrote a book about them but got this wrong?? She is either stupid beyond use or is a liar.
bachmann is a bigot
Submitted by elvis on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 4:39pm.
Ugh, Christians are scary. kill the gays!
Which website told you to
Submitted by NC Cop on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 4:41pm.
Which website told you to think that, Daily Kos or Huffington Post?
Just curious.
Well, you're certainly the independent little thinker.
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 4:48pm.
Kill the gays? Who's advocating that?
Oh yeah, those friendly, neighborhood muslims you would never think to call scary, what with your tolerant, benevolent ways.
haha
Submitted by elvis on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 4:52pm.
Just kidding, sry, we probably shouldn't kill them. Jail them though. Cut off their b*llz
Attention Resident Trolls:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 4:53pm.
You all just moved up one notch.
'Sup Ted?
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 4:59pm.
-
The real Elvis croaked on the toilet taking a crap
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 6:45pm.
Perhaps you could do us a favor and emulate him.
BTW: Do you have any idea what Muslims do to homosexuals as a matter of practice?
Somehow I doubt it.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Well, good. I was kinda
Submitted by TheReal_mojo on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 5:28pm.
Well, good. I was kinda hoping somebody besides the Muslims had a plan...
Liberal Insanity
Submitted by RealVet on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 5:34pm.
Liberal paranoia would be hilarious except for the fact that these people actually believe the abject idiocy that they blather about. Christianity seems to terrify them worse than Islamic Fundamentalism. They consider opposition to the murder of the unborn a purely Christian notion that stifles "choice", while at the same time they regard the beheading of innocent people opposed to Islamic theocracy as a "political statement", or a "revolutionary act". It borders on insanity.
This woman needs to spend a couple of weeks in Dearborn Michigan, where the police and city government actually enforce many elements of Sharia law.
I read the article...
Submitted by tdabbs on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 5:47pm.
The lead paragraph ties Bachmann and Perry to this "movement", then does nothing to show that they are tied to it, except that they are Christians in some form. Not much in the way of journalism. This was just trying to smear potential Obama opponents.
I have read only one other article by this girl, and it was completely partisan based as well.
The comments from readers were truly bizarre, they actually seemed to believe this crap. No intelligence on the left it seems.
Sad
Submitted by dliston on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:46pm.
It's really sad about Frank Schaeffer however. His dad Francis and CS Lewis were the main reasons I became a Christian from Agnosticism. Frank was an influence too and I have several of his books which I greatly enjoyed. I really dont know what happened to him. Not the same person at all. Body snatchers?? He was very critical of the Left but never as hateful or strident to them as he is now to Christians or Conservatives which he once called himself. His defacing of his father's legacy is inexcusable however since both parents are dead and cannot defend themselves.
christain takeover
Submitted by jerry lee on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:34pm.
it only figures that christains would be attacked by a web site called the daily ( BEAST ) WONDER IF THE GUYS NAME THAT OWNS THE WEB SITE IS MR,NATAS LIVE,FOR THOSES THAT DONT GET MY JOKE YOU SPELL THE FIRST & LAST NAME BACKWARDS,MAYBE THAT IS THE REAL OWNER ?
Muhuahaha
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:37pm.
Once having won the WH and Congress, every liberal will be handed a Bible and made to read it, just like when George W Bush was POTUS and Ronald Reagan before him. /sarcasm/
BHOOO!
Goldberg is a remake of one of Hearst's mudslingers.
Submitted by daveinboca on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:50pm.
Tina Brown and her band of mindless ink-stained wretches are assembling enough material for a remake of Citizen Kane that could be called Citizen Brown...! You know, the old Marxist adage about history repeating itself as tragedy the first time, the second time as farce. Newsweak's cover of Bachmann last week demonstrated just how silly Tina's senseless taste has devolved since she was s-canned from The New Yorker.
Her next job should be along the lines of running The National Inquirer, except that the folks there are more journalistically ethical than the Daily Beasts & Newsweak galley slaves....!
Get off the Obambi Sperm!
Submitted by billwhit1357 on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 3:13am.
Ken, sounds like you have taken one too many rides in the back of Hussein Limo. Get off his penis and write the Truth sometime! You God Haters will answer for your sickness one day.
Ken who, billwhit1357 ?---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 4:21am.
Based on your profile, your post comes across as someone who is a plant out to make NewsBusters and conservatives look bad.
Am I wrong?
Or are you just with the Westboro Baptist crew?
MD
America would never have
Submitted by Semus on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:27am.
America would never have become what it is without a Judeo-Chistian culture and Judeo-Christian influences. I would welcome someone with Bachmann's values in the Presidency. She should be asked what her problem with that is. Maybe she'd rather have the Cut-Off-Their-Heads culture, sounds like it.
The thing of it is
Submitted by misterbee241 on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:16pm.
she is right about Dominion Theology. There is also something called Joel's Army that is based on dominion theology that believe they are entrusted to take the world under their control so Christ can return. Both of these movements are bogus scripturally, doctrinally, and theologically. no real Christian subscribes to them. As a Christian, i reject and renounce them. Goldberg has no clue as to what she is talking about. I urge people here to checkout dominion theology and Joel's Army.
I see nothing anywhere that Bachman or Perry are associated with these heresies.
Let's not forget that the
Submitted by dscott on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 3:57pm.
Let's not forget that the KKK, Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson also claim they are Christian and the MSM have at times when it is convenient to their agenda asserted as such. There are a lot of pretenders.
Not so fast...
Submitted by kathy5319 on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 3:34am.
Pardon me, but when it comes to the topic of religion and politics and "conspiracy", especially end-times beliefs among certain Christians, it IS worthy of exploring. How can it not be? Example: according to Pew Research, June 2010 "41 percent of people in the United States believe that Jesus Christ will either definitely or probably return to Earth before 2050. That number climbs to almost six in 10 when discussing Evangelicals, and more than half of the people living in the South."
Whether one is an Evangelical Christian believing these are the end-times and looks through this lens & fears the NWO, coming anti-Christ, etc... or conversely, others who don't share these views might also be wary of the apocalyptic zietgeist. Religion and politics can be a dangerous mix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig
When powerful Christian lobby groups like CUFI are trying to dictate American policy toward Israel, calling for pre-emptive nuking Iran, and against a 2-state solution... *coming from their selective understanding of scripture and end-times*, it is worthy of paying attention. When Sarah Palin campaigned for VP and had shown little foreign affairs experience, yet selectively commented that "Jews will be flocking to Israel in the months and years to come" and other statements she has made, I am certain that those statements were shaped by her apocalyptic world view (that includes hastening Armageddon! and then Christ's return).
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-18/michele-bachmann-s-hazardous-lo...
If at its most benign, Dominionism ala Pat Robertson, is sending Christians to Washington to "take this country back for Christ", it goes without saying that Mitt Romney doesn't have a prayer. Our Founding Fathers carefully set up an institution designed to be friendly to a diversity of largely Christians (and other faiths) drawing from... yes, their own Christianity, Humanism and Deism as well. I think its pretty obvious why Washington chose Freemasonry and classical symbols in certain historic rituals to avoid the narrow religious revisionism that is creeping back yet again.
Inane piffle. You are
Submitted by dscott on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 9:18am.
Inane piffle.
You are clearly confusing a prophecy of Christ installed world governance (initiated at His return by God) with a form of world governance instituted by man precipitated through manipulated events (Shiite belief in the return of the Mahdi). Two way different things.
What is clear is that you
Submitted by kathy5319 on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 5:54pm.
What is clear is that you didn't really read or respond to my post thoughtfully.
For the record, I don't think the majority of Americans who consider themselves Christian even know what "Dominionism" is. My point was more a very basic American, and time-honored one... that religion and politics is a dangerous mix.
How can you with intellectual honesty dispute that Christian end-times prophecy is Not being used to try and set agenda and policy as pertains to Israel? The organizations, lobbyists and polls confirm it.
The American-Christian (and
Submitted by ant on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 9:34pm.
The American-Christian (and America, in general, before the libtard virus mutated to epic proportions) view and attitude in regards to Israel is based mostly on a shared heritage/monotheism and as a fellow of western culture and a free, capitalist 'democracy', much like our relationship with England (oh... but they've been thrown under the bus by this administration as well). Sorry, but the whole 'end-times' thing ain't really a big part of it, even if a small percentage of Christians are actually pre-occupied with it, it's not something I've observed as a 'part' of Christianity and certainly not something that would guide global relationships. Besides that, when it comes to 'end-times', prophecy, and all that, "..to everything there is a season..", the Christian is not one to believe God would need human help to reach HIS deadline or need humans to establish HIS kingdom, I do know of one religion that buys into that, however.
That's the problem, I did
Submitted by dscott on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 10:57pm.
That's the problem, I did read what you said and I wholely disagree with the idea of using the broad brush to implicate ALL Christians or even most of them with some insidious plot to rule the world. This is the nonsense of fringe groups like the Hutari and other nut jobs. Dominionism is antithetical to Christianity as it is a PERVERSION of Christ's return. If you truly understood the Faith you would know that Christ's rule on earth begins with God's decision on the timing ONLY known to Him. Revelations may have given us some insight about some of the circumstances but NOT ALL of them, hence every time some nutjob attempts to calculate the return of Christ, they end up being wrong and Dominionism is just another subtle version of this nonsense. If you understood the Faith you would understand the mandate of individual preparation as the parable told by Christ regarding the 10 virgins, 5 were prepared and 5 were foolish. Go read it.
Contrary your assertion, religion and politics are NOT a dangerous mix to anyone but in the minds of atheists and generally immoral people who don't like Society's rules enforced. The Law is created for those who break it, it bares consequences for a reason. You are of the group who seem to miss the point that laws are religiously inspired, ethics springs from morality and morality springs from religion. It is no accident that liberals have methodically undermined each and every one of the 10 Commandments to make breaking them "rights."
It is this idea of misinterpreting the First Amendment into the freedom "from" religion instead of the freedom "of" religion that is so dangerous to society.
No I absolutely did not say,
Submitted by kathy5319 on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 2:28am.
No I absolutely did not say, insinuate or mean to insinuate that ALL or Most Christians have some insidious plot to rule the world... because I don't believe that! I also stated that most Christians don't even know what "Dominionism" is. I understand quite a bit about Christianity, church history and what mainstream believers (Catholic and Protestant) would consider heresy. And you are WRONG that only atheists and immoral people are concerned that religion and politics can be a dangerous mix. You are disregarding history to make such a statement.
It is Untrue that only immoral persons and atheists would be concerned about religion and politics as dangerous. Please familiarize yourself with Tom Paine's "Age of Reason". There is abundant information as well regarding Thomas Jefferson's wholly unorthodox Christianity and self-edited Bible.
I do not aim to defame nor discredit you or your faith or other's faith. I respect Christianity and its contributions and influence... although the word "Christian" holds a world of beliefs and claims that can't really co-exist, without the addition of the label "heresy". Which.... explains a lot!
What I did say and referenced a 2010 PEW poll (and there are others such as Gallup) was 41% of Americans believe in the return of Christ by 2050. So, no the vast majority aren't setting day nor hour, nor planning on taking over the world, but 41% is a large number of people. You might not know any of them, OR statistically you MAY very likely be someone who believes this and believes this is not setting a date, nor something that Christians should dwell on.
The multiple polls, flood of Left Behind popularity, the numerous "Christians united with Israel" (based on Scriptural belief) is easily verified, and your statement "very few believe this" is just not so!
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/End-Times/On-The-Road-To-Ar...
You're not thinking this
Submitted by ant on Mon, 08/22/2011 - 5:16pm.
You're not thinking this through. First of all, if 41% of Christians believe Christ will return by 2050, how does that translate into a "danger" that they WANT to speed up this process? It does not, it's a non-sequitor. Second of all, what you are alluding to, as in your example of "Christians united with Israel", is not a reflection of Dominionism or the 'end-times'. In the Biblical 'end-times' scenario, the Nations of the world are alligned AGAINST Israel, not with it. If 'some' Christians were looking forward to bringing about the apocalypse, they would be "Christians against Israel". Which brings about another problem, if "Christianity" is a 'graft onto the vine' in that, all peoples can be 'in Christ', his children, so to speak, they could not rebel against Christ (the New Covenant) or the Jews (the Old Covenant) and still call themselves Christians, nor as I said earlier, be proud or 'God-like' unto themselves and attempt to hasten the hand of God. The act/policies you seem to fear are decidedly non-Christian.
In fact, there is a post on the protestors in Spain over the Papal visit and the treatment of Catholic pilgrims, you tell me which side seems to be full of anger and hatred.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/08/world-youth-day-pilgrims-mocked-...
Ant, I don't know what your
Submitted by kathy5319 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:18am.
Ant,
I don't know what your denomination/background and knowledge is, but I then challenge you to keep an open mind, challenge your presumptions and please do a little investigation for yourself. The keywords then would be actually Dispensationalism and Christian Zionism. Look at Christian apologetics sites as to why other Christians consider this movement to be heresy and... yes, dangerous. There is ample documentation available regarding the amount of political influence that these groups have, namely "CUFI". By the way, it's great that Christians care about Israel, but IMO, they really don't care about Israel and her safety.
The anti-Catholic protestors were shameful. I don't know how that translates to me needing to "pick a side". I believe in the American ideal of respecting other peoples faiths. There may be some people who legitimately have issues against the Catholic church (or insert any other faith here), but it is apparent that this behavior was just bigotry.
Kathy
Submitted by ant on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:55am.
As far as the anti-Catholic protests are concerned, I'm not asking you to "pick" a side, I just find it interesting how the media establishment in the US likes to frame those groups that make up the protestors (gays, secular humanists..) as the compassionate, peaceful victims of the mean, dangerous, hate-filled old Christian oppressors. The reality is quite different as evidenced by....well....reality.
Ant, I actually knew you
Submitted by kathy5319 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:30pm.
Ant,
I actually knew you weren't asking me to pick a side. I agree that you have a point about the media's portrayal of Christians. But liberals are not monolithic in their spiritual beliefs by any means. And I was somewhat reacting to that stereotype "godless Liberals".
Ant, I don't know what your
Submitted by kathy5319 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:19am.
Ant,
I don't know what your denomination/background and knowledge is, but I then challenge you to keep an open mind, challenge your presumptions and please do a little investigation for yourself. The keywords then would be actually Dispensationalism and Christian Zionism. Look at Christian apologetics sites as to why other Christians consider this movement to be heresy and... yes, dangerous. There is ample documentation available regarding the amount of political influence that these groups have, namely "CUFI". By the way, it's great that Christians care about Israel, but IMO, they really don't care about Israel and her safety.
The anti-Catholic protestors were shameful. I don't know how that translates to me needing to "pick a side". I believe in the American ideal of respecting other peoples faiths. There may be some people who legitimately have issues against the Catholic church (or insert any other faith here), but it is apparent that this behavior was just bigotry.