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By Ken Shepherd | July 28, 2011 | 10:58

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Update: According to the Library of Congress website, July 28, 1868 was the day when Secretary of State William Seward "issued a proclamation certifying without reservation that the Fourteenth Amendment was a part of the United States Constitution." Todd told his viewers that July 28, 1868 was the day the amendment "officially became part of the U.S. Constitution" although Article V of the U.S. Constitution states that amendments "shall be valid to all intents and purposes...when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths" of the states, which in the case of the Fourteenth Amendment would be July 9, 1868.

Wanted: Better fact checkers for MSNBC.

For today's "Flashback" feature on the "Daily Rundown," anchor Chuck Todd misinformed viewers by noting that on July 28, 1868, the 14th Amendment went into effect.

In fact the amendment went into effect when South Carolina ratified it on July 9, 1868.

But not only was Todd off by 19 days, he selectively quoted a passage of the 14th Amendment that has some relevance to the debt ceiling debate:

 

...it's a little-known section of the Fourteenth Amendment that's getting all the attention these days. It's a section that states, quote, "the validity of the public debt shall not be questioned."

Some Democrats, of course, are calling for President Obama to invoke this clause and end the current crisis by raising the debt ceiling himself.

The White House maintains that invoking the 14th Amendment is not an option, that they've talked to their lawyers and it can't happen. Okay.

Here's the actual language of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment (emphasis mine):

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

 

You'll notice that Todd omitted the key phrase "authorized by law," as in legislation that has passed Congress, not a presidential fiat.

Todd noted that White House lawyers say they can't raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval, but it would have been more instructive to inform MSNBC viewers that the notion that a president can unilaterally act to boost the debt ceiling is so outrageous that even liberal constitutional law scholar Laurence Tribe has objected to it.

Here's a relevant excerpt from Tribe's July 8 New York Times op-ed (emphasis mine):

The Supreme Court has addressed the public debt clause only once, in 1935, in the case of Perry v. United States. The court observed only that the clause confirmed the “fundamental principle” that Congress may not “alter or destroy” debts already incurred.

Some have argued that this principle prohibits any government action that “jeopardizes” the validity of the public debt. By increasing the risk of default, they contend, any debt ceiling automatically violates the public debt clause.

This argument goes too far. It would mean that any budget deficit, tax cut or spending increase could be attacked on constitutional grounds, because each of those actions slightly increases the probability of default. Moreover, the argument is self-defeating. If it were correct, the absence of a debt ceiling could likewise be attacked as unconstitutional — after all, the greater the nation’s debt, the greater the difficulty of repaying it, and the higher the probability of default.

Other proponents of a constitutional deus ex machina have offered a more modest interpretation of the public debt clause, under which only actual default (as opposed to any action that merely increases the risk of default) is impermissible. This interpretation makes more sense. But advocates of the constitutional solution err in their next step: arguing that, because default would be unconstitutional, President Obama may violate the statutory debt ceiling to prevent it.

The Constitution grants only Congress — not the president — the power “to borrow money on the credit of the United States.” Nothing in the 14th Amendment or in any other constitutional provision suggests that the president may usurp legislative power to prevent a violation of the Constitution. Moreover, it is well established that the president’s power drops to what Justice Robert H. Jackson called its “lowest ebb” when exercised against the express will of Congress.

Worse, the argument that the president may do whatever is necessary to avoid default has no logical stopping point. In theory, Congress could pay debts not only by borrowing more money, but also by exercising its powers to impose taxes, to coin money or to sell federal property. If the president could usurp the congressional power to borrow, what would stop him from taking over all these other powers, as well?

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Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:13am.

MESSNBC has no fact checkers at all. That is evident by all the BS they spew.

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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OVERHEARD in the msnbc green room..........

Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:35am.

"FACTS.... FACTS WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN FACTS".............(lol)

Liberals: No Morals, No Standards, NO Problem!
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the eyes of the Founders are upon us

Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:20am.

Our government is composed of three co-equal branches of government.

Where in the 14th amendment is there any indication the Executive Branch has the authority to do anything without consent from the other two?

For the Executive Branch to assume ultimate power for itself is a huge step towards tyranny.

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Just to clarify....

Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:32am.

The founders or our great nation had nothing to do with the 14th Amendment.It was adopted in 1868. BUT to answer the second part of your question, YOUR RIGHT NO WHERE does it say one branch can do something without at least one of the other two agreeing.

Liberals: No Morals, No Standards, NO Problem!
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yeah

Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 1:39pm.

I wasn't referring to the 14th amendment just to the fact of one branch of government assuming ultimate and arbitrary powers not assigned by the Constitution..

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Yep

Submitted by MOONSTRUCK on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:20am.

@ricklail. messnbc et al never ever have to fact check. They make up exactly what they know their moron followers want to hear and spew it on air. Hearing it to the dolts makes it real!!

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Ken, IMO ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:25am.

... they're focus-grouping the heck out of this gambit.

i.e., "Do you think the President should increase the debt ceiling to protect the government's unblemished credit rating even if it might be a narrow, technical violation of the Constitution?"

Sadly, it might work.

Its success would then depend on opposition having the nerve to challenge it while probably going against "public opinion." I'm not seeing a lot of nerve in DC right now.

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Credit Rating tied to Debt Ceiling?

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:28pm.

Tom, do you think the AAA rating of the United States is tied to increasing the debt ceiling, or is in jeopardy because of the amount of debt we are piling up?

I would think that the credit rating agencies would actually like it if the U.S. stopped issuing more debt and just stood by the timely payment of principal and interest on the existing debt outstanding.  It makes no sense to me that the rating agencies seem to be insisting that our congress passes some legislation that promises phony budget cuts over the next ten years and simultaneously raises the debt ceiling and allows us to spend more money and issue more debt.

I've come to believe that the rating agencies have become nothing but political entities.

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The answer

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 2:53pm.

Tom, do you think the AAA rating of the United States is tied to increasing the debt ceiling, or is in jeopardy because of the amount of debt we are piling up?

Answer: Yes. :-->

Seriously, it's far more the latter in the long-term, but increasing the ceiling is sadly necessary in the short-term -- but it should come loaded with conditions.

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14th amendment

Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:30am.

Furthermore, section 5, which closes out the amendment, states:

5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

I'm not sure why this is always being left out of the debate.

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Wow!

Submitted by Dave81 on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:33am.

If even Obama is adhering to the Constitution, you KNOW there's no getting around it!

----- "A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference." Thomas Jefferson
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What did you expect?

Submitted by John21 on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:36am.

There are two strikes in the title of your article.
1. MSNBC is an elitist far left DNC propaganda machine. They have given themselves the right not to require truth in any of their stories (they are the elite you know). MSNBC fact checker (assuming that they actually had one) no matter how strong and professional could not induce MSNBC to report anything that went against the liberal agenda. The idea of honestly reporting a story is beyond their mental capability.
2. Chuck Todd has never been more than a reader of the current DNC talking points. Mr Todd is a prime example of why the term “Talking Heads” is in the American lexicon (look the term up and the have Mr. Todd’s picture). The idea that Mr. Todd is capable of an independent thought or action is foolish. Can anyone point to a single story in Mr. Todd’s career ( Can being brain dead and not being a politician be a career ) that in fact was truthful and honest? I doubt it
Never expect truth or honesty from MSNBC and you will be much happier.

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they are DESPERATE!

Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:38am.

They need Obama to come riding out on a Huge black stallion his awesome pecs glistening with sweat as he saves the day...... (Cue all the Obama PRISON WIVES.... swoon here) They are reaching for straws... I think some in the GOP hope he tries it!

Liberals: No Morals, No Standards, NO Problem!
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Careful

Submitted by Dave81 on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 3:01pm.

If Chris Matthews reads that, he might...faint.

----- "A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference." Thomas Jefferson
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July 28 is the day that

Submitted by iamkev on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:52am.

July 28 is the day that Secretary of State William Seward issued a proclamation certifying without reservation that the Fourteenth Amendment was a part of the United States Constitution.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/jul28.html

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Yes, but the Constitution

Submitted by Ken Shepherd on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 4:19pm.

Yes, but the Constitution itself says an amendment take effect as soon as 3/4ths of the legislatures ratify it. What Seward did was pursuant to an 1818 law that required that the Secretary of State certify that 3/4ths had ratified and then order official notice of ratification published in newspapers:

See link:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=015/llsl015.db...


 

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Well, these ARE the same

Submitted by kbTexan on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:01pm.

Well, these ARE the same people who read "Congress shall make no law..." and immediately begin to argue that it means Congress CAN make a law...or that "...shall not be infringed" means Congress can pass regulations as they wish. For the left, the Constitution has no meaning except what they need it to mean at the time.

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And herein is what is authorized by law.

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:02pm.

CITE-
31 USC Sec. 3101 02/01/2010

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 31 - MONEY AND FINANCE
SUBTITLE III - FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT
CHAPTER 31 - PUBLIC DEBT
SUBCHAPTER I - BORROWING AUTHORITY

-HEAD-
Sec. 3101. Public debt limit

-STATUTE-
(a) In this section, the current redemption value of an
obligation issued on a discount basis and redeemable before
maturity at the option of its holder is deemed to be the face
amount of the obligation.
(b) The face amount of obligations issued under this chapter and
the face amount of obligations whose principal and interest are
guaranteed by the United States Government (except guaranteed
obligations held by the Secretary of the Treasury) may not be more
than $12,394,000,000,000, outstanding at one time
, subject to
changes periodically made in that amount as provided by law through
the congressional budget process described in Rule XLIX (!1) of the
Rules of the House of Representatives or otherwise.

 

You want to change it, you have to authorize another number by law.

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Mr. Todd is a talking head?

Submitted by Herbster on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 1:00pm.

Chuckie Todd is an echo chamber for the democrat party. If we are to discuss him in reference to being a "Talking HEAD," I am reminded of Arturo Toscannini's classic definition of a tenor. "A tenor is a man who has resonance where his brains ought to be." This definition applies today to many in the media.

Chuckie Todd is NOT a talking head.....he is a talking A _ _.

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I'd call Obama's bluff

Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 1:45pm.

Let him borrow money under his presumed-authority under the 14th Amendment, and then take sue his ass in Federal court.

Take on his deliberate non-compliance with the War Powers Act and Libya. To date, Obama has spent nearly $1 billion conducting a military operation which he not only insist is not combat, but has as an objective the assassination of a foreign leader, no matter how despicable Qaddafi is.

But of course he won't. In answering a question abuot invoking the 14th Amendment to circumvent the Congress, Obama said the he had consulted with "my lawyers" and concluded that it wasn't a "winning option." Note he didn't say that it was un-Constitutional, thereby created a image of a President who is showing restraint in trying to get the Congress to do its job. He probably also wanted to avoid admitting that he has no such authority under the 14th Amendment, which would indirectly point out the idiots in his own party (e.g. Boxer, Clyburn, Ellison) who don't read the Constitution.

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No, really...

Submitted by USMC8411 on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 2:02pm.

F Chuck Turd was not looking at the "old" Constitution! He was using the New and Improved, living version of the document!

It's a shame he doesn't have a little copy of it somewhere near him when writing such... such.... propaganda.

Hey F Chuck Turd, do an investigation of the first Amendment and tell me exactly where it states that God cannot exist in a public square.

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MSNBC+fact checking=

Submitted by russedav on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 2:32pm.

oxymoron

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If the president could usurp [fill in the blank]

Submitted by russedav on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 2:40pm.

what would stop him from taking over [fill in the blank] as well?
Answer: not a thing of this world, only God can save us now, as the Founders understood and warned.

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willful ignorance

Submitted by ohio granny on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 5:11pm.

democrats like to use the willful ignorance ploy whenever they think they can pull the wool over the peoples' eyes. I always love it when they are so easily proven wrong. one could be justified in thinking that they think the rest of us are as ignorant as they are. they always seem SOOO suprised when that is not true.

democrats = liars, cheats, crooks, and hypocrites. Bullies and thugs too.

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