Time's Jon Meacham Asks 'Is Hell Dead?'
In 1966, Time magazine's April 8 cover story famously asked "Is God Dead?"
Forty-five years later the magazine is still hard at work attempting to discredit traditional Christian faith, with former Newsweek writer Jon Meacham exploring the question "Is Hell Dead?"
Meacham doesn't answer the question definitively but used the raging controversy over Michigan pastor Rob Bell's new book "Love Wins" to argue that evangelical Christianity may be moving away from its tradition teachings on eternal conscious torment of the wicked in Hell towards a universalist view of salvation:
The standard Christian view of salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is summed up in the Gospel of John, which promises "eternal life" to "whosoever believeth in Him." Traditionally, the key is the acknowledgment that Jesus is the Son of God, who, in the words of the ancient creed, "for us and for our salvation came down from heaven ... and was made man." In the Evangelical ethos, one either accepts this and goes to heaven or refuses and goes to hell.
Bell, a tall, 40-year-old son of a Michigan federal judge, begs to differ. He suggests that the redemptive work of Jesus may be universal — meaning that, as his book's subtitle puts it, "every person who ever lived" could have a place in heaven, whatever that turns out to be. Such a simple premise, but with Easter at hand, this slim, lively book has ignited a new holy war in Christian circles and beyond.
"Ignited a new holy war"? I guess Meacham couldn't resist.
But what's got evangelicals issuing fatwas over Bell? Meacham makes the ultimate motivation seem one of market share for a "brand" of Christianity, not the eternal consequences of misleading folks with error-laden theology (emphasis mine):
Particularly galling to conservative Christian critics is that Love Wins is not an attack from outside the walls of the Evangelical city but a mutiny from within — a rebellion led by a charismatic, popular and savvy pastor with a following. Is Bell's Christianity — less judgmental, more fluid, open to questioning the most ancient of assumptions — on an inexorable rise? "I have long wondered if there is a massive shift coming in what it means to be a Christian," Bell says. "Something new is in the air."
Which is what has many traditional Evangelicals worried. Bell's book sheds light not only on enduring questions of theology and fate but also on a shift within American Christianity. More indie rock than "Rock of Ages," with its videos and comfort with irony (Bell sometimes seems an odd combination of Billy Graham and Conan O'Brien), his style of doctrine and worship is clearly playing a larger role in religious life, and the ferocity of the reaction suggests that he is a force to be reckoned with.
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Bell insists he is only raising the possibility that theological rigidity — and thus a faith of exclusion — is a dangerous thing. He believes in Jesus' atonement; he says he is just unclear on whether the redemption promised in Christian tradition is limited to those who meet the tests of the church. It is a case for living with mystery rather than demanding certitude.
From a traditionalist perspective, though, to take away hell is to leave the church without its most powerful sanction. If heaven, however defined, is everyone's ultimate destination in any event, then what's the incentive to confess Jesus as Lord in this life? If, in other words, Gandhi is in heaven, then why bother with accepting Christ? If you say the Bible doesn't really say what a lot of people have said it says, then where does that stop? If the verses about hell and judgment aren't literal, what about the ones on adultery, say, or homosexuality? Taken to their logical conclusions, such questions could undermine much of conservative Christianity.
"A case for living with mystery rather than demanding certitude"? Meacham, an Episcopalian has to know better than offer readers such a false dichotomy between traditional Christianity and Bell's postmodernism.
After all, orthodox Christian doctrines like predestination, the Trinity, and the incarnation are accepted by millions of Christians but never fully grasped by them.
Shortly after this passage, Meacham made another odd assertion (emphasis mine):
[T]he dominant view of the righteous in heaven and the damned in hell owes more to the artistic legacy of the West, from Michelangelo to Dante to Blake, than it does to history or to unambiguous biblical teaching.
Really? Sure, popular imagination of heaven and hell owe a lot to the imagination of artists that may be divorced from strict application of the biblical text, but does that really govern how the church has taught about Heaven and Hell? I don't remember any pastor of mine reading Dante or Blake or using a PowerPoint of paintings when preaching about Hell.
Meacham then added that "[n]either pagan nor Jewish tradition offered a truly equivalent vision of a place of eternal torment."
I'm no expert on either pagan nor Jewish tradition, but there's at least one reference to eternal punishment of the wicked in the Old Testament from the book of Daniel in the 12th chapter:
At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.
Eternal glory of the righteous, eternal shame and contempt for the wicked. Sounds like heaven and hell to me.
Closing his piece, Meacham noted that religion "also kills," citing the riots in Afghanistan that broke out allegedly in response to a Florida pastor's burning of the Koran. Meacham gave Bell the last word and a plug for Bell's Palm Sunday sermon:
Bell knows the arguments and appreciates the frustrations. "I don't know anyone who hasn't said, 'Let's turn out the lights and say we gave it a shot,'" he says. "But you can't — I can't — get away from what this Jesus was, and is, saying to us. What the book tries to do is park itself right in the midst of the tension with a Jesus who offers an urgent and immediate call — 'Repent! Be transformed! Turn!' At the same time, I've got other sheep. There's a renewal of all things. There's water from the rock. People will come from the East and from the West. The scandal of the gospel is Jesus' radical, healing love for a world that's broken."
Fair enough, but let's be honest: religion heals, but it also kills. Why support a supernatural belief system that, for instance, contributed to that minister in Florida's burning of a Koran, which led to the deaths of innocent U.N. workers in Afghanistan?
"I think Jesus shares your critique," Bell replies. "We don't burn other people's books. I think Jesus is fairly pissed off about it as well."
On Sunday, April 17, at Mars Hill, Bell will be joined by singer-songwriter Brie Stoner (who provided some of the music for his Nooma series) and will teach the first 13 verses of the third chapter of Revelation, which speaks of "the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God ... Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches." The precise meaning of the words is open to different interpretations. But this much is clear: Rob Bell has much to say, and many are listening.
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No literal Hell, huh Rob?
Submitted by Lord-come-soon-... on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:37pm.
That makes Jesus a liar. Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:29, Matthew 5:30, Matthew 10:28, Matthew 11:23, Matthew 16:18, Matthew 18:9, Matthew 23:15, Matthew 23:33, Mark 9:43, Mark 9:45, Mark 9:47, Luke 10:15, Luke 12:5, Luke 16:23.
Rob Bell talks out of both sides of his mouth. Jesus died for our sins, but there's no need for repentance of those sins, because in the end, everyone is already saved. So what was the point of the crucifixion? Rob Bell is every bit as dangerous as Oprah Winfrey, Joel Osteen or any other universalist out there.
I Can't See Hell But I Am Smelling It
Submitted by Avitar on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:39pm.
Obama and the Democrats over the last four years have taken us down the road to hell. There is no question that much of the media, the Progressive Caucus and the Obama Whitehouse are all giong to hell.
Nothing to fear... no worries!
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:40pm.
Nothing to fear... no worries! Do as you wish! Wishful thinking does not make it so however. The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God. Very insightful if you think about it. However, ideally, God wants us to do His will out of thankfulness, and for our own protection, but there is a real threat of hell per the Bible. That also gives some motivation to do right! What do you think Dad's are for if your a kid? To protect you & steer you right. NOT to let you get your way with fatal results both physical & spiritual.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Hell is quite alive any time
Submitted by jkwtrading on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:44pm.
Hell is quite alive any time I have to be near a liberal..
Narcissism
Submitted by UltraC on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:45pm.
The notion of a guaranteed place in Heaven dovetails quite nicely with the old mantra of "If it feels good, do it."
Time and again, we see the media and many narcissists insist on Christianity conforming to their world-view and their personal set of morals and values. It must terrify them to consider the possibility of being judged by an incorruptible higher power.
And isn't it interesting
Submitted by Lord-come-soon-... on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 1:53pm.
how lovingly the secular christian-bashing media is embracing Rob Bell's book? That ought to tell you a lot about the content.
Hell will always exist
Submitted by The Irishman on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:07pm.
As long as people continue to wish ill on others.
No kidding?
Submitted by Lord-come-soon-... on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:16pm.
So, if we all just started loving one another hell would disappear? Rob and Oprah have hooked another one.
Ever been to hell?
Submitted by The Irishman on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 3:30pm.
And if so, how did you make it back? Hell doesn't matter as long as it continues to live within the human psyche.
You're missing the point, friend.
Submitted by Lord-come-soon-... on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 3:49pm.
I don't have to go to hell to know it exists. God says it exists, and that's good enough for me. I would also like to invite you to avoid finding out first hand about the existence of a literal hell by surrendering your life to Christ. It's the best decision you'll ever make in your life.
Well said.
Submitted by NC Cop on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 4:02pm.
Well said.
Hell no!
Submitted by russedav on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:12pm.
Such tragic dimwits get away with spouting this trash because most today are illiterate, some even cleverly exploiting the gamed system to chair college English departments, the blind leading the blind into a ditch, exemplified in the white house 0, the summit of all our learning who mindlessly wants to toss defenseless babies surviving abortion into dirty utility closets until they die, the same old party of slavery promotion and civil rights prevention.
Our Founders founded this Christian nation (Rector, etc, of Holy Trinity Church v. U S, 143 U.S. 457 (1892) (in days gone by when the SCOTUS actually yielded (shock!) to the Trinity!;), before they finally outlawed Him)) on God's Word, the Bible, and one of their first acts was to order the printing of Bibles for the new nation, long before anyone was insane enough to buy the twisted lies of the deranged, lawless, fascist, treasonous antiChristian bigotry of the 20th century and ultimately Warren & co SCOTUS, rewriting history to pretend to outlaw the Bible and Christianity to conform to their diseased ravings now carried on by the lunatic Kennedy-swinger SCOTUS, exemplified in deranged fascist Romer v Evans & Lawrence v TX. Sadly, even if in power we know the spineless GOP won't impeach and convict the five dangerous SCOTUS criminals (Kennedy, Kagan, Sottomayor, Ginsburg & Breyer) endangering our republic, since most of them are little different.
Just because another preacher
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:23pm.
Just because another preacher wanders away from sound, Biblical doctrine does not mean the whole of orthodox Christianity has suddenly changed with him, Mr. Meacham. Your non sequitur reasoning pretty much invalidates much of your article.
To Be Expected
Submitted by justbob223 on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 2:43pm.
Rob Bell and others like him were long ago predicted in Scripture - II Timothy 4:3-4.
Here's what William Booth said
Submitted by Lord-come-soon-... on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 3:09pm.
about 100 years ago:
"Consider that the chief dangers which confront the coming century will be religion without the Holy Ghost, Christianity without Christ, forgiveness without repentance, salvation without regeneration, and heaven without hell."
Hell
Submitted by Penfire on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 3:15pm.
It depends on whether you believe the Bible is God's Word and that it is the authority over what Christians believe or whether you believe you can change it to suit your own taste (preach to those who have "itching ears", ready to hear something besides the truth.
Jesus talked more abour Hell than He did abput heaven. Maybe that means there are more in danger of going to Hell than Heaven. As a matter of fact, He also said, "...narrow is the Way that leads to life but broad is the way that leads to destruction and many there be that enter that way...". Jesus talked a lot about "...those who have ears to hear let them hear...". In other words, if you are listening with spiritual ears, ready to be taught of God, by the Holy Spirit who has breathed these Words, then you will have the true understanding; otherwise, you will not understand what He is saying...".
Hell
Submitted by Penfire on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 3:18pm.
Just turn on any major news channel or read any major newspaper and your are sure to find plenty about hell. There would be no justice in the world if there was not the prospect of Hell to keep your mind on the Only One Who can keep you from going there.
NO Hell? No Heaven. No right
Submitted by bassndude on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 3:22pm.
NO Hell? No Heaven. No right or wrong. Jesus lied and so has God lied to us? This view would render my favorite book, the Bible, not only fiction, but fantasy.
The whole thing reeks of anti-religion zealots.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
The idea that truth....
Submitted by Forbus on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 3:46pm.
is somehow a flexible, evolving thing is right in line with what the Bible tells us of the Church in the latter days. Laodicea is alive and well. Pump up people's self-esteem, don't preach the Cross or the Blood or sin or Hell, give credence to the thought that everyone has their own truth....play to the flesh...make everyone feel good...ease their way straight into Hell. God said he will spew this so-called Church out of his mouth.
Well, at least they'll have
Submitted by Moosebuster on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 5:05pm.
Well, at least they'll have something to read on their way to hell...
With all do respect
Submitted by sam12663 on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 6:42pm.
to Evangelicals, part of the reason people are turning away from the Evangelical movement is it lacks structure and purpose. In my opinion, Evangelicals tend to not like the structure of traditional religions, hence the need to open up new congregations and create rules to suit their desires.
Evangelicalism is akin to liberalism; you don't like traditional rules and values, create a new sect and new rules. Its rather childish if you ask me.
"part of the reason people
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 9:51am.
"part of the reason people are turning away from the Evangelical movement is it lacks structure and purpose"
I beg to differ since the traditional Evangelical movement does, in fact, have structure and purpose. I don't know where you got the idea that it doesn't.
Given that we are descending into it very rapidly as a nation...
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 7:18pm.
...I would say Hell is very much alive.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I can tell you from first
Submitted by okie-pastor on Thu, 04/14/2011 - 11:07pm.
I can tell you from first hand experience. There couldn't be a more false statement than "ignited a new holy war"
Pastor friends that I talk with in our sectional meetings realize that there is always an effort to discredit our Christian
Faith! And articles, documentaries, reports, etc. that present christianity with incredulity are magnified around Easter.
(BRING IT ON!)
It seems to be wishful thinking on the part of liberal journalists. Lol
As for the hell issue. "is hell dead". It is for me. Because I am a Christian!!
So true
Submitted by Lord-come-soon-... on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 12:14am.
Every year, the liberal left trot out the "Jesus Seminar" and heretics like Rob Bell in an attempt to discredit Bible based Christianity. It won't work, as you rightly stated. Keep up the good work, pastor!
Thanks, buddy
Submitted by okie-pastor on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 10:26am.
Thanks, buddy
A quote from C.S. Lewis
Submitted by panzerakc on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 1:00am.
from his "The Problem if Pain"
"We can understand Hell in its aspect of privation. All your life an unattainable ecstasy has hovered just beyond the grasp of your consciousness.The day is coming when you will wake to find beyond all hope. that you have attained it, or else. that it was within your reach and you have lost it forever."
My own feeling on the subject is that Hell will be the absolute knowledge of God and of the depth of his love for
us coupled with the loss of that love forever.
A pastor friend used this analogy. He said a person who goes to Hell has spent his or her entire life saying to God, "Go away". And at the end of that life, God finally, sadly, says, "All right, I will."
Yep exactly right: "a person
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 1:08pm.
Yep exactly right: "a person who goes to Hell has spent his or her entire life saying to God, "Go away". And at the end of that life, God finally, sadly, says, "All right, I will.""
We are MADE by God to be WITH God in Spirit here on Earth (and after). That is why people who choose to separate themselves from God seek unsuccessfully to find meaning and happiness by other means. Yet, are not happy no matter how much money, or freedom, or (excessive) partying, or....
From these TV shows, it appears drugs can make addicts very happy for a while. But I don't think they would personally consider themselves happy and fulfilled. Particularly when many OD themselves on purpose. How's that hope (don't have to work, get cable TV & still get fed by government) & change (do whatever feels good) self indulgent behavior working out?
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.