If the right to an abortion is really about about a woman's choice, then it logically follows that a fully-informed choice is a proper concern for public policy makers on the state level.
But don't tell that to pro-choice liberal journalist Bonnie Erbe. The US News & World Report contributing editor unleashed her fury at "Antiabortion Fanatics' New Invasive Attack: The Forced Ultrasound" in a February 12 blog post.
Oozing contempt from every pore, the PBS "To the Contrary" host slammed as "fanatics" conservative lawmakers in 11 states who "are considering bills that would offer or require ultrasounds before a woman gets an abortion."
Erbe insisted she was not mad at "average, conservative, pro-life voters," but those average joes are the very folks who elect the state legislators considering these laws. Indeed, it is often "average" pro-life conservatives who run for and win state legislative seats only to face fierce, well-organized and well-financed opposition to abortion reduction measures by radical pro-choice lobbies.
Of course, a mandatory ultrasound in and of itself doesn't stop an abortion, but it drives home the moral weight of the act of abortion, such that it may lead some women to forsake an abortion procedure. To be sure, many women still undergo abortions even after viewing ultrasounds.
So what's Erbe's real beef? The PBS "To the Contrary" host worries that it's another speed bump on the road to abortion-on-demand:
To require them to have an ultrasound prior to an abortion is the most invasive type of moralistic lecture imaginable. Some state laws would even require poor women to pay for them, which would put the cost of abortion beyond their meager reach.
The überright has already succeeded in throwing so many obstacles in the path of women trying to end unwanted pregnancies: 24-hour waiting periods, parental consent laws, and so on. Required ultrasounds are a step too far. "Offered" ultrasounds are insulting, too. In my humble opinion, both are completely unconstitutional.
Read my lips: Elections have consequences. You lost. Go away.
Erbe photo via PBS "To the Contrary" Web site.
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Of course the pro-aborts hate this
February 18, 2009 - 13:44 ET by Prester JohnMy wife is a sonogram tech and continually mentions how even well educated husbands and wives are amazed when they see what is inside the womb.
Oh, and who wouldn't bet that the same people who are demanding that young girls be given the cervical cancer vaccine want nothing to do with showing women the truth about their unborn children?
More abortions, more money in their pockets.
Fewer abortions, less money in their pockets.
Simple.
I Was one of those Amazed
February 18, 2009 - 18:50 ET by deerjerkydaveWhen my wife was pregnant with our first child I was amazed to see the ultrasound. I was used to seeing still, lifeless images of a fetus from textbooks. The ultrasound showed our son very much alive and on the move. He was moving around so much I thought he was going to hurt himself!
I would take this one step further. Anybody who wants an abortion has to see the procedure done in a video so they can be fully informed of their choice. My brother saw a video of an abortion which included footage of the baby in the womb. The poor little guy fought the vacuum but eventually was sucked out of the womb, a human sacrifice to the gods of convenience.
It is sickening to think as a society we actually accept such a practice. The courts have shoved abortion down our throats just as they are trying to do with gay marriage.
djd.... Your second
February 18, 2009 - 19:03 ET by bigtimerdjd....
Your second paragraph brought tears to my eyes.
Breaks my heart what this country has become.
Gee, I guess they don't want to see the head and the hands
February 18, 2009 - 13:44 ET by c5thenI'm more in the North Dakota camp. They are close to passing a bill that gives legal "person" status to a fertalized egg, with all the rights and privileges and protections that go with it.
Read about it here.
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
How is that invasive?
February 18, 2009 - 13:45 ET by CobraMan"To require them to have an ultrasound prior to an abortion is the most invasive type of moralistic lecture imaginable."
How is that invasive? An ultrasound examination is no more invasive than an x-ray and far less invasive than having your temp taken. know as I have had several of both many times over the last several years due to my Crohn's.
Spreading your legs so a doctor can reaching inside you and rip out a living human being is invasive, is it not? Having an ultrasound scan taken before that invasive abortion is actually a wise idea as it may detect a uterine abnormality that might interfere with the abortion procedure and may cause internal injuries that can kill the woman.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Typical Hypocrites
February 18, 2009 - 13:49 ET by AnastasAnything to avoid getting attached to the child before they kill it. It's all about them. As long as they don't feel guilty, abortion will be a form of birth control.
You know, a few weeks ago, there were some pupies that were found in a dumpster. Everyone was outraged and demanded that they find the person responsible. But when a child is treated the same way . . .
Last week, a baby was born before they conducted the abortion and the nurse placed it into a bag and let it die on a table. No outrage. But recently, a law suit has been filed. Hopefully we turned a corner.
to face your accuser
February 18, 2009 - 16:29 ET by m1xramThere you go, that's all there is to it. Why would a murderer wish to face an innocent victum? It's so much easier their way.
They would kill us for speaking against them if it was convenient.
Somebody buy that broad a
February 18, 2009 - 13:45 ET by HockeyKidSomebody buy that broad a dictionary. If she thinks an ultrasound is "invasive" but an abortion isn't, she clearly doesn't have better than a third-grade education.
Either that, or she's a murderous, money-grubbing ghoul.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Question
February 18, 2009 - 13:54 ET by Noel SheppardNBers,
Question: is there a medical or health-related reason for doing an ultrasound before getting an abortion?
Forgetting the moral issues for a second, it seems to me that an ultrasound might be necessary to identify possible complications -- for example, an ectopic pregnancy -- before an abortion is performed.
Is this the reason why some states require the ultrasound, or is it solely to prove to the pregnant mother that there is indeed life inside of her? ns
Actually some states require ultrasound...
February 18, 2009 - 14:17 ET by Prester John.....to see if the child is too far along to abort.
Noel
February 18, 2009 - 14:03 ET by sherylsimsAn ectopic pregnancy would only be fatal to the baby (Who hasn't got great odds at that point anyway). But left undiagnosed it could cause the mother to be unable to conceive again (Which might not be that bad an idea)
But no, I don't think an ultrasound would be medically necessary. Most women never had one. Nowadays they are given with every pregnancy.
Actually, an ectopic
February 18, 2009 - 14:19 ET by moderncommentaries83Actually, an ectopic pregnancy can be fatal to the mother, as the fallopian tube can rupture and cause massive internal bleeding.
But most ultrasounds focus on the uterus, not the fallopian tubes (where most ectopic pregnancies occur), pre-abortion ultrasounds often miss ectopic pregnancies, perform an "abortion" on a baby that's not really there, and cause great harm to the mother (even death). You know, because abortionists are all about protecting women.
Also, if caught early enough, an ecoptic embryo can be moved to the uterus to give the baby a chance to grow.
Ultrasounds before abortion not only help estimate the age of the baby, but it gives women the ability to make fully informed choices.
No one is stopping them from having an abortion after an ultrasound, but most women (somewhere like 70-80%) decide not to have an abortion after seeing images of their unborn child.
All you need to know about why the abortion lobby opposes ultrasounds was summed up by Harrison Hickman in a speech to NARAL back in 1989:
Ultrasounds humanize a child - something the abortion lobby fought for years (you know, "blob of tissue" and all that). Now they need to reframe their argument in order to make people not care about or ignore the humanity.
Fighting ultrasound laws does that.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
mc83... You have said all
February 18, 2009 - 14:33 ET by bigtimermc83...
You have said all here for me.
You also bought back the memory of Hickman, NARAL and how upset they have been regarding the ultra-sounds for the very reasons you have stated.
Follow the $$$$ trail
February 19, 2009 - 13:48 ET by Southern voterWe will see a greater reduction of abortions not only with improved technology such as ultra sounds but also as people learn about the large amounts of money being made off the murdering of our most helpless and defenseless little ones ...when we ask what is actually done with the bodies of these full trem babies aborted during a partial birth abortion....WHO benefits from the parts of these babies ...who are they sold to ? as long as the media can focus on 'a womens right to choose' ....rights ...choices.....how many people are really ready to focus of the $$$$$ made from these murders....
Modern....And Planned
February 19, 2009 - 14:07 ET by celatorModern....And Planned Parenthood is not a bit pleased about having easily available ultrasound technology for their abortion candidates...for all the reasons you cite...see this as an example:
http://www.illinoisr...
Modern....And Planned
February 19, 2009 - 14:07 ET by celatorModern....And Planned Parenthood is not a bit pleased about having easily available ultrasound technology for their abortion candidates...for all the reasons you cite...see this as an example:
http://www.illinoisr...
Modern....And Planned
February 19, 2009 - 14:08 ET by celatorModern....And Planned Parenthood is not a bit pleased about having easily available ultrasound technology for their abortion candidates...for all the reasons you cite...see this as an example:
http://www.illinoisr...
Modern....And Planned
February 19, 2009 - 14:09 ET by celatorModern....And Planned Parenthood is not a bit pleased about having easily available ultrasound technology for their abortion candidates...for all the reasons you cite...see this as an example:
http://www.illinoisr...
Modern....And Planned
February 19, 2009 - 14:12 ET by celatorModern....And Planned Parenthood is not a bit pleased about having easily available ultrasound technology for their abortion candidates...for all the reasons you cite...see this as an example:
http://www.illinoisr...
Infant mortalty and delivery death
February 18, 2009 - 14:54 ET by CobraMan"Most women never had one. Nowadays they are given with every pregnancy."
Before the invention of non-invasive exam methods like Ultrasound, the mortality rates of unborn children were incredibly high, as was the rates of mothers dying during delivery. This is why exams like Ultrasound were developed and is encouraged for ALL pregnant women, to detect any possible risks to the lives of both the mother and the baby so that doctor can take the precautions necessary to prevent these unnecessary deaths from occurring.
So, yes, an ultrasound IS medically necessary for every pregnant woman, even for those women who are planning on having an abortion. Women have DIED during an abortion, you know
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
~Birthing
February 18, 2009 - 15:05 ET by choselife3xThere were many reasons for high mortality rates. The biggest was the lack of understanding about germs and proper hygiene. Doctors would go from dissecting bodies to poking around a woman's uterus without stopping to wash. When she developed an infection and died they called it 'childbed fever'. Also, the wearing of corsets from the mid-teens through the beginning of pregnancy caused severe internal problems. (organ shifting)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I realize that
February 18, 2009 - 15:14 ET by CobraManI realize that, but birthing deaths occured LONG before doctors were "poking around a woman's uterus without stopping to wash" as most births occurred at home, via midwives. Hemorrhaging was the biggest cause of the mother''s death during delivery. Infections wouldn't kill a mother until AFTER the baby had been born.
As for the baby itself, the greatest cause of birth death was due to "cord strangulation' where the umbilical cord would be pinched during, or before, deliver and the baby's blood supply was restricted or stopped completely and that child would die of asphyxiation, a lack of oxygen to the brain. An ultrasound would detect if that cord wasn't developing correctly or was in a position as to endanger the child long before the mother even went into labor.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Of course there are sound medical reasons for an ultrasound.
February 18, 2009 - 14:12 ET by c5thenWould anyone think of having abdominal surgery without first getting an MRI or CAT scan or at least a "scope procedure"? Would anyone allow a surgeon to atempt to fix their knee joint if they had not gotten an MRI or a CAT scan?
But then these are all examples of necessary and real medical proceedures. Abortion is all about post-conception birth control. It is not necessary in all but a few hundred cases per year and even in those a pre-mature delivery is the way to save both the mother and the baby.
Remember that the test proceedures developed before invasive proceedures are there to A) help prevent the invasive proceedure if possible and B) to increase the chance of a positive outcome if the invasive proceedure is needed. Since the result of an abortion is the purposfull death of one of the patients, I think this is the exact right approach. Anything that can result in fewer abortions is worth taking the time to do.
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
Yes
February 18, 2009 - 14:27 ET by CobraMan"Question: is there a medical or health-related reason for doing an ultrasound before getting an abortion?"
Yes, as I stated above. An ultrasound can reveal abnormalities in a woman's uterus, abnormalities that couldn't be detected by a visual exam. I would no more let a doctor perform an abortion on me without at least an ultrasound exam of my uterus than I would let my surgeon remove most of my colon (which actually happened) without first undergoing a colonoscaphy (actually, I had several), followed by several CAT scans, with and without contrast, several MRI's, once again with and without contrast, and at least one ultrasound.
I had all of those exams done before my surgeon even discussed the options available, like surgery and what the risk would be, let alone cut me open and removed tissue. This was so that the doctor could treat me without adding additional risk, risks that isn't apparent without a full, complete series of alternative exam methods like an ultrasound.
Since all abortion supporters insist that an abortion is really a medical procedure that removes excess tissue, it would make sense that a doctor perform the same types of exams that they perform for ANY invasive medical procedure. Since most abortion doctors are omitting this necessary exam, perhaps it is necessary to introduce legislation that requires this exam prior to performing an invasive medical procedure like abortion.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
~Removes excess tissue, huh?
February 18, 2009 - 14:33 ET by choselife3xI wonder how they'd feel if I removed some of THEIR excess tissue?!
What a bunch of sickos.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Frontal Lobes
February 18, 2009 - 14:38 ET by CobraManJust make sure to remove their Frontal Lobes. They don't use them anyways, so why keep it around? You just may save some of them from suffering brain cancer in the future. Just call it a "quality of life issue." That how they justify most abortions, so they can't make any complaints.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Noel
February 18, 2009 - 14:48 ET by Gary HallI'm going to suggest, as a reference for perspective, that "states" do not even require ultrasounds to be performed for normal pregnacies. Many do require that insurance companies pay for the proceedures as a min standard of care when performed.
Generally, the doctor simply goes in and looks around - so to speak. In the early stage in the pregnacy it would be very difficult to even locate the fetus with a regular ultrasound - hence the need here for a trans-vaginal ultra sound. An ultrasound would not be ordered unless we were talking a combination of later term and/or some medical concern. I think that answers the last question. gary
Have you ever had an ultrasound?
February 18, 2009 - 15:05 ET by CobraManHave you ever had an ultrasound? You would be surprised at the detail those exams produce. I've seen individual blood vessels that would be barely detectable by a visual exam show up in great detail on my ultrasound. It was amazing at how well they produce a detailed image. They can even zoom into a particular area and scan it at high magnification!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
When my kids were born
February 18, 2009 - 15:44 ET by ricklailWhen my kids were born they didn't have the technology. I've seen the ones from my grandkids, They are pretty detailed. They did one on my heart. It was detailed. I was amazed to find I had a heart because the left thinks those of us on the right are heartless.
When I was welding they used to do ultrasounds on our welds. Main reason for that was to get a baseline to tell later on if there was wear in the pipe or the weld.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. RWR
It was cool!
February 18, 2009 - 16:33 ET by CobraMan"They did one on my heart."
I had an echo cardiograph just two weeks ago. Talk about cool! I could actually SEE the individual blood cells moving through my heart, and I could watch the valves opening and closing with each heartbeat. I missed most of it because the screen was to my back for most of the procedure, but, man, I was enthralled with what I could see.
Of course I'm the type of guy who actually has a copy of the CAT scan images they took of my colon prior to my surgery. For some reason, I can't get anyone else interested in seeing them. Not even my wife will look at them!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
What are they afraid of?
February 18, 2009 - 14:13 ET by RpeggioWhat are they afraid of? They think the 'fetus' isn't a baby in the making and is worthless anyway, so let the expecting mother see the ultrasound before they kill it? Ridiculous. And yes, they do the ultrasound for medical reasons, to calculate the actual age of the fetus and ensure an abortion is legal and safe at that point. With Obama as President, we can expect looser abortion law and more abortions....they had been declining this past decade, I betcha they start to increase unfortunately.
Don't want to do it because it will work.
February 18, 2009 - 14:18 ET by dvdaughtryI would bet $100 that abortions would be cut in half (at least) if the woman were required to see an ultrasound.
Nothing like seeing arms, legs, fingers, chambers of the heart, brain (beating mind you), skull, and even facial structure to prove its a life in there, and not a consequence.
(PS I have a fairly fresh passion for this as I saw my daughter, our first, for the first time 3 weeks ago today--via ultrasound)
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Congratulations
February 18, 2009 - 14:26 ET by general companyHope yours bring as much joy as mine have!!
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
~dvdaughtry
February 18, 2009 - 14:26 ET by choselife3xSparks a whole new level of outrage in you, doesn't it? To see her nestled in there and imagine some monster reaching in there to harm her.
Nothing like being a new parent to make you hate abortion with a fervent passion.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Hey Ken. Erbe said..
February 18, 2009 - 14:21 ET by Gary HallHey Ken. Erbe said.. "No woman seeking an abortion does so unthinkingly. Few, if any, women use abortion as birth control, although the religious right would have us believe otherwise."
Wasn't Teresa Heinz-Kerry caught claiming something along the lines of.. 'many women (or, too many women) use abortion as a form of birth control?' Naturally - her statement during the 2004 presidental race did not receive much attention in the MSM - "shh silence that, folks."
If so - then, would Erbe consider her a fanatic?
thanks, (;~> gary
this is what PBS spawns, folks...
February 18, 2009 - 14:31 ET by SickofLibs...your tax dollars at work.
This b*tch is a rabid dog. Merely offering an ultrasound is 'insulting'?
Is birth control and common sense also beyond the meager reach of these (irresponsible) 'poor women'?
She thinks they are entitled to multiple, state-funded, on-demand abortions? Fine, but on Number 2 they get 'accidentally' sterilized. Oops, sorry.
And she's moaning about parental consent laws? So she'd be OK if her 13-year old daughter had an abortion behind her back. You can dress up a rabid b*tch and give it a column, but it's still a rabid b*tch.
Hmmm...
February 18, 2009 - 14:49 ET by mizflame98Antiabortion Fanatics' New Invasive Attack: the Forced Ultrasound
As opposed to that old invasive attack of shop vacing your unborn child from your uterus? Yeah, the far right nutjobs are going to far in trying to prevent that by having a woman see who she is murdering. How dare they?!
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
As stupid....
February 18, 2009 - 14:59 ET by notinstl....as her description sounds....I would like to point something out: We don't want the democrat party taking over our healthcare. Besides downgrading it while making it more costly, it would also insert government into the process. Likewise, the government should NOT be in the business of dictating the procedures in this instance either...can't have it both ways. I can't wait for the 2010 elections (hope we don't become france before then), but this is a waste of time and energy and doesn NOT address the problem.
From the photo it looks
February 18, 2009 - 15:56 ET by SlicksterFrom the photo it looks like she will never have to worry about getting pregnant.
She has "damaged goods"
February 18, 2009 - 17:56 ET by Roger the ShrubberShe has "damaged goods" written all over her.
The We Won Fallacy
February 18, 2009 - 16:25 ET by KC MulvilleErbe: "Read my lips: Elections have consequences. You lost. Go away."
Erbe...scumbag bitch on wheels
February 18, 2009 - 17:36 ET by The Real TonyHere's the drill shrew.....if you want to have an abortion...go have one...by why the hell should my tax dollars go to fund it???
Get the sperm-donor to pay for it, pay for it yourself, or have the baby and then give it up for adoption.
The part about the abortion issue that annoys me most is we have stopped talking about why tax dollars are being used for it. That's what we have to stop FIRST!! Stop funding it and it will decrease markedly.
Trying to get some of these women to see the light that their liberal-sponsored morality has gotten them into trouble is like trying to look at Nancy Pelosi without vomiting. It ain't gonna happen.
As far as I'm concerned, if they are willing to pay for it, then let them abort (kill) their child. There is a certain ring in HELL awaiting them or at the very least, they can explain it to their Maker when their time comes.
Stop paying for it with my money!!!
Fight Terrorism at home - defeat a liberal!
TRT... I Second every
February 18, 2009 - 17:41 ET by bigtimerTRT...
I Second every single word in your post!
Well said...very well said.
SCREENCAP
February 18, 2009 - 18:41 ET by the strugglerWhy is it not legal to stab people
Erbe is disingenuous
February 18, 2009 - 19:53 ET by nkviking75To require them to have an ultrasound prior to an abortion is the most invasive type of moralistic lecture imaginable. Some state laws would even require poor women to pay for them, which would put the cost of abortion beyond their meager reach.
First, there's nothing "invasive" about an ultrasound. Second, more abortions will be performed if women are kept ignorant about all of the ramifications of what they're doing.
Thirdly, abortion is almost the only "civil right" in which the government is expected to pay if the poor can't afford one. (The other that comes to mind is the right to an attorney.) By the same logic, the government should protect my freedom of religion by building me a church, or my freedom of the press by buying me a printing press or a transmitter, or freedom of speech by renting me an auditorium.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Erbe is an Advocate for Murder
February 18, 2009 - 20:20 ET by RogerCfromSDErbe can calll us anything she wants. It won't change the fact that she is an advocate of infanticide and is a Grade A idiot, to boot.
A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.
Duh!
February 18, 2009 - 20:59 ET by JillCWI had ultrrasounds when I was pregnant with both my children. The first was done because I was spotting and the doctor wanted to make sure everything was okay. My son was fine. The second, with my daughter, was even more awesome because I was near the end of the pregnancy. That ultrasound was performed along with an invasive procedure called amniocentecis. The doctors wanted to know if her lungs were mature because I was threatening to deliver early. The ultrasound helped the doctor, me, and my daughter safely through the procedure.
As for this lunatic woman and her sick statements, the only thing ultrasounds might invade is the heart of the woman who might become attached (as if she isn't already) to what THEY call a fetus. When I was a child, everyone called an unborn child a baby. Then THEY started calling it a fetus, and successfully dehumanized the baby (though the word means "an unborn child").
This woman is as disgraceful and insane (not to mention spiritually dead) as the many "components" of the left. Sorry folks, but if they can dehumanize a baby developing in the womb, let's just refer to liberals as "excessive societal components" (ESC) that warp the truth, spit in God's face, and clog up the works.
Planned Parenthood is not a
February 19, 2009 - 14:35 ET by celatorPlanned Parenthood is not a bit pleased about having
easily available ultrasound technology for their abortion
candidates...for all the reasons others have cited here...see this as an example:
http://www.illinoisr...